Re: Entry level Ubuntu smartphone
Hi Nikolaus, i hope not so. Am Freitag, den 04.01.2013, 13:22 +0100 schrieb Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller: As analysed above I doubt they are interested in Ubuntu Phones. They want to see it running on any phone. I think it will be the same as with computers. You have Windows preinstalled and 90% of the Users will use it. And on computers it's relative easy to change the operating system. On a mobile you have much more optimization to the hardware. The iphone has only his success because the software fits optimal to the hardware (speed, touchscreen, etc.) - of course android has now done the same - better user interface, faster, etc.) I think it will be bad marketing, when we see phone X with ubuntu, when it's slow, you can't use the hardware buttons, etc ... Perhaps it will run with optimization, but it think the normal user will not do it. ubuntu phone needs for me a label on the hardware. with kind regards Patrick ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Entry level Ubuntu smartphone
Am 04.01.2013 um 08:55 schrieb Patryk Benderz: [cut] Perhaps it would be a good idea to inform Canonical about your project. gta04 will be a good testing plattform for them and perhaps they can contribute in different ways to the project. [cut] Exactly: we already have testing platform for them... maybe they can repay with some money investment into the device which we lack? As a To me it appears that they don't want to focus on a single hardware platform and therefore ask OEMs and ODMs to get their porting support. Let's take a place in their driver seat. What do they see? A plethora of devices and vendors on which no Ubuntu is running yet. So they try to get everybody. And will most likely start with those who already are big players not tied to their own OS (Apple, RIM) or big partner (like Nokia-MS). E.g. HTC, LG, HP, Acer, maybe even Samsung etc. If there is anyone going to CES, please talk to them! return, could it be possible to brand GTA04 as a Ubuntu Phone, or is As analysed above I doubt they are interested in Ubuntu Phones. They want to see it running on any phone. it against our ideology? The OpenPhoneux should not be tied and favour one specific OS. It should be and remain open to run everthing! I.e.: * QtMoko * SHR * Angstrom * Debian LXDE * Debian something else * Replicant * RowBoat * Ubuntu Mobile * please extend yourself... This makes a difference. It gives choice and options for experimenting. But I also see an opportunity for a small business startup that someone could be interested to bundle GTA04 devices with some preinstalled software distro (other than the Debian/LXDE hw-validation image) for special target groups. E.g. a QtMoko Phone or a Replicant Phone. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Entry level Ubuntu smartphone
[cut] The OpenPhoneux should not be tied and favour one specific OS. It should be and remain open to run everthing! I meant only branding. Like putting a sticker with Ubuntu Logo on back/front of the phone. For me it was obvious, that the phone itself would remain open - sorry if I was not clear enough :) -- Patryk LeadMan Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Entry level Ubuntu smartphone
Am 04.01.2013 um 13:56 schrieb Patryk Benderz: [cut] The OpenPhoneux should not be tied and favour one specific OS. It should be and remain open to run everthing! I meant only branding. Like putting a sticker with Ubuntu Logo on back/front of the phone. For me it was obvious, that the phone itself would remain open - sorry if I was not clear enough :) No worry - but then we have to put a lot of stickers on it or people start to think that it is only for that one OS, although it isn't. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Entry level Ubuntu smartphone
[cut] No worry - but then we have to put a lot of stickers on it or people start to think that it is only for that one OS, although it isn't. ...now I get your point. :/ -- Patryk LeadMan Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Entry level Ubuntu smartphone
2013/1/4 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com: The OpenPhoneux should not be tied and favour one specific OS. It should be and remain open to run everthing! I meant only branding. Like putting a sticker with Ubuntu Logo on back/front of the phone. For me it was obvious, that the phone itself would remain open - sorry if I was not clear enough :) No worry - but then we have to put a lot of stickers on it or people start to think that it is only for that one OS, although it isn't. I think there is something to this idea here, and my thoughts are more related to different ways OpenPhoenux products could be branded or marketed than any technical aspect. I could envision other retailers that would do the marketing effort / extra polishing into a more complete / _slightly_ broader target market out-of-the-box product. So built on GTA04, the most open phone platform out there, running the best free software UX that exists (when such exists and is ported), ready to use right away. Kind of like what Openmoko Inc did in its time. They did pretty good marketing, even a little too good for their own good considering the actual problems as a phone in first years. As a small example, Pulster seemed to have a try at a consumer friendly GTA04 simply by buying 10 full GTA04:s ready to use and then re-selling. I could easily see also myself in the group of people that orders something that needs zero additional work and is on stock, if I didn't already have a GTA04 (for which I had the motherboard switch as a service). With the current small screen the future free UX:s (Ubuntu, Mer's Nemo Firefox OS?) are challenging possibly. Although since we've resistive screen the small size of objects can be partially fixed by promoting it as a small pen usable device - like Galaxy Note but tiny - oh see, marketing! It's really like a smaller, sturdier Samsung Galaxy Note ;) On the other hand, both the UX:s and fitting them onto GTA04/OpenPhoenux will take until end of the year easily, at which point there might be advances in possibilities of having somewhat newer case/screen options. -Timo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Entry level Ubuntu smartphone
