Re: [OM2009] airplane mode
jeremy jozwik wrote: window seat makes no difference : ) in fact for several minuets i was holding my freerunner against the window and got nothing... My experience is that a window seat is necessary. If I have a fix, I loose it by moving the phone half a meter away from the window. So it almost have to touch the glass all the time. To get the fix quickly, aquire a good fix outside the plane shortly before you board it. Then, stop the gps software. It will save satellite ephemeris information so it can be reused when you're inside the plane. Without this, ephemeris has to be downloaded from the satellites before the first fix - but downloading requires better signal quality than merely tracking. You may or may not get the better quality signal inside the plane. Helge Hafting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OM2009] airplane mode
Petr Vanek wrote: - FSO is quite unable to get a fix while in 1m altitude and (or) high speed. it sees the satelites, get's a fix and then for some reason something happens and no satelite is being seen anymore. this will repeat fo as long as you leave it. Huh? My freerunner reported 10038 meters and 740 km/h last saturday. I got the first fix at about 9km height, and tracked the plane as it went up. Then i had to stop due to the battery running out. Helge Hafting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OM2009] airplane mode
jeremy jozwik wrote: window seat makes no difference : ) in fact for several minuets i was holding my freerunner against the window and got nothing... I was able to... When I tried while flying, I needed a lot of time to get the fix, but then I got it. Another time I've got the fix before of getting in the plane and I was able to track all the flight :P -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OM2009] airplane mode
Warren Baird wjba...@alumni.uwaterloo.ca writes: I was wondering if there was a way to make OM2009 safe for use on an airplane Hey, do you really believe using some electronic device (including various radio transmitters) might be unsafe on an airplane? Those stupid agencies prohibit bringing water on board but don't do anything (except a polite warning) about oh-they-are-so-dangerous electronic devices? Come on. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_phones_on_aircraft -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OM2009] airplane mode
Hey - no I don't particularly believe that the phone will cause a problem. However I also don't like lying to people - so if I got hassled by the stews, I'd like to be able to honestly say I've turned off the phone component. Warren On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 3:06 AM, Paul Fertser fercer...@gmail.com wrote: Warren Baird wjba...@alumni.uwaterloo.ca writes: I was wondering if there was a way to make OM2009 safe for use on an airplane Hey, do you really believe using some electronic device (including various radio transmitters) might be unsafe on an airplane? Those stupid agencies prohibit bringing water on board but don't do anything (except a polite warning) about oh-they-are-so-dangerous electronic devices? Come on. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_phones_on_aircraft -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com -- Warren Baird - Photographer and Digital Artist http://www.synergisticimages.ca ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OM2009] airplane mode
On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 15:01:16 -0400 Warren Baird wjba...@alumni.uwaterloo.ca (WB) wrote: Hey - no I don't particularly believe that the phone will cause a problem. However I also don't like lying to people - so if I got hassled by the stews, I'd like to be able to honestly say I've turned off the phone component. plus save battery. in shr, you can turn of gsm by shr-settings or shr-config Petr ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OM2009] airplane mode
Petr Vanek wrote: you might be allowed to. but i have yet to actually get a gps lock after leaving the terminal. so whats the point? i tried on several occasions to get it to work. even with a lock in the terminal, after sitting in the plane waiting to taxi i loose the signal hi, i track flights on regular basis :) what you might find out is: - in terminals, the glass has metal coating so no fix - you can get a fix on a plane easily and track your flight even with fr in the pocket in the seat in front of you (just needs to stick out a bit). make sure you get a fix before departing (see bellow) - during the flight, the blinds get usually shut, but you can stuck your fr right behind it (with a bit of force :) - FSO has a bug in reporting the speed - you will notice in speed above 200km - check between shr settings and tango - FSO is quite unable to get a fix while in 1m altitude and (or) high speed. it sees the satelites, get's a fix and then for some reason something happens and no satelite is being seen anymore. this will repeat fo as long as you leave it. If you want to use the Openmoko GPS on the plane some ublox woodo might be handy. I have seen some messages on mail-lists about Antaris chip modes and one was suitable for planes (2g). Unfortunately I can't find it now. - shr settings would allow you to switch gsm off but unfortunately, although it's fso based, it is too much related to ophonekitd and therefore the whole work will have to be duplicated in distros not using ophonekit. so now the same settings are being worked on for om2009. what a shame... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OM2009] airplane mode
