Re: Buzz Fix
If you use QTmoko (you should;), try the following settings in Neocontrol: Playback: 125 Sidetone: 3 Mic2: 1 Good luck, Linus I use a slightly different set of values (thanks to http://hnet.endofinternet.net/elektro/Freerunner/ALSA/sound_setting.html): Speaker Playback: 116 Mono Playback: 120 Sidetone: 1 Mic2: 0 PS As you can see looking at /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/gsmhandset.state while using NeoControl Playback (while stating to refer to control.5: Mono Playback) refers to control.4 (Speaker Playback ). In order to change control.5 you have to edit the gsmhandset.state file manually. Regards Giacomo -- ## giacomo 'giotti' mariani gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net --recv-key 0x99bfa859 O ASCII ribbon campaign: stop HTML mail www.asciiribbon.org ## ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Buzz Fix
Le 09.03.11 03:04, Wesley Frazier a écrit : I seem to have had the missofrtune of picking up an A5. My first few calls were fine but now Ive had a lot of complaints about strange background noiseses. If you use QTmoko (you should ;), try the following settings in Neocontrol: Playback: 125 Sidetone: 3 Mic2: 1 Good luck, Linus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Buzz Fix
le Wed, 9 Mar 2011 08:55:47 +0100 Alfa21 freerun...@my.is.it a écrit: 2011-03-08@21:04 Wesley Frazier Anybody have any tips on mitigating the buzz? If I have a model with the buzz, will grabbing the GTA04 motherboard when it comes out correct it? try to low the gain of your mic with alsamixer during a call and if you like the result save the status in the scenario file(s) the drawback is you have to speak loud about gta04: it's a completely different hardware to be put inside your case, not an upgrade module for gta02 board... the only thing you keep from your current phone is just the plastic case and the display ;) (+the battery, maybe) (and I hope we don't have similar hw issues in the new gta04 too! ^_^) Nope, Hopefully the GTA04 will come with brand new issues, bugs problems. ;-D This is a joke, I'm waiting for one (to solve bugs) ! -- ALFA21 IS PROVIDED AS IS AND WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Buzz Fix
On Wed, 9 Mar 2011 09:19:13 +0100 Thomas HOCEDEZ thomas.hoce...@free.fr wrote: le Wed, 9 Mar 2011 08:55:47 +0100 Alfa21 freerun...@my.is.it a écrit: 2011-03-08@21:04 Wesley Frazier Anybody have any tips on mitigating the buzz? If I have a model with the buzz, will grabbing the GTA04 motherboard when it comes out correct it? try to low the gain of your mic with alsamixer during a call and if you like the result save the status in the scenario file(s) the drawback is you have to speak loud This worked for me on qtmoko, I was using a bluetooth headset most of the time but there are some issues with that approach. Here's a link from a previous ml posting about audio settings: http://hnet.endofinternet.net/elektro/Freerunner/ALSA/sound_setting.html Good luck Wesley! Brian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Buzz Fix
Pretty familiar with alsamixer, although what do I need to do to save the scenario file? Do you think it is worth my time to pursue getting the buzzfix or should I just wait for the GTA04 ? Whats the expected release date / price ? -- Forwarded message -- From: Alfa21 freerun...@my.is.it To: community@lists.openmoko.org Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 08:55:47 +0100 Subject: Re: Buzz Fix 2011-03-08@21:04 Wesley Frazier Anybody have any tips on mitigating the buzz? If I have a model with the buzz, will grabbing the GTA04 motherboard when it comes out correct it? try to low the gain of your mic with alsamixer during a call and if you like the result save the status in the scenario file(s) the drawback is you have to speak loud about gta04: it's a completely different hardware to be put inside your case, not an upgrade module for gta02 board... the only thing you keep from your current phone is just the plastic case and the display ;) (+the battery, maybe) (and I hope we don't have similar hw issues in the new gta04 too! ^_^) -- ALFA21 IS PROVIDED AS IS AND WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. -- Wes Frazier Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind. - Albert Einstein ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Buzz Fix
2011-03-09@12:05 Wesley Frazier Pretty familiar with alsamixer, although what do I need to do to save the scenario file? in a shell: alsactl -f /my/path/to/test.scenario store Do you think it is worth my time to pursue getting the buzzfix or should I just wait for the GTA04 ? Whats the expected release date / price ? I think you should try with the mixer. afaik there is no release date by now for the upcoming gta04. -- ALFA21 IS PROVIDED AS IS AND WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Buzz Fix
2011-03-08@21:04 Wesley Frazier Anybody have any tips on mitigating the buzz? If I have a model with the buzz, will grabbing the GTA04 motherboard when it comes out correct it? try to low the gain of your mic with alsamixer during a call and if you like the result save the status in the scenario file(s) the drawback is you have to speak loud about gta04: it's a completely different hardware to be put inside your case, not an upgrade module for gta02 board... the only thing you keep from your current phone is just the plastic case and the display ;) (+the battery, maybe) (and I hope we don't have similar hw issues in the new gta04 too! ^_^) -- ALFA21 IS PROVIDED AS IS AND WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Buzz-Fix and #1024 @ FOSDEM
Since we have been asked: this is not the official rework done by Handheld Linux (that is a paid rework company in Munich using stereo microscopes). I am just forwarding the news. Just go there, look and ask. At FOSDEM this is a really free and open hardware rework. Tuxbrain is also there, openmoko.fr is there and many others. So you can also see the Qi Nanonote and the Sharp Netwalker. Nikolaus Am 06.02.2010 um 15:38 schrieb Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller: there is now a Buzz-Fix and #1024 fix opportunity at FOSDEM. Please go to the End of the hallway with the Stands. Opposite of the Room 1301 (Sallew Leon Cornil) you will find a booth where Openmokos and Nanonotes are shown. And a nice guy is sitting there with Soldering Iron waiting for your Openmoko. Nikolaus Mobile Office Solutions by Golden Delicious Computers GmbHCo. KG Buchenstr. 3 D-82041 Oberhaching +49-89-54290367 http://www.handheld-linux.com AG München, HRA 89571 VAT DE253626266 Komplementär: Golden Delicious Computers Verwaltungs GmbH Oberhaching, AG München, HRB 16602 Geschäftsführer: Dr. Nikolaus Schaller Digital Tools for Independent People ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Handset sound volume issues (Re: Buzz fix)
-= Apertum =- i...@apertum.it writes: The fix will remove that buzz but won't fix other issues like rustling, echo or low volume. Those issues can mostly be addressed with software. The same happened to me, but i didn't find a viable software cnfiguration to use the fr as a phone. What about you? I'm really looking forward to replace my nokia N70 with fr for calls... I agree. Me too i have especially the low volume problem (i'm with QtMoko). I tried everything via mixer software, but without any success: phone calls are always with tiny volume, in an open space or also in a car, it's really difficult to ear the call. My phone it's a V6 release and without any buzzfix. Do you all understand that buzzfix has nothing to do with the volume of sounds _you_ hear? If you cramp up the volume really high but the handset speaker is still low it just means you have a unit with useless caps (R3004/R3005 which are sometimes 1uF caps). There were plenty of those. And no one can tell what hardware revisions affected. Inability to get the handset speaker emit loud sound is a clear sign. Just short those useless caps (0402 size iirc). HTH -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Handset sound volume issues (Re: Buzz fix)
* Paul Fertser wrote, Il 06/01/2010 23:20: And no one can tell what hardware revisions affected. Inability to get the handset speaker emit loud sound is a clear sign. Just short those useless caps (0402 size iirc). Thanks a lot for the info. And where is exactly located these caps, how to recognize it? (I tried to find this info on the wiki, without success :-( ) -- Andrea ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Handset sound volume issues (Re: Buzz fix)
-= Apertum =- i...@apertum.it writes: And no one can tell what hardware revisions affected. Inability to get the handset speaker emit loud sound is a clear sign. Just short those useless caps (0402 size iirc). Thanks a lot for the info. And where is exactly located these caps, how to recognize it? Under the main shield (can take as long as 20 minutes to dismount :/). At the bottom right of the sound IC, the component placement pdf is now searchable (thanks to lindi-), so you should have no problems locating those. While you're at it probably do a bassfix as well. And i really advice to provide additional isolation between the upper can lid and the components. -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Buzz fix (Was: Re: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?)
On Friday 01 January 2010 20:35:03 Jens Seidel wrote: On Fri, Jan 01, 2010 at 07:26:37PM +0100, Esben Damgaard wrote: Yes and no. I have two Freerunners (and a gta01 that collects dust). One without buzzfix. Using it for testing, programming and playing. Other one with buzzfix and using it as primary phone. I'm curious, do you notice any difference between the buzz fixed one and the other? I read that only a few phones are affected by the buzz problem but nearly all (including the buzz fixed ones) have major problems with audio quality (noise, echo). I own a rev. A5 freerunner and was seriously affected by the buzz problem. After applying the hardware fix the audio quality improved a lot. Before the fix there was no chance to use the FR as a phone. However, the audio quality was never as good as on a friends rev A7 FR (without buzz-fix). I did a lot of experimenting and tweaking with all possible audio parameters but the volume has always been either too low or distorted. He just uses the default audio configs and has nearly no problems with sound quality. So I wonder whether it's worth to get such a fix. It is definetly worth it if you, or better said your call partner expierences a rather loud buzz. The fix will remove that buzz but won't fix other issues like rustling, echo or low volume. Those issues can mostly be addressed with software. Hope that helps, Michael signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Buzz fix (Was: Re: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?)
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 6:53 PM, Michael Zanetti michael_zane...@gmx.netwrote: On Friday 01 January 2010 20:35:03 Jens Seidel wrote: On Fri, Jan 01, 2010 at 07:26:37PM +0100, Esben Damgaard wrote: Yes and no. I have two Freerunners (and a gta01 that collects dust). One without buzzfix. Using it for testing, programming and playing. Other one with buzzfix and using it as primary phone. I'm curious, do you notice any difference between the buzz fixed one and the other? I read that only a few phones are affected by the buzz problem but nearly all (including the buzz fixed ones) have major problems with audio quality (noise, echo). I own a rev. A5 freerunner and was seriously affected by the buzz problem. After applying the hardware fix the audio quality improved a lot. Before the fix there was no chance to use the FR as a phone. However, the audio quality was never as good as on a friends rev A7 FR (without buzz-fix). I did a lot of experimenting and tweaking with all possible audio parameters but the volume has always been either too low or distorted. He just uses the default audio configs and has nearly no problems with sound quality. So I wonder whether it's worth to get such a fix. It is definetly worth it if you, or better said your call partner expierences a rather loud buzz. The fix will remove that buzz but won't fix other issues like rustling, echo or low volume. Those issues can mostly be addressed with software. The fix will remove that buzz but won't fix other issues like rustling, echo or low volume. Those issues can mostly be addressed with software. The same happened to me, but i didn't find a viable software cnfiguration to use the fr as a phone. What about you? I'm really looking forward to replace my nokia N70 with fr for calls... d Hope that helps, Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Buzz fix (Was: Re: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?)