Hi Keeping in mind huge Ubuntu's users base, this might be quite a chance for GTA04 or it's successor, to have a lot of new users and a way enter mass production. Ima buyin ! Where's the lineup ? cu *-pike ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Entry level Ubuntu smartphone
Hi, Am 03.01.2013 um 11:22 schrieb Patryk Benderz: Hi all, and especially Nikolaus, here http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/phone/operators-and-oems they write: We have the needs of [...] OEMs and ODMs in mind in bringing Ubuntu to the phone. Yes, this is great news! Keeping in mind huge Ubuntu's users base, this might be quite a chance for GTA04 or it's successor, to have a lot of new users and a way enter mass production. It is also a chance to supply mass market with open hardware devices. The tricky part is to provide the device before others do, and provide it with decent, flat chassis. Yes, if we really want to aim at the masses, this would be the way. Be very fast, i.e. the first to get new technology and get it into production before anybody else does. This gives a first mover advantage and allows to sell at a higher initial price (skimming strategy). Am I thinking right, Nikolaus? Unfortunately, this does only work for Apple or Samsung and a handful of other OEMs and ODMs. They already have the money (through investors and past success) to acquire any new technology exclusively before anybody else can get it. And they can pay the best engineers they find on the world so that they don't work for anybody else. By this they can make small, slim and nice looking devices with innovative features (display resolution, e-ink, flexible displays, etc.). And Apple and Samsung are even designing their own ARM chips... Unfortunately we are running far behind their position :( and the only currency to put on the table we have is community spirit, ingenuity and volunteers work. So we have to use a different strategy. Not aim at the masses, because we are a too small organization to fulfill their needs (lowest possible price). And not focus on any specific software on the device. Therefore I think we have to do it differently: be open to anyone, but focus on the needs of our special interest community. Enable our community to port this Ubuntu to a GTA04 and new models (which should not be a major challenge since we already have Debian and Replicant). And provide some hardware features the big brands don't provide but are interesting to our open source minded community: e.g. open schematics, replaceable battery, RS232 interface, extension options, DIY case, etc. This differentiates our activities from the other OEMs and ODMs. Of course we have to sacrifice some big wishes: slim design, really low price, latest technology others will show at CES etc. If anyone is interested to work on porting this Ubunto edition, please raise fingers! Support to do that is available on the gta04-owner list. BR, Nikolaus P.S. Yura: when starting new topic, it's better to start new thread instead of replying to some old thread. -- Patryk LeadMan Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Entry level Ubuntu smartphone
Hi Nikolaus, thanks for the great work von gta04. Perhaps it would be a good idea to inform Canonical about your project. gta04 will be a good testing plattform for them and perhaps they can contribute in different ways to the project. with kind regards. Patrick 2013/1/3 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com Hi, Am 03.01.2013 um 11:22 schrieb Patryk Benderz: Hi all, and especially Nikolaus, here http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/phone/operators-and-oems they write: We have the needs of [...] OEMs and ODMs in mind in bringing Ubuntu to the phone. Yes, this is great news! Keeping in mind huge Ubuntu's users base, this might be quite a chance for GTA04 or it's successor, to have a lot of new users and a way enter mass production. It is also a chance to supply mass market with open hardware devices. The tricky part is to provide the device before others do, and provide it with decent, flat chassis. Yes, if we really want to aim at the masses, this would be the way. Be very fast, i.e. the first to get new technology and get it into production before anybody else does. This gives a first mover advantage and allows to sell at a higher initial price (skimming strategy). Am I thinking right, Nikolaus? Unfortunately, this does only work for Apple or Samsung and a handful of other OEMs and ODMs. They already have the money (through investors and past success) to acquire any new technology exclusively before anybody else can get it. And they can pay the best engineers they find on the world so that they don't work for anybody else. By this they can make small, slim