Re: Power on device after being powered down
I think that this feature must work in close conjunction with 'auto power on' feature mentioned earlier. It will be transparent for user, provide him quiet night and save battery power... Wednesday, August 29, 2007, 8:42:55 PM, you wrote: Quoting Denis Parchenko [EMAIL PROTECTED]: How about turning itself on at a particular time, for an alarm clock feature? And how about turning itself off, for example for the night =) Well, (judging by the marketing materials) if we're going to be able to tell the phone to turn off its ringer when we get into a room dedicated for staff meetings, why couldn't we just tell the phone to power down when it detects that it's been left in the bedroom for a period of time? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community =#=-===-===#=--- - -- -=#=-- - - - - Best regards, Denis ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Power on device after being powered down
Denis Parchenko wrote: I think that this feature must work in close conjunction with 'auto power on' feature mentioned earlier. It will be transparent for user, provide him quiet night and save battery power... In principle, all this stuff can be done. It's a simple matter of programming :) You wake up either on a timer, (from suspend-RAM mode, which takes nearly no power) every 30s-5min or so, and check if 'stuff' has changed. This might even include taking a GPS reading, or asking the phone for its cell-site ID, checking for bluetooth events, ... then go back to sleep. It's looking like, with everything else off, the GSM modem uses around 28% or so of battery per day. If you want to turn everything off, including the modem, then you can, but this of course means you can't receive calls, or SMSs, and it may take a few dozen seconds to start, and several minutes to get cached SMSs. If the user has said that they want no notification of calls for a defined period (say 1AM-8AM), with no exceptions, for example for calls from family, then turning the modem off may make sense. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Power on device after being powered down
Nicolas Bougues wrote: On Monday 27 August 2007 15:15:11 Krzysztof Kajkowski wrote: I wonder that this could be serioul hickup after going public... I can already see all those frustrated users who left their phones for night and in the morning they cannot make important phone call. And they have to wait for 4 hours just to turn fast charging! That is not very practical. snip However, I never saw that happen when the device is shut off before being totally empty. So there is definetly something wrong with the neo sucking up it's power when it's supposedly off. There is. It's not there yet, it will be fixed in time. It can do 'switch off on low battery', and be 'off' for several weeks-months, while being able to respond rapidly to charger being plugged in, and charge at high rate - but this again is unimplemented. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Power on device after being powered down
Shawn Rutledge wrote: On 8/29/07, Ian Stirling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It can do 'switch off on low battery', and be 'off' for several weeks-months, while being able to respond rapidly to charger being plugged in, and charge at high rate - but this again is unimplemented. How about turning itself on at a particular time, for an alarm clock feature? Yes, the hardware supports this. And wake on assorted other hardware events. Though not (on GTA01/2) bluetooth. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Power on device after being powered down
How about turning itself on at a particular time, for an alarm clock feature? And how about turning itself off, for example for the night =) =#=-===-===#=--- - -- -=#=-- - - - - Best regards, Denis ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Power on device after being powered down
Quoting Denis Parchenko [EMAIL PROTECTED]: How about turning itself on at a particular time, for an alarm clock feature? And how about turning itself off, for example for the night =) Well, (judging by the marketing materials) if we're going to be able to tell the phone to turn off its ringer when we get into a room dedicated for staff meetings, why couldn't we just tell the phone to power down when it detects that it's been left in the bedroom for a period of time? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Power on device after being powered down
I think that this feature must work in close conjunction with 'auto power on' feature mentioned earlier. It will be transparent for user, provide him quiet night and save battery power... Wednesday, August 29, 2007, 8:42:55 PM, you wrote: Quoting Denis Parchenko [EMAIL PROTECTED]: How about turning itself on at a particular time, for an alarm clock feature? And how about turning itself off, for example for the night =) Well, (judging by the marketing materials) if we're going to be able to tell the phone to turn off its ringer when we get into a room dedicated for staff meetings, why couldn't we just tell the phone to power down when it detects that it's been left in the bedroom for a period of time? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community =#=-===-===#=--- - -- -=#=-- - - - - Best regards, Denis ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Power on device after being powered down
