Re: 25 native [iPhone|OpenMoko] we hope to see

2008-03-05 Thread Ivo Anjo
  so one could set up a xmpp server at home, turn on server side logging and
  some transports to other networks as needed, and then just have a xmpp client
  on the neo that connects to it?

I've never tried installing my own xmpp server, but I'm guessing it's
pretty easy to enable/add server-side logging (if you don't use
end-to-end encryption, of course). A quick search in google revealed
this http://www.nabble.com/logging-conversations-for-big-brother-td13754126.html
.

  or have google done some kind of custom mod for their xmpp server to get this
  to work?

  would be nice if the logs showed up in a imap connection ;)

Google has its own xmpp server implementation, and if you use their
server, you can enable server-side logging. As the logs are added to
the gmail interface, I'm guessing they would show up on imap, but
never tried it (I don't use their xmpp server, since I started using
xmpp before they even had a server).

Ivo Anjo

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Re: 25 native [iPhone|OpenMoko] we hope to see

2008-03-04 Thread Tilman Baumann

joerg wrote:

Am Mo  3. März 2008 schrieb Tilman Baumann:

David Samblas Martinez wrote:

22. Digital level 
Is any side of the phone straigh enough to be able to 
develop such a freaking geek widget?

I could be a funny exercice to play with the
accelerometers.


Sure, at least backside.


No camera, no point. ;)

  Tilman


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I assumed that this would use the camera and overlay some horizontal 
bars or something like that on the live picture to help to level something.
But i realise that you could also simulate a water level on the screen 
and hold the device with it's side onto something.

Sometimes i think a bit complicated...

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Re: 25 native [iPhone|OpenMoko] we hope to see

2008-03-04 Thread Thufir
On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 15:23:07 +0100, kenneth marken wrote:


 heh, i suspect that many of those are in the works or will show up as
 the openmoko phones start to spread out. some of those can even be done
 by ports of existing software, like pidgin for im support of any kind.


Now *that* is a cool idea :)



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Re: 25 native [iPhone|OpenMoko] we hope to see

2008-03-04 Thread Jeff Andros
On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 3:03 AM, Thufir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 15:23:07 +0100, kenneth marken wrote:

 like pidgin for im support of any kind.


 Now *that* is a cool idea :)


probably not pidgin itself, it's not set up for a full screen display... but
libpurple is the engine behind pidgin, all that's needed is a custom
front-end

Personally, I'd like to see a plugin for pidgin that turns it into an IM
proxy... the NEO would connect in to my system here and use pidgin on it...
that way I have unified logs, a single place to sign in, etc

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Re: 25 native [iPhone|OpenMoko] we hope to see

2008-03-04 Thread kenneth marken
On Tuesday 04 March 2008 21:28:11 Jeff Andros wrote:
 On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 3:03 AM, Thufir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 15:23:07 +0100, kenneth marken wrote:
 
  like pidgin for im support of any kind.
 
 
  Now *that* is a cool idea :)

 probably not pidgin itself, it's not set up for a full screen display...
 but libpurple is the engine behind pidgin, all that's needed is a custom
 front-end

 Personally, I'd like to see a plugin for pidgin that turns it into an IM
 proxy... the NEO would connect in to my system here and use pidgin on it...
 that way I have unified logs, a single place to sign in, etc

well, i guess one option would be a xmpp server...

but i dont know about server side logs...

i have been mentally toying with turning xmpp into a kind of mail server...

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Re: 25 native [iPhone|OpenMoko] we hope to see

2008-03-04 Thread ian douglas

Jeff Andros wrote:
Personally, I'd like to see a plugin for pidgin that turns it into an IM 
proxy... the NEO would connect in to my system here and use pidgin on 
it... that way I have unified logs, a single place to sign in, etc


I concur -- running Pidgin on three different platforms, it's a serious 
pain to copy logs and account settings to all machines. The proxy idea 
is an interesting thought.


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Re: 25 native [iPhone|OpenMoko] we hope to see

2008-03-04 Thread Ivo Anjo
When you use google as a jabber/xmpp server, you can enable
server-side logs (they show up on the gmail interface).

With settings, you can always user jabber and transports for other IM
services, so that with one log in you get into all of them.

As for logs, maybe the easiest way is to just write a simple app that
gets them from the neo and merges them with the ones on your pc,
shouldn't be that hard.

Ivo Anjo

On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 9:23 PM, kenneth marken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Tuesday 04 March 2008 21:28:11 Jeff Andros wrote:
   On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 3:03 AM, Thufir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 15:23:07 +0100, kenneth marken wrote:
   
like pidgin for im support of any kind.
   