and nice looking devices with innovative features (display resolution, e-ink, flexible displays, etc.). And Apple and Samsung are even designing their own ARM chips... Unfortunately we are running far behind their position :( and the only currency to put on the table we have is community spirit, ingenuity and volunteers work. So we have to use a different strategy. Not aim at the masses, because we are a too small organization to fulfill their needs (lowest possible price). And not focus on any specific software on the device. Therefore I think we have to do it differently: be open to anyone, but focus on the needs of our special interest community. Enable our community to port this Ubuntu to a GTA04 and new models (which should not be a major challenge since we already have Debian and Replicant). And provide some hardware features the big brands don't provide but are interesting to our open source minded community: e.g. open schematics, replaceable battery, RS232 interface, extension options, DIY case, etc. This differentiates our activities from the other OEMs and ODMs. Of course we have to sacrifice some big wishes: slim design, really low price, latest technology others will show at CES etc. If anyone is interested to work on porting this Ubunto edition, please raise fingers! Support to do that is available on the gta04-owner list. BR, Nikolaus P.S. Yura: when starting new topic, it's better to start new thread instead of replying to some old thread. -- Patryk LeadMan Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Entry level Ubuntu smartphone
Am 03.01.2013 um 20:22 schrieb Patrick Beck: Hi Nikolaus, thanks for the great work von gta04. Perhaps it would be a good idea to inform Canonical about your project. gta04 will be a good testing plattform for them and perhaps they can contribute in different ways to the project. Maybe if someone is visiting CES next week, he/she could talk to them? http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/phone/contact-us Another info from that page: it will not be ready for users before 4Q2013. with kind regards. Patrick 2013/1/3 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com Hi, Am 03.01.2013 um 11:22 schrieb Patryk Benderz: Hi all, and especially Nikolaus, here http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/phone/operators-and-oems they write: We have the needs of [...] OEMs and ODMs in mind in bringing Ubuntu to the phone. Yes, this is great news! Keeping in mind huge Ubuntu's users base, this might be quite a chance for GTA04 or it's successor, to have a lot of new users and a way enter mass production. It is also a chance to supply mass market with open hardware devices. The tricky part is to provide the device before others do, and provide it with decent, flat chassis. Yes, if we really want to aim at the masses, this would be the way. Be very fast, i.e. the first to get new technology and get it into production before anybody else does. This gives a first mover advantage and allows to sell at a higher initial price (skimming strategy). Am I thinking right, Nikolaus? Unfortunately, this does only work for Apple or Samsung and a handful of other OEMs and ODMs. They already have the money (through investors and past success) to acquire any new technology exclusively before anybody else can get it. And they can pay the best engineers they find on the world so that they don't work for anybody else. By this they can make small, slim and nice looking devices with innovative features (display resolution, e-ink, flexible displays, etc.). And Apple and Samsung are even designing their own ARM chips... Unfortunately we are running far behind their position :( and the only currency to put on the table we have is community spirit, ingenuity and volunteers work. So we have to use a different strategy. Not aim at the masses, because we are a too small organization to fulfill their needs (lowest possible price). And not focus on any specific software on the device. Therefore I think we have to do it differently: be open to anyone, but focus on the needs of our special interest community. Enable our community to port this Ubuntu to a GTA04 and new models (which should not be a major challenge since we already have Debian and Replicant). And provide some hardware features the big brands don't provide but are interesting to our open source minded community: e.g. open schematics, replaceable battery, RS232 interface, extension options, DIY case, etc. This differentiates our activities from the other OEMs and ODMs. Of course we have to sacrifice some big wishes: slim design, really low price, latest technology others will show at CES etc. If anyone is interested to work on porting this Ubunto edition, please raise fingers! Support to do that is available on the gta04-owner list. BR, Nikolaus P.S. Yura: when starting new topic, it's better to start new thread instead of replying to some old thread. -- Patryk LeadMan Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Entry level Ubuntu smartphone
[cut] Perhaps it would be a good idea to inform Canonical about your project. gta04 will be a good testing plattform for them and perhaps they can contribute in different ways to the project. [cut] Exactly: we already have testing platform for them... maybe they can repay with some money investment into the device which we lack? As a return, could it be possible to brand GTA04 as a Ubuntu Phone, or is it against our ideology? -- Patryk LeadMan Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