* Davide Scaini wrote, Il 04/01/2010 23:05: The fix will remove that buzz but won't fix other issues like rustling, echo or low volume. Those issues can mostly be addressed with software. The same happened to me, but i didn't find a viable software cnfiguration to use the fr as a phone. What about you? I'm really looking forward to replace my nokia N70 with fr for calls... I agree. Me too i have especially the low volume problem (i'm with QtMoko). I tried everything via mixer software, but without any success: phone calls are always with tiny volume, in an open space or also in a car, it's really difficult to ear the call. My phone it's a V6 release and without any buzzfix. Any suggestion? -- Andrea ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Buzz fix (Was: Re: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?)
On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Jens Seidel jenssei...@users.sf.net wrote: I'm curious, do you notice any difference between the buzz fixed one and the other? I read that only a few phones are affected by the buzz problem but nearly all (including the buzz fixed ones) have major problems with audio quality (noise, echo). im curious how many people have played around with there mickeyterm settings. my phones audio is just as bad as any other phone ive had. not buzz fix. with audio as low as it may be. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Buzz fix party at Debconf09 pics aviable :)
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 12:05:19AM +0200, David Reyes Samblas Martinez wrote: There are some more from other camera unpublished yet but a great bunch of them are avialable with comments in spanish and english english version here http://www.tuxbrain.com/en/content/there-and-back-againtuxbrain-debconf09-pics I'm working on the subtitles of the vids I hope I can finish them soon Are you getting my emails? There's a serious problem... Rui ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Buzz fix party at Debconf09 pics aviable :)
2009/8/17 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org: On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 12:05:19AM +0200, David Reyes Samblas Martinez wrote: There are some more from other camera unpublished yet but a great bunch of them are avialable with comments in spanish and english english version here http://www.tuxbrain.com/en/content/there-and-back-againtuxbrain-debconf09-pics I'm working on the subtitles of the vids I hope I can finish them soon Are you getting my emails? There's a serious problem... Rui Hey I'm trying to reach you trough private mail have you receive it? I have not receive anything from you ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable embedded solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, Arduino Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Buzz fix party at Debconf09 pics aviable :)
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 01:31:59PM +0200, David Reyes Samblas Martinez wrote: 2009/8/17 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org: On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 12:05:19AM +0200, David Reyes Samblas Martinez wrote: There are some more from other camera unpublished yet but a great bunch of them are avialable with comments in spanish and english english version here http://www.tuxbrain.com/en/content/there-and-back-againtuxbrain-debconf09-pics I'm working on the subtitles of the vids I hope I can finish them soon Are you getting my emails? There's a serious problem... Rui Hey I'm trying to reach you trough private mail have you receive it? I have not receive anything from you I received your email, but since you're not receiving mine, I'll try to email you through gmail. Rui ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Buzz fix party at Debconf09 pics aviable :)
I'm reading this. Is that what your asking? Cheers Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - Rui Miguel Silva Seabra escribió: On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 12:05:19AM +0200, David Reyes Samblas Martinez wrote: There are some more from other camera unpublished yet but a great bunch of them are avialable with comments in spanish and english english version here http://www.tuxbrain.com/en/content/there-and-back-againtuxbrain-debconf09-pics I'm working on the subtitles of the vids I hope I can finish them soon Are you getting my emails? There's a serious problem... Rui ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Buzz fix party at Debconf09 pics aviable :)
Dnia 2009-08-11, wto o godzinie 12:16 +0200, Davide Scaini pisze: ...i want it fixed too!!! is there somewhere in europe where i can send my fr for fix? You could in the past - read Community Updates: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/June_25%2C_2009 I do not know if it is still possible to send FR for fix, but you can try - let us know if you succeed. -- Kind Regards Patryk Benderz IT Specialist Linux Registered User #377521 +48 22 538 6292 ERSTE Securities Polska S.A. ul. Królewska 16 Warszawa 00-103 KRS 065121 NIP 526-10-27-638 REGON 011136053 Kapitał akcyjny: 15.500.000 złotych (w pełni opłacony) This message and any attached files are confidential and intended solely for the addressee(s). Any publication, transmission or other use of the information by a person or entity other than the intended addressee is prohibited. If you receive this in error please contact the sender and delete the material. The sender does not accept liability for any errors or omissions as a result of the transmission. Email secured by Check Point ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Buzz fix party at Debconf09 pics aviable :)
is there somewhere in europe where i can send my fr for fix? I know this is a long shot, but anyone know of a place that does bug fixing in Africa ( hopefully South Africa ) ? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Buzz fix party at Debconf09 pics aviable :)
David Samblas Martinez wrote: There are some more from other camera unpublished yet but a great bunch of them are avialable with comments in spanish and english english version here http://www.tuxbrain.com/en/content/there-and-back-againtuxbrain-debconf09-pics I'm working on the subtitles of the vids I hope I can finish them soon Very nice pics :) -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Buzz-fix-party-at-Debconf09-pics-aviable-%3A%29-tp3420258p3443937.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Buzz fix party at Debconf09 pics aviable :)
On 14 Aug 2009, at 10:04, Patryk Benderz wrote: Dnia 2009-08-11, wto o godzinie 12:16 +0200, Davide Scaini pisze: ...i want it fixed too!!! is there somewhere in europe where i can send my fr for fix? You could in the past - read Community Updates: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/June_25%2C_2009 I do not know if it is still possible to send FR for fix, but you can try - let us know if you succeed. I assume that handheld-linux.com are reputable. They announce the Buzz Fix resumes in 10 days time: http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=Buzz-Rework From where I'm standing it feels like the handling of the buzz fix is / was a bit of a piss-take. The was no post to the announce list, the UK supplier didn't bother to email me about it. Because I happened not to be reading the mailing lists at the time, I knew nothing about it. I don't know if the subsidisation of this that Openmoko made is actually worth anything: the €3 charged is nothing compared to the postage. I kinda really resent Openmoko for that. Am I being unreasonable? I guess I should just count myself lucky that I managed to find out about this in time, whilst the repair is still available at all. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Buzz fix party at Debconf09 pics aviable :)
David Reyes Samblas Martinez a écrit : There are some more from other camera unpublished yet but a great bunch of them are avialable with comments in spanish and english english version here http://www.tuxbrain.com/en/content/there-and-back-againtuxbrain-debconf09-pics I'm working on the subtitles of the vids I hope I can finish them soon Nice pics ! Now I need one of these Debian bottle of wine... Xavier. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Buzz fix party at Debconf09 pics aviable :)
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 12:05:19AM +0200, David Reyes Samblas Martinez wrote: There are some more from other camera unpublished yet but a great bunch of them are avialable with comments in spanish and english english version here http://www.tuxbrain.com/en/content/there-and-back-againtuxbrain-debconf09-pics I'm working on the subtitles of the vids I hope I can finish them soon There's also http://picasaweb.google.com/RuiMSeabra/DebConf9OpenMokoBuzzFixParty Rui -- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Buzz fix party at Debconf09 pics aviable :)
...i want it fixed too!!! is there somewhere in europe where i can send my fr for fix? thanks d ps: nice pictures, very geek meeting On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.orgwrote: On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 12:05:19AM +0200, David Reyes Samblas Martinez wrote: There are some more from other camera unpublished yet but a great bunch of them are avialable with comments in spanish and english english version here http://www.tuxbrain.com/en/content/there-and-back-againtuxbrain-debconf09-pics I'm working on the subtitles of the vids I hope I can finish them soon There's also http://picasaweb.google.com/RuiMSeabra/DebConf9OpenMokoBuzzFixParty Rui -- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Buzz fix party Barcelona, the movie
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 12:54:02AM +0400, Paul Fertser wrote: Hm, i'm sorry but how to actually see the movie? The link David mentions leads only to some blog post with a picture, text and a link to some swf :-/ I think it's this one (in three different resolutions): http://www.dailymotion.com/cdn/FLV-80x60/video/x9snk3?key=8a04a19aba46505a407d1fce1b492fce13d8710 http://www.dailymotion.com/cdn/FLV-320x240/video/x9snk3?key=8a04a19aba46505a407d1fce1b492fce13d8710 http://www.dailymotion.com/cdn/H264-512x384/video/x9snk3?key=8a04a19aba46505a407d1fce1b492fce13d8710 It's been a while since I've last seen a C= t-shirt anywhere. -- Rask Ingemann Lambertsen Danish law requires addresses in e-mail to be logged and stored for a year ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Buzz fix party Barcelona, the movie
David Reyes Samblas Martinez a écrit : Shame on me for been so late but better late than never, I have uploaded the video we make at Barcelona Buzz fix party and also make subtitles in english , sure it can be improved but at least I believe it will let you follow the conversations. http://www.tuxbrain.com/en/content/buzz-fix-party-barcelona-movie I hope you enjoy it as much as we in the party. For your info DS=David Samblas VR=Victor Remolina RC=Rafael Campos JPL=Jose Luis Perez Diez PE=Pau Espin S= Sergi A=Alberto ?=I don't know who was talking Thanks a lot for this really interesting video ! /swap38 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Buzz fix party Barcelona, the movie
swap38 swa...@openmoko-fr.org writes: David Reyes Samblas Martinez a écrit : Shame on me for been so late but better late than never, I have uploaded the video we make at Barcelona Buzz fix party and also make subtitles in english , sure it can be improved but at least I believe it will let you follow the conversations. http://www.tuxbrain.com/en/content/buzz-fix-party-barcelona-movie Thanks a lot for this really interesting video ! Hm, i'm sorry but how to actually see the movie? The link David mentions leads only to some blog post with a picture, text and a link to some swf :-/ -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The real gsmhandset.state [was: Re: Buzz fix difficulty [was Re: US Buzz/GPS Fix]]
Am Sa 2. Mai 2009 schrieb Matthias Apitz: El día Saturday, May 02, 2009 a las 03:54:55AM +0200, Joerg Reisenweber escribió: The one and only *real* gsmhandset.state (for all FR!): http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/attachment/ticket/2121/gsmhandset-a7.state :-) I've tried this yesterday and for me it gives a strong, no tolerable, local echo, even acoustic feedback between micro y speaker; sorry for not giving positiv feedback :-( Echo can't be controlled by adjusting mixer settings. It needs AT%N correct modem init. How can I do that in Om2008.9? Thx Maybe backport the changes that were introduced to OM2008.12 wrt AT%N? AFAIK there's no working support for this in OM2008.9. I suggest you use a more recent distro, preferably one based on FSO. /j signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The real gsmhandset.state [was: Re: Buzz fix difficulty [was Re: US Buzz/GPS Fix]]
