Re: OpenMoko phone comparisons
On Nov 11, 2007 6:33 PM, Peter Naulls [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have concerns about the screen size (even though it's 640x480, it's still tiny) The screen is small but usable. The biggest problem I see is text input but there are some interesting projects and ideas flying around to solve that. and the ruggedness of the device I can't say too much about that but it seems pretty solid to me. I read about other people's buttons breaking and that sounds like a realistic issue if you use them a lot. You should get some sort of protector foil for the screen as the danger of damaging it is always big, especially with touchscreens. My requirements are: 640x480 (for suitably transcoded movies), From my experience with devices, the GTA02 hardware should do that pretty easily. I have not idea how long it will take until the necessary software is written/ported, though. runs Linux It obviously does that. wireless access Do you mean WLAN? The GTA02 will have the hardware and probably the software after a short while. can make occasional phone calls. The GTA01 already makes phone calls. And a general note: Your tone is very agressive and demanding. This does nothing but annoy people. I'd recommend you try to be more friendly and tolerant of seemingly unnecessary comments and people will probably be more friendly to you. Ortwin ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko phone comparisons
careful mike, don't feed the trolls. http://peternaullsappreciationsociety.blogspot.com/ i hope we can all appreciate mr naulls and his brief foray down at the very level of the perceived trollish abuse he experience: inflicting it back on a respected and valued member of our community. hatred + hatred = ???. hopefully this equation doesn't go exponential! but after seeing the picture of his son, i hope he just had a bad day! ickle baby naulls! :D p.s., me, i like the june 12th blog post. sic: A respectful culture - We treat each other with respect xo j On Nov 12, 2007 12:39 AM, Peter Naulls [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike Hodson wrote: On Nov 11, 2007 6:55 PM, Peter Naulls [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And yet some people are dissatisfied with its specifications and are discussing other phones, so I can easily conclude that your (sic) a troll. Yet by your condescending attitude you appear to be more troll-like than him. Well deserved; I'm trying to have an intelligent conversation. Was there any value to your content-free posts? No. Then you'd also do well to say nothing instead of throwing around more accusations. I seem to have confused this list with one where open and intelligent discussion takes place regarding the merits or otherwise of OpenMoko and its hardware targets. Clearly you aren't interested in discussing those. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko phone comparisons
Ortwin Regel wrote: On Nov 11, 2007 6:33 PM, Peter Naulls [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have concerns about the screen size (even though it's 640x480, it's still tiny) The screen is small but usable. The biggest problem I see is text input but there are some interesting projects and ideas flying around to solve that. How about in terms of viewing movies or graphics - is that sensible; the pixels are surely minuscule? and the ruggedness of the device I can't say too much about that but it seems pretty solid to me. I read about other people's buttons breaking and that sounds like a realistic issue if you use them a lot. You should get some sort of protector foil for the screen as the danger of damaging it is always big, especially with touchscreens. My requirements are: 640x480 (for suitably transcoded movies), [snip broken up requirements] Yes, I'm quite aware that the GTA02 meets these requirements, as does the UTC universal. I wouldn't have posted here after all and named those two phones otherwise. The question is, do any _other_ phones also fall into this category? Of course, I do want to run OpenMoko, and will do the necessary work if really required to make it do so if it already runs linux. And a general note: Your tone is very agressive and demanding. This does nothing but annoy people. I'd recommend you try to be more friendly and tolerant of seemingly unnecessary comments and people will probably be more friendly to you. With respect, you seem to be a bit confused and your reasoning is backwards. The initial responses I got were clearly trolls (by definition _they_ unfriendly and annoying people). I made an effort to be clear about what I was asking and haven't demanded anything, and the first responders had made no effort to really read what I said. Save your criticism for them. Unfortunately, it just looks like to outsiders that people are getting overly defensive it if looks like I might be trying to criticize OpenMoko/Neo. Let's try and restrict our opinions to what I'm really asked. Thanks for your feedback. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko phone comparisons
On Nov 13, 2007 1:12 AM, Peter Naulls [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ortwin Regel wrote: On Nov 11, 2007 6:33 PM, Peter Naulls [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have concerns about the screen size (even though it's 640x480, it's still tiny) The screen is small but usable. The biggest problem I see is text input but there are some interesting projects and ideas flying around to solve that. How about in terms of viewing movies or graphics - is that sensible; the pixels are surely minuscule? It's quite hard to see the individual pixels but as far as I'm concerned this is a good thing. Things look very sharp. Of course, some pictures and videos might have to be scaled up to fit the screen. The Neo is not the best virtual picture frame or movie theatre but it should be great for viewing high res videos and photos (high res for a mobile device) on the go. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko phone comparisons
On 13/11/2007, Peter Naulls [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My requirements are: 640x480 (for suitably transcoded movies), [snip broken up requirements] Yes, I'm quite aware that the GTA02 meets these requirements, as does the UTC universal. The question is, do any _other_ phones also fall into this category? Of course, I do want to run OpenMoko, and will do the necessary work if really required to make it do so if it already runs linux. some of us have been talking off list about a module from Compulab that may be suitable. it is an ARM device, has a ready to go Angstrom linux image, 640 x 480 screen, gprs, wi-fi, bluetooth and gps. all it needs is a case. see: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Compulab_EM-X270 ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko phone comparisons
