Re: OpenMoko and accessories design
These sound like fun! Is there any way to get a higher-bandwidth connection out of the OM than USB? Say if we wanted to double-output the video signal or whatever. On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 2:32 PM, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's really very simple. Someone hack one together, take pictures, and describe it on a wiki page. As Andy says, once we chickens find our heads we can consider whether to turn these into products or not. Michael Andy Green wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: That is a nice idea, would like to have an accessory like that to make my neo into a camera, when I need it... It is a nice idea. The Y cable is a nice idea too. But (it's just my personal take) the problem with loading up any new things on this product right now is - we didn't sell any yet :-) - everyone is running around in headless chicken mode trying to finalize production, their brains are not configured for new tasks right now I think the way forward is to prototype these ideas on a GTA02 and document it and what it does, where it is useful, then after the current storm dies down it is accessible to explain what the idea is to the people that can yea or nay it. For these external USB accessories, it is exactly the kind of thing users can hack on, including the kernel side if needed (although USB device support in Linux can already be adequate for many tasks). If a couple of folks did it and are going on about how much it rocked and to show what they achieved this speaks very loudly. I started prototyping the Y cable, but of course the wiring for a mini USB cable does not include ID normally :-/ Later I will edit the cable of one of the chargers I have here to do it that way. Really I think this kind of user-driven Wah! We could do THIS!!! is great and it is exactly the idea of the product, but unlike a closed product we really CAN do it without petitioning the company, and within reason I'm pretty sure supporting this kind of hacking endeavour from my side is part of my job description. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFH2PRVOjLpvpq7dMoRAv2UAJkBwbnmzZjjs8H8kWfBvZaLFtC/2wCeJRgY hxMic6U/rxMSLPXgmCvuznk= =AO8g -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- H. Lally Singh Ph.D. Candidate, Computer Science Virginia Tech ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko and accessories design
Lally Singh wrote: These sound like fun! Is there any way to get a higher-bandwidth connection out of the OM than USB? Say if we wanted to double-output the video signal or whatever. Remember it is a phone, not a star trek pad :) Freerunner is projected to have an Usb2 port and I think it is good enough to use with a cam, or to plug a pendrive or an USB HD. This is the advantage to use open standard :) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 9:04 AM, Michele Renda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Freerunner is projected to have an Usb2 port and I think it is good enough to use with a cam, or to plug a pendrive or an USB HD. I don't think its usb2... at least the wiki mentions usb1.1 everywhere. Can you check your source? Ivo ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Am So 16. März 2008 schrieb Ivo Anjo: On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 9:04 AM, Michele Renda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Freerunner is projected to have an Usb2 port and I think it is good enough to use with a cam, or to plug a pendrive or an USB HD. I don't think its usb2... at least the wiki mentions usb1.1 everywhere. Can you check your source? I think the wiki is wrong here, due to copypaste from 1973. Andy Green mentioned 2 15k resistors from D+, D- to GND, to detect _highspeed_ cheers jOERG ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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I apologize. I was wrong. I think it is still good enough to read / write usb pendrive but it can give problem in case of a webcam (I am thinking to 1.3 MPix webcam). But for a normal vga webcam I think there are not problems Ivo Anjo wrote: On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 9:04 AM, Michele Renda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Freerunner is projected to have an Usb2 port and I think it is good enough to use with a cam, or to plug a pendrive or an USB HD. I don't think its usb2... at least the wiki mentions usb1.1 everywhere. Can you check your source? Ivo ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: Could you confirm that USB2 devices are actually recognized in _highspeed_ mode (Freerunner), and which transfer rate we might expect? They are recognized as 12Mbps devices, that's all that we can handle on the S3C2442 in the Freerunner. Although 480Mbps is obviously better, for most things 12Mbps is fine (and works backward-compatible). For example even today most webcams are actually only 12Mbps devices. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFH3UNKOjLpvpq7dMoRAtfQAKCA16t5EAkYL2ZBUTACxpAqTy1A4QCfeKtV g1t1673B/MLu/t6iXhnLBJY= =Amnk -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Am So 16. März 2008 schrieb Andy Green: - gpg control packet Somebody in the thread at some point said: Could you confirm that USB2 devices are actually recognized in _highspeed_ mode (Freerunner), and which transfer rate we might expect? They are recognized as 12Mbps devices, that's all that we can handle on the S3C2442 in the Freerunner. Yep, i could have known. 