Am Mi 29. April 2009 schrieb Matthias Apitz: El día Tuesday, April 28, 2009 a las 04:13:22PM +0200, Joerg Reisenweber escribió: The one and only *real* gsmhandset.state (for all FR!): http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/attachment/ticket/2121/gsmhandset-a7.state :-) I've tried this yesterday and for me it gives a strong, no tolerable, local echo, even acoustic feedback between micro y speaker; sorry for not giving positiv feedback :-( Echo can't be controlled by adjusting mixer settings. It needs AT%N correct modem init. /j signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The real gsmhandset.state [was: Re: Buzz fix difficulty [was Re: US Buzz/GPS Fix]]
Am Mi 29. April 2009 schrieb David Reyes Samblas Martinez: The buzz fix also lowers the sensibility of the microphone avoiding the echo issue if the speaker volume is raised, I guess that is the problem and that why I only recomend this alsa state to A7 or Buzzfixed A6-A5 No it should work for non-fixed GTA02 as well as for fixed ones. See http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2121#comment:2. Though your remark regarding sensitivity is correct, anyway the conclusion isn't /j signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The real gsmhandset.state [was: Re: Buzz fix difficulty [was Re: US Buzz/GPS Fix]]
El día Saturday, May 02, 2009 a las 03:54:55AM +0200, Joerg Reisenweber escribió: The one and only *real* gsmhandset.state (for all FR!): http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/attachment/ticket/2121/gsmhandset-a7.state :-) I've tried this yesterday and for me it gives a strong, no tolerable, local echo, even acoustic feedback between micro y speaker; sorry for not giving positiv feedback :-( Echo can't be controlled by adjusting mixer settings. It needs AT%N correct modem init. How can I do that in Om2008.9? Thx matthias -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e matthias.ap...@oclc.org - w http://www.oclc.org/ http://www.UnixArea.de/ People who hate Microsoft Windows use Linux but people who love UNIX use FreeBSD. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The real gsmhandset.state [was: Re: Buzz fix difficulty [was Re: US Buzz/GPS Fix]]
Did you have the buzz fix applied? 2009/4/29 Matthias Apitz g...@unixarea.de: El día Tuesday, April 28, 2009 a las 04:13:22PM +0200, Joerg Reisenweber escribió: The one and only *real* gsmhandset.state (for all FR!): http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/attachment/ticket/2121/gsmhandset-a7.state :-) I've tried this yesterday and for me it gives a strong, no tolerable, local echo, even acoustic feedback between micro y speaker; sorry for not giving positiv feedback :-( interesting is the change in cotrol.63, will try with this to adjust some other values to reduce the acoustic feedback; matthias -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e matthias.ap...@oclc.org - w http://www.oclc.org/ http://www.UnixArea.de/ People who hate Microsoft Windows use Linux but people who love UNIX use FreeBSD. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable embedded solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, GP2X the Wiz, Letux 400, Arduino Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The real gsmhandset.state [was: Re: Buzz fix difficulty [was Re: US Buzz/GPS Fix]]
El día Wednesday, April 29, 2009 a las 08:44:33AM +0200, David Reyes Samblas Martinez escribió: Did you have the buzz fix applied? No. I have an original, hardware-unmodified GTA02v6 with Om2008.9 matthias -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e matthias.ap...@oclc.org - w http://www.oclc.org/ http://www.UnixArea.de/ People who hate Microsoft Windows use Linux but people who love UNIX use FreeBSD. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The real gsmhandset.state [was: Re: Buzz fix difficulty [was Re: US Buzz/GPS Fix]]
The buzz fix also lowers the sensibility of the microphone avoiding the echo issue if the speaker volume is raised, I guess that is the problem and that why I only recomend this alsa state to A7 or Buzzfixed A6-A5 2009/4/29 Matthias Apitz g...@unixarea.de: El día Wednesday, April 29, 2009 a las 08:44:33AM +0200, David Reyes Samblas Martinez escribió: Did you have the buzz fix applied? No. I have an original, hardware-unmodified GTA02v6 with Om2008.9 matthias -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e matthias.ap...@oclc.org - w http://www.oclc.org/ http://www.UnixArea.de/ People who hate Microsoft Windows use Linux but people who love UNIX use FreeBSD. -- David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable embedded solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, GP2X the Wiz, Letux 400, Arduino Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The real gsmhandset.state [was: Re: Buzz fix difficulty [was Re: US Buzz/GPS Fix]]
The one and only *real* gsmhandset.state (for all FR!): http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/attachment/ticket/2121/gsmhandset-a7.state maybe i am too stupid -- but has someone a link that allows downloading that file as plain text? all i get is a html file holding the single lines in a table and cp from the browser copies those nasty line numbers as well ... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The real gsmhandset.state [was: Re: Buzz fix difficulty [was Re: US Buzz/GPS Fix]]
El día Wednesday, April 29, 2009 a las 05:30:15PM +0200, arne anka escribió: The one and only *real* gsmhandset.state (for all FR!): http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/attachment/ticket/2121/gsmhandset-a7.state maybe i am too stupid -- but has someone a link that allows downloading that file as plain text? all i get is a html file holding the single lines in a table and cp from the browser copies those nasty line numbers as well ... go to the end of the page; there is a download link; matthias -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e matthias.ap...@oclc.org - w http://www.oclc.org/ http://www.UnixArea.de/ People who hate Microsoft Windows use Linux but people who love UNIX use FreeBSD. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
The real gsmhandset.state [was: Re: Buzz fix difficulty [was Re: US Buzz/GPS Fix]]
Am Do 23. April 2009 schrieb David Reyes Samblas Martinez: 2009/4/22 Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi: off-topic but just to let everyone know that I got mine fixed today, a friend of mine with 'Advanced Soldering Skills' did it and it really seems to do the trick. Seeing him struggle with it (btw. the resistor is not only soldered but also glued - not that easy to remove..) I wouldn't recommend anyone with only little experience try it. In a way it's difficult to really break things (yes, you might fill all the gaps between the components with the solder but ~its possible to remove) but.. you don't want to do it, you'll just make you feel bad but I warmly welcome everyone to get it fixed to be able to use your freerunner to actually call people :) +1 on not to try without proper equipment and skills,components involved are really really small +1on encourage anyone able to do it by himself or by anyone else to do it. Buzz fix+a7 alsa states=more than acceptable audio quality and volume The one and only *real* gsmhandset.state (for all FR!): http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/attachment/ticket/2121/gsmhandset-a7.state :-) check control.63 and compare with your statefile! see: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_Freerunner_audio_subsystem#Alsamixer_channel_controls /j signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The real gsmhandset.state [was: Re: Buzz fix difficulty [was Re: US Buzz/GPS Fix]]
On Вторник 28 апреля 2009 18:13:22 Joerg Reisenweber wrote: Am Do 23. April 2009 schrieb David Reyes Samblas Martinez: 2009/4/22 Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi: off-topic but just to let everyone know that I got mine fixed today, a friend of mine with 'Advanced Soldering Skills' did it and it really seems to do the trick. Seeing him struggle with it (btw. the resistor is not only soldered but also glued - not that easy to remove..) I wouldn't recommend anyone with only little experience try it. In a way it's difficult to really break things (yes, you might fill all the gaps between the components with the solder but ~its possible to remove) but.. you don't want to do it, you'll just make you feel bad but I warmly welcome everyone to get it fixed to be able to use your freerunner to actually call people :) +1 on not to try without proper equipment and skills,components involved are really really small +1on encourage anyone able to do it by himself or by anyone else to do it. Buzz fix+a7 alsa states=more than acceptable audio quality and volume The one and only *real* gsmhandset.state (for all FR!): http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/attachment/ticket/2121/gsmhandset-a7.state :-) check control.63 and compare with your statefile! see: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_Freerunner_audio_subsystem#Alsamixer_chan nel_controls /j Heh. Thanks! this alsa scenario works fine with GTA02 A6 + Buzz fix =) (tested with 4 phones) -- Alexey 'Alexxy' Shvetsov Gentoo Team Ru signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The real gsmhandset.state [was: Re: Buzz fix difficulty [was Re: US Buzz/GPS Fix]]
2009/4/28 Joerg Reisenweber jo...@openmoko.org: Am Do 23. April 2009 schrieb David Reyes Samblas Martinez: 2009/4/22 Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi: off-topic but just to let everyone know that I got mine fixed today, a friend of mine with 'Advanced Soldering Skills' did it and it really seems to do the trick. Seeing him struggle with it (btw. the resistor is not only soldered but also glued - not that easy to remove..) I wouldn't recommend anyone with only little experience try it. In a way it's difficult to really break things (yes, you might fill all the gaps between the components with the solder but ~its possible to remove) but.. you don't want to do it, you'll just make you feel bad but I warmly welcome everyone to get it fixed to be able to use your freerunner to actually call people :) +1 on not to try without proper equipment and skills,components involved are really really small +1on encourage anyone able to do it by himself or by anyone else to do it. Buzz fix+a7 alsa states=more than acceptable audio quality and volume The one and only *real* gsmhandset.state (for all FR!): http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/attachment/ticket/2121/gsmhandset-a7.state :-) Yes that's exactly the one I use. Real cool work, since the fix and this state file I use the neo as day by day phone finally (shr testing of course ;) ) check control.63 and compare with your statefile! see: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_Freerunner_audio_subsystem#Alsamixer_channel_controls /j -- David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable embedded solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, GP2X the Wiz, Letux 400, Arduino Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The real gsmhandset.state [was: Re: Buzz fix difficulty [was Re: US Buzz/GPS Fix]]
El día Tuesday, April 28, 2009 a las 04:13:22PM +0200, Joerg Reisenweber escribió: The one and only *real* gsmhandset.state (for all FR!): http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/attachment/ticket/2121/gsmhandset-a7.state :-) I've tried this yesterday and for me it gives a strong, no tolerable, local echo, even acoustic feedback between micro y speaker; sorry for not giving positiv feedback :-( interesting is the change in cotrol.63, will try with this to adjust some other values to reduce the acoustic feedback; matthias -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e matthias.ap...@oclc.org - w http://www.oclc.org/ http://www.UnixArea.de/ People who hate Microsoft Windows use Linux but people who love UNIX use FreeBSD. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: buzz fix