Yes, I'm quite aware that the GTA02 meets these requirements, as does the UTC universal. I wouldn't have posted here after all and named those two phones otherwise. The question is, do any _other_ phones also fall into this category? Of course, I do want to run OpenMoko, and will do the necessary work if really required to make it do so if it already runs linux. And a general note: Your tone is very agressive and demanding. This does nothing but annoy people. I'd recommend you try to be more friendly and tolerant of seemingly unnecessary comments and people will probably be more friendly to you. With respect, you seem to be a bit confused and your reasoning is backwards. The initial responses I got were clearly trolls (by definition _they_ unfriendly and annoying people). I made an effort to be clear about what I was asking and haven't demanded anything, and the first responders had made no effort to really read what I said. Save your criticism for them. Unfortunately, it just looks like to outsiders that people are getting overly defensive it if looks like I might be trying to criticize OpenMoko/Neo. Let's try and restrict our opinions to what I'm really asked. No, Peter, honestly, you do sound really mean and super aggressive. I am trying to say this in a way that does not further incite your testosterone, but the fact that several people on this generally respectful list are saying the same thing (and this doesn't come up often) should be an indicator. I have no reason to say this other than that your tone is distinctly different from the rest of the list. And by the way I am plenty critical of openmoko re 850mhz. This has nothing to do with being defensive. I am just calling it like I see it. Regards Hank ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko phone comparisons
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Robin Paulson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 13/11/2007, Peter Naulls [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My requirements are: 640x480 (for suitably transcoded movies), some of us have been talking off list about a module from Compulab that may be suitable. it is an ARM device, has a ready to go Angstrom linux image, 640 x 480 screen, gprs, wi-fi, bluetooth and gps. all it needs is a case. see: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Compulab_EM-X270 Yeah, I've been following what's been mentioned about that. Pretty interesting, but pricey, even if a volume purchase can be worked out (~$750). Odd that it's only 11b. I could justify cobbling together a case of my own making, but I think the price of the device is simply too much to justify it. I don't know much about the availability of GPRS devices et al, but would it be possible to retrofit one to an existing device? Alternatively, CDMA modems are avilable in PCMCIA devices - how about a MiniPCI version on a device. This is all guess work. -- Peter Naulls - [EMAIL PROTECTED]| http://www.chocky.org/ Linux hints wiki - http://www.linuxhints.info/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko phone comparisons
On 11 Nov 2007, at 17:33, Peter Naulls wrote: For price comparison, the UTC is about $350 and Neo is $450. HTC Universal? If you want one of these get one, but OpenMoko is far from being as reliable and complete as the Windows Mobile OS on it. It's a rather large phone, not exactly a fast device (it's a few years out of date now) and the final Neo device will be faster in numerous ways. Perhaps a Nokia N800 or N810 is what you need at this time? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko phone comparisons
Anyone willing to placate my concerns, or point out other phones that meet my requirements (must fill _all_ the requirements I listed, so please check carefully). Since your asking on the openmoko list I'd be surprised if anyone recommends anything but the neo1973 As a final point, I'll note I'm a long (long) time embedded and ARM linux developer, so don't mind doing occasional work to improve either kernel or userspace stuff. Yes I can definatly recommend you buy a neo1973 Also, if you're following up, please don't uneccesarily quote signatures, taglines and bits you aren't responding to. O.K. I wont ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko phone comparisons
Giles Jones wrote: On 11 Nov 2007, at 17:33, Peter Naulls wrote: For price comparison, the UTC is about $350 and Neo is $450. HTC Universal? Yes, you snipped that part. If you want one of these get one, but OpenMoko is far from being as reliable and complete as the Windows Mobile OS on it. I have little interest in Windows Mobile, which is another part you snipped. I want Linux, probably OpenMoko. It's a rather large phone, not exactly a fast device (it's a few years out of date now) and the final Neo device will be faster in numerous ways. Well, that's the one helpful thing you posted. But what are we talking? Either a subjective comparison or detailed technical comparison of processor, graphics and bus, memory speeds would be fine. Perhaps a Nokia N800 or N810 is what you need at this time? Or not, not having phone capabilities, which is another requirement you snipped (Skype notwithstanding). ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko phone comparisons
andy selby wrote: Anyone willing to placate my concerns, or point out other phones that meet my requirements (must fill _all_ the requirements I listed, so please check carefully). Since your asking on the openmoko list I'd be surprised if anyone recommends anything but the neo1973 And yet some people are dissatisfied with its specifications and are discussing other phones, so I can easily conclude that your (sic) a troll. As a final point, I'll note I'm a long (long) time embedded and ARM linux developer, so don't mind doing occasional work to improve either kernel or userspace stuff. Yes I can definatly recommend you buy a neo1973 That doesn't follow at all. What is your justification here of the Neo over the HTC Universal in this respect? Also, if you're following up, please don't unnecessarily quote signatures, taglines and bits you aren't responding to. O.K. I wont Thanks, but also not snipping attribution lines would be appreciated. If anyone has anything _constructive_ to reply with and isn't just replying for the sake of making noise, I'd like to hear it. If not, then please don't annoy others with pointless posts. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko phone comparisons
On Nov 11, 2007 6:50 PM, Peter Naulls [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Giles Jones wrote: HTC Universal? Yes, you snipped that part. He snipped out you calling it a UTC Universal. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko phone comparisons
On Nov 11, 2007 6:55 PM, Peter Naulls [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And yet some people are dissatisfied with its specifications and are discussing other phones, so I can easily conclude that your (sic) a troll. Yet by your condescending attitude you appear to be more troll-like than him. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko phone comparisons
Mike Hodson wrote: On Nov 11, 2007 6:55 PM, Peter Naulls [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And yet some people are dissatisfied with its specifications and are discussing other phones, so I can easily conclude that your (sic) a troll. Yet by your condescending attitude you appear to be more troll-like than him. Well deserved; I'm trying to have an intelligent conversation. Was there any value to your content-free posts? No. Then you'd also do well to say nothing instead of throwing around more accusations. I seem to have confused this list with one where open and intelligent discussion takes place regarding the merits or otherwise of OpenMoko and its hardware targets. Clearly you aren't interested in discussing those. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