On Friday 19 June 2009, Petr Vanek wrote: - FSO has a bug in reporting the speed - you will notice in speed above 200km - check between shr settings and tango - FSO is quite unable to get a fix while in 1m altitude and (or) high speed. it sees the satelites, get's a fix and then for some reason something happens and no satelite is being seen anymore. this will repeat fo as long as you leave it. The GPS has several modes optimised for different use cases. The default one is suitable for ground-based vehicles, and sanity checks its output including speed and altitude. In a plane you are at insane speed and altitude for a ground vehicle ;-) I don't think ogpsd has an option to change this, so a feature request may be in order. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OM2009] airplane mode
On Saturday 20 June 2009 16:00:10 Al Johnson wrote: On Friday 19 June 2009, Petr Vanek wrote: - FSO has a bug in reporting the speed - you will notice in speed above 200km - check between shr settings and tango - FSO is quite unable to get a fix while in 1m altitude and (or) high speed. it sees the satelites, get's a fix and then for some reason something happens and no satelite is being seen anymore. this will repeat fo as long as you leave it. The GPS has several modes optimised for different use cases. The default one is suitable for ground-based vehicles, and sanity checks its output including speed and altitude. In a plane you are at insane speed and altitude for a ground vehicle ;-) I don't think ogpsd has an option to change this, so a feature request may be in order. Do you know what it would do with speeds of 300 km/h and altitudes of 2000 m in Belgium? I would like to be able to trust the gps logs of such events. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OM2009] airplane mode
On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Al Johnsonopenm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk wrote: The GPS has several modes optimised for different use cases. The default one is suitable for ground-based vehicles, and sanity checks its output including speed and altitude. In a plane you are at insane speed and altitude for a ground vehicle ;-) I don't think ogpsd has an option to change this, so a feature request may be in order. http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/f6feed64aecde5888e7d51d653b2e39d.png (I have no idea how it does it or if it works but anyway, omgps seems to rock in another new way: http://code.google.com/p/omgps/ ) r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OM2009] airplane mode
On Saturday 20 June 2009 15:58:34 Risto H. Kurppa wrote: On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Al Johnsonopenm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk wrote: The GPS has several modes optimised for different use cases. The default one is suitable for ground-based vehicles, and sanity checks its output including speed and altitude. In a plane you are at insane speed and altitude for a ground vehicle ;-) I don't think ogpsd has an option to change this, so a feature request may be in order. http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/f6feed64aecde5888e7d51d653b2e39d.png (I have no idea how it does it or if it works but anyway, omgps seems to rock in another new way: http://code.google.com/p/omgps/ ) r It appears that omgps speaks U-BLOX so that may be how. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OM2009] airplane mode
omgps, my new favorite SHR app. i cannot tell you how happy i am to have tracks recorded while walking not look like a lightning storm On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 7:58 AM, Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi wrote: On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Al Johnsonopenm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk wrote: The GPS has several modes optimised for different use cases. The default one is suitable for ground-based vehicles, and sanity checks its output including speed and altitude. In a plane you are at insane speed and altitude for a ground vehicle ;-) I don't think ogpsd has an option to change this, so a feature request may be in order. http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/f6feed64aecde5888e7d51d653b2e39d.png (I have no idea how it does it or if it works but anyway, omgps seems to rock in another new way: http://code.google.com/p/omgps/ ) r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OM2009] airplane mode
Hi, On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 4:54 PM, Warren Baird wjba...@alumni.uwaterloo.cawrote: mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device.SetAntennaPower False I'm cleaning things up at work prior to a vacation, so I don't have time to add it to the wiki now - but if no one has done it in the next day or two, I'll add it there somewhere... Stub added: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Airplane_Mode I'm not sure which distro/rev this would work for, and this type of info should be added. Thanks, Gerald ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OM2009] airplane mode