looks like the wire is too long. See the photo in the SOP. Also, looks like he didnt remove the rubber around the mic before working on it. Just a guess. Joerg will respond I'm sure. Peter Stumm wrote: Hello, a good friend does the buzz fix for me, but after doing that there is still a buzz, think it's a little bit quiter. here are a few pictures after the buzz http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/845779/neo1.JPG http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/845779/neo2.JPG http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/845779/neo3.JPG http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/845779/neo4.JPG can you say me whats wrong? thanks peter Am Mittwoch, den 04.03.2009, 09:09 +0100 schrieb Joerg Reisenweber: Am Di 27. Januar 2009 schrieb Paul Fertser: Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk writes: On Monday 26 January 2009, Christoph Siegenthaler wrote: are there any updates from resellers, FIC or any half-official DIY-tutorials on the hardware problems, i.e. the buzzing? This appears to have benefited from feedback regarding capacitor types from the few people so far to have attempted the mod, The feedback is that: you can use any cap, including tantalum. :) but more feedback is requested. The lack of feedback from people trying it may be why it hasn't yet made it past release candidate stage. No more feedback is really needed. Everyone who performed the rework confirmed that it eliminates the buzz. No single negative report. And i guess at least 10-20 people have already tried the rework. So, the reason that no reseller is doing it yet is probably due to communication/business issues rather than technical. Exactly. I'm not in charge any more to push this fix, but to me it seems we really don't need to quantify how much it improves buzz-issue. The cause and ways to creep in of buzz are well understood by now by some guys at least (and NO it's NOT the mic catching RF near antenna, it's pin4 of hs-jack), the bigC-rework is evidently (based on empiric and EE basics) eliminating the ripple we see on MICBIAS, and a gsmhandset.state file correctly using differential input mode (control.63 value Mic 2) won't break audio function from unfixed to buzzfixed FR. Also we don't need any sophisticated test procedure, as * all devices are prone to buzz issue, so we don't need to prove there is buzz before fix * the big-C rework will either kill the buzz or you find you did sth wrong and mic stops to work. So any engineer doing the actual fix doesn't need any sophisticated fix succeeded test more complicated than that involved in replacing a lightbulb. Test call - works - fine. cheers jOERG ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: buzz fix
Hello, a good friend does the buzz fix for me, but after doing that there is still a buzz, think it's a little bit quiter. here are a few pictures after the buzz http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/845779/neo1.JPG http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/845779/neo2.JPG http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/845779/neo3.JPG http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/845779/neo4.JPG can you say me whats wrong? thanks peter Am Mittwoch, den 04.03.2009, 09:09 +0100 schrieb Joerg Reisenweber: Am Di 27. Januar 2009 schrieb Paul Fertser: Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk writes: On Monday 26 January 2009, Christoph Siegenthaler wrote: are there any updates from resellers, FIC or any half-official DIY-tutorials on the hardware problems, i.e. the buzzing? This appears to have benefited from feedback regarding capacitor types from the few people so far to have attempted the mod, The feedback is that: you can use any cap, including tantalum. :) but more feedback is requested. The lack of feedback from people trying it may be why it hasn't yet made it past release candidate stage. No more feedback is really needed. Everyone who performed the rework confirmed that it eliminates the buzz. No single negative report. And i guess at least 10-20 people have already tried the rework. So, the reason that no reseller is doing it yet is probably due to communication/business issues rather than technical. Exactly. I'm not in charge any more to push this fix, but to me it seems we really don't need to quantify how much it improves buzz-issue. The cause and ways to creep in of buzz are well understood by now by some guys at least (and NO it's NOT the mic catching RF near antenna, it's pin4 of hs-jack), the bigC-rework is evidently (based on empiric and EE basics) eliminating the ripple we see on MICBIAS, and a gsmhandset.state file correctly using differential input mode (control.63 value Mic 2) won't break audio function from unfixed to buzzfixed FR. Also we don't need any sophisticated test procedure, as * all devices are prone to buzz issue, so we don't need to prove there is buzz before fix * the big-C rework will either kill the buzz or you find you did sth wrong and mic stops to work. So any engineer doing the actual fix doesn't need any sophisticated fix succeeded test more complicated than that involved in replacing a lightbulb. Test call - works - fine. cheers jOERG ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: buzz fix
Am Di 31. März 2009 schrieb Peter Stumm: Hello, a good friend does the buzz fix for me, but after doing that there is still a buzz, think it's a little bit quiter. here are a few pictures after the buzz http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/845779/neo1.JPG http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/845779/neo2.JPG http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/845779/neo3.JPG http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/845779/neo4.JPG can you say me whats wrong? thanks peter Hi Peter, I'm really sorry it didn't work for you on first shot. The main problem with your fix seems to be the extremely long wires catching more RF which is creating noise directly in mic, than the whole rework is reducing noise introduced by MICBIAS ripple. The recommendations to keep the wires *as short as possible* and run them *close to PCB (GND) surface* were chosen to avoid exactly this problem. Probably you should replace the 0603 (0804?) big R4303 by a fitting 0402 and place this one on the pads directly so no wire is needed to contact it. You might keep the capacitor but you need to replace this wire with a short one as well. If you got problems to find correct components don't hesitate to ask me to send some to you. Contact me either via private mail or on IRC freenode #openmoko DocScrutinizer HTH good luck /j signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: buzz fix
Am Di 27. Januar 2009 schrieb Paul Fertser: Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk writes: On Monday 26 January 2009, Christoph Siegenthaler wrote: are there any updates from resellers, FIC or any half-official DIY-tutorials on the hardware problems, i.e. the buzzing? This appears to have benefited from feedback regarding capacitor types from the few people so far to have attempted the mod, The feedback is that: you can use any cap, including tantalum. :) but more feedback is requested. The lack of feedback from people trying it may be why it hasn't yet made it past release candidate stage. No more feedback is really needed. Everyone who performed the rework confirmed that it eliminates the buzz. No single negative report. And i guess at least 10-20 people have already tried the rework. So, the reason that no reseller is doing it yet is probably due to communication/business issues rather than technical. Exactly. I'm not in charge any more to push this fix, but to me it seems we really don't need to quantify how much it improves buzz-issue. The cause and ways to creep in of buzz are well understood by now by some guys at least (and NO it's NOT the mic catching RF near antenna, it's pin4 of hs-jack), the bigC-rework is evidently (based on empiric and EE basics) eliminating the ripple we see on MICBIAS, and a gsmhandset.state file correctly using differential input mode (control.63 value Mic 2) won't break audio function from unfixed to buzzfixed FR. Also we don't need any sophisticated test procedure, as * all devices are prone to buzz issue, so we don't need to prove there is buzz before fix * the big-C rework will either kill the buzz or you find you did sth wrong and mic stops to work. So any engineer doing the actual fix doesn't need any sophisticated fix succeeded test more complicated than that involved in replacing a lightbulb. Test call - works - fine. cheers jOERG signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Pulster fixe(s) and rework (was: Re: buzz fix)
Am So 11. Januar 2009 schrieb Alexandre Ghisoli: Le Sun, 11 Jan 2009 19:07:40 +0100, Konstantin chaosspaw...@gmx.net a écrit : Matthias Apitz schrieb: Hello Christoph, Could you please also make an offer for the hardware buzz fix in DE: http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/GSM_EMI_noise/big-C_rework_SOP_rc2.pdf Would be great! Thx matthias (one of your happy GTA02 customers) I second this one - offering the hardware fix for the freerunner would be great :) Regards, Konstantin (One of your other happy GTA02 customers ;) ) Yes, hardware fixes (rework) made by resellers would be great. By fixes, I mean : * GPS - SDIO fix (add a capacitor if I remember correctly) There's a sw-fix for that, which mostly just works * Add a GSM IR resistor for deep sleep Huh? * Change the led transistor power hungry stuff Guys, this has been fixed for *ALL* FR ever sold!!! * fix the GSM buzz ok, agree here. * ... ??? /j signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: buzz fix
On Wed, 4 Mar 2009 09:09:50 +0100 Joerg Reisenweber jo...@openmoko.org (JR) wrote: Am Di 27. Januar 2009 schrieb Paul Fertser: Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk writes: On Monday 26 January 2009, Christoph Siegenthaler wrote: are there any updates from resellers, FIC or any half-official DIY-tutorials on the hardware problems, i.e. the buzzing? This appears to have benefited from feedback regarding capacitor types from the few people so far to have attempted the mod, The feedback is that: you can use any cap, including tantalum. :) but more feedback is requested. The lack of feedback from people trying it may be why it hasn't yet made it past release candidate stage. No more feedback is really needed. Everyone who performed the rework confirmed that it eliminates the buzz. No single negative report. And i guess at least 10-20 people have already tried the rework. So, the reason that no reseller is doing it yet is probably due to communication/business issues rather than technical. Exactly. I'm not in charge any more to push this fix, but to me it seems we really don't need to quantify how much it improves buzz-issue. The cause and ways to creep in of buzz are well understood by now by some guys at least (and NO it's NOT the mic catching RF near antenna, it's pin4 of hs-jack), the bigC-rework is evidently (based on empiric and EE basics) eliminating the ripple we see on MICBIAS, and a gsmhandset.state file correctly using differential input mode (control.63 value Mic 2) won't break audio function from unfixed to buzzfixed FR. Also we don't need any sophisticated test procedure, as * all devices are prone to buzz issue, so we don't need to prove there is buzz before fix * the big-C rework will either kill the buzz or you find you did sth wrong and mic stops to work. So any engineer doing the actual fix doesn't need any sophisticated fix succeeded test more complicated than that involved in replacing a lightbulb. Test call - works - fine. cheers jOERG Hi, i am planning to do this on two units possibly (80%) this friday, i have one unit with and other without the buzz issue(*), both will undertake the fix. * the units were not used on same operator and in the same locations so i will try them first under the same conditions side by side to see if i can make my other unit buzz even if it didn't before. If this can be an opportunity for you to have me to test anything, please let me know. Petr ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Pulster fixe(s) and rework (was: Re: buzz fix)
And a bass boost fix would be great too. On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 8:32 AM, Joerg Reisenweber jo...@openmoko.org wrote: Am So 11. Januar 2009 schrieb Alexandre Ghisoli: Le Sun, 11 Jan 2009 19:07:40 +0100, Konstantin chaosspaw...@gmx.net a écrit : Matthias Apitz schrieb: Hello Christoph, Could you please also make an offer for the hardware buzz fix in DE: http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/GSM_EMI_noise/big-C_rework_SOP_rc2.pdf Would be great! Thx matthias (one of your happy GTA02 customers) I second this one - offering the hardware fix for the freerunner would be great :) Regards, Konstantin (One of your other happy GTA02 customers ;) ) Yes, hardware fixes (rework) made by resellers would be great. By fixes, I mean : * GPS - SDIO fix (add a capacitor if I remember correctly) There's a sw-fix for that, which mostly just works * Add a GSM IR resistor for deep sleep Huh? * Change the led transistor power hungry stuff Guys, this has been fixed for *ALL* FR ever sold!!! * fix the GSM buzz ok, agree here. * ... ??? /j ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Pulster fixe(s) and rework (was: Re: buzz fix)
On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 08:32, Joerg Reisenweber jo...@openmoko.org wrote: * Change the led transistor power hungry stuff Guys, this has been fixed for *ALL* FR ever sold!!! No, no, no. You are right only for GTA02v6. On GTA02v5 (which I have) this has been fixed only for orange and blue LEDs under POWER button. Red AUX button is still power hungry - it is eating 50mA. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: buzz fix (was: Pulster offer - Freerunner now 249 eur)
