RE: Newbie: Converting a brick to a phone
I've been out of the loop for a while but check your kernel sound modules are loading (lsmod|grep snd). This has been a prob on more than one distribution. You may have to issue a moddep or you may not actually have the required modules. Thank you. In fact i flashed OM-testing to test a package, then flashed back SHR, and sound went back (i might have forgotten to update my kernel, or maybe it's the SHR daily build + kernel from yesterday that fixed it). Anyhow, i now have sound, and i have to say that SHR is quite nice. I also installed omnewrotate (thank you Rui for this nice piece of software), and had it to autostart with X, plus a few minor apps and it works nicely so far (haven't tested outgoing sound for echo, but i had an incoming call and echo was still there). ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] Duplicate SMS's (was Re: Newbie: Converting a brick to a phone)
On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 8:49 AM, Chris Samuel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 9 Dec 2008 9:42:19 am Micha? Brzozowski wrote: Yeah, what's the problem with duplicate messages It appears to happen on mine if I have a stuck message in my Trash (i.e. one I can't delete) and there are others in my Inbox or Trash. snip whatever the reason, it has been known since a couple of hours after the release, but more than a month later: no fix yet. It makes sms's rather useless: after 1 day of usage, I had 30 double sms's ... Franky ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Newbie: Converting a brick to a phone
Hi everyone. I've used QTExtended quite a lot, here's my two cents : * Calls to voicemail are working, like a real phone (didn't try a real call with someone), keep in mind that you can hang up with the power button if you leave the dialer Thanks for this tip, i often hit 'back' instead of 'End' so i go back to the home menu with the phone call still active.. * The phone wakes up when sleeping (when a call comes or a SMS comes) * I really like the new handwriting input module, once you know how to use it in a different language than english: - draw a triangle (lower left - lower right - up - lower left), choose the lower-left choice to disable word recognition. - draw some letters, if it doesn't recognize it, try the next one with the good gesture (lower-left - upper right - lower left) or choose from the list (double clockwise circle)(this is most useful for letters with accents) - insert special characters (double counter-clockwise circle) Some characters (like t or x are a little hard to draw, but skill improves over time, I'm now even capable of drawing an i instead of l when I want to) I learned the gesture from the settings/handwriting menu, because there was a few letters that i couldn't guess how to draw. I have to say that it's really efficient once you get used to it. The bad things: * I get SMSes more than one time in the inbox, and there's problems with SMSes in the trash * Sometimes it's acting weirdly and I have to restart QtExtended (it's faster than just rebooting), and sometimes the phone think it's charging when it's not even plugged in (so it doesn't sleep...) This charging status bug is probably the biggest showstopper currently : if you poweroff your phone or restart it, it won't be able to go into sleep mode until you have plugged it once.. And your battery will die quite fast. The I don't like things: * I don't really like the kinetic scrolling The idea behind is very neat (it's more natural) but it's a bit too slow to be actually useable * Using a word file in my language would allow me to use the handwriting more successfully Given your name, i suspect that you are french. Have a look here : http://openmoko-fr.org/forum/viewtopic.php?id=181 For non-french readers, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Keyboard_Debate#Installing_the_words.dawg_file * I think that my SD card (the one that came with the phone) is broken, the phone can't recognize it, my laptop can't either, and if it's plugged in, the SIM doesn't work The more than just a phone things: * I don't really like the music player * The GPS doesn't work * I was not able to configure GPRS and MMS I was able to configure gprs, and opkg update throught it. Quick steps : configure from the settings/internet gui. Then you need to correct the link /etc/resolv.conf, which points to /etc/ppp/resolv.conf (erroneus). Change it to - /var/ppp/resolv.conf (grep in /etc/ppp to find the script which makes the link) and you should be fine). I also had to change the phone number in the ppp config file (you can't change it from the gui). Last tip, if your phone provider doesn't need a login/password, put '*' in each field. About mms : i had a talk with Lorn, and in fact there is currently no wap browser. So, no mms. I'm back to my old phone now, but for me it's definitively improving, I'm waiting for 4.4.3/4.4.4. +1 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Newbie: Converting a brick to a phone
-Message d'origine- De : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] De la part de Markus Wachenheim SHR Works perfectly with me. I tested SHR yesterday. It gives a very good impression : the gui is very slick (especially when you like E) but i had no sound at all.. Am i the only one? No ringtone, no sound when tring to call my voice mail, no alarm.. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] Duplicate SMS's (was Re: Newbie: Converting a brick to a phone)
