Re: Linux 2.6.38?
On Wednesday 19 January 2011 20:34:25 Paul Wise wrote: Hi all, Are any of the 2.6.37 patches merged into mainline 2.6.38-rc1? Is it too late for them to be merged or are they mostly fixes that could be submitted for mainline inclusion outside the (now closed) merge window? You may want to look at some threads on openmoko-ker...@lists.openmoko.org -- Alishams Hassam ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: linux under one second
Am 30.04.2010 um 09:19 schrieb flecktor: i heard they made linux under 1 second. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUWBkIquQaI is there any distrobution that will take that and made it available for the openmoko? First, the Openmoko devices are way slower than the presented device. Second, it depends on your definition of booting. What this demo does is reading a kernel from somewhere and launching into a one-process userland, most likely skipping any init processes. They don't initialize slow peripherals such as a modem nor show a launcher. Our Linux (as in kernel) boots in a handful of seconds as well. Right now most distributions use sysvinit, which is the reason why it takes a couple of more minutes after booting to show a desktop. Witha proper replacement, (such as my pet-project fso-boot), I'm sure we can get to 30 seconds until PIN dialog as well – which IMO would be quite amazing given the hardware. (FWIW, on my HTC Dream w/ Zhone2 it's 10 seconds until PIN dialog – no X though, just framebuffer). :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Linux dyn-ticks on S3C24xx support?
Thanks for the info. Hopefully the recent frequency scaling patch[1] will help. I'm also excited about the FSCE patches[2], hopefully that will get upstream soon. 1. http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td3920523 2. http://lists.arm.linux.org.uk/lurker/message/20091001.203525.e1d1afd4.en.html -- bye, pabs http://bonedaddy.net/pabs3/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Linux International and Openmoko
Jon 'maddog' Hall wrote: If the Openmoko community is interested in pursuing this, I would be happy to discuss LI's plans further with you, and how Openmoko could fit into this. I think putting gta02-core and similar projects under the wings of LI is a wonderful idea ! We already discussed some of this a few days ago. Below are some hopefully not too random thoughts on the things a project like gta02-core needs and how they fit with what I think an organization like LI can provide. For technical projects like gta02-core, one of the most important roles of such an organization would be to enter contracts and to maintain rights that exist beyond and across projects. For example, if we need to enter an NDA for some purpose, also follow-on projects should be able to use this NDA without having to re-negotiate it (which can be very difficult if not impossible.) I'm not familiar with the subtleties that distinguish the various forms of organization, and their impact on commercial activities, but I think we can identify a few types of such activities that are likely to be necessary: For projects like gta02-core and possible successors, it would be important to purchase goods (e.g., components), contract services (e.g., PCB making or an SMT run), sell products (e.g., boards or complete phones), and to save some of the revenue for later activities (e.g., purchase of material). Furthermore, it should be possible to hire or contract people for roles that are beyond the scope of mere volunteer activities. The international chapters certainly resonate well with the global interest in open phone development that we've experienced with Openmoko. Regarding international members, is there any special paperwork they need to do to join LI as members or to perform tasks in which they represent LI (or a sub-group ?) to some extent, e.g., negotiate a contract ? If none of the items above raises a red flag, I'd say this should be an excellent match. The experience of LI would help projects like gta02-core to establish a solid organizational framework, and the prominence of LI would help gain visibility, attract participants, and open doors for industry contacts. When these bustling projects are successful in bringing openness, both for hard- and software, into new areas and to new users, this would in turn be just what LI aims for. So I'd like to thank you for the invitation, and I'm very excited about the prospect of joining forces with LI. - Werner ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Linux International and Openmoko
Thank you Dr. Schaller, Your suggestions, both about the business of Openmoko, and the paths forward for the company have been an inspiration to me. Not to mention your dogged determination in helping us get the buzz fix out to the community. Had we not taken your suggestions and adopted your program our community would still be buzzed! Thanks also for helping our partners in North America bring your program to that continent. Steve Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: I am very happy that my ideas that I had expressed and discussed beginning of April (and even non-public in March) http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/gta03/2009-April/06.html have inspired many people: Steve who pushed for a GTA03 mailing list and opening the design process, Werner who now runs the GTA02-core project and now thank you Jon for proposals to give the community a new home! IMHO, the community is now again going in the right (future oriented) direction and I am happy to see that. Nikolaus http://www.handheld-linux.com by Golden Delicious Computers Am 06.06.2009 um 18:42 