Al Johnson wrote: On Tuesday 27 January 2009, Helge Hafting wrote: Al Johnson wrote: On Tuesday 13 January 2009, Yorick Moko wrote: buzz and gsm fixes are even documented on the wiki (no need to search in the e-mails) only the audio-fix (big capacitator to provide more bass isn't; hoping to see that one documented as well There's some fairly detailed discussion of audio mods on the hardware list which could be copied into the wiki, but there is no 'official' mod. I suspect there won't be one either, mostly because big caps won't fit in the space available, and relocating them to outside the screening can could easily reintroduce buzz. Another option: Short the too small capacitors, so there are no capacitors at all. Then add the big caps outside the screeming, but this time with no need to connect to anything inside the screening. Just break the connection anywhere, and insert a nice big cap. The easiest place of all then, is obviously to add the caps to the headset. Of course then you only have one useable headset. Yes, that's one of the options discussed, along with some resistors you might like to remove. You could put the caps in a 2.5mm to 3.5mm ( or even 1/4in) adaptor cable to make it usable with generic headphones. I don't personally like this solution for 2 reasons; one day I will forget and stick dc on a headset, and it will probably prevent use of the serial debug interface to the gsm. The second objection won't be a consideration for the vast majority of people though. Or break the connection between the plug and circuit board, and put the caps somewhere inside. There is lots of room above the SIM card. This is harder than it sounds IIRC, but feel free to try. I had my eye on that space for caps too as the existing caps are very close to it. You could make a small hole in the screening can to pass the wires through, but would need to be careful to avoid creating an rf pathway. Seems I wasn't clear enough. My second suggestion was to put the caps above the SIM, but *without* a hole in the screening. No new way for buzz to get in then! Electrically, this is the same as the caps in headset variant, but with the advantage that any headset will work because the caps is now between the plug and the shielded unit. (The small caps inside the shield must still be shorted.) There will be some wires, but they will go between the caps and the plug. These wires might pick up something, but it will be the same stuff that the headset wires pick up already. Presumably, the circuit board way into the shielded area is protected, or a plain headset would cause buzz too? My hope is that the plug is so big, that re-soldering it won't require special skills. And the small caps can apperently be shorted without soldering, as suggested on the hw list. Helge Hafting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Buzz fix attempt, tomorrow
Hi all Thanks Yoann for the pictures. I just looked at them, and I have the same question : what is the other component you solder on the right side ? Is it for repairing a previous unattempted desoldering ? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Buzz fix attempt, tomorrow
kimaidou a écrit : Hi all Thanks Yoann for the pictures. I just looked at them, and I have the same question : what is the other component you solder on the right side ? Is it for repairing a previous unattempted desoldering ? Yes that's it. It's the C4303 which totally burned when we tried to resoldered it. Hopefully, the fix that we made works. -- Yoann. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Buzz fix attempt, tomorrow
On Tue, 2009-01-27 at 13:04 -0600, Steven ** wrote: I too applied the fix. Or, I should say, got a co-worker to apply the fix. He worked with surface mount components for a few years and our lab has all the necessary equipment to do surface mount soldering. As well as a stock room with a fairly large selection of components. It took about an hour because the components are so hard to work with. I used a tantalum capacitor (as my work's stock room didn't have ceramic with the needed specs) which made things rather difficult. The capacitor was just small enough to fit inside the case. But it could not be positioned as depicted in the white paper. We ended up soldering some copper ribbon to the exposed pad to extend it to the left in order to place the capacitor between the components on the right and the screw hole. I did not take any pictures (since cameras are forbidden inside my place of work). I have extra capacitors and resistors I don't need/want. I'm not sure if anyone would want them though, since the capacitor was so hard to place well. -Steven Hi Steven, A thought - as an alternative to using a camera, find a scanner/photocopier multifunction device gadget thing, and stick the circuit board on that - it creates much better images. Some of them have a scan to pdf or tiff, and then fire it to an email address or ftp server - that's what we've done here. Cheers, David On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 3:44 AM, kimaidou kimai...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Yoan, I am about to buy the capacitor and resistor and ask a friend to do the buzz fix. Before diving into trouble water, I would really apreciate some feedback on your attemp : * did you succeed ? * is the buzz canceled ? * have you taken photographs on your work ? Thanks in advance Kimaidou 2009/1/6 Yoann ARNAUD yarn...@crans.org kimaidou a écrit : Tommorow, I (my colleague, actually) will try to fix the buzz of my OM version A5 according to the manual of Joerg. Since I was asked, here is the documentation I will use : http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/GSM_EMI_noise/big-C_rework_SOP__DRAFT3__.pdf -- Yoann ARNAUD Nantes, France. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: buzz fix
They've been really silent (ignoring us?) on this point each time it has been asked. -Message d'origine- De : community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org [mailto:community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org] De la part de Christoph Siegenthaler Envoyé : lundi 26 janvier 2009 13:21 À : community@lists.openmoko.org Objet : RE: buzz fix Hello, are there any updates from resellers, FIC or any half-official DIY-tutorials on the hardware problems, i.e. the buzzing? Best regards, Chris KaZeR wrote: -Message d'origine- [mailto:community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org] De la part de Christoph Pulster Envoyé : mardi 13 janvier 2009 08:20 À : community@lists.openmoko.org Objet : Re: buzz fix Hello, thanks for asking about hardware fixes (I read this list daily). At the moment I'm working out a solution with Openmoko how to handle any repair (buzz SOP, GPS fix etc). In any way I want to offer my customers best service and we try to find a solution which does avoid time-consuming return shipments to Taiwan. Please allow us some days to work that out. Thanks Christoph. It's nice to see that you are so involved. I hope that you will lead the way for other resellers. Bearstech maybe? :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/buzz-fix-%28was%3A-Pulster-offer---Freeru nner-now-249-eur%29-tp2141213p2217591.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: buzz fix
On Monday 26 January 2009, Christoph Siegenthaler wrote: are there any updates from resellers, FIC or any half-official DIY-tutorials on the hardware problems, i.e. the buzzing? The current tutorial is here: http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/GSM_EMI_noise/big-C_rework_SOP_rc2.pdf This appears to have benefited from feedback regarding capacitor types from the few people so far to have attempted the mod, but more feedback is requested. The lack of feedback from people trying it may be why it hasn't yet made it past release candidate stage. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: buzz fix (was: Pulster offer - Freerunner now 249 eur)
Al Johnson wrote: On Tuesday 13 January 2009, Yorick Moko wrote: buzz and gsm fixes are even documented on the wiki (no need to search in the e-mails) only the audio-fix (big capacitator to provide more bass isn't; hoping to see that one documented as well There's some fairly detailed discussion of audio mods on the hardware list which could be copied into the wiki, but there is no 'official' mod. I suspect there won't be one either, mostly because big caps won't fit in the space available, and relocating them to outside the screening can could easily reintroduce buzz. Another option: Short the too small capacitors, so there are no capacitors at all. Then add the big caps outside the screeming, but this time with no need to connect to anything inside the screening. Just break the connection anywhere, and insert a nice big cap. The easiest place of all then, is obviously to add the caps to the headset. Of course then you only have one useable headset. Or break the connection between the plug and circuit board, and put the caps somewhere inside. There is lots of room above the SIM card. Helge Hafting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: buzz fix (was: Pulster offer - Freerunner now 249 eur)
On Tuesday 27 January 2009, Helge Hafting wrote: Al Johnson wrote: On Tuesday 13 January 2009, Yorick Moko wrote: buzz and gsm fixes are even documented on the wiki (no need to search in the e-mails) only the audio-fix (big capacitator to provide more bass isn't; hoping to see that one documented as well There's some fairly detailed discussion of audio mods on the hardware list which could be copied into the wiki, but there is no 'official' mod. I suspect there won't be one either, mostly because big caps won't fit in the space available, and relocating them to outside the screening can could easily reintroduce buzz. Another option: Short the too small capacitors, so there are no capacitors at all. Then add the big caps outside the screeming, but this time with no need to connect to anything inside the screening. Just break the connection anywhere, and insert a nice big cap. The easiest place of all then, is obviously to add the caps to the headset. Of course then you only have one useable headset. Yes, that's one of the options discussed, along with some resistors you might like to remove. You could put the caps in a 2.5mm to 3.5mm ( or even 1/4in) adaptor cable to make it usable with generic headphones. I don't personally like this solution for 2 reasons; one day I will forget and stick dc on a headset, and it will probably prevent use of the serial debug interface to the gsm. The second objection won't be a consideration for the vast majority of people though. Or break the connection between the plug and circuit board, and put the caps somewhere inside. There is lots of room above the SIM card. This is harder than it sounds IIRC, but feel free to try. I had my eye on that space for caps too as the existing caps are very close to it. You could make a small hole in the screening can to pass the wires through, but would need to be careful to avoid creating an rf pathway. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Buzz fix attempt, tomorrow
kimaidou a écrit : Hi Yoan, I am about to buy the capacitor and resistor and ask a friend to do the buzz fix. Before diving into trouble water, I would really apreciate some feedback on your attemp : Oh yes, I have to do that. I want to make a useful report but I have no time for this * did you succeed ? Yes, but it was very very hard. And my fix is very ugly. * is the buzz canceled ? Yes :) * have you taken photographs on your work ? Yes, but they are poor quality. The coponents are very very small and I had to be close to the phone taking the pictures. I'll try to make the pictures available tonight. Just an advice. Be aware that the coponents of the phone are very small (about 1mm) and it's very hard to desolder just the resistor and not the other neighbour coponents (I desoldered one conensator...) and it's harder to solder the new components. (that's why my fix is ugly because we had to repair that) -- Yoann. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: buzz fix