   
Now *that* is a cool idea :)
  
   probably not pidgin itself, it's not set up for a full screen display...
   but libpurple is the engine behind pidgin, all that's needed is a custom
   front-end
  
   Personally, I'd like to see a plugin for pidgin that turns it into an IM
   proxy... the NEO would connect in to my system here and use pidgin on it...
   that way I have unified logs, a single place to sign in, etc

  well, i guess one option would be a xmpp server...

  but i dont know about server side logs...

  i have been mentally toying with turning xmpp into a kind of mail server...



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Re: 25 native [iPhone|OpenMoko] we hope to see

2008-03-04 Thread Marco Trevisan (Treviño)

Jeff Andros ha scritto:



On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 3:03 AM, Thufir 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 15:23:07 +0100, kenneth marken wrote:

like pidgin for im support of any kind.


Now *that* is a cool idea :)


probably not pidgin itself, it's not set up for a full screen display... 
but libpurple is the engine behind pidgin, all that's needed is a custom 
front-end


Personally, I'd like to see a plugin for pidgin that turns it into an IM 
proxy... the NEO would connect in to my system here and use pidgin on 
it... that way I have unified logs, a single place to sign in, etc



I was thinking that maybe the same way should be used for chatting (and 
maybe more) with skype clients until an openmoko version of skype will 
be relesed (maybe based on that for Nokia maemo) since the closed 
(blah...!) skype client supports has API that maybe could help us!



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Re: 25 native [iPhone|OpenMoko] we hope to see

2008-03-04 Thread kenneth marken
so one could set up a xmpp server at home, turn on server side logging and 
some transports to other networks as needed, and then just have a xmpp client 
on the neo that connects to it? 

or have google done some kind of custom mod for their xmpp server to get this 
to work?

would be nice if the logs showed up in a imap connection ;)

hmm, a imap/xmpp bridge, now thats a thought.

On Wednesday 05 March 2008 00:22:56 Ivo Anjo wrote:
 When you use google as a jabber/xmpp server, you can enable
 server-side logs (they show up on the gmail interface).

 With settings, you can always user jabber and transports for other IM
 services, so that with one log in you get into all of them.

 As for logs, maybe the easiest way is to just write a simple app that
 gets them from the neo and merges them with the ones on your pc,
 shouldn't be that hard.

 Ivo Anjo

 On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 9:23 PM, kenneth marken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Tuesday 04 March 2008 21:28:11 Jeff Andros wrote:
On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 3:03 AM, Thufir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 15:23:07 +0100, kenneth marken wrote:

 like pidgin for im support of any kind.


 Now *that* is a cool idea :)
   
probably not pidgin itself, it's not set up for a full screen
display... but libpurple is the engine behind pidgin, all that's
needed is a custom front-end
   
Personally, I'd like to see a plugin for pidgin that turns it into an
IM proxy... the NEO would connect in to my system here and use pidgin
on it... that way I have unified logs, a single place to sign in, etc
 
   well, i guess one option would be a xmpp server...
 
   but i dont know about server side logs...
 
   i have been mentally toying with turning xmpp into a kind of mail
  server...
 
 
 
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Re: 25 native [iPhone|OpenMoko] we hope to see

2008-03-03 Thread kenneth marken
On Monday 03 March 2008 13:44:53 Breakable wrote:
 Hello there,
 I found this link in Google news. Its a list of applications users might
 want for iPhone.
 http://www.macworld.com/article/132322/2008/03/iphoneapps.html

 I think by replacing iPhone with OpenMoko we would not make a big mistake.
 Regards,
 Ignas

heh, i suspect that many of those are in the works or will show up as the 
openmoko phones start to spread out. some of those can even be done by ports 
of existing software, like pidgin for im support of any kind.

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Re: 25 native [iPhone|OpenMoko] we hope to see

2008-03-03 Thread David Samblas Martinez
I agree with kenneth ,
visit  
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_Core_Applications
and 
http://projects.openmoko.org
to do the matching beetween this list and the
developed/working progress/planned application for
openmoko

but there is one on this list that is not in any of
the pages above.

22. Digital level 
Is any side of the phone straigh enough to be able to 
develop such a freaking geek widget?
I could be a funny exercice to play with the
accelerometers.
 --- kenneth marken [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: 
 On Monday 03 March 2008 13:44:53 Breakable wrote:
  Hello there,
  I found this link in Google news. Its a list of
 applications users might
  want for iPhone.
 

http://www.macworld.com/article/132322/2008/03/iphoneapps.html
 
  I think by replacing iPhone with OpenMoko we would
 not make a big mistake.
  Regards,
  Ignas
 
 heh, i suspect that many of those are in the works
 or will show up as the 
 openmoko phones start to spread out. some of those
 can even be done by ports 
 of existing software, like pidgin for im support of
 any kind.
 