30min reading and learning from CPU manual would suffice. Host controller: USB1.1 OHCI1.0 Low_speed and Full_speed(=12MHz) compliant. NO highspeed. /j ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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I was thinking also to a mini usb cam to be plugged on lateral part. This will trasform the phone in a videophone (with wifi coferage) or in a little photo machine. What do you think about? 2008/3/13, Jeff Andros [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 5:06 PM, joerg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Mi 12. März 2008 schrieb Etienne: Chances to see any kind of changes in layout of GTA02 PCB/housing are *very* low i think. especially since the GSM antenna is at the bottom ( as far away from the gps antenna as possible) -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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That is a nice idea, would like to have an accessory like that to make my neo into a camera, when I need it... On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 9:01 AM, Michele Renda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was thinking also to a mini usb cam to be plugged on lateral part. This will trasform the phone in a videophone (with wifi coferage) or in a little photo machine. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: That is a nice idea, would like to have an accessory like that to make my neo into a camera, when I need it... It is a nice idea. The Y cable is a nice idea too. But (it's just my personal take) the problem with loading up any new things on this product right now is - we didn't sell any yet :-) - everyone is running around in headless chicken mode trying to finalize production, their brains are not configured for new tasks right now I think the way forward is to prototype these ideas on a GTA02 and document it and what it does, where it is useful, then after the current storm dies down it is accessible to explain what the idea is to the people that can yea or nay it. For these external USB accessories, it is exactly the kind of thing users can hack on, including the kernel side if needed (although USB device support in Linux can already be adequate for many tasks). If a couple of folks did it and are going on about how much it rocked and to show what they achieved this speaks very loudly. I started prototyping the Y cable, but of course the wiring for a mini USB cable does not include ID normally :-/ Later I will edit the cable of one of the chargers I have here to do it that way. Really I think this kind of user-driven Wah! We could do THIS!!! is great and it is exactly the idea of the product, but unlike a closed product we really CAN do it without petitioning the company, and within reason I'm pretty sure supporting this kind of hacking endeavour from my side is part of my job description. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFH2PRVOjLpvpq7dMoRAv2UAJkBwbnmzZjjs8H8kWfBvZaLFtC/2wCeJRgY hxMic6U/rxMSLPXgmCvuznk= =AO8g -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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I am happy this interest someone. The advantages of an external mini usb camera is: 1. It does not require reproject of hardware (it is nice to have autoalimented usb port :) 2. It can be bought only if a person want, who don't like don't buy it. 3. It can be upgrader with a better version if for example I need a 15 Mpixel webcam :) (I am joking) or if I need to replace because the cam is not well running (image noise) The disavantage: 1. is an external module and I think he need an clip to link well to the openmodo I don't think it must produced by openmoko firm, but it will be nice to be produced by an external firm that can have a very potential market. I want now that openmoko team will be concentrated on the develop of Openmoko (core) so I can change my phone :) The only thing that is needed is that: 1. Mini usb port support 2. Can clip stable to Freerunner phone (I don't think he can support only on mini-usb port) 3. The full support by linux kernel 4. (optional but it will be nice) open hardware specification My 2 cent 2008/3/13, Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: That is a nice idea, would like to have an accessory like that to make my neo into a camera, when I need it... It is a nice idea. The Y cable is a nice idea too. But (it's just my personal take) the problem with loading up any new things on this product right now is - we didn't sell any yet :-) - everyone is running around in headless chicken mode trying to finalize production, their brains are not configured for new tasks right now I think the way forward is to prototype these ideas on a GTA02 and document it and what it does, where it is useful, then after the current storm dies down it is accessible to explain what the idea is to the people that can yea or nay it. For these external USB accessories, it is exactly the kind of thing users can hack on, including the kernel side if needed (although USB device support in Linux can already be adequate for many tasks). If a couple of folks did it and are going on about how much it rocked and to show what they achieved this speaks very loudly. I started prototyping the Y cable, but of course the wiring for a mini USB cable does not include ID normally :-/ Later I will edit the cable of one of the chargers I have here to do it that way. Really I think this kind of user-driven Wah! We could do THIS!!! is great and it is exactly the idea of the product, but unlike a closed product we really CAN do it without petitioning the company, and within reason I'm pretty sure supporting this kind of hacking endeavour from my side is part of my job description. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFH2PRVOjLpvpq7dMoRAv2UAJkBwbnmzZjjs8H8kWfBvZaLFtC/2wCeJRgY hxMic6U/rxMSLPXgmCvuznk= =AO8g -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Hi Michele once I can adquire a GTA2 one of the hacking task I would like to do is to attach a common web cam and do pictures/video capture. If it works fine I will try to protototype a way to attach it to the neo that seems integrated with the phone it self. Another thing I'm wishing to do is use that webcam whitout the ir filter to use neo as night vision device ;) --- Michele Renda [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: I am happy this interest someone. The advantages of an external mini usb camera is: 1. It does not require reproject of hardware (it is nice to have autoalimented usb port :) 2. It can be bought only if a person want, who don't like don't buy it. 3. It can be upgrader with a better version if for example I need a 15 Mpixel webcam :) (I am joking) or if I need to replace because the cam is not well running (image noise) The disavantage: 1. is an external module and I think he need an clip to link well to the openmodo I don't think it must produced by openmoko firm, but it will be nice to be produced by an external firm that can have a very potential market. I want now that openmoko team will be concentrated on the develop of Openmoko (core) so I can change my phone :) The only thing that is needed is that: 1. Mini usb port support 2. Can clip stable to Freerunner phone (I don't think he can support only on mini-usb port) 3. The full support by linux kernel 4. (optional but it will be nice) open hardware specification My 2 cent 2008/3/13, Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: That is a nice idea, would like to have an accessory like that to make my neo into a camera, when I need it... It is a nice idea. The Y cable is a nice idea too. But (it's just my personal take) the problem with loading up any new things on this product right now is - we didn't sell any yet :-) - everyone is running around in headless chicken mode trying to finalize production, their brains are not configured for new tasks right now I think the way forward is to prototype these ideas on a GTA02 and document it and what it does, where it is useful, then after the current storm dies down it is accessible to explain what the idea is to the people that can yea or nay it. For these external USB accessories, it is exactly the kind of thing users can hack on, including the kernel side if needed (although USB device support in Linux can already be adequate for many tasks). If a couple of folks did it and are going on about how much it rocked and to show what they achieved this speaks very loudly. I started prototyping the Y cable, but of course the wiring for a mini USB cable does not include ID normally :-/ Later I will edit the cable of one of the chargers I have here to do it that way. Really I think this kind of user-driven Wah! We could do THIS!!! is great and it is exactly the idea of the product, but unlike a closed product we really CAN do it without petitioning the company, and within reason I'm pretty sure supporting this kind of hacking endeavour from my side is part of my job description. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFH2PRVOjLpvpq7dMoRAv2UAJkBwbnmzZjjs8H8kWfBvZaLFtC/2wCeJRgY hxMic6U/rxMSLPXgmCvuznk= =AO8g -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community __ Enviado desde Correo Yahoo! El buzón de correo sin límite de almacenamiento. http://es.docs.yahoo.com/mail/overview/index.html ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: I am happy this interest someone. The advantages of an external mini usb camera is: 1. It does not require reproject of hardware (it is nice to have autoalimented usb port :) 2. It can be bought only if a person want, who don't like don't buy it. 3. It can be upgrader with a better version if for example I need a 15 Mpixel webcam :) (I am joking) or if I need to replace because the cam is not well running (image noise) I was sold on the idea already personally, no need for reasons here :-) 1. Mini usb port support I investigated this yesterday and hacked open a mini USB - USB A plug cable already and soldered on a USB A socket instead, and plugged in a USB memory stick. If you do echo host /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-ohci/usb_mode and currently on the git tree, although the path may change soon echo 1 /sys/devices/platform/neo1973-pm-host.0/hostmode then the USB memory stick is recognized by the phone. So we are already good to go for hacking a random webcam or in fact random USB device generally on the phone AFAIK. That's why I saw this is something possible for users to consider to hack on, it's getting close to being the same as plugging the things into a Linux laptop and trying to get it working. 2. Can clip stable to Freerunner phone (I don't think he can support only on mini-usb port) Right, no idea about that. 3. The full support by linux kernel 4. (optional but it will be nice) open hardware specification Yes at this stage it seems you can pick a cheap webcam supported by PWC driver http://www.saillard.org/linux/pwc/ or similar driver project, hack up a cable, set the host mode and you just need to crosscompile the driver module. I guess you need a usermode app that knows about /dev/video0 and that's it. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFH2QULOjLpvpq7dMoRAnp5AJ4zJs4cs5GRbRLzPvKzS187rpxusQCgjq/c 04A8j+w1BcMNbrZQGjYRJPE= =c6oN -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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As attachment there is an image that explain better my idea (png format) attachment: webcam.png___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: As attachment there is an image that explain better my idea (png format) WAH it look cool! - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFH2QYkOjLpvpq7dMoRAkD1AJwJGLxl3H6vzciJL2LsVkSFE2TXvwCfZ0pi 1MTSNPxjuhx8gxH94Unpi4Q= =sczG -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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What I think there is the need is something like this: http://www.teknobazar.it/shop/product_info.php?products_id=721 This can be good to plug a pendrive or a standard keyboard :), a webcam or a sd reader. About the clip I think it can be a problem. I don't think it will be nice to break the connector inside the openmoko :( this I think must to be a choise of the webcam producer. An idea can be the one that I will attach now. attachment: webcam_lateral.png___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: What I think there is the need is something like this: http://www.teknobazar.it/shop/product_info.php?products_id=721 This can be good to plug a pendrive or a standard keyboard :), a webcam or a sd reader. You're right, alternatively one with a short cable. Really this should be part of the kit since you just can't actually use USB host without it. About the clip I think it can be a problem. I don't think it will be nice to break the connector inside the openmoko :( this I think must to be a choise of the webcam producer. An idea can be the one that I will attach now. I don't know how practical it is to expect someone to get mouldings made and so on, so until we ship a lot of GTA02 nobody will target it I guess. I think for now we have to find a cheap webcam that is built to mount on a laptop LCD top and abuse it somehow. Hopefully once we proved it we can at least get the driver support for the cameras that are widely available into the default kernel. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFH2RHTOjLpvpq7dMoRAj6HAJ9WwYXPObvkz7JqVtpNlAfvKA1zpgCfT+xh selyrqHdITt/6eevDATe4UQ= =9iSu -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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How about using Bluetooth? Yeah, it would be a little strange but think of it like this: You could take your phone out of the cradle when it has finished charging and it would continue playing music while you'd read the next chapter of your ebook in your bed. With WLAN and Bluetooth, the only thing you really need a physical connection for is charging. Ortwin On 3/12/08, Etienne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all, I know that what I'm gonna ask for is coming in quite late regarding the state of the design of the Neo, but still, I have to ask. I can see quite an opportunity for the Freerunner to be a device around which anybody can design additionnal accessories, thanks to the open philosophy around it. I especially would like to see (or design myself) some kind of base station like the ones existing for the iPod with high-quality loudspeakers. Something like that would obviously provide a mean to recharge the phone battery, but could also be designed to provide conference-call features around the Freerunner. However, from a mechanical point of view, I can see a major show-stopper, being the fact that the Freerunner connectors are positionned on both sides of the device, which leads to no solution to easily drop the device on a base station. I know I'm asking for a big change, but is there any chance the layout can be re-arranged so that the on/off button and the audio connector switch positions in the Freerunner ? Regards, -- Etienne ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Michele Renda ha scritto: As attachment there is an image that explain better my idea (png format) Really cool... I had this idea too some weeks ago :P -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Andy Green ha scritto: You're right, alternatively one with a short cable. Really this should be part of the kit since you just can't actually use USB host without it. I'm very happy to read this...! -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: Andy Green ha scritto: You're right, alternatively one with a short cable. Really this should be part of the kit since you just can't actually use USB host without it. I'm very happy to read this...! Unfortunately I don't get to decide it :-) Just agreeing with your logic. I fear it is too late to change the kit now. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFH2XX/OjLpvpq7dMoRAuhTAKCUajYrQYv/kzPok5CBeGYOTs4/CQCeIzlF +F7LKXZ/e0SLqGvsl2tWTYU= =WT3H -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Also according me this accessory must be part of standard openmoko kit: I think it will not be too much expensive, if bought in to the right producer and in big quantity :) Andy Green wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: Andy Green ha scritto: You're right, alternatively one with a short cable. Really this should be part of the kit since you just can't actually use USB host without it. I'm very happy to read this...! Unfortunately I don't get to decide it :-) Just agreeing with your logic. I fear it is too late to change the kit now. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFH2XX/OjLpvpq7dMoRAuhTAKCUajYrQYv/kzPok5CBeGYOTs4/CQCeIzlF +F7LKXZ/e0SLqGvsl2tWTYU= =WT3H -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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It's really very simple. Someone hack one together, take pictures, and describe it on a wiki page. As Andy says, once we chickens find our heads we can consider whether to turn these into products or not. Michael Andy Green wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: That is a nice idea, would like to have an accessory like that to make my neo into a camera, when I need it... It is a nice idea. The Y cable is a nice idea too. But (it's just my personal take) the problem with loading up any new things on this product right now is - we didn't sell any yet :-) - everyone is running around in headless chicken mode trying to finalize production, their brains are not configured for new tasks right now I think the way forward is to prototype these ideas on a GTA02 and document it and what it does, where it is useful, then after the current storm dies down it is accessible to explain what the idea is to the people that can yea or nay it. For these external USB accessories, it is exactly the kind of thing users can hack on, including the kernel side if needed (although USB device support in Linux can already be adequate for many tasks). If a couple of folks did it and are going on about how much it rocked and to show what they achieved this speaks very loudly. I started prototyping the Y cable, but of course the wiring for a mini USB cable does not include ID normally :-/ Later I will edit the cable of one of the chargers I have here to do it that way. Really I think this kind of user-driven Wah! We could do THIS!!! is great and it is exactly the idea of the product, but unlike a closed product we really CAN do it without petitioning the company, and within reason I'm pretty sure supporting this kind of hacking endeavour from my side is part of my job description. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFH2PRVOjLpvpq7dMoRAv2UAJkBwbnmzZjjs8H8kWfBvZaLFtC/2wCeJRgY hxMic6U/rxMSLPXgmCvuznk= =AO8g -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
OpenMoko and accessories design
Hello all, I know that what I'm gonna ask for is coming in quite late regarding the state of the design of the Neo, but still, I have to ask. I can see quite an opportunity for the Freerunner to be a device around which anybody can design additionnal accessories, thanks to the open philosophy around it. I especially would like to see (or design myself) some kind of base station like the ones existing for the iPod with high-quality loudspeakers. Something like that would obviously provide a mean to recharge the phone battery, but could also be designed to provide conference-call features around the Freerunner. However, from a mechanical point of view, I can see a major show-stopper, being the fact that the Freerunner connectors are positionned on both sides of the device, which leads to no solution to easily drop the device on a base station. I know I'm asking for a big change, but is there any chance the layout can be re-arranged so that the on/off button and the audio connector switch positions in the Freerunner ? Regards, -- Etienne ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko and accessories design
Am Mi 12. März 2008 schrieb Etienne: I especially would like to see (or design myself) some kind of base station like the ones existing for the iPod with high-quality loudspeakers. Something like that would obviously provide a mean to recharge the phone battery, but could also be designed to provide conference-call features around the Freerunner. However, from a mechanical point of view, I can see a major show-stopper, being the fact that the Freerunner connectors are positionned on both sides of the device, which leads to no solution to easily drop the device on a base station. I know I'm asking for a big change, but is there any chance the layout can be re-arranged so that the on/off button and the audio connector switch positions in the Freerunner ? I also like very much to see a drop-in cradle for Freerunner, to charge, sync with PC, and maybe have audio extension. However i don't see a problem with headset connector 1) you won't need it for hands-free/conference, this is (should be) already built in for NEO. 2) for HiFi-stereo the cradle may contain a usb-soundcard. Maybe it's a little tricky to have a soundcard-usb-client and a PC-usb-host connected to NEO at the same time, but if all else fails, there are USB-host2host solutions commonly used to create a usb-based network of 2 PCs. Chances to see any kind of changes in layout of GTA02 PCB/housing are *very* low i think. cheers jOERG ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko and accessories design
On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 5:06 PM, joerg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Mi 12. März 2008 schrieb Etienne: Chances to see any kind of changes in layout of GTA02 PCB/housing are *very* low i think. especially since the GSM antenna is at the bottom ( as far away from the gps antenna as possible) -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
