Re: Our new Main page of wiki
Am Mo 5. Mai 2008 schrieb steve: Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=sita.openmoko.org) by sita.openmoko.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1K32Dg-0001Yg-F5; Mon, 02 Jun 2008 07:04:32 +0200 Received: from smtp115.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com ([69.147.64.88]) by sita.openmoko.org with smtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Jt5nq-0005hh-NB for community@lists.openmoko.org; Mon, 05 May 2008 20:52:59 +0200 WOW! yahoo is great ;-) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Our new Main page of wiki
Am Mo 2. Juni 2008 schrieb Joerg Reisenweber: Am Mo 5. Mai 2008 schrieb steve: Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=sita.openmoko.org) by sita.openmoko.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1K32Dg-0001Yg-F5; Mon, 02 Jun 2008 07:04:32 +0200 Received: from smtp115.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com ([69.147.64.88]) by sita.openmoko.org with smtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Jt5nq-0005hh-NB for community@lists.openmoko.org; Mon, 05 May 2008 20:52:59 +0200 WOW! yahoo is great ;-) Ooops, no! It's sita.openmoko. Thanks for moderating our mail! signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Our new Main page of wiki
Joerg Reisenweber wrote: Am Mo 5. Mai 2008 schrieb steve: Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=sita.openmoko.org) by sita.openmoko.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1K32Dg-0001Yg-F5; Mon, 02 Jun 2008 07:04:32 +0200 Received: from smtp115.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com ([69.147.64.88]) by sita.openmoko.org with smtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Jt5nq-0005hh-NB for community@lists.openmoko.org; Mon, 05 May 2008 20:52:59 +0200 WOW! yahoo is great ;-) nope, we are, the mail hung in the mailman for quite a while because often nobody finds the time to log into its webui and ack through messages which landed in moderation.. e.g. not sent directly to the list, but as bcc, or with huge attachments for example (as in this case) since some public lists have quite a lot subscribers i think we should keep this limits in place there. (and rather find a more systematic process to work such stuff down. ;) -- Joachim Steiger Openmoko Central Services ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Our new Main page of wiki
Thanks Brenda, I spent too many years teaching writing, so I had a small advantage. WRT the sentence below Join Openmoko development. I’ll go back and look at that. Generally, if it’s not necessary I cut it. I removed the Dev Board QT2410, because it was my impression that it was out of date and not critical. I could be wrong on that, if people scream, then adjust. Ideally I would like to see three branches 1. A product branch that forks to all past and future products. 2. A developer branch that forks to all matters software. 3. A community branch that forks to community issues, like projects, blogs, wiki instructions, buying lists, etc There is also some duplication in the various links that needs cleaning up _ From: BrendaWang [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 1:20 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion; steve Subject: Re: Our new Main page of wiki Dear Steve: I notice that you edited the Main page of wiki. The wording is better then me. I like it. Thank you for doing this. But I don't understand why you took off the sentence below Join Openmoko development? And development board--QT2410? Can you tell me why? Actually , I know that our main page is too long. I would like to make whole wiki site become short and organized. But technically , I can't solve that problem in a very short time. I just used the Google Analytic to find out the most popular page , then I use the box, put the link all together. Use the aggressive color and put the categories page on side bar, to make pages easy to find. I also use the Google Analytic to find out the most popular browser, use the right tag, make sure most of them can use wiki more easily. I got a lot of feedback here. And now , Gismo is helping us to upgrade our wiki system. After wiki system had been upgraded , I would start to work on server site. For example , I would like to change the wiki skin. And page structure. I think I would need technical support. And I will ask anyone who can help me. Anyway, the real meaning of Wiki is collaboration. Thank for you help , and hope you can understand what I am doing now. Brenda And I like it. :-) steve 提到: It's getting there. -Original Message- From: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 8:15 PM To: steve Cc: 'List for Openmoko community discussion' Subject: Re: Our new Main page of wiki On Fri, 2 May 2008 17:13:06 -0700 steve mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: indeed - it's not bad. no complaints. just observation. :) we all have got lots of things to do... :) Yes, It is a bit long. And it always has been. Brenda is working the Structure of the site ( like Edward scissorshand trimming kudzu) and I told wolfgang I would do my marketing thing on the front page. I will of course make some suggestions on organization and structure ( you know me raster ) but for now, I will let it rest, as I have other matters to attend to. The current structure is rhapsodic and so is not easily maintained, especially as new products come out. So, I'll share some thoughts later. Laconically yours, Steve -Original Message- From: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 5:03 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Cc: steve Subject: Re: Our new Main page of wiki On Fri, 2 May 2008 14:25:18 -0700 steve mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: seems ok to me, though a little long :) but that's how it has been for a while. :) In any case I did a quick copy edit of the front page. Have a look, I will probably polish it some more later on and add some of my writing from the .com. PS, Raster is right. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 12:55 AM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Cc: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) Subject: Re: Our new Main page of wiki Am Fr 2. Mai 2008 schrieb Carsten Haitzler: On Thu, 1 May 2008 13:35:24 -0400 Nick Guenther mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: I think it's a little ridiculous to leave it when at least she takes the initiative to do something. Sure - Brenda does not speak English as a native language. You are free to fix it up with your perfect English intuition. It is a wiki after all. Perhaps she might help you with your good, yet not so perfect chinese? :) Seriously. I have learnt several languages. I know how hard it is to speak a foreign language. It is damned hard. It's even harder when the language is of a completely different language school (i.e. European vs. Asian languages). The fact that someone can communicate as well as Brenda can, in a foreign language, is simply amazing. It is a mountain of work. Everyone should be as supportive as possible. It is no easy task. The fact that English is just
Re: Our new Main page of wiki