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Re: 25 native [iPhone|OpenMoko] we hope to see

2008-03-03 Thread Tilman Baumann

David Samblas Martinez wrote:

22. Digital level 
Is any side of the phone straigh enough to be able to 
develop such a freaking geek widget?

I could be a funny exercice to play with the
accelerometers.


No camera, no point. ;)

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Re: 25 native [iPhone|OpenMoko] we hope to see

2008-03-03 Thread joerg
Am Mo  3. März 2008 schrieb Tilman Baumann:
 David Samblas Martinez wrote:
 
  22. Digital level 
  Is any side of the phone straigh enough to be able to 
  develop such a freaking geek widget?
  I could be a funny exercice to play with the
  accelerometers.

Sure, at least backside.

 
 No camera, no point. ;)
 
   Tilman

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Re: 25 native [iPhone|OpenMoko] we hope to see

2008-03-03 Thread Gora Mohanty
On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 16:17:42 +0100 (CET)
David Samblas Martinez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...]
 22. Digital level 
 Is any side of the phone straigh enough to be able to 
 develop such a freaking geek widget?
 I could be a funny exercice to play with the
 accelerometers.
[...]

The Neo 1973 does not have accelerometers, does it?

The above would tickle my geek bone enough to do it
if the Neo 1973 had accelerometers. I have an old
Simputer that does have accelerometers, and has a
great game which is a computer analogue of a child's
handheld game. The real-life game is usually made
out of cheap plastic, and has a series of concentric
circular ridges with offset openings. A set of
(usually) three ball bearings can be rolled around
along the ridges. The objective of the game is to get
all three bearings into the inner most circle.

See
http://brainchunk.blogspot.com/2007/11/n95-application-wishlist-golgoli-game.html
for a picture of the game.

Regards,
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Re: 25 native [iPhone|OpenMoko] we hope to see

2008-03-03 Thread Andrea Debortoli
FreeRunner has accelerometers...
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware#Accelerometers

GTA01 does not :-(

2008/3/3, Gora Mohanty [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 16:17:42 +0100 (CET)
 David Samblas Martinez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 [...]

  22. Digital level
  Is any side of the phone straigh enough to be able to
  develop such a freaking geek widget?
  I could be a funny exercice to play with the
  accelerometers.

 [...]

 The Neo 1973 does not have accelerometers, does it?

 The above would tickle my geek bone enough to do it
 if the Neo 1973 had accelerometers. I have an old
 Simputer that does have accelerometers, and has a
 great game which is a computer analogue of a child's
 handheld game. The real-life game is usually made
 out of cheap plastic, and has a series of concentric
 circular ridges with offset openings. A set of
 (usually) three ball bearings can be rolled around
 along the ridges. The objective of the game is to get
 all three bearings into the inner most circle.

 See
 
 http://brainchunk.blogspot.com/2007/11/n95-application-wishlist-golgoli-game.html
 
 for a picture of the game.

 Regards,

 Gora



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Re: 25 native [iPhone|OpenMoko] we hope to see

2008-03-03 Thread David Samblas Martinez
I was thinking on freerunner not 1973 sorry gora

Andrea Debortoli [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: FreeRunner has accelerometers...
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware#Accelerometers

GTA01 does not :-(
 
2008/3/3, Gora Mohanty [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 16:17:42 +0100 
(CET)
 David Samblas Martinez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 [...]
 
 22. Digital level
  Is any side of the phone straigh enough to be able to
   develop such a freaking geek widget?
  I could be a funny exercice to play with the
  accelerometers.
 
[...]
 
 The Neo 1973 does not have accelerometers, does it?
 
 The above would tickle my geek bone enough to do it
  if the Neo 1973 had accelerometers. I have an old
 Simputer that does have accelerometers, and has a
 great game which is a computer analogue of a child's
 handheld game. The real-life game is usually made
  out of cheap plastic, and has a series of concentric
 circular ridges with offset openings. A set of
 (usually) three ball bearings can be rolled around
 along the ridges. The objective of the game is to get
  all three bearings into the inner most circle.
 
 See
 
http://brainchunk.blogspot.com/2007/11/n95-application-wishlist-golgoli-game.html
  for a picture of the game.
 
 Regards,
 
Gora
 

 
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