Le 14414ième jour après Epoch, Warren Baird écrivait: I'm spending about 4 or 5 hours on an airplane tomorrow, and I was wondering if there was a way to make OM2009 safe for use on an airplane - similar to the 'airplane mode' that QTEI provides. I know that there's no UI for it - but is there something I can kill, or some dbus magic I can do to address this? Maybe removing the SIM card ? :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OM2009] airplane mode
thats something i would have liked on my last trip. perhaps some sort of scripting voodoo could disable gps, wiki, gsm, and bluetooth in one shot rather then having to sift through the 4 different shr-settings options. heck even a car mode could be good too On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 12:36 PM, François TOURDE fr...@tourde.org wrote: Le 14414ième jour après Epoch, Warren Baird écrivait: I'm spending about 4 or 5 hours on an airplane tomorrow, and I was wondering if there was a way to make OM2009 safe for use on an airplane - similar to the 'airplane mode' that QTEI provides. I know that there's no UI for it - but is there something I can kill, or some dbus magic I can do to address this? Maybe removing the SIM card ? :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OM2009] airplane mode
nytowl was kind enough to provide the way to turn off GSM to me on the #paroli irc chat: mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device.SetAntennaPower False I'm cleaning things up at work prior to a vacation, so I don't have time to add it to the wiki now - but if no one has done it in the next day or two, I'll add it there somewhere... Warren On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 3:48 PM, jeremy jozwik jerjoz.for...@gmail.comwrote: thats something i would have liked on my last trip. perhaps some sort of scripting voodoo could disable gps, wiki, gsm, and bluetooth in one shot rather then having to sift through the 4 different shr-settings options. heck even a car mode could be good too On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 12:36 PM, François TOURDE fr...@tourde.orgwrote: Le 14414ième jour après Epoch, Warren Baird écrivait: I'm spending about 4 or 5 hours on an airplane tomorrow, and I was wondering if there was a way to make OM2009 safe for use on an airplane - similar to the 'airplane mode' that QTEI provides. I know that there's no UI for it - but is there something I can kill, or some dbus magic I can do to address this? Maybe removing the SIM card ? :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Warren Baird - Photographer and Digital Artist http://www.synergisticimages.ca ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OM2009] airplane mode
But you're allowed to use GPS on airplanes, aren't you? So there needs to be an option to turn GPS on, if wanted. http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070622093234AAVSmN3 http://forums.groundspeak.com/GC/index.php?s=498a551e1c059901bfe0bb8a2c2da5ccshowtopic=187898 r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OM2009] airplane mode
you might be allowed to. but i have yet to actually get a gps lock after leaving the terminal. so whats the point? i tried on several occasions to get it to work. even with a lock in the terminal, after sitting in the plane waiting to taxi i loose the signal On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi wrote: But you're allowed to use GPS on airplanes, aren't you? So there needs to be an option to turn GPS on, if wanted. http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070622093234AAVSmN3 http://forums.groundspeak.com/GC/index.php?s=498a551e1c059901bfe0bb8a2c2da5ccshowtopic=187898 r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OM2009] airplane mode
On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 11:26 PM, jeremy jozwikjerjoz.for...@gmail.com wrote: you might be allowed to. but i have yet to actually get a gps lock after leaving the terminal. so whats the point? i tried on several occasions to get it to work. even with a lock in the terminal, after sitting in the plane waiting to taxi i loose the signal I tried to track a flight once, too. The problem is probably that airplanes are a faraday cage as they're usually made of some kind of metal. I didn't have a window seat to test if one has a signal there. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OM2009] airplane mode
window seat makes no difference : ) in fact for several minuets i was holding my freerunner against the window and got nothing... On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 2:35 PM, Jakob jackram...@googlemail.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 11:26 PM, jeremy jozwikjerjoz.for...@gmail.com wrote: you might be allowed to. but i have yet to actually get a gps lock after leaving the terminal. so whats the point? i tried on several occasions to get it to work. even with a lock in the terminal, after sitting in the plane waiting to taxi i loose the signal I tried to track a flight once, too. The problem is probably that airplanes are a faraday cage as they're usually made of some kind of metal. I didn't have a window seat to test if one has a signal there. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OM2009] airplane mode