schrieb Jon 'maddog' Hall: Hello, I understand that there has been a discussion on this list about having a foundation that would represent the community of Openmoko. Fifteen years ago Linux International was created to provide services for the Linux community. It was started as a vendor organization, at a time when there were not many vendors interested in Linux. We handled a lot of legal and business issues for Linux: o Protected the Linux Trademark from people that would kidnap it for various reasons o Helped to start two certification organizations (we funded some of the original testing work for LPI certification) o Helped to start the Linux Standard Base project, which became the Free Standards Group o Helped to form what became Linuxworld o Helped many local user groups start local events, most notably the Atlanta LinuxFest and the Ohio LinuxFest We tended to split off the groups we formed, afraid that one vendor organization would provide too much power in a centralized organization. For various reasons as larger companies started to show interest in Linux, our membership went to form OSDL, which now is the Linux Foundation. Linux International as an organization has been dormant for about five years. I have still been spreading the word about Free Software at conferences, through magazine articles and media interviews. Recently I came up with the idea of reforming Linux International into an end user organization, with the concept that no company could join as a member, nor sit on the board of directors as a member. Only individual end users could hold membership, vote, etc. Of course almost everybody is an end user of some type of software, so the membership would be quite open. I have been working to change the charter of LI to reflect this. Recently I started another project, not a phone, but otherwise similar in its needs to Openmoko. This other project will have a community, be completely open, and needs an umbrella organization to help with legal work, etc. I intend on forming a sub-group of LI for this project. I could offer the same to Openmoko, to be a sub-group of LI. Linux International is already a legal entity. We are a not-for-profit in the state of New Hampshire, U.S.A. There are reasons why LI is a not-for-profit instead of a non-profit (501c3 or 501c6) which have to do with ease of applying revenues, etc. Nothing stops LI from becoming a 501c6 (501c3 is very restrictive), and nothing would stop the sub-group of Openmoko from becoming a non-profit, if that is desired. Likewise the plans for LI are to have country chapters, with separate boards for each country chapter. This was planned way before the current issue with Openmoko, but you could take advantage of the planned structure if you wish. LI would solicit sponsorships to help fund its work which could come from companies, but again the voting membership would be from individuals only. The things that LI does would be Open to all. We do plan on having some things we charge for, to cover costs. If the Openmoko community is interested in pursuing this, I would be happy to discuss LI's plans further with you, and how Openmoko could fit into this. Warmest regards, Jon maddog Hall -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux International(R) email: mad...@li.org 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. Cell: +1.603.943. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association Board Member Emeritus: USENIX Association (2000-2006) (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. (R)Linux International is a registered trademark in the USA used pursuant to a license from Linux Mark Institute, authorized
Re: Linux International and Openmoko
Jon 'maddog' Hall a écrit : Hello, (...) Recently I started another project, not a phone, but otherwise similar in its needs to Openmoko. This other project will have a community, be completely open, and needs an umbrella organization to help with legal work, etc. I intend on forming a sub-group of LI for this project. I could offer the same to Openmoko, to be a sub-group of LI. (...) Jon maddog Hall Thanks Jon, it's a very fair proposition. I'm just the little guy who started to speak in french about Openmoko one year ago [1] (with Bearstech's help), one of these end-users you're talking about. But I really want to support the Openmoko initiative because I hardly believe in open this hardware revolution. As I told previously [2], I think an open umbrella foundation can be a good option. Why not Linux International ? Before legal works, the community needs organization to be as efficient as possible with its ressources. (I'm sure there's a lot of people like me who really want to help but know what should they do first) Now I hope that key people of the worldwide community will join this opinion ... and let's go ! [1] http://openmoko-fr.org/blog [2] http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-June/049170.html -- swap38 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Linux International and Openmoko