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi KaZeR- We are not ignoring about the buzz fix issue, actually we are very serious about this bug and fix. The buzz issue mostly comes from EMI (Electromagnetic Disturbance), and it's hardware design related. Buzz comes from mechanical/layout/component/schematics, and each part could have eliminate some level EMI effect (buzz). By apply a filter, and change audio configuration, we could make FR have better noise resist in audio trace. But EMI still comes through mechanical(antenna position close to mic), layout (already in FR printed circuit board), and component (microphone as small antenna get EMI) joerg already publish release candidate version SOP of buzz fix, the reason it stay in rc and did not have update is: #1 Can't tell how much it could improve, yet As described above, buzz fix actually is EMI resist fix/workaround, Currently, we have 2 feedback from kindly community member help verify joerg's SOP, and have positive result. Community do a great work on verification, but we don't finish internal/mass verification for how much it could improve. #2 Don't have the test SOP/audio file for this rework For GPS hardware SOP, it's easy to tell if you could get a fix within 3 minutes with GPS application and NMEA string, but for audio rework in field, it could only tell by callee's ear. So after rework's pass/fail test method and audio alsa (A6 rework) file not ready yet. Upon this 2 reasons, this fix stay in rc, even this fix already used in some phones and get positive result. Regards, - -- Neng-Yu Tu (Tony Tu) Openmoko, Inc. Support. They've been really silent (ignoring us?) on this point each time it has been asked. -Message d'origine- De : community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org [mailto:community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org] De la part de Christoph Siegenthaler Envoyé : lundi 26 janvier 2009 13:21 À : community@lists.openmoko.org Objet : RE: buzz fix Hello, are there any updates from resellers, FIC or any half-official DIY-tutorials on the hardware problems, i.e. the buzzing? Best regards, Chris KaZeR wrote: -Message d'origine- [mailto:community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org] De la part de Christoph Pulster Envoyé : mardi 13 janvier 2009 08:20 À : community@lists.openmoko.org Objet : Re: buzz fix Hello, thanks for asking about hardware fixes (I read this list daily). At the moment I'm working out a solution with Openmoko how to handle any repair (buzz SOP, GPS fix etc). In any way I want to offer my customers best service and we try to find a solution which does avoid time-consuming return shipments to Taiwan. Please allow us some days to work that out. Thanks Christoph. It's nice to see that you are so involved. I hope that you will lead the way for other resellers. Bearstech maybe? :) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkl/O+AACgkQmV6sZhhBn29PUgCgqSNwRikVaM2JIVrmRO35Wg7B ROkAnjPnP55u855+CkMnbZyqEPHUp5Yp =+wt6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: buzz fix
Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk writes: On Monday 26 January 2009, Christoph Siegenthaler wrote: are there any updates from resellers, FIC or any half-official DIY-tutorials on the hardware problems, i.e. the buzzing? This appears to have benefited from feedback regarding capacitor types from the few people so far to have attempted the mod, The feedback is that: you can use any cap, including tantalum. :) but more feedback is requested. The lack of feedback from people trying it may be why it hasn't yet made it past release candidate stage. No more feedback is really needed. Everyone who performed the rework confirmed that it eliminates the buzz. No single negative report. And i guess at least 10-20 people have already tried the rework. So, the reason that no reseller is doing it yet is probably due to communication/business issues rather than technical. -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Bass fix (was: Re: buzz fix)
Hi, Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk writes: There's some fairly detailed discussion of audio mods on the hardware list which could be copied into the wiki, but there is no 'official' mod. I suspect there won't be one either, mostly because big caps won't fit in the space available, and relocating them to outside the screening can could easily reintroduce buzz. I doubt it can reintroduce the buzz for the calling party. If improperly shielded, outside caps will definetely introduce buzz to FR's headphones though. I propose to look at the page where i outlined my rework: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_bass_fix Comments are welcome. -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: buzz fix
I applied [1] the fix to my Neo with positive results. It's seems to have greatly reduced if not eliminated the buzz. -Steven Note [1]: By I applied I mean I bribed a co-worker with some Mt. Dew to do the soldering for me. ;-) On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 10:52 AM, Neng-Yu Tu (Tony Tu) t...@openmoko.com wrote: #1 Can't tell how much it could improve, yet As described above, buzz fix actually is EMI resist fix/workaround, Currently, we have 2 feedback from kindly community member help verify joerg's SOP, and have positive result. Community do a great work on verification, but we don't finish internal/mass verification for how much it could improve. Regards, - -- Neng-Yu Tu (Tony Tu) Openmoko, Inc. Support ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Buzz fix attempt, tomorrow
I too applied the fix. Or, I should say, got a co-worker to apply the fix. He worked with surface mount components for a few years and our lab has all the necessary equipment to do surface mount soldering. As well as a stock room with a fairly large selection of components. It took about an hour because the components are so hard to work with. I used a tantalum capacitor (as my work's stock room didn't have ceramic with the needed specs) which made things rather difficult. The capacitor was just small enough to fit inside the case. But it could not be positioned as depicted in the white paper. We ended up soldering some copper ribbon to the exposed pad to extend it to the left in order to place the capacitor between the components on the right and the screw hole. I did not take any pictures (since cameras are forbidden inside my place of work). I have extra capacitors and resistors I don't need/want. I'm not sure if anyone would want them though, since the capacitor was so hard to place well. -Steven On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 3:44 AM, kimaidou kimai...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Yoan, I am about to buy the capacitor and resistor and ask a friend to do the buzz fix. Before diving into trouble water, I would really apreciate some feedback on your attemp : * did you succeed ? * is the buzz canceled ? * have you taken photographs on your work ? Thanks in advance Kimaidou 2009/1/6 Yoann ARNAUD yarn...@crans.org kimaidou a écrit : Tommorow, I (my colleague, actually) will try to fix the buzz of my OM version A5 according to the manual of Joerg. Since I was asked, here is the documentation I will use : http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/GSM_EMI_noise/big-C_rework_SOP__DRAFT3__.pdf -- Yoann ARNAUD Nantes, France. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Buzz fix attempt, tomorrow
Yoann ARNAUD a écrit : I'll try to make the pictures available tonight. Here they are : http://perso.crans.org/yarnaud/Openmoko/Buzz_Fix/ -- Yoann. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Buzz fix attempt, tomorrow
I'm getting a '403 forbidden' message. looks like we don't have read access. Peter. Yoann ARNAUD wrote: Yoann ARNAUD a écrit : I'll try to make the pictures available tonight. Here they are : http://perso.crans.org/yarnaud/Openmoko/Buzz_Fix/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: buzz fix
Steven ** a écrit : I applied [1] the fix to my Neo with positive results. It's seems to have greatly reduced if not eliminated the buzz. For me, it seems that the buzz is eliminated. -- Yoann. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Buzz fix attempt, tomorrow
Peter Strapp a écrit : I'm getting a '403 forbidden' message. looks like we don't have read access. Thanks. It's OK now. -- Yoann. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Buzz fix attempt, tomorrow
Yoann ARNAUD escribió: Yoann ARNAUD a écrit : I'll try to make the pictures available tonight. Here they are : http://perso.crans.org/yarnaud/Openmoko/Buzz_Fix/ is this buzz + bass fixes? because the reference pictures from the SOP paper don't show that second thing you soldered (not the yellow one, the other) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Buzz fix attempt, tomorrow
Hi Yoan, I am about to buy the capacitor and resistor and ask a friend to do the buzz fix. Before diving into trouble water, I would really apreciate some feedback on your attemp : * did you succeed ? * is the buzz canceled ? * have you taken photographs on your work ? Thanks in advance Kimaidou 2009/1/6 Yoann ARNAUD yarn...@crans.org kimaidou a écrit : Tommorow, I (my colleague, actually) will try to fix the buzz of my OM version A5 according to the manual of Joerg. Since I was asked, here is the documentation I will use : http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/GSM_EMI_noise/big-C_rework_SOP__DRAFT3__.pdf -- Yoann ARNAUD Nantes, France. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: buzz fix
Hello, are there any updates from resellers, FIC or any half-official DIY-tutorials on the hardware problems, i.e. the buzzing? Best regards, Chris KaZeR wrote: -Message d'origine- [mailto:community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org] De la part de Christoph Pulster Envoyé : mardi 13 janvier 2009 08:20 À : community@lists.openmoko.org Objet : Re: buzz fix Hello, thanks for asking about hardware fixes (I read this list daily). At the moment I'm working out a solution with Openmoko how to handle any repair (buzz SOP, GPS fix etc). In any way I want to offer my customers best service and we try to find a solution which does avoid time-consuming return shipments to Taiwan. Please allow us some days to work that out. Thanks Christoph. It's nice to see that you are so involved. I hope that you will lead the way for other resellers. Bearstech maybe? :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/buzz-fix-%28was%3A-Pulster-offer---Freerunner-now-249-eur%29-tp2141213p2217591.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: buzz fix (was: Pulster offer - Freerunner now 249 eur)
Because the bass fix is not easy to fix. I can say it is very hard to fix, because the series capacitor on the output of amplifier is located under the metal plate and no large capacitor can be soldered here. I have fixed it with connecting capacitors (220uF) outside PCB and creating hole in metal plate. It is connected with wires, but soldering it on the PCB under the crease of metal plate (located very close to border) is freak. And may be, OM engineers have no courage to recommend it. But after implementation it plays very good. But - i don't use it as phone so i don't know, if it has no RF noise. Yorick Moko wrote: only the audio-fix (big capacitator to provide more bass isn't; hoping to see that one documented as well I would hate to get two things fixed, and have to fix a third one a week later... -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/buzz-fix-%28was%3A-Pulster-offer---Freerunner-now-249-eur%29-tp2141213p2220259.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: buzz fix (was: Pulster offer - Freerunner now 249 eur)
Hi Arne, On Tuesday 13 January 2009 16:26:00 arne anka wrote: Please don't get me wrong, but one should not write e-mail in capital letters; you don't think, there might be reasons? no there aren't any. THERE IS ABSOLUTLY NO REASON (to put in pure caps, as you just did) i read the list about this buzz-issue since months. And i fully agree drac2000. There isn't ANY recent update from OM regarding this. So please OM update about the current technical state of the fixes and the current state of the purposed procedure. Greetings Torsten ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: buzz fix (was: Pulster offer - Freerunner now 249 eur)
Am Tuesday 13 January 2009 22:57:57 schrieb Martin Bernreuther: Hello, Am Dienstag, 13. Januar 2009 schrieb arne anka: I am kind of not understanding why the OM team is not helping on this PLEASE, STOP THAT IMMEDIATELY AND READ THE ARCHIVES! PLEASE no more READ THE ARCHIVES platitudes! But more Wiki Links ;-) On the other side please no baseless accusation of the OM team! No. This should be no offense and I can understand that it's annoying, if people always ask the same questions. But... Recently I was searching for a solution to one of my various FR problems and Google pointed me to a archived email of someone asking the same on this list. Great! But when I read the answer read the archives (from arne anka) my problem was still not solved! If you watch somebody drowning, will you tell him it's wise to learn swimming or throw a lifesaver? Do you really expect a newbie to read all archived emails of the past (most of them maybe outdated). And this list is noisy! The focus might also change. Starting with distro A, someone might not follow a discussion with a problem of distro B. Changing to distro B, it's also hard to get all the information from the archives. Looking at the wiki, it's sometimes hard to find the right entry. With all these distros it's also sometimes confusing, which method works for which setup. It's hard to keep everything up to date with this sometimes fast development. If there's some outcome of a discussion, it should be gathered on the wiki. IMHO it's a waste of time, if all people read all these emails in the archives in the first place. Usually people first read books to get a basic knowledge and articles as a supplement for the latest news. It's not common e.g. to learn the basics of physics reading all the letters between physicist of the last centuries, but reading a book accumulating the results. Sorry for that off-topic email (no one should feel offended) and special thanks to the wiki writers! Regards, Martin Bernreuther Martin, you just said what was floating around my mind (in one shape or another...) since a few days. We should _always_ stimulate people to add their knowledge to the wiki when a problem gets solved or when news get announced here. Actually finding something on a wiki is wy easier than searching in millions of mails, each month on its own. Especially on such a high-traffic (and kinda noisy, as you said. That's is nothing bad, that's why its a mailinglist and not a wiki!) I repeat myself: We successfully got so far and nearly every distro-specific thread is tagged accordingly - now it would be helpful to tell people that editing the wiki is no sin. :) -- Marcel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: buzz fix