On Sunday 26 August 2007 19:18:16 wim delvaux wrote: I powered down my device a couple of days ago. I want to power it back on ... HOW 1. press power button for several seconds ? NOPE 2. pull out battery and do step 1 ? NOPE 3. press aux + power ? NOPE 4. Try all of the above while plugged in into the USB ? NOPE ?? W ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community W, It sounds like the device has lost it's charge. Plug it into the the charginging cable at let it charge for 4+ hours and give it another try. Unlike many of the consumer devices you may be familiar with, the Neo1973 will NOT run from solely the USB cable if the battery has been drained. To make things more frustrating, the device will only only charge in slow-mode when the device is in this state, you that is why you must plug it in for many hours. Good luck! Jason ChooseOpen.com ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Power on device after being powered down
2007/8/27, Jason Elwell [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Unlike many of the consumer devices you may be familiar with, the Neo1973 will NOT run from solely the USB cable if the battery has been drained. To make things more frustrating, the device will only only charge in slow-mode when the device is in this state, you that is why you must plug it in for many hours. I wonder that this could be serioul hickup after going public... I can already see all those frustrated users who left their phones for night and in the morning they cannot make important phone call. And they have to wait for 4 hours just to turn fast charging! That is not very practical. cayco ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Power on device after being powered down
On 27 Aug 2007, at 14:15, Krzysztof Kajkowski wrote: I wonder that this could be serioul hickup after going public... I can already see all those frustrated users who left their phones for night and in the morning they cannot make important phone call. And they have to wait for 4 hours just to turn fast charging! That is not very practical. Indeed, most people don't care about the technical reasons for it. It's to be expected that the power management when the device is switched on may be weak, but why does the battery drain so fast when it's switched off? Do we need to remove the battery to ensure the phone is definitely powered down? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Power on device after being powered down
Giles Jones wrote: Indeed, most people don't care about the technical reasons for it. It's to be expected that the power management when the device is switched on may be weak, but why does the battery drain so fast when it's switched off? My understanding is that it's a bug and/or the power management software isn't doing its job yet. Do we need to remove the battery to ensure the phone is definitely powered down? At the moment, yes. - John ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Power on device after being powered down
On Monday 27 August 2007 15:15:11 Krzysztof Kajkowski wrote: I wonder that this could be serioul hickup after going public... I can already see all those frustrated users who left their phones for night and in the morning they cannot make important phone call. And they have to wait for 4 hours just to turn fast charging! That is not very practical. Something similar happens with some HTC devices. The wizard (QTEK 9100) exhibits the same problem; when you let the phone die of power starvation, you need to plug it on a 220v powered USB charger (car lighter or computer won't do) for some time before even the charging light lights up (note that it's not a problem on my device only!). However, I never saw that happen when the device is shut off before being totally empty. So there is definetly something wrong with the neo sucking up it's power when it's supposedly off. -- Nicolas Bougues ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Power on device after being powered down
On 27 Aug 2007, at 01:18, wim delvaux wrote: I powered down my device a couple of days ago. I want to power it back on ... HOW Remove battery for 10 seconds and replace. Charge phone for 4 hours. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Power on device after being powered down
wim delvaux wrote: I powered down my device a couple of days ago. I want to power it back on ... HOW 1. press power button for several seconds ? NOPE 2. pull out battery and do step 1 ? NOPE 3. press aux + power ? NOPE 4. Try all of the above while plugged in into the USB ? NOPE ?? 5. Search the wiki for an answer ? NOPE http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Battery_Charger#Neo1973_emergency_charging -- Rod ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Power on device after being powered down
That's a good way to attract customers. Establish a nice a friendly support community. Good job. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rod Whitby Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 5:29 PM To: List for OpenMoko community discussion Subject: Re: Power on device after being powered down wim delvaux wrote: I powered down my device a couple of days ago. I want to power it back on ... HOW 1. press power button for several seconds ? NOPE 2. pull out battery and do step 1 ? NOPE 3. press aux + power ? NOPE 4. Try all of the above while plugged in into the USB ? NOPE ?? 5. Search the wiki for an answer ? NOPE http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Battery_Charger#Neo1973_emergency_char ging -- Rod ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