Jon, I like the idea and as swap38, you can count on me as member and I will do my best as I allways try. 2009/6/7 swap38 swa...@openmoko-fr.org: Jon 'maddog' Hall a écrit : Hello, (...) Recently I started another project, not a phone, but otherwise similar in its needs to Openmoko. This other project will have a community, be completely open, and needs an umbrella organization to help with legal work, etc. I intend on forming a sub-group of LI for this project. I could offer the same to Openmoko, to be a sub-group of LI. (...) Jon maddog Hall Thanks Jon, it's a very fair proposition. I'm just the little guy who started to speak in french about Openmoko one year ago [1] (with Bearstech's help), one of these end-users you're talking about. But I really want to support the Openmoko initiative because I hardly believe in open this hardware revolution. As I told previously [2], I think an open umbrella foundation can be a good option. Why not Linux International ? Before legal works, the community needs organization to be as efficient as possible with its ressources. (I'm sure there's a lot of people like me who really want to help but know what should they do first) Now I hope that key people of the worldwide community will join this opinion ... and let's go ! [1] http://openmoko-fr.org/blog [2] http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-June/049170.html -- swap38 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable embedded solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, Arduino Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Linux International and Openmoko
On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Jon 'maddog' Hallmad...@li.org wrote: Hello, I understand that there has been a discussion on this list about having a foundation that would represent the community of Openmoko. Fifteen years ago Linux International was created to provide services for the Linux community. It was started as a vendor organization, at a time when there were not many vendors interested in Linux. We handled a lot of legal and business issues for Linux: o Protected the Linux Trademark from people that would kidnap it for various reasons o Helped to start two certification organizations (we funded some of the original testing work for LPI certification) o Helped to start the Linux Standard Base project, which became the Free Standards Group o Helped to form what became Linuxworld o Helped many local user groups start local events, most notably the Atlanta LinuxFest and the Ohio LinuxFest We tended to split off the groups we formed, afraid that one vendor organization would provide too much power in a centralized organization. For various reasons as larger companies started to show interest in Linux, our membership went to form OSDL, which now is the Linux Foundation. Linux International as an organization has been dormant for about five years. I have still been spreading the word about Free Software at conferences, through magazine articles and media interviews. Recently I came up with the idea of reforming Linux International into an end user organization, with the concept that no company could join as a member, nor sit on the board of directors as a member. Only individual end users could hold membership, vote, etc. Of course almost everybody is an end user of some type of software, so the membership would be quite open. I have been working to change the charter of LI to reflect this. Recently I started another project, not a phone, but otherwise similar in its needs to Openmoko. This other project will have a community, be completely open, and needs an umbrella organization to help with legal work, etc. I intend on forming a sub-group of LI for this project. I could offer the same to Openmoko, to be a sub-group of LI. Linux International is already a legal entity. We are a not-for-profit in the state of New Hampshire, U.S.A. There are reasons why LI is a not-for-profit instead of a non-profit (501c3 or 501c6) which have to do with ease of applying revenues, etc. Nothing stops LI from becoming a 501c6 (501c3 is very restrictive), and nothing would stop the sub-group of Openmoko from becoming a non-profit, if that is desired. Likewise the plans for LI are to have country chapters, with separate boards for each country chapter. This was planned way before the current issue with Openmoko, but you could take advantage of the planned structure if you wish. LI would solicit sponsorships to help fund its work which could come from companies, but again the voting membership would be from individuals only. The things that LI does would be Open to all. We do plan on having some things we charge for, to cover costs. If the Openmoko community is interested in pursuing this, I would be happy to discuss LI's plans further with you, and how Openmoko could fit into this. Warmest regards, Jon maddog Hall -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux International(R) email: mad...@li.org 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. Cell: +1.603.943. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association Board Member Emeritus: USENIX Association (2000-2006) (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. (R)Linux International is a registered trademark in the USA used pursuant to a license from Linux Mark Institute, authorized licensor of Linus Torvalds, owner of the Linux trademark on a worldwide basis (R)UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the USA and other countries. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Thank you Jon for this wonderful offer. As a semi-regular user of the Freerunner and up till now mostly a lurker in the community, I'm interested in knowing more about what you have in mind. I've been involved with a few grassroots (unincorporated) organizations and having an incorporated group for incubation can work really well. Eventually the community will probably need its own separate incorporated body, but having an incubator lets us take our time to get things right. Even if the community decides not to accept your offer, I'd be interested in hearing more about your plans for Linux International as an end-user organization. I checked out the website but it looks like you're still putting things together. ___ Openmoko
Re: Linux PDA with wifi?