-Message d'origine- [mailto:community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org] De la part de Christoph Pulster Envoyé : mardi 13 janvier 2009 08:20 À : community@lists.openmoko.org Objet : Re: buzz fix Hello, thanks for asking about hardware fixes (I read this list daily). At the moment I'm working out a solution with Openmoko how to handle any repair (buzz SOP, GPS fix etc). In any way I want to offer my customers best service and we try to find a solution which does avoid time-consuming return shipments to Taiwan. Please allow us some days to work that out. Thanks Christoph. It's nice to see that you are so involved. I hope that you will lead the way for other resellers. Bearstech maybe? :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Pulster fixes (was: Re: buzz fix)
Le mardi 13 janvier 2009 à 09:20 +0200, Christoph Pulster a écrit : Hello, thanks for asking about hardware fixes (I read this list daily). At the moment I'm working out a solution with Openmoko how to handle any repair (buzz SOP, GPS fix etc). In any way I want to offer my customers best service and we try to find a solution which does avoid time-consuming return shipments to Taiwan. Please allow us some days to work that out. Christoph www.pulster.eu Openmoko Shop Thanks for your support. I'll look forward from you on this topic. Count me in as one of the customer that plan to have a FR upgraded if price sound nice. best regards -- Alexandre ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Pulster fixes (was: Re: buzz fix)
/signed me2 thanks for that service Original-Nachricht Datum: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 13:16:05 +0100 Von: Alexandre Ghisoli a...@ghisoli.ch An: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Betreff: Pulster fixes (was: Re: buzz fix) Le mardi 13 janvier 2009 à 09:20 +0200, Christoph Pulster a écrit : Hello, thanks for asking about hardware fixes (I read this list daily). At the moment I'm working out a solution with Openmoko how to handle any repair (buzz SOP, GPS fix etc). In any way I want to offer my customers best service and we try to find a solution which does avoid time-consuming return shipments to Taiwan. Please allow us some days to work that out. Christoph www.pulster.eu Openmoko Shop Thanks for your support. I'll look forward from you on this topic. Count me in as one of the customer that plan to have a FR upgraded if price sound nice. best regards -- Alexandre ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Sensationsangebot verlängert: GMX FreeDSL - Telefonanschluss + DSL für nur 16,37 Euro/mtl.!* http://dsl.gmx.de/?ac=OM.AD.PD003K1308T4569a ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Pulster fixes (was: Re: buzz fix)
On Tue, 2009-01-13 at 13:27 +0100, steffen.li...@gmx.de wrote: /signed me2 thanks for that service Original-Nachricht Datum: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 13:16:05 +0100 Von: Alexandre Ghisoli a...@ghisoli.ch An: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Betreff: Pulster fixes (was: Re: buzz fix) Le mardi 13 janvier 2009 à 09:20 +0200, Christoph Pulster a écrit : Hello, thanks for asking about hardware fixes (I read this list daily). At the moment I'm working out a solution with Openmoko how to handle any repair (buzz SOP, GPS fix etc). In any way I want to offer my customers best service and we try to find a solution which does avoid time-consuming return shipments to Taiwan. Please allow us some days to work that out. Hi Christoph, Thanks for that, and as others said, count me in if the price is right :) Benedikt Christoph www.pulster.eu Openmoko Shop Thanks for your support. I'll look forward from you on this topic. Count me in as one of the customer that plan to have a FR upgraded if price sound nice. best regards -- Alexandre ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: buzz fix (was: Pulster offer - Freerunner now 249 eur)
Matthias Apitz wrote: Hello Christoph, Could you please also make an offer for the hardware buzz fix in DE: http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/GSM_EMI_noise/big-C_rework_SOP_rc2.pdf Would be great! Thx I am kind of not understanding why the OM team is not helping on this potential solution to finally bring the GTA02 to real real life. I mean, it was OK to find out resellers for the phone around the world, but now when it comes to make it daily phone specially with potential solution like this :confused: I think they can help us (no electronic DIY specialists) finding places to apply those fixes (buzz, bass, ...) Even the frequent community updates are not referring to this point which is very important !! -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/buzz-fix-%28was%3A-Pulster-offer---Freerunner-now-249-eur%29-tp2141213p2151448.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: buzz fix (was: Pulster offer - Freerunner now 249 eur)
I am kind of not understanding why the OM team is not helping on this PLEASE, STOP THAT IMMEDIATELY AND READ THE ARCHIVES! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: buzz fix (was: Pulster offer - Freerunner now 249 eur)
El día Tuesday, January 13, 2009 a las 03:57:31PM +0100, arne anka escribió: I am kind of not understanding why the OM team is not helping on this PLEASE, STOP THAT IMMEDIATELY AND READ THE ARCHIVES! arne, Please don't get me wrong, but one should not write e-mail in capital letters; concerning the archives, I think there are 100++ mails a day and if you are refering to a good point you should point to that e-mail in detail; the archives are good, but without some search engine ... thx matthias -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e matthias.ap...@oclc.org - w http://www.oclc.org/ http://www.UnixArea.de/ b http://gurucubano.blogspot.com/ SPAMer of the year: Subject: Alle Software ist Deutsche Sprachen From: -40 % die Neujahrsaktion gabriellekel...@grungecafe.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: buzz fix (was: Pulster offer - Freerunner now 249 eur)
Please don't get me wrong, but one should not write e-mail in capital letters; you don't think, there might be reasons? concerning the archives, I think there are 100++ mails a day and if you are refering to a good point you should point to that e-mail in detail; the archives are good, but without some search engine ... the issue of buzz, fix and how and where have been discussed _so_ often that anybody reading this list should know the answers by heart. for everybody else onbly the term buzz shouldN#t be more than enough to find the plethora of mails answering drac2000's whining. i am sick and tired aof complaints like i don't understnd why om is not helping -- om has given to understand, taht work is going on, that more test has to be made and that they are working on how to provide the fixes (lord, why did i write that? why did i not let him search all by himself?). if he thinks that is to much to carry for him, he should either sell his fr or simply ask if there are any news on the schedule -- but these constant complaints and accusations are driving me crazy! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: buzz fix (was: Pulster offer - Freerunner now 249 eur)
I agree with you arne anka, buzz and gsm fixes are even documented on the wiki (no need to search in the e-mails) only the audio-fix (big capacitator to provide more bass isn't; hoping to see that one documented as well I would hate to get two things fixed, and have to fix a third one a week later... On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 4:26 PM, arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de wrote: Please don't get me wrong, but one should not write e-mail in capital letters; you don't think, there might be reasons? concerning the archives, I think there are 100++ mails a day and if you are refering to a good point you should point to that e-mail in detail; the archives are good, but without some search engine ... the issue of buzz, fix and how and where have been discussed _so_ often that anybody reading this list should know the answers by heart. for everybody else onbly the term buzz shouldN#t be more than enough to find the plethora of mails answering drac2000's whining. i am sick and tired aof complaints like i don't understnd why om is not helping -- om has given to understand, taht work is going on, that more test has to be made and that they are working on how to provide the fixes (lord, why did i write that? why did i not let him search all by himself?). if he thinks that is to much to carry for him, he should either sell his fr or simply ask if there are any news on the schedule -- but these constant complaints and accusations are driving me crazy! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: buzz fix (was: Pulster offer - Freerunner now 249 eur)
then unsubscribe from this list...or just don't read such emails... Original-Nachricht Datum: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 16:26:00 +0100 Von: arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de An: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Betreff: Re: buzz fix (was: Pulster offer - Freerunner now 249 eur) Please don't get me wrong, but one should not write e-mail in capital letters; you don't think, there might be reasons? concerning the archives, I think there are 100++ mails a day and if you are refering to a good point you should point to that e-mail in detail; the archives are good, but without some search engine ... the issue of buzz, fix and how and where have been discussed _so_ often that anybody reading this list should know the answers by heart. for everybody else onbly the term buzz shouldN#t be more than enough to find the plethora of mails answering drac2000's whining. i am sick and tired aof complaints like i don't understnd why om is not helping -- om has given to understand, taht work is going on, that more test has to be made and that they are working on how to provide the fixes (lord, why did i write that? why did i not let him search all by himself?). if he thinks that is to much to carry for him, he should either sell his fr or simply ask if there are any news on the schedule -- but these constant complaints and accusations are driving me crazy! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Sensationsangebot verlängert: GMX FreeDSL - Telefonanschluss + DSL für nur 16,37 Euro/mtl.!* http://dsl.gmx.de/?ac=OM.AD.PD003K1308T4569a ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: buzz fix (was: Pulster offer - Freerunner now 249 eur)
I will not take it personal even if I think it is not the right way to comment.. I am sorry if my post hurts anyone All I wanted to say is that I expected that those hardware issues would be a priority (including debuging, testing, proposals etc...) than start dilema about GTA03, distros... All this because I beleive in the open community, in OM and in my FR. And i'm kind of frustrated to not be able to use my FR as my daily, now that I have it for +6 months I apologize if I express it the wrong way, but I think I can express my opinion without being scolded All my respects to you OM drac. arne anka wrote: I am kind of not understanding why the OM team is not helping on this PLEASE, STOP THAT IMMEDIATELY AND READ THE ARCHIVES! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/buzz-fix-%28was%3A-Pulster-offer---Freerunner-now-249-eur%29-tp2141213p2151776.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: buzz fix (was: Pulster offer - Freerunner now 249 eur)
On Tuesday 13 January 2009, Yorick Moko wrote: buzz and gsm fixes are even documented on the wiki (no need to search in the e-mails) only the audio-fix (big capacitator to provide more bass isn't; hoping to see that one documented as well There's some fairly detailed discussion of audio mods on the hardware list which could be copied into the wiki, but there is no 'official' mod. I suspect there won't be one either, mostly because big caps won't fit in the space available, and relocating them to outside the screening can could easily reintroduce buzz. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: buzz fix (was: Pulster offer - Freerunner now 249 eur)