On Tue, 9 Dec 2008 7:26:22 pm Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: whatever the reason, it has been known since a couple of hours after the release, but more than a month later: no fix yet. It makes sms's rather useless: after 1 day of usage, I had 30 double sms's ... I only get the issue if I have undeleted SMS's left on the phone. Given I'm not a big phone user that's not hard to handle but I can imagine if you're doing lots of texting then you'd be in strife. :-( -- Chris Samuel : http://www.csamuel.org/ : Melbourne, VIC This email may come with a PGP signature as a file. Do not panic. For more info see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenPGP signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Newbie: Converting a brick to a phone
KaZeR wrote: I tested SHR yesterday. It gives a very good impression : the gui is very slick (especially when you like E) but i had no sound at all.. Am i the only one? No ringtone, no sound when tring to call my voice mail, no alarm.. I've been out of the loop for a while but check your kernel sound modules are loading (lsmod|grep snd). This has been a prob on more than one distribution. You may have to issue a moddep or you may not actually have the required modules. Sarton ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Newbie: Converting a brick to a phone
On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 17:23, Roland Whitehead [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes there are many different distributions out there but what is very clearly missing are simple, obvious instructions on how to go from a brick to a working device - just a machine that will turn on and off, will ring, answer and make calls, not hang and not have buzzing when on a call. After that, the user should be left to get on with it but I've completely failed to get to that stage despite trying 4 different distributions. I'm really talking basic here - if you have a machine that works for you, what Bootloader, Kernel and RootFS are you using and where did you get them from? What were the core applications that you loaded to make it work, where did you get them from and which versions? What were the modifications that you made to various settings files. If you have a working machine, could you blat it and rebuild it to get to the same position as you are in now? If so, would you document your process and share it with us? I don't really care which distribution at the moment - I just want one that could claim to work that I can then start developing with. I've got my Python books out ready... I installed QtExtended, previously 4.3, it was the best distribution back then, and now 4.4 (and I think it's still the best): The image links are available here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions#Images I took the images from Hypnotize (see http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-November/035245.html ) qtextended-4.4.2-gta02-rootfs-release-working-with_voip+jabber+gtalk+SystemRingTones.jffs2 from http://other.lastnetwork.net/OpenMoko/ Then the stable kernel from mwester's http://moko.mwester.net/dl.html#kernels (maybe it changed) And... well... that's all. I used it last weekend because the battery of my old phone was empty. The good things: * SMSes are working * Calls to voicemail are working, like a real phone (didn't try a real call with someone), keep in mind that you can hang up with the power button if you leave the dialer * The phone wakes up when sleeping (when a call comes or a SMS comes) * I really like the new handwriting input module, once you know how to use it in a different language than english: - draw a triangle (lower left - lower right - up - lower left), choose the lower-left choice to disable word recognition. - draw some letters, if it doesn't recognize it, try the next one with the good gesture (lower-left - upper right - lower left) or choose from the list (double clockwise circle)(this is most useful for letters with accents) - insert special characters (double counter-clockwise circle) Some characters (like t or x are a little hard to draw, but skill improves over time, I'm now even capable of drawing an i instead of l when I want to) The bad things: * I get SMSes more than one time in the inbox, and there's problems with SMSes in the trash * Sometimes it's acting weirdly and I have to restart QtExtended (it's faster than just rebooting), and sometimes the phone think it's charging when it's not even plugged in (so it doesn't sleep...) * There's the buzz issue with the wired headset The I don't like things: * I don't really like the kinetic scrolling * Using a word file in my language would allow me to use the handwriting more successfully * I think that my SD card (the one that came with the phone) is broken, the phone can't recognize it, my laptop can't either, and if it's plugged in, the SIM doesn't work The more than just a phone things: * I don't really like the music player * The GPS doesn't work * I was not able to configure GPRS and MMS I'm back to my old phone now, but for me it's definitively improving, I'm waiting for 4.4.3/4.4.4. Regards, -- Damien Thebault ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Newbie: Converting a brick to a phone