On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 08:54:23PM -0700, Ian Stephen wrote: On May 31, 2008, Mike wrote: If I wanted a PDA the runs linux and has wifi, and gets good battery life, any suggestions? I've got a Nokia N800. Much less expensive than the N810, but 810 has some things 800 doesn't. Key difference, at least for me, is that the N810 has a keyboard. Very important for me, but YMMV. Battery life is from 1 day to 1 week or so depending on how I'm using it. Wifi reception is the best of any device I've used. 2 SD slots that are SDHC compatible so plenty of storage. N810 has only one Mini-SDHC slot (in practice that means one uses a Micro-SDHC card in an adapter in there) and 2 GB of internal (as in: soldered in) flash card. So far I'm fine with that. Fits a jacket or shirt pocket just fine. I use GPE calendar, todo, timesheet; camera, gnumeric and Maemopad+ daily. PDF viewer occasionally. Am very happy with it. Look forward to getting a bluetooth keyboard (perhaps iFrog). Xournal is also a very nice application. Another one is fbreader, turning your PDA into a mobile library. One regret is that I didn't put a screen protector on right away. Now has a scratchy feeling place on screen where I write the most. Oh, and the hand-writing recognition works much better for me than Palm's Grafitti 2 does. I never use the HWR - thats what the keyboard is for ;-) One gotcha to watch for is that Maemopad+ db main table data is lost if the device battery runs out with the application open. In my case I was able to recover the db with data from its backup table using a cli sqlite3 client. *ouch* Regards, Alex. -- Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work. -- Thomas A. Edison ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Linux PDA with wifi?
On Sunday 01 June 2008 00:39:00 Mike wrote: If I wanted a PDA the runs linux and has wifi, and gets good battery life, any suggestions? Sharp SL-6000 (watch out, there are models without any connectivity, one with wifi, and one with bluetooth _and_ wifi). :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Linux PDA with wifi?
On Sat, 31 May 2008 18:39:00 -0400 Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: If I wanted a PDA the runs linux and has wifi, and gets good battery life, any suggestions? n800/n810. use mamona (which is openembedded based - same base os as openmoko). And can I run openmoko on it to develop apps, or does openmoko linux need to be on the neo/freerunner? well u need to port it to a new device. new xserver (maybe fbdev instead of xglamo or xati or xomap or) and kernel needs changing - and there will be device-specific things in the distro - like assuming 480x640 resolution, bootplash for example would be tied to this or affected by a change, battery status another, and not to mention needing a different kernel with different drivers etc., gsm subsystem etc... it depends what you want to do in the end... -- Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Linux PDA with wifi?
geek writes: Nokia N810 internet tablet...no openmoko...but mimo...good product with community support.. But no phone, if I understand correctly. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Linux PDA with wifi?
Mike, why not consider using the moko smartphone as a pda? PDA's aren't that much more powerful than the moko thus you won't really be running anything but what you run on the smartphone anyway, plus they usually have few connectivity routes, extremely short battery lifespans and generally they don't fit in your pocket. Plus the moko will probably morph to include various smartphone form factors so that you will not just get a smartphone but have access to a form factor with maybe a foldout thumb keyboard even? I would put my bets on the moko as a pda killer personally. - Rob Mike wrote: If I wanted a PDA the runs linux and has wifi, and gets good battery life, any suggestions? And can I run openmoko on it to develop apps, or does openmoko linux need to be on the neo/freerunner? thanks ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Linux PDA with wifi?
On May 31, 2008, Mike wrote: If I wanted a PDA the runs linux and has wifi, and gets good battery life, any suggestions? I've got a Nokia N800. Much less expensive than the N810, but 810 has some things 800 doesn't. Battery life is from 1 day to 1 week or so depending on how I'm using it. Wifi reception is the best of any device I've used. 2 SD slots that are SDHC compatible so plenty of storage. Fits a jacket or shirt pocket just fine. I use GPE calendar, todo, timesheet; camera, gnumeric and Maemopad+ daily. PDF viewer occasionally. Am very happy with it. Look forward to getting a bluetooth keyboard (perhaps iFrog). One regret is that I didn't put a screen protector on right away. Now has a scratchy feeling place on screen where I write the most. Oh, and the hand-writing recognition works much better for me than Palm's Grafitti 2 does. One gotcha to watch for is that Maemopad+ db main table data is lost if the device battery runs out with the application open. In my case I was able to recover the db with data from its backup table using a cli sqlite3 client. IanS ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: linux-openmoko build error