On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 4:14 PM, Matthias Apitz g...@unixarea.de wrote: Please don't get me wrong, but one should not write e-mail in capital letters; concerning the archives, I think there are 100++ mails a day and if you are refering to a good point you should point to that e-mail in detail; the archives are good, but without some search engine ... Regarding to searches, you could try staring with these two: http://aiurlano.netsons.org/OpenMoko/index.html?cx=01843063342716089%3Aszsaurhronwcof=FORID%3A9q=buzz+fixsa=OpenmokoSearch#1167 http://aiurlano.netsons.org/OpenMoko/index.html?cx=01843063342716089%3Aszsaurhronwcof=FORID%3A9q=gsm+fixsa=OpenmokoSearch#1186 Hope this helps ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: buzz fix (was: Pulster offer - Freerunner now 249 eur)
Hello, Am Dienstag, 13. Januar 2009 schrieb arne anka: I am kind of not understanding why the OM team is not helping on this PLEASE, STOP THAT IMMEDIATELY AND READ THE ARCHIVES! PLEASE no more READ THE ARCHIVES platitudes! But more Wiki Links ;-) On the other side please no baseless accusation of the OM team! No. This should be no offense and I can understand that it's annoying, if people always ask the same questions. But... Recently I was searching for a solution to one of my various FR problems and Google pointed me to a archived email of someone asking the same on this list. Great! But when I read the answer read the archives (from arne anka) my problem was still not solved! If you watch somebody drowning, will you tell him it's wise to learn swimming or throw a lifesaver? Do you really expect a newbie to read all archived emails of the past (most of them maybe outdated). And this list is noisy! The focus might also change. Starting with distro A, someone might not follow a discussion with a problem of distro B. Changing to distro B, it's also hard to get all the information from the archives. Looking at the wiki, it's sometimes hard to find the right entry. With all these distros it's also sometimes confusing, which method works for which setup. It's hard to keep everything up to date with this sometimes fast development. If there's some outcome of a discussion, it should be gathered on the wiki. IMHO it's a waste of time, if all people read all these emails in the archives in the first place. Usually people first read books to get a basic knowledge and articles as a supplement for the latest news. It's not common e.g. to learn the basics of physics reading all the letters between physicist of the last centuries, but reading a book accumulating the results. Sorry for that off-topic email (no one should feel offended) and special thanks to the wiki writers! Regards, Martin Bernreuther -- _ Martin Bernreuther martinb...@web.de ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: buzz fix (was: Pulster offer - Freerunner now 249 eur)
I'm currently playing by setting control.45 - De-emphasis to 48khz to get some sort of a bass boost. On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 4:20 AM, Yorick Moko yorickm...@gmail.com wrote: adding a large cap somewhere Joerg /DocScrutinizer told me once on IRC the value, but don't know where to place it, better aks him On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 10:11 PM, Marcel tan...@googlemail.com wrote: Which is...? -- Marcel Am Sunday 11 January 2009 22:04:20 schrieb Yorick Moko: there is a fix for the fact that the FR has almost no bass-sound On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 8:44 PM, Korbinian Rosenegger krose...@schmidham.net wrote: Hi Christoph, On Sun, 2009-01-11 at 12:55 +0100, Matthias Apitz wrote: Could you please also make an offer for the hardware buzz fix in DE: http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/GSM_EMI_noise/big-C_rework_SOP_rc2.pdf Would be great! It would be great if you could offer all hardware fixes that are possible to do like the GPS-Fix for all GTA02v5 owners: http://wiki.openmoko.org/images/5/5b/SOP_for_GPS_capacitor_rework.pdf http://wiki.openmoko.org/images/d/dd/Gta02_gps_10pf_rework_sop.pdf Even the software fix works fine, when you already have heated up your soldering iron for the buzz fix it should only take few minutes to add the capacitor :) I'm not sure if there are other bug fixes, but if there are one, offer them, please :) cu Korbi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: buzz fix
Matthias Apitz schrieb: Hello Christoph, Could you please also make an offer for the hardware buzz fix in DE: http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/GSM_EMI_noise/big-C_rework_SOP_rc2.pdf Would be great! Thx matthias (one of your happy GTA02 customers) I second this one - offering the hardware fix for the freerunner would be great :) Regards, Konstantin (One of your other happy GTA02 customers ;) ) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Pulster fixe(s) and rework (was: Re: buzz fix)
2009/1/11 Alexandre Ghisoli a...@ghisoli.ch: Yes, hardware fixes (rework) made by resellers would be great. By fixes, I mean : * GPS - SDIO fix (add a capacitor if I remember correctly) * Add a GSM IR resistor for deep sleep * Change the led transistor power hungry stuff * fix the GSM buzz * ... Please feel free to comment and complete this list. And I would like to hear something from pulster on this area. I heartily concur. In fact, one of the things that's made me hold off buying a FR is that there isn't an easy way to get this stuff done. If the reseller could make the fixes for me for a reasonable charge, and under warranty, the FR would suddenly become a much more attractive proposition. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Pulster fixe(s) and rework (was: Re: buzz fix)
As a Pulster customer I'd really appreciate such service. :) -- Marcel Am Sunday 11 January 2009 20:05:38 schrieb Sam Kuper: 2009/1/11 Alexandre Ghisoli a...@ghisoli.ch: Yes, hardware fixes (rework) made by resellers would be great. By fixes, I mean : * GPS - SDIO fix (add a capacitor if I remember correctly) * Add a GSM IR resistor for deep sleep * Change the led transistor power hungry stuff * fix the GSM buzz * ... Please feel free to comment and complete this list. And I would like to hear something from pulster on this area. I heartily concur. In fact, one of the things that's made me hold off buying a FR is that there isn't an easy way to get this stuff done. If the reseller could make the fixes for me for a reasonable charge, and under warranty, the FR would suddenly become a much more attractive proposition. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: buzz fix (was: Pulster offer - Freerunner now 249 eur)
Hi Christoph, On Sun, 2009-01-11 at 12:55 +0100, Matthias Apitz wrote: Could you please also make an offer for the hardware buzz fix in DE: http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/GSM_EMI_noise/big-C_rework_SOP_rc2.pdf Would be great! It would be great if you could offer all hardware fixes that are possible to do like the GPS-Fix for all GTA02v5 owners: http://wiki.openmoko.org/images/5/5b/SOP_for_GPS_capacitor_rework.pdf http://wiki.openmoko.org/images/d/dd/Gta02_gps_10pf_rework_sop.pdf Even the software fix works fine, when you already have heated up your soldering iron for the buzz fix it should only take few minutes to add the capacitor :) I'm not sure if there are other bug fixes, but if there are one, offer them, please :) cu Korbi signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: buzz fix
I would also suggest the FR has no bass problem (it is also possible to fix that one with a large cap i think) On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 7:07 PM, Konstantin chaosspaw...@gmx.net wrote: Matthias Apitz schrieb: Hello Christoph, Could you please also make an offer for the hardware buzz fix in DE: http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/GSM_EMI_noise/big-C_rework_SOP_rc2.pdf Would be great! Thx matthias (one of your happy GTA02 customers) I second this one - offering the hardware fix for the freerunner would be great :) Regards, Konstantin (One of your other happy GTA02 customers ;) ) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: buzz fix (was: Pulster offer - Freerunner now 249 eur)
there is a fix for the fact that the FR has almost no bass-sound On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 8:44 PM, Korbinian Rosenegger krose...@schmidham.net wrote: Hi Christoph, On Sun, 2009-01-11 at 12:55 +0100, Matthias Apitz wrote: Could you please also make an offer for the hardware buzz fix in DE: http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/GSM_EMI_noise/big-C_rework_SOP_rc2.pdf Would be great! It would be great if you could offer all hardware fixes that are possible to do like the GPS-Fix for all GTA02v5 owners: http://wiki.openmoko.org/images/5/5b/SOP_for_GPS_capacitor_rework.pdf http://wiki.openmoko.org/images/d/dd/Gta02_gps_10pf_rework_sop.pdf Even the software fix works fine, when you already have heated up your soldering iron for the buzz fix it should only take few minutes to add the capacitor :) I'm not sure if there are other bug fixes, but if there are one, offer them, please :) cu Korbi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: buzz fix (was: Pulster offer - Freerunner now 249 eur)
Which is...? -- Marcel Am Sunday 11 January 2009 22:04:20 schrieb Yorick Moko: there is a fix for the fact that the FR has almost no bass-sound On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 8:44 PM, Korbinian Rosenegger krose...@schmidham.net wrote: Hi Christoph, On Sun, 2009-01-11 at 12:55 +0100, Matthias Apitz wrote: Could you please also make an offer for the hardware buzz fix in DE: http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/GSM_EMI_noise/big-C_rework_SOP_rc2.pdf Would be great! It would be great if you could offer all hardware fixes that are possible to do like the GPS-Fix for all GTA02v5 owners: http://wiki.openmoko.org/images/5/5b/SOP_for_GPS_capacitor_rework.pdf http://wiki.openmoko.org/images/d/dd/Gta02_gps_10pf_rework_sop.pdf Even the software fix works fine, when you already have heated up your soldering iron for the buzz fix it should only take few minutes to add the capacitor :) I'm not sure if there are other bug fixes, but if there are one, offer them, please :) cu Korbi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: buzz fix (was: Pulster offer - Freerunner now 249 eur)
adding a large cap somewhere Joerg /DocScrutinizer told me once on IRC the value, but don't know where to place it, better aks him On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 10:11 PM, Marcel tan...@googlemail.com wrote: Which is...? -- Marcel Am Sunday 11 January 2009 22:04:20 schrieb Yorick Moko: there is a fix for the fact that the FR has almost no bass-sound On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 8:44 PM, Korbinian Rosenegger krose...@schmidham.net wrote: Hi Christoph, On Sun, 2009-01-11 at 12:55 +0100, Matthias Apitz wrote: Could you please also make an offer for the hardware buzz fix in DE: http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/GSM_EMI_noise/big-C_rework_SOP_rc2.pdf Would be great! It would be great if you could offer all hardware fixes that are possible to do like the GPS-Fix for all GTA02v5 owners: http://wiki.openmoko.org/images/5/5b/SOP_for_GPS_capacitor_rework.pdf http://wiki.openmoko.org/images/d/dd/Gta02_gps_10pf_rework_sop.pdf Even the software fix works fine, when you already have heated up your soldering iron for the buzz fix it should only take few minutes to add the capacitor :) I'm not sure if there are other bug fixes, but if there are one, offer them, please :) cu Korbi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Buzz fix attempt, tomorrow
Hi Oh yes, please take pictures and give feedback to help people understand the process and evaluate its feasibility. Thanks in advance :D 2009/1/6 Yoann ARNAUD yarn...@crans.org Hello Community, Tommorow, I (my colleague, actually) will try to fix the buzz of my OM version A5 according to the manual of Joerg. If any of you have some last minute advice to give me, I take :) I can take pictures and make a report of my experience if you think that's necessary. I don't know so just tell me. Bye. -- Yoann ARNAUD Nantes, France. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Buzz fix attempt, tomorrow
kimaidou a écrit : Tommorow, I (my colleague, actually) will try to fix the buzz of my OM version A5 according to the manual of Joerg. Since I was asked, here is the documentation I will use : http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/GSM_EMI_noise/big-C_rework_SOP__DRAFT3__.pdf -- Yoann ARNAUD Nantes, France. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Buzz fix attempt, tomorrow
Yoann ARNAUD wrote: kimaidou a écrit : Tommorow, I (my colleague, actually) will try to fix the buzz of my OM version A5 according to the manual of Joerg. Since I was asked, here is the documentation I will use : http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/GSM_EMI_noise/big-C_rework_SOP__DRAFT3__.pdf http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/GSM_EMI_noise/big-C_rework_SOP_rc2.pdf is the newer version. Don't know what changed but DRAFT3 is the first public version available and rc2 the latest. Ciao, Rainer ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