Dear Steve: I notice that you edited the Main page of wiki. The wording is better then me. I like it. Thank you for doing this. But I don't understand why you took off the sentence below Join Openmoko development? And development board--QT2410? Can you tell me why? Actually , I know that our main page is too long. I would like to make whole wiki site become short and organized. But technically , I can't solve that problem in a very short time. I just used the Google Analytic to find out the most popular page , then I use the box, put the link all together. Use the aggressive color and put the categories page on side bar, to make pages easy to find. I also use the Google Analytic to find out the most popular browser, use the right tag, make sure most of them can use wiki more easily. I got a lot of feedback here. And now , Gismo is helping us to upgrade our wiki system. After wiki system had been upgraded , I would start to work on server site. For example , I would like to change the wiki skin. And page structure. I think I would need technical support. And I will ask anyone who can help me. Anyway, the real meaning of Wiki is collaboration. Thank for you help , and hope you can understand what I am doing now. Brenda And I like it. :-) steve ??: It's getting there. -Original Message- From: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 8:15 PM To: steve Cc: 'List for Openmoko community discussion' Subject: Re: Our new Main page of wiki On Fri, 2 May 2008 17:13:06 -0700 steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: indeed - it's not bad. no complaints. just observation. :) we all have got lots of things to do... :) Yes, It is a bit long. And it always has been. Brenda is working the Structure of the site ( like Edward scissorshand trimming kudzu) and I told wolfgang I would do my marketing thing on the front page. I will of course make some suggestions on organization and structure ( you know me raster ) but for now, I will let it rest, as I have other matters to attend to. The current structure is rhapsodic and so is not easily maintained, especially as new products come out. So, I'll share some thoughts later. Laconically yours, Steve -Original Message- From: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 5:03 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Cc: steve Subject: Re: Our new Main page of wiki On Fri, 2 May 2008 14:25:18 -0700 steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: seems ok to me, though a little long :) but that's how it has been for a while. :) In any case I did a quick copy edit of the front page. Have a look, I will probably polish it some more later on and add some of my writing from the .com. PS, Raster is right. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 12:55 AM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Cc: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) Subject: Re: Our new Main page of wiki Am Fr 2. Mai 2008 schrieb Carsten Haitzler: On Thu, 1 May 2008 13:35:24 -0400 Nick Guenther [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: I think it's a little ridiculous to leave it when at least she takes the initiative to do something. Sure - Brenda does not speak English as a native language. You are free to fix it up with your perfect English intuition. It is a wiki after all. Perhaps she might help you with your good, yet not so perfect chinese? :) Seriously. I have learnt several languages. I know how hard it is to speak a foreign language. It is damned hard. It's even harder when the language is of a completely different language school (i.e. European vs. Asian languages). The fact that someone can communicate as well as Brenda can, in a foreign language, is simply amazing. It is a mountain of work. Everyone should be as supportive as possible. It is no easy task. The fact that English is just the de-facto one for Open source, should not mean it has to be perfect and written by natives. If it can be understood then it has done a great job already. I clap my hands for Brenda and say keep going and thumbs up for making such a good job of it! ???! :) ACK! The new wiki-mainpage is way better than what it was before. Thanks Brenda! :-) /jOERG ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Carsten
RE: Our new Main page of wiki
It's getting there. -Original Message- From: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 8:15 PM To: steve Cc: 'List for Openmoko community discussion' Subject: Re: Our new Main page of wiki On Fri, 2 May 2008 17:13:06 -0700 steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: indeed - it's not bad. no complaints. just observation. :) we all have got lots of things to do... :) Yes, It is a bit long. And it always has been. Brenda is working the Structure of the site ( like Edward scissorshand trimming kudzu) and I told wolfgang I would do my marketing thing on the front page. I will of course make some suggestions on organization and structure ( you know me raster ) but for now, I will let it rest, as I have other matters to attend to. The current structure is rhapsodic and so is not easily maintained, especially as new products come out. So, I'll share some thoughts later. Laconically yours, Steve -Original Message- From: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 5:03 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Cc: steve Subject: Re: Our new Main page of wiki On Fri, 2 May 2008 14:25:18 -0700 steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: seems ok to me, though a little long :) but that's how it has been for a while. :) In any case I did a quick copy edit of the front page. Have a look, I will probably polish it some more later on and add some of my writing from the .com. PS, Raster is right. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 12:55 AM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Cc: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) Subject: Re: Our new Main page of wiki Am Fr 2. Mai 2008 schrieb Carsten Haitzler: On Thu, 1 May 2008 13:35:24 -0400 Nick Guenther [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: I think it's a little ridiculous to leave it when at least she takes the initiative to do something. Sure - Brenda does not speak English as a native language. You are free to fix it up with your perfect English intuition. It is a wiki after all. Perhaps she might help you with your good, yet not so perfect chinese? :) Seriously. I have learnt several languages. I know how hard it is to speak a foreign language. It is damned hard. It's even harder when the language is of a completely different language school (i.e. European vs. Asian languages). The fact that someone can communicate as well as Brenda can, in a foreign language, is simply amazing. It is a mountain of work. Everyone should be as supportive as possible. It is no easy task. The fact that English is just the de-facto one for Open source, should not mean it has to be perfect and written by natives. If it can be understood then it has done a great job already. I clap my hands for Brenda and say keep going and thumbs up for making such a good job of it! ???! :) ACK! The new wiki-mainpage is way better than what it was before. Thanks Brenda! :-) /jOERG ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Our new Main page of wiki