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Roland, Since I was the one claiming that WSOD was gone, I'm gonna answer that. As you should know if you skimmed through the list, there seem to be several different hardware revisions of the Freerunner, all of which have subtle differences with regard to hardware. For example some people seem to never have gotten a WSOD, while for me (up to this weekend) it was a 9 out of 10 chance that my phone would give me the WSOD on a suspend/resume cycle. Also, I understand that other issues like the echo are partly influenced by environmental issues (like what provider you are using). Am I able to tell you how to get a fully functional phone? No. It depends on your specific scenario. However, I can tell you how I got to the point where I am now - at a level where I (as a user who is not dependent on his mobile phone) can more or less reasonably use my phone without it being a brick. The process I followed was (as far as I remember - this took me ~3 months after all): Flash OM2008.9 (along with provided kernel and bootloader), install illume-config and illume-config-illume, update to testing branch, deactivate auto-screen blank/suspend, update to newest kernel. I'm not sure, whether I modified the alsa state file after flashing OM2008.9, but since echo is not gone yet this should not make a difference. To shorten the process, you'd probably be at the same state if you just flash the newest testing images. This gives me at least: - - Working calls, incoming and outgoing. Other party hears noticeable echo of his/her own voice. Call quality on my side is good, though. - - Working SMS, sending and receiving - - Working GPS (used it several times for navigation already - very useful in Venice for example) - - Working suspend - no WSOD, phone wakes up on incoming calls. - - (Probably) working WLAN (finds APs just fine, I think I connected once to my own AP, but I'm using USB networking usually) - - Unreliable accelerometers - they seem to crash sometimes. Didn't check for some time, though - this may have changed. Unconfirmed (because I don't use it at the moment): - - Bluetooth - - USB Host mode - - GPRS - - Headset - - Provider service numbers (reportedly, these seem to cause problems) Remaining nuisances: - - I've been told that the echo on a call is very irritating for the other party. - - I want Raster's keyboard back :) Apart from the echo, this is already way more than what my (very old) Nokia phone could do. And with WSOD gone, 24h of battery time should be easy to reach. I'd suppose that even 48h might be possible without problems. Hope that gives you an overview of the situation. Regards, Andreas Am 08.12.2008 17:23, Roland Whitehead schrieb: I, like a great many others I suspect, have a NeoFreerunner doing its best impression of a brick on the shelf because I just don't have the time to get it to the point where it works as a phone before I start doing what I got it for - developing additional software. Monitoring these lists and the wiki periodically produces an impetus for dusting it off and giving it another go (like this past week-end's claim that WSOD was gone) before reality sinks home and either the Neo white screens or my trusty Mac grey screens. Yes there are many different distributions out there but what is very clearly missing are simple, obvious instructions on how to go from a brick to a working device - just a machine that will turn on and off, will ring, answer and make calls, not hang and not have buzzing when on a call. After that, the user should be left to get on with it but I've completely failed to get to that stage despite trying 4 different distributions. I'm really talking basic here - if you have a machine that works for you, what Bootloader, Kernel and RootFS are you using and where did you get them from? What were the core applications that you loaded to make it work, where did you get them from and which versions? What were the modifications that you made to various settings files. If you have a working machine, could you blat it and rebuild it to get to the same position as you are in now? If so, would you document your process and share it with us? I don't really care which distribution at the moment - I just want one that could claim to work that I can then start developing with. I've got my Python books out ready... I have searched high and low through the wiki and list archives for over a month with no joy. If I've missed something blindingly obvious then perhaps you'd point me in the right direction. I guess the issue is that I'm neither a hardware hacker nor a kernel hacker but an application hacker - I'm certainly not an end user in the normal mobile phone sense but I still can't get anywhere. The temptation is just to say oh well, I'll just leave it and go and play with Android or get an iPhone but that is not what I got onto this for... Roland
Re: Newbie: Converting a brick to a phone
Hello Roland, you already have a good and detailed answer from Damien which makes very much sense. Depending on what you exactly want I anyway have some alternatives for you: SHR Works perfectly with me. Is not as fancy as QTextended but just my personal feeling is that is is more stable in the core functions: - making and receiving calls and SMS I had absolutely no issues (but I guess that differs a lot on what phone provider you use - Vodafone Germany with me), as mentioned the application is very simple so you use the SIM memory for contacts and SMS and you can only delete 1 SMS at a time etc. wifi connection to WPA2 protected WLAN works fine together with using the DNS of my router without any extra settings Suspend works but I think the battery still does not keep for too long (1 day???) but I never really took note of that so I might be completely wrong about battery life so you might just want to try this out and see if that suits your needs, more information here: http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/wiki/Get%20Started On my GTA02 v5 I am using this uImage: http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/neo1973/uImage-2.6.24+r10 +gitr6e2a723ef54ee2e739c34786981b2c508db803c1-r10-om-gta02.bin and this rootfs: http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/neo1973/shr-image-om-gta02.jffs2 