Re: AGPS Thoughts
Al Johnson wrote: On Tuesday 31 March 2009, Helge Hafting wrote: [...] The info cannot be considered very secret, seeing that O2 already broadcast such stuff. Or for Germans, ask them if they can provide the same kind of location service so you won't have to switch to O2. ;-) In the UK they would prefer this data to be secret - see link below. I see. Still, I see that the not entirely up-to-date information they have may be forcibly released. That ought to help for AGPS purposes, even if some new towers aren't listed. And then there is the hope that at least some telcos will see the light. Helge Hafting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: AGPS Thoughts
On Wednesday 01 April 2009, Helge Hafting wrote: Al Johnson wrote: On Tuesday 31 March 2009, Helge Hafting wrote: [...] The info cannot be considered very secret, seeing that O2 already broadcast such stuff. Or for Germans, ask them if they can provide the same kind of location service so you won't have to switch to O2. ;-) In the UK they would prefer this data to be secret - see link below. I see. Still, I see that the not entirely up-to-date information they have may be forcibly released. That ought to help for AGPS purposes, even if some new towers aren't listed. It may have been released, but they still hold the copyright. In many (most?) jurisdictions you will need a license to use it for AGPS purposes, and I doubt they'll be granting one. And then there is the hope that at least some telcos will see the light. Indeed, but on past experience I expect to be waiting a long time! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: AGPS Thoughts
Sebastian Hammerl list-openm...@omoco.de writes: 1.) anyone knows a was to get the coordinates of area codes? Openstreetmap has postal codes but not telephone area codes. Can you map postal codes to telephone area codes? 2.) anyone wants to try to code something in this direction? Wouldn't it be much easier to just improve opencellid.org so that at least all lac's are covered? 3.) is anyone interested in a program that would give agps the needed data (so perhaps when I get the time I will start coding :) ) There are already several programs to feed agps data. What new do you need? I use http://svn.openmoko.org/developers/matt_hsu/agps-online/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: AGPS Thoughts
Timo Juhani Lindfors schrieb: Sebastian Hammerl list-openm...@omoco.de writes: 1.) anyone knows a was to get the coordinates of area codes? Openstreetmap has postal codes but not telephone area codes. Can you map postal codes to telephone area codes? 2.) anyone wants to try to code something in this direction? Wouldn't it be much easier to just improve opencellid.org so that at least all lac's are covered? 3.) is anyone interested in a program that would give agps the needed data (so perhaps when I get the time I will start coding :) ) There are already several programs to feed agps data. What new do you need? I use http://svn.openmoko.org/developers/matt_hsu/agps-online/ all these program need a gps position. I want a program that gets your rough location and feeds it to the agps program so that I do have to care about where I am and get the optimal results. Sebastian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: AGPS Thoughts
Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: Sebastian Hammerl list-openm...@omoco.de writes: 1.) anyone knows a was to get the coordinates of area codes? Openstreetmap has postal codes but not telephone area codes. Can you map postal codes to telephone area codes? 2.) anyone wants to try to code something in this direction? Wouldn't it be much easier to just improve opencellid.org so that at least all lac's are covered? Have someone tried writing to telcos, asking them to contribute the positions for their cells? This is very little work for them, and could be marketed as a cool move. Not only for openmoko owners, anyone can use opencellID information. The info cannot be considered very secret, seeing that O2 already broadcast such stuff. Or for Germans, ask them if they can provide the same kind of location service so you won't have to switch to O2. ;-) Helge Hafting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: AGPS Thoughts
Sebastian Hammerl list-openm...@omoco.de writes: all these program need a gps position. I want a program that gets your No they don't. agps-onlinec takes latitude and longitude. It does not need to come from GPS. I feed it the coordinates of the nearby gsm cell. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: AGPS Thoughts
Timo Juhani Lindfors schrieb: Sebastian Hammerl list-openm...@omoco.de writes: all these program need a gps position. I want a program that gets your No they don't. agps-onlinec takes latitude and longitude. It does not need to come from GPS. I feed it the coordinates of the nearby gsm cell. but where do you get the gsm coordinates from? thats the whole point! we need something where we can get the rough location and i do not know anything. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: AGPS Thoughts
Sebastian Hammerl list-openm...@omoco.de writes: but where do you get the gsm coordinates from? thats the whole point! we need something where we can get the rough location and i do not know anything. From opencellid database. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: AGPS Thoughts
Timo Juhani Lindfors schrieb: Sebastian Hammerl list-openm...@omoco.de writes: but where do you get the gsm coordinates from? thats the whole point! we need something where we can get the rough location and i do not know anything. From opencellid database. But that means that there has been anyone before and has mapped this cell. i think it is possible to get the rough location data for everwhere, independend from a community built database, like if you get the data from the lac or something else. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: AGPS Thoughts
On Tuesday 31 March 2009, Helge Hafting wrote: Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: Sebastian Hammerl list-openm...@omoco.de writes: 1.) anyone knows a was to get the coordinates of area codes? Openstreetmap has postal codes but not telephone area codes. Can you map postal codes to telephone area codes? 2.) anyone wants to try to code something in this direction? Wouldn't it be much easier to just improve opencellid.org so that at least all lac's are covered? Have someone tried writing to telcos, asking them to contribute the positions for their cells? This is very little work for them, and could be marketed as a cool move. Not only for openmoko owners, anyone can use opencellID information. The info cannot be considered very secret, seeing that O2 already broadcast such stuff. Or for Germans, ask them if they can provide the same kind of location service so you won't have to switch to O2. ;-) In the UK they would prefer this data to be secret - see link below. http://www.sitefinder.ofcom.org.uk/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