On Thu, 1 May 2008 13:35:24 -0400 Nick Guenther [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: I think it's a little ridiculous to leave it when at least she takes the initiative to do something. Sure - Brenda does not speak English as a native language. You are free to fix it up with your perfect English intuition. It is a wiki after all. Perhaps she might help you with your good, yet not so perfect chinese? :) Seriously. I have learnt several languages. I know how hard it is to speak a foreign language. It is damned hard. It's even harder when the language is of a completely different language school (i.e. European vs. Asian languages). The fact that someone can communicate as well as Brenda can, in a foreign language, is simply amazing. It is a mountain of work. Everyone should be as supportive as possible. It is no easy task. The fact that English is just the de-facto one for Open source, should not mean it has to be perfect and written by natives. If it can be understood then it has done a great job already. I clap my hands for Brenda and say keep going and thumbs up for making such a good job of it! 做得好！ :) It's not just the titles that are awkward, all the text sounds kind of awkward. Brenda, don't be offended at this, but your first language is not English is it? Perhaps you should leave the content of the consumer-facing pages (at least, the ones that are in english) to someone who has English intuition. I know, Openmoko is supposed to be about Openness, but this is a little ridiculous. On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 11:24 PM, Brenda Wang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is the design environment I used. Attached file is the the look of main page design. My resolution is 1024*768 Under Windows XP IE 6.0, Mac salaries will look like the attached file.(1024*768 windows ) Under Linux Firefox 2.0.0.13/Mac Firefox 3.1, the title will turn to black. (My setting is use the default color) The wiki skin I used is Openmoko (default). Brenda Flemming Richter Mikkelsen wrote: On 4/18/08, Bastian Muck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Too big? Which resolution do you use? 300x200? Ok, with 1920x1200 many things can be too small (specially flash videos and fixed sized hps) but I think this is also in an usual resolution too small.The solution to make it bigger at my browser is not the right way i think. Many people don't have good eyes and they should also can read the menu. This is a compromise between too big and including people which use too high resolution. If you have this big resolution, and you don't have any problems on other web pages, you don't have a problem here, right? Adjusting the font size is easy (ctrl-+), except if you use IE (you have to go on View - Text size - Largest if you use IE). Some people use special glasses when they use the computer... you cannot expect this wiki to use 24pt text. People like to see more than just a few words at a time. I want to see the whole page without horizontal scrolling and the whole index table without vertical scrolling. I think I am not the only one. I do not have larger resolution that 800x600 here (very little screen), and really hate too large fonts. That is just my opinion. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Our new Main page of wiki
Am Fr 2. Mai 2008 schrieb Carsten Haitzler: On Thu, 1 May 2008 13:35:24 -0400 Nick Guenther [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: I think it's a little ridiculous to leave it when at least she takes the initiative to do something. Sure - Brenda does not speak English as a native language. You are free to fix it up with your perfect English intuition. It is a wiki after all. Perhaps she might help you with your good, yet not so perfect chinese? :) Seriously. I have learnt several languages. I know how hard it is to speak a foreign language. It is damned hard. It's even harder when the language is of a completely different language school (i.e. European vs. Asian languages). The fact that someone can communicate as well as Brenda can, in a foreign language, is simply amazing. It is a mountain of work. Everyone should be as supportive as possible. It is no easy task. The fact that English is just the de-facto one for Open source, should not mean it has to be perfect and written by natives. If it can be understood then it has done a great job already. I clap my hands for Brenda and say keep going and thumbs up for making such a good job of it! 做得好！ :) ACK! The new wiki-mainpage is way better than what it was before. Thanks Brenda! :-) /jOERG ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Our new Main page of wiki
I will be editing the front page of the wiki in due course to bring it in line with the .com. Brenda's main focus has always been on REORGANIZING the content. Once she is done, I will wordsmith it. I just got access a couple days ago. Most of my focus has been on the .com site and writing some articles of late on our opening the CAD files. So, some patience please. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Federico Lorenzi Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 11:38 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: Our new Main page of wiki On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 7:35 PM, Nick Guenther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's not just the titles that are awkward, all the text sounds kind of awkward. Brenda, don't be offended at this, but your first language is not English is it? Perhaps you should leave the content of the consumer-facing pages (at least, the ones that are in english) to someone who has English intuition. I know, Openmoko is supposed to be about Openness, but this is a little ridiculous. Well, it sounds as if English is your first language, why not give renaming and editing a shot? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Our new Main page of wiki
In any case I did a quick copy edit of the front page. Have a look, I will probably polish it some more later on and add some of my writing from the .com. PS, Raster is right. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 12:55 AM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Cc: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) Subject: Re: Our new Main page of wiki Am Fr 2. Mai 2008 schrieb Carsten Haitzler: On Thu, 1 May 2008 13:35:24 -0400 Nick Guenther [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: I think it's a little ridiculous to leave it when at least she takes the initiative to do something. Sure - Brenda does not speak English as a native language. You are free to fix it up with your perfect English intuition. It is a wiki after all. Perhaps she might help you with your good, yet not so perfect chinese? :) Seriously. I have learnt several languages. I know how hard it is to speak a foreign language. It is damned hard. It's even harder when the language is of a completely different language school (i.e. European vs. Asian languages). The fact that someone can communicate as well as Brenda can, in a foreign language, is simply amazing. It is a mountain of work. Everyone should be as supportive as possible. It is no easy task. The fact that English is just the de-facto one for Open source, should not mean it has to be perfect and written by natives. If it can be understood then it has done a great job already. I clap my hands for Brenda and say keep going and thumbs up for making such a good job of it! ???! :) ACK! The new wiki-mainpage is way better than what it was before. Thanks Brenda! :-) /jOERG ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Our new Main page of wiki