Am Freitag, 19. Juni 2009 23:35:17 schrieb Jakob: On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 11:26 PM, jeremy jozwikjerjoz.for...@gmail.com wrote: you might be allowed to. but i have yet to actually get a gps lock after leaving the terminal. so whats the point? i tried on several occasions to get it to work. even with a lock in the terminal, after sitting in the plane waiting to taxi i loose the signal I tried to track a flight once, too. The problem is probably that airplanes are a faraday cage as they're usually made of some kind of metal. I didn't have a window seat to test if one has a signal there. My dad once had a gps track from someone that looked pretty nice, but I don't know details about how he did that... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OM2009] airplane mode
On Friday 19 June 2009 23:26:57 jeremy jozwik wrote: i tried on several occasions to get it to work. even with a lock in the terminal, after sitting in the plane waiting to taxi i loose the signal I tried once and got a fix :P IIRC it was with OM2008.12 in a B737 (Between Stockholm and Paris). With the neo stuck to the windows, it took 15 minutes to get a fix :) But since normal fix raise from more than 2 minutes in an ideal place to less than 30s inside my room, you could expect better result now. (last time I took a plane, my phone was in buzz fix so I didn't retry) -- Vincent MEURISSE ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OM2009] airplane mode
window seat makes no difference : ) in fact for several minuets i was holding my freerunner against the window and got nothing... I used gps on my freerunner successfully on several flights :-). I just pushed FR against the window and got a fix within few minutes. Afterwards, everything worked nicely. I am using an old FSO milestone 5 build; to enable airplane mode there it is sufficient to close zhone ;-). Greets Richard On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 2:35 PM, Jakob jackram...@googlemail.com mailto:jackram...@googlemail.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 11:26 PM, jeremy jozwikjerjoz.for...@gmail.com mailto:jerjoz.for...@gmail.com wrote: you might be allowed to. but i have yet to actually get a gps lock after leaving the terminal. so whats the point? i tried on several occasions to get it to work. even with a lock in the terminal, after sitting in the plane waiting to taxi i loose the signal I tried to track a flight once, too. The problem is probably that airplanes are a faraday cage as they're usually made of some kind of metal. I didn't have a window seat to test if one has a signal there. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OM2009] airplane mode
you might be allowed to. but i have yet to actually get a gps lock after leaving the terminal. so whats the point? i tried on several occasions to get it to work. even with a lock in the terminal, after sitting in the plane waiting to taxi i loose the signal hi, i track flights on regular basis :) what you might find out is: - in terminals, the glass has metal coating so no fix - you can get a fix on a plane easily and track your flight even with fr in the pocket in the seat in front of you (just needs to stick out a bit). make sure you get a fix before departing (see bellow) - during the flight, the blinds get usually shut, but you can stuck your fr right behind it (with a bit of force :) - FSO has a bug in reporting the speed - you will notice in speed above 200km - check between shr settings and tango - FSO is quite unable to get a fix while in 1m altitude and (or) high speed. it sees the satelites, get's a fix and then for some reason something happens and no satelite is being seen anymore. this will repeat fo as long as you leave it. - shr settings would allow you to switch gsm off but unfortunately, although it's fso based, it is too much related to ophonekitd and therefore the whole work will have to be duplicated in distros not using ophonekit. so now the same settings are being worked on for om2009. what a shame... Petr ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OM2009] airplane mode
Hi, On Saturday June 20 2009 00:35:24 Petr Vanek wrote: - in terminals, the glass has metal coating so no fix And I wasted an one hour transit delay by sitting next to the window waiting for a fix..., - during the flight, the blinds get usually shut, but you can stuck your fr right behind it (with a bit of force :) Worked for me (http://www.klomp.eu/gps.jpg) :-) - FSO has a bug in reporting the speed - you will notice in speed above 200km - check between shr settings and tango I didn't checked this. - FSO is quite unable to get a fix while in 1m altitude and (or) high speed. it sees the satelites, get's a fix and then for some reason something happens and no satelite is being seen anymore. this will repeat fo as long as you leave it. I tried with the latest SHR unstable (about 5 weeks ago) and didn't had this problem. Maybe it is fixed? Sven ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