And in addition I run Debian on my SD card which really gives you a lot of options and runs stable with the FSO phone stack that it comes with. You can expect exactly the same phone functionality as on SHR. But Debian is for the fun and possibilities and loads of programs - if you don't need that and don't want to bother configuring Debian to your liking you don't have to read on! Good instructions I used to install Debian on my SD card (you need an SD card, recommended min 1GB!) as the distribution is very large are in the Debian wiki: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner In addition to those instructions I had to change one setting to prevent the GSM from constantly going on and off: I had to change the /etc/frameworkd.conf file under the ogsmd section to ti_calypso_deep_sleep = never (and only if you want to play around you can have a look at the tweaks at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian#Time like how to set the time) Hope this helps you enjoying you phone freedom as I am and does not make that confusing amount of choice agein Markus Am Montag, den 08.12.2008, 18:38 +0100 schrieb Damien Thébault: On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 17:23, Roland Whitehead [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes there are many different distributions out there but what is very clearly missing are simple, obvious instructions on how to go from a brick to a working device - just a machine that will turn on and off, will ring, answer and make calls, not hang and not have buzzing when on a call. After that, the user should be left to get on with it but I've completely failed to get to that stage despite trying 4 different distributions. I'm really talking basic here - if you have a machine that works for you, what Bootloader, Kernel and RootFS are you using and where did you get them from? What were the core applications that you loaded to make it work, where did you get them from and which versions? What were the modifications that you made to various settings files. If you have a working machine, could you blat it and rebuild it to get to the same position as you are in now? If so, would you document your process and share it with us? I don't really care which distribution at the moment - I just want one that could claim to work that I can then start developing with. I've got my Python books out ready... I installed QtExtended, previously 4.3, it was the best distribution back then, and now 4.4 (and I think it's still the best): The image links are available here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions#Images I took the images from Hypnotize (see http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-November/035245.html ) qtextended-4.4.2-gta02-rootfs-release-working-with_voip+jabber+gtalk+SystemRingTones.jffs2 from http://other.lastnetwork.net/OpenMoko/ Then the stable kernel from mwester's http://moko.mwester.net/dl.html#kernels (maybe it changed) And... well... that's all. I used it last weekend because the battery of my old phone was empty. The good things: * SMSes are working * Calls to voicemail are working, like a real phone (didn't try a real call with someone), keep in mind that you can hang up with the power button if you leave the dialer * The phone wakes up when sleeping (when a call comes or a SMS comes) * I really like the new handwriting input module, once you know how to use it in a different language than english: - draw a triangle (lower left - lower right - up - lower left), choose the lower-left choice to disable word recognition. - draw some letters, if it doesn't recognize it, try the next one with the good gesture
Re: Newbie: Converting a brick to a phone
Damien Thébault wrote: The bad things: * I get SMSes more than one time in the inbox, and there's problems with SMSes in the trash Yeah, what's the problem with duplicate messages? I've seen it both in om2008 and in qtextended. Some kind of database problem? If not this, qtextended would be almost usable (if only it had a terminal emulator :-))... -- Drogowa Mapa Polski GPS w Twoim telefonie! Pobierz http://link.interia.pl/f1fc9 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Newbie: Converting a brick to a phone
On Mon, 8 Dec 2008, Roland Whitehead wrote: Yes there are many different distributions out there but what is very clearly missing are simple, obvious instructions on how to go from a brick to a working device - just a machine that will turn on and off, will ring, answer and make calls, not hang and not have buzzing when on a call. modulo the buzzing, which i never had and cannot therefore say how to get rid of, my OM running 2008.09 does all that. it's my day-to-day business and personal phone. full instructions, including the version of images i'm booting from and what i've done to fix each of the problems, are at http://www.teaparty.net/technotes/openmoko-2.html . If you have a working machine, could you blat it and rebuild it to get to the same position as you are in now? yes, i've done so twice, that's what the instructions are for. but hopefully they'll be of some use to you, too! -- Tom Yates - http://www.teaparty.net ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Newbie: Converting a brick to a phone
On Tue, 9 Dec 2008 4:38:45 am Damien Thébault wrote: * The GPS doesn't work Odd, it does on mine (QT 4.4.2), just need to give it enough time to get a lock though. -- Chris Samuel : http://www.csamuel.org/ : Melbourne, VIC This email may come with a PGP signature as a file. Do not panic. For more info see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenPGP signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