On Fri, 2 May 2008 14:25:18 -0700 steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: seems ok to me, though a little long :) but that's how it has been for a while. :) In any case I did a quick copy edit of the front page. Have a look, I will probably polish it some more later on and add some of my writing from the .com. PS, Raster is right. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 12:55 AM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Cc: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) Subject: Re: Our new Main page of wiki Am Fr 2. Mai 2008 schrieb Carsten Haitzler: On Thu, 1 May 2008 13:35:24 -0400 Nick Guenther [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: I think it's a little ridiculous to leave it when at least she takes the initiative to do something. Sure - Brenda does not speak English as a native language. You are free to fix it up with your perfect English intuition. It is a wiki after all. Perhaps she might help you with your good, yet not so perfect chinese? :) Seriously. I have learnt several languages. I know how hard it is to speak a foreign language. It is damned hard. It's even harder when the language is of a completely different language school (i.e. European vs. Asian languages). The fact that someone can communicate as well as Brenda can, in a foreign language, is simply amazing. It is a mountain of work. Everyone should be as supportive as possible. It is no easy task. The fact that English is just the de-facto one for Open source, should not mean it has to be perfect and written by natives. If it can be understood then it has done a great job already. I clap my hands for Brenda and say keep going and thumbs up for making such a good job of it! ???! :) ACK! The new wiki-mainpage is way better than what it was before. Thanks Brenda! :-) /jOERG ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Our new Main page of wiki
Yes, It is a bit long. And it always has been. Brenda is working the Structure of the site ( like Edward scissorshand trimming kudzu) and I told wolfgang I would do my marketing thing on the front page. I will of course make some suggestions on organization and structure ( you know me raster ) but for now, I will let it rest, as I have other matters to attend to. The current structure is rhapsodic and so is not easily maintained, especially as new products come out. So, I'll share some thoughts later. Laconically yours, Steve -Original Message- From: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 5:03 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Cc: steve Subject: Re: Our new Main page of wiki On Fri, 2 May 2008 14:25:18 -0700 steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: seems ok to me, though a little long :) but that's how it has been for a while. :) In any case I did a quick copy edit of the front page. Have a look, I will probably polish it some more later on and add some of my writing from the .com. PS, Raster is right. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 12:55 AM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Cc: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) Subject: Re: Our new Main page of wiki Am Fr 2. Mai 2008 schrieb Carsten Haitzler: On Thu, 1 May 2008 13:35:24 -0400 Nick Guenther [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: I think it's a little ridiculous to leave it when at least she takes the initiative to do something. Sure - Brenda does not speak English as a native language. You are free to fix it up with your perfect English intuition. It is a wiki after all. Perhaps she might help you with your good, yet not so perfect chinese? :) Seriously. I have learnt several languages. I know how hard it is to speak a foreign language. It is damned hard. It's even harder when the language is of a completely different language school (i.e. European vs. Asian languages). The fact that someone can communicate as well as Brenda can, in a foreign language, is simply amazing. It is a mountain of work. Everyone should be as supportive as possible. It is no easy task. The fact that English is just the de-facto one for Open source, should not mean it has to be perfect and written by natives. If it can be understood then it has done a great job already. I clap my hands for Brenda and say keep going and thumbs up for making such a good job of it! ???! :) ACK! The new wiki-mainpage is way better than what it was before. Thanks Brenda! :-) /jOERG ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Our new Main page of wiki
First Congratulations to Brenda, the Wiki is improving all the time. I thought she had an impossible task. I think the pages are well written, in good clear English. I notice that many people, on IRC for example, for whom English is a second language, are far more meticulous in their expression than those of us who spoil English all our lives. For example the snippet from the complaint would not have been included by someone who had to *learn* English. clare On Thu, 1 May 2008, Federico Lorenzi wrote: On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 7:35 PM, Nick Guenther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sounds kind of awkward. Well, it sounds as if English is your first language, why not give renaming and editing a shot? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Our new Main page of wiki
On Fri, 2 May 2008 17:13:06 -0700 steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: indeed - it's not bad. no complaints. just observation. :) we all have got lots of things to do... :) Yes, It is a bit long. And it always has been. Brenda is working the Structure of the site ( like Edward scissorshand trimming kudzu) and I told wolfgang I would do my marketing thing on the front page. I will of course make some suggestions on organization and structure ( you know me raster ) but for now, I will let it rest, as I have other matters to attend to. The current structure is rhapsodic and so is not easily maintained, especially as new products come out. So, I'll share some thoughts later. Laconically yours, Steve -Original Message- From: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 5:03 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Cc: steve Subject: Re: Our new Main page of wiki On Fri, 2 May 2008 14:25:18 -0700 steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: seems ok to me, though a little long :) but that's how it has been for a while. :) In any case I did a quick copy edit of the front page. Have a look, I will probably polish it some more later on and add some of my writing from the .com. PS, Raster is right. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 12:55 AM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Cc: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) Subject: Re: Our new Main page of wiki Am Fr 2. Mai 2008 schrieb Carsten Haitzler: On Thu, 1 May 2008 13:35:24 -0400 Nick Guenther [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: I think it's a little ridiculous to leave it when at least she takes the initiative to do something. Sure - Brenda does not speak English as a native language. You are free to fix it up with your perfect English intuition. It is a wiki after all. Perhaps she might help you with your good, yet not so perfect chinese? :) Seriously. I have learnt several languages. I know how hard it is to speak a foreign language. It is damned hard. It's even harder when the language is of a completely different language school (i.e. European vs. Asian languages). The fact that someone can communicate as well as Brenda can, in a foreign language, is simply amazing. It is a mountain of work. Everyone should be as supportive as possible. It is no easy task. The fact that English is just the de-facto one for Open source, should not mean it has to be perfect and written by natives. If it can be understood then it has done a great job already. I clap my hands for Brenda and say keep going and thumbs up for making such a good job of it! ???! :) ACK! The new wiki-mainpage is way better than what it was before. Thanks Brenda! :-) /jOERG ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Hi, On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 4:43 PM, Dirk Deimeke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Plus thinking about the page beeing viewed mostly from users with Linux on their machines (web server stats anyone?). So it should be reviewed with linux or at least with an alternative browser. Ideally, it should be reviewed on as many platforms as possible (by platform in this context I refer to a specific browser on a specific device / operating system), in addition to the usual ones (well-known browsers on Linux / *BSD / windows) things like Opera mini[1] on mobile devices, the browser on Neo, and so on should also be used to view the web pages. I guess the community must help with this. Other than that, web pages should be designed to work the way they were intended to; automatically adaptable to any web browser, no matter what size or format it might be. Just my 2 eurocents. References: 1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opera_mini -- Regards, Torfinn Ingolfsen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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It's not just the titles that are awkward, all the text sounds kind of awkward. Brenda, don't be offended at this, but your first language is not English is it? Perhaps you should leave the content of the consumer-facing pages (at least, the ones that are in english) to someone who has English intuition. I know, Openmoko is supposed to be about Openness, but this is a little ridiculous. On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 11:24 PM, Brenda Wang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is the design environment I used. Attached file is the the look of main page design. My resolution is 1024*768 Under Windows XP IE 6.0, Mac salaries will look like the attached file.(1024*768 windows ) Under Linux Firefox 2.0.0.13/Mac Firefox 3.1, the title will turn to black. (My setting is use the default color) The wiki skin I used is Openmoko (default). Brenda Flemming Richter Mikkelsen wrote: On 4/18/08, Bastian Muck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Too big? Which resolution do you use? 300x200? Ok, with 1920x1200 many things can be too small (specially flash videos and fixed sized hps) but I think this is also in an usual resolution too small.The solution to make it bigger at my browser is not the right way i think. Many people don't have good eyes and they should also can read the menu. This is a compromise between too big and including people which use too high resolution. If you have this big resolution, and you don't have any problems on other web pages, you don't have a problem here, right? Adjusting the font size is easy (ctrl-+), except if you use IE (you have to go on View - Text size - Largest if you use IE). Some people use special glasses when they use the computer... you cannot expect this wiki to use 24pt text. People like to see more than just a few words at a time. I want to see the whole page without horizontal scrolling and the whole index table without vertical scrolling. I think I am not the only one. I do not have larger resolution that 800x600 here (very little screen), and really hate too large fonts. That is just my opinion. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Uhhhmm, yes that was very offensive (I can't speak for Brenda) but definitely offensive... But only between the It's not just the titles that are awkward and the a little ridiculous So I wouldn't take it personally. On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 1:35 PM, Nick Guenther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's not just the titles that are awkward, all the text sounds kind of awkward. Brenda, don't be offended at this, but your first language is not English is it? Perhaps you should leave the content of the consumer-facing pages (at least, the ones that are in english) to someone who has English intuition. I know, Openmoko is supposed to be about Openness, but this is a little ridiculous. On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 11:24 PM, Brenda Wang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is the design environment I used. Attached file is the the look of main page design. My resolution is 1024*768 Under Windows XP IE 6.0, Mac salaries will look like the attached file.(1024*768 windows ) Under Linux Firefox 2.0.0.13/Mac Firefox 3.1, the title will turn to black. (My setting is use the default color) The wiki skin I used is Openmoko (default). Brenda Flemming Richter Mikkelsen wrote: On 4/18/08, Bastian Muck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Too big? Which resolution do you use? 300x200? Ok, with 1920x1200 many things can be too small (specially flash videos and fixed sized hps) but I think this is also in an usual resolution too small.The solution to make it bigger at my browser is not the right way i think. Many people don't have good eyes and they should also can read the menu. This is a compromise between too big and including people which use too high resolution. If you have this big resolution, and you don't have any problems on other web pages, you don't have a problem here, right? Adjusting the font size is easy (ctrl-+), except if you use IE (you have to go on View - Text size - Largest if you use IE). Some people use special glasses when they use the computer... you cannot expect this wiki to use 24pt text. People like to see more than just a few words at a time. I want to see the whole page without horizontal scrolling and the whole index table without vertical scrolling. I think I am not the only one. I do not have larger resolution that 800x600 here (very little screen), and really hate too large fonts. That is just my opinion. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Geoff Ruscoe Sigma Visions Computer Consulting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 7:35 PM, Nick Guenther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's not just the titles that are awkward, all the text sounds kind of awkward. Brenda, don't be offended at this, but your first language is not English is it? Perhaps you should leave the content of the consumer-facing pages (at least, the ones that are in english) to someone who has English intuition. I know, Openmoko is supposed to be about Openness, but this is a little ridiculous. Well, it sounds as if English is your first language, why not give renaming and editing a shot? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On 4/18/08, Bastian Muck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... Somehow you are right. But the menufont is now much smaller than the rest. the old font of the menu is in my oppinion better. but never mind, i know about using ctrl + + and ctrl + mousewheel. i just thought, that many people could have this problem. Ohh. Maybe the menu font defined in css and not the body and table text. It is fast to check anyway. But if you cannot easily zoom all the text, I must agree with you. Other people could have the same problem and everybody should be able to read the content. The font size of the old menu was annoying me all the time. Well, we have very different views on this topic. But what about if we can both get what we want? I think that on the top it could be something like this on the page: _ _ Text size: *Small* *Huge * -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: URL:http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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I'm using 1280x1024, like probably many or the most people out there (default resolution for all 19, most 17 and some 20 inch displays). Not everybody has a WUXGA capable monitor, so if the resolution is too high and you are not capable of setting the fontsize and so on in your browser to make it fit for you: get another monitor. The wiki uses 14pt. Standard size - and also the size I use normally is 12pt. On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 1:35 AM, Bastian Muck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Too big? Which resolution do you use? 300x200? Ok, with 1920x1200 many things can be too small (specially flash videos and fixed sized hps) but I think this is also in an usual resolution too small.The solution to make it bigger at my browser is not the right way i think. Many people don't have good eyes and they should also can read the menu. Greetings Bastian thomasg schrieb: | Imho they are too big. So I tell my browser to make it smaller. You should do the same :) | | On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 6:51 PM, Bastian Muck [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | | I like the design and I thing, that the content is much better presented. But could you increase the fontsize of the menus? IMO the old fontsizes of the menus are better readable. | | Great work, | | Bastian | | | nickd schrieb: | | | i agree looks great! the side menu works with firefox 3 beta 5 now which is nice too =) (used to be all the way down the bottom for some reason) | | -nick | | | | Brenda Wang wrote: | | Hi, all: | | Here is the new main page of our wiki. | | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Test_main_page | | It will switch to Main page soon. | | Please feel free to give us your feedback . | | | | Regards | | | | Brenda | | | | ___ | | Openmoko community mailing list | | community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org | | http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community | | | | | | ___ | | Openmoko community mailing list | | community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org | | http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community | | | ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community | - | ___ | Openmoko community mailing list | community@lists.openmoko.org | http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIB96rlYiDScJJ+7QRAvQzAJ4tpbDEPWIUFMPKchzR9AcL9MknQACggbJW 2qfyxoCQN6ZVoYWsYk7J87A= =enrw -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Here is the design environment I used. Following link is how it looks like . http://picasaweb.google.com.tw/brenda0810/Wiki/photo#5190566071299160210 My resolution is 1024*768 Under Windows XP IE 6.0, Mac salaries will look like the attached file.(1024*768 windows ) Under Linux Firefox 2.0.0.13/Mac Firefox 3.1, the title will turn to black. (My setting is use the default color) The wiki skin I used is Openmoko (default). Brenda Flemming Richter Mikkelsen wrote: On 4/18/08, Bastian Muck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Too big? Which resolution do you use? 300x200? Ok, with 1920x1200 many things can be too small (specially flash videos and fixed sized hps) but I think this is also in an usual resolution too small.The solution to make it bigger at my browser is not the right way i think. Many people don't have good eyes and they should also can read the menu. This is a compromise between too big and including people which use too high resolution. If you have this big resolution, and you don't have any problems on other web pages, you don't have a problem here, right? Adjusting the font size is easy (ctrl-+), except if you use IE (you have to go on View - Text size - Largest if you use IE). Some people use special glasses when they use the computer... you cannot expect this wiki to use 24pt text. People like to see more than just a few words at a time. I want to see the whole page without horizontal scrolling and the whole index table without vertical scrolling. I think I am not the only one. I do not have larger resolution that 800x600 here (very little screen), and really hate too large fonts. That is just my opinion. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Just a thought... Perhaps it would make sense for the wiki pages to fit the horizontal resolution of the Freerunner. I would image that it may be an often visited site by the phones when people are getting started. On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 8:51 AM, Brenda Wang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is the design environment I used. Following link is how it looks like . http://picasaweb.google.com.tw/brenda0810/Wiki/photo#5190566071299160210 My resolution is 1024*768 Under Windows XP IE 6.0, Mac salaries will look like the attached file.(1024*768 windows ) Under Linux Firefox 2.0.0.13/Mac Firefox 3.1, the title will turn to black. (My setting is use the default color) The wiki skin I used is Openmoko (default). Brenda Flemming Richter Mikkelsen wrote: On 4/18/08, Bastian Muck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Too big? Which resolution do you use? 300x200? Ok, with 1920x1200 many things can be too small (specially flash videos and fixed sized hps) but I think this is also in an usual resolution too small.The solution to make it bigger at my browser is not the right way i think. Many people don't have good eyes and they should also can read the menu. This is a compromise between too big and including people which use too high resolution. If you have this big resolution, and you don't have any problems on other web pages, you don't have a problem here, right? Adjusting the font size is easy (ctrl-+), except if you use IE (you have to go on View - Text size - Largest if you use IE). Some people use special glasses when they use the computer... you cannot expect this wiki to use 24pt text. People like to see more than just a few words at a time. I want to see the whole page without horizontal scrolling and the whole index table without vertical scrolling. I think I am not the only one. I do not have larger resolution that 800x600 here (very little screen), and really hate too large fonts. That is just my opinion. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Hi, Just a thought... Perhaps it would make sense for the wiki pages to fit the horizontal resolution of the Freerunner. I would image that it may be an often visited site by the phones when people are getting started. I agree to that. Plus thinking about the page beeing viewed mostly from users with Linux on their machines (web server stats anyone?). So it should be reviewed with linux or at least with an alternative browser. Dirk ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Hi thomas,
I don't know where you get the 14pt. The font-size in the body is
x-small (which size this ever is) and the font-size of the menu is 95%
or 1.1em.
But I just discovered, that Internet Explorer and Mozilla Firefox
display different results. In IE the fontsize of the menu is totally ok.
May be, that Firefox uses primarily .portlet and IE seems to use
p-navigation.
div class='portlet' id='p-navigation'
.portlet ul {
line-height: 1.5em;
list-style-type: square;
list-style-image: url(navigation_bullet.gif);
font-size: 95%;
margin-top: 0px;
padding-top: 3px;
}
#p-navigation {
font-size: 1.1em;
}
Is it possible to fix this difference?
Greetings Bastian
thomasg schrieb:
| I'm using 1280x1024, like probably many or the most people out there
(default resolution for all 19, most 17 and some 20 inch displays). Not
everybody has a WUXGA capable monitor, so if the resolution is too high
and you are not capable of setting the fontsize and so on in your
browser to make it fit for you: get another monitor.
| The wiki uses 14pt. Standard size - and also the size I use normally
is 12pt.
|
| On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 1:35 AM, Bastian Muck [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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| Too big? Which resolution do you use? 300x200? Ok, with 1920x1200 many
things can be too small (specially flash videos and fixed sized hps) but
I think this is also in an usual resolution too small.The solution to
make it bigger at my browser is not the right way i think. Many people
don't have good eyes and they should also can read the menu.
|
| Greetings Bastian
|
| thomasg schrieb:
|
| | Imho they are too big. So I tell my browser to make it smaller. You
should do the same :)
| |
| | On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 6:51 PM, Bastian Muck [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| |
| | I like the design and I thing, that the content is much better
presented. But could you increase the fontsize of the menus? IMO the old
fontsizes of the menus are better readable.
| |
| | Great work,
| |
| | Bastian
| |
| |
| | nickd schrieb:
| |
| | | i agree looks great! the side menu works with firefox 3 beta 5 now
which is nice too =) (used to be all the way down the bottom for some
reason)
| | | -nick
| | |
| | | Brenda Wang wrote:
| | | Hi, all:
| | | Here is the new main page of our wiki.
| | | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Test_main_page
| | | It will switch to Main page soon.
| | | Please feel free to give us your feedback .
| | |
| | | Regards
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| | | Brenda
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On 4/17/08, Brenda Wang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, all: Here is the new main page of our wiki. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Test_main_page It will switch to Main page soon. Please feel free to give us your feedback . I think it looks great. Very clean and nice design:) I really like the colours and the tables. It makes the page very nice to look at. Great work!!! -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: URL:http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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i agree looks great! the side menu works with firefox 3 beta 5 now which is nice too =) (used to be all the way down the bottom for some reason) -nick Brenda Wang wrote: Hi, all: Here is the new main page of our wiki. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Test_main_page It will switch to Main page soon. Please feel free to give us your feedback . Regards Brenda ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Just a vote: I like the old one more. Am 17.04.2008 um 12:58 schrieb Ivo Anjo: Hi. Personally, I liked the old one better, and the colors on this one (mainly the background color of the tables) are pretty agressive. Ivo On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 11:28 AM, Brenda Wang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, all: Here is the new main page of our wiki. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Test_main_page It will switch to Main page soon. Please feel free to give us your feedback . Regards Brenda ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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The table colors have too little contrast, I think. It's readable, but I have to force myself to do so. On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 8:32 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just a vote: I like the old one more. Am 17.04.2008 um 12:58 schrieb Ivo Anjo: Hi. Personally, I liked the old one better, and the colors on this one (mainly the background color of the tables) are pretty agressive. Ivo On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 11:28 AM, Brenda Wang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, all: Here is the new main page of our wiki. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Test_main_page It will switch to Main page soon. Please feel free to give us your feedback . Regards Brenda ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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I agree with the other few posters on this thread so far that the colours have a bit too much contrast. Good design layout, but it is somewhat difficult to read. Another thing: Introduction for Openmoko sounds a little awkward. It already has the title on the page as Openmoko Wiki and it says Welcome to Openmoko, so there isn't really any confusion that the Introduction is for Openmoko. Good Work, Matt On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 8:49 AM, Kevin Dean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The table colors have too little contrast, I think. It's readable, but I have to force myself to do so. On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 8:32 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just a vote: I like the old one more. Am 17.04.2008 um 12:58 schrieb Ivo Anjo: Hi. Personally, I liked the old one better, and the colors on this one (mainly the background color of the tables) are pretty agressive. Ivo On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 11:28 AM, Brenda Wang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, all: Here is the new main page of our wiki. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Test_main_page It will switch to Main page soon. Please feel free to give us your feedback . Regards Brenda ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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looks great to me... the contrast make sense to put visible some items, but colors depends a lot of the used screen to watch it... so maybe a lighter grey could be better ? I think the structure is more readable now, older is more...not ticky tacky but bric-a-brac I think... informations are not jumping on your eye :) On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 3:00 PM, Matt Manjos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with the other few posters on this thread so far that the colours have a bit too much contrast. Good design layout, but it is somewhat difficult to read. Another thing: Introduction for Openmoko sounds a little awkward. It already has the title on the page as Openmoko Wiki and it says Welcome to Openmoko, so there isn't really any confusion that the Introduction is for Openmoko. Good Work, Matt On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 8:49 AM, Kevin Dean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The table colors have too little contrast, I think. It's readable, but I have to force myself to do so. On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 8:32 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just a vote: I like the old one more. Am 17.04.2008 um 12:58 schrieb Ivo Anjo: Hi. Personally, I liked the old one better, and the colors on this one (mainly the background color of the tables) are pretty agressive. Ivo On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 11:28 AM, Brenda Wang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, all: Here is the new main page of our wiki. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Test_main_page It will switch to Main page soon. Please feel free to give us your feedback . Regards Brenda ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Steven Le Roux Jabber-ID : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I like the design and I thing, that the content is much better presented. But could you increase the fontsize of the menus? IMO the old fontsizes of the menus are better readable. Great work, Bastian nickd schrieb: | i agree looks great! the side menu works with firefox 3 beta 5 now which is nice too =) (used to be all the way down the bottom for some reason) | -nick | | Brenda Wang wrote: | Hi, all: | Here is the new main page of our wiki. | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Test_main_page | It will switch to Main page soon. | Please feel free to give us your feedback . | | Regards | | Brenda | | ___ | Openmoko community mailing list | community@lists.openmoko.org | http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community | | | ___ | Openmoko community mailing list | community@lists.openmoko.org | http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community | -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIB4AilYiDScJJ+7QRAjYaAKCji3+OJIeOdE3DVIZANbSNBIr8EgCgsBzI 5OqgZEtyzkHgbWYD7mDh9/A= =4zUP -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Too big? Which resolution do you use? 300x200? Ok, with 1920x1200 many things can be too small (specially flash videos and fixed sized hps) but I think this is also in an usual resolution too small.The solution to make it bigger at my browser is not the right way i think. Many people don't have good eyes and they should also can read the menu. Greetings Bastian thomasg schrieb: | Imho they are too big. So I tell my browser to make it smaller. You should do the same :) | | On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 6:51 PM, Bastian Muck [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | | I like the design and I thing, that the content is much better presented. But could you increase the fontsize of the menus? IMO the old fontsizes of the menus are better readable. | | Great work, | | Bastian | | | nickd schrieb: | | | i agree looks great! the side menu works with firefox 3 beta 5 now which is nice too =) (used to be all the way down the bottom for some reason) | | -nick | | | | Brenda Wang wrote: | | Hi, all: | | Here is the new main page of our wiki. | | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Test_main_page | | It will switch to Main page soon. | | Please feel free to give us your feedback . | | | | Regards | | | | Brenda | | | | ___ | | Openmoko community mailing list | | community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org | | http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community | | | | | | ___ | | Openmoko community mailing list | | community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org | | http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community | | | ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community | - | ___ | Openmoko community mailing list | community@lists.openmoko.org | http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIB96rlYiDScJJ+7QRAvQzAJ4tpbDEPWIUFMPKchzR9AcL9MknQACggbJW 2qfyxoCQN6ZVoYWsYk7J87A= =enrw -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On 4/18/08, Bastian Muck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Too big? Which resolution do you use? 300x200? Ok, with 1920x1200 many things can be too small (specially flash videos and fixed sized hps) but I think this is also in an usual resolution too small.The solution to make it bigger at my browser is not the right way i think. Many people don't have good eyes and they should also can read the menu. This is a compromise between too big and including people which use too high resolution. If you have this big resolution, and you don't have any problems on other web pages, you don't have a problem here, right? Adjusting the font size is easy (ctrl-+), except if you use IE (you have to go on View - Text size - Largest if you use IE). Some people use special glasses when they use the computer... you cannot expect this wiki to use 24pt text. People like to see more than just a few words at a time. I want to see the whole page without horizontal scrolling and the whole index table without vertical scrolling. I think I am not the only one. I do not have larger resolution that 800x600 here (very little screen), and really hate too large fonts. That is just my opinion. -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: URL:http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somehow you are right. But the menufont is now much smaller than the rest. the old font of the menu is in my oppinion better. but never mind, i know about using ctrl + + and ctrl + mousewheel. i just thought, that many people could have this problem. Greetings Bastian Flemming Richter Mikkelsen schrieb: | On 4/18/08, Bastian Muck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- | Hash: SHA1 | | Too big? Which resolution do you use? 300x200? Ok, with 1920x1200 many | things can be too small (specially flash videos and fixed sized hps) but I | think this is also in an usual resolution too small.The solution to make it | bigger at my browser is not the right way i think. Many people don't have | good eyes and they should also can read the menu. | | | This is a compromise between too big and including people which use | too high resolution. If you have this big resolution, and you don't | have any problems on other web pages, you don't have a problem here, | right? | | Adjusting the font size is easy (ctrl-+), except if you use IE (you | have to go on View - Text size - Largest if you use IE). | | Some people use special glasses when they use the computer... you | cannot expect this wiki to use 24pt text. People like to see more than | just a few words at a time. I want to see the whole page without | horizontal scrolling and the whole index table without vertical | scrolling. I think I am not the only one. | | I do not have larger resolution that 800x600 here (very little | screen), and really hate too large fonts. | | That is just my opinion. | -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFICBo5lYiDScJJ+7QRAkm2AKCNIkMsQFcgrzxQtARKmgWhntO1DgCeOQ7z tTrrUoXDdcdTVQVECRbhI4A= =jh2o -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