On 4/12/08, M Nader [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I meant 4194. It is already fixed now. I still get this error (see below). I did try to wipe my whole build directory and started over, but got the same error again (three times). Basically what I did was: $ rm -rf ~/moko/* $ cd ~/moko/ $ wget http://www.rwhitby.net/files/openmoko/Makefile $ nice make setup $ unset LD_LIBRARY_PATH; nice make update-makefile nice make setup update openmoko-devel-image I also tried a make clean and started over, but got the same error. Is there any file that I can fix manually. Hm, just notice that the Makefile I got was from March 27. So, should http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile maybe be updated? ( wget http://svn.projects.openmoko.org/svnroot/mokomakefile/trunk/Makefile also gives a file from March 27.) Where is the correct MokoMakefile? --- NOTE: Running task 844 of 5445 (ID: 671, /mnt/extra/moko/openembedded/packages/linux/linux-openmoko_2.6.24+git.bb, do_fetch) NOTE: package linux-openmoko-2.6.24+git20080421: started NOTE: package linux-openmoko-1_2.6.24+git20080421-r0: task do_fetch: started NOTE: fetch http://downloads.openmoko.org/sources/git_git.openmoko.org.git.kernel.git_4194.tar.gz --21:12:40-- http://downloads.openmoko.org/sources/git_git.openmoko.org.git.kernel.git_4194.tar.gz Resolving downloads.openmoko.org... 88.198.93.219 Connecting to downloads.openmoko.org|88.198.93.219|:80... connected. HTTP foresprrsel sendt, mottar topptekster... 404 Not Found 21:12:41 FEIL 404: Not Found. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: linux-openmoko build error
I meant 4194. It is already fixed now. On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 7:14 AM, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/10/08, M Nader [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://downloads.openmoko.org/sources/git_git.openmoko.org.git.kernel.git_4194.tar.gz It seems that 4914 (from same-srcrev.inc) doesn't exist. If so what stable revision should I use? did you mean 4194 or 4914? -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: URL:http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Linux embedded dev board
2007/8/13, Edwyn Stapel [EMAIL PROTECTED]: nice dev kit.. but the neo is $150,- cheaper though and looks like it has more supported with their openmoko framework. Edwyn ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Linux embedded dev board
On Monday 13 August 2007 22:22:24 Joe Friedrichsen wrote: It has more than a handful of similarities with the Neo (ARM9, touchscreen, USB, JTAG, but no GSM or GPS), and may help scratch some itches for new ideas and toys that have been floating on the list for It's more of a PDA spec, if you can live without the screen, roughly the same spec can be had with a NSLU2 for well under 200$. If you add in a cheap GSM module via the serial port, that would be the poor mans Neo1973 (possibly could be even made to work with OpenMoko). But since it's not exactly pocket sized and needs HW hack to be battery powered it's not really much of a competition for the Neo :) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Linux
Vicente, It is believed that the developer version (due to be released today) will be available world-wide. The phone is un-locked, un-subsidized, so it is not linked to any carrier. You should be able to use it with any GSM provider by simply inserting an active SIM card. Hope this helps. Regards, Jason On Saturday 07 July 2007 10:38:46 Vicente Alcañiz Buceta wrote: Hi: My name is Vicente. I am living in Japan. I wonder if you are planning to sell your open source mobiles in Asia.If you are intending to sell the phones in Japan with which telephone carrier? I just want to have a Linux mobile phone but maybe is not going to be release in Japan??? Cordially Vicente ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Linux
On Saturday 07 July 2007, Vicente Alcañiz Buceta wrote: I just want to have a Linux mobile phone but maybe is not going to be release in Japan??? As Jason Elwell says, the Linux mobile phone is released today, so you can buy at the unsubsidised price. Unfortunately you won't be able to use it in Japan (or Korea) as it is GSM only. I guess if you are realy keen, you could buy one as a Linux PDA, or to develop software, but otherwise, you will have to wait and hope that FIC produce a 3G model with W-CDMA support some time next year, that you will be able to use on the Softbank (formerly Vodaphone) network. -- David Pottage ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Linux
Hi, On 7/8/07, David Pottage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As Jason Elwell says, the Linux mobile phone is released today, so you can buy at the unsubsidised price. Unfortunately you won't be able to use it in Japan (or Korea) as it is GSM only. Use OpenMoko with multi-SIM approach via bluetooth to control the other phone you use in Japan? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bluetooth_powered_Multi-SIM_support SK -- Shakthi Kannan http://www.shakthimaan.com ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Linux
Um... Japan does have GSM service... I am positive as I recently had guests in my house from japan. They brought their cell phones and I showed them how to make them work in the US. As far as I know... Granted, making them work in the us meant dropping the 3g and switching to GSM service... But since the option was available in a japanese phone it would seem to indicate that they can use it. PLUS so called world phones or quad band phones include GSM service frequencies for other places and I am pretty sure one of those is Japan. I could be wrong... But I don't think I am. It just might not use the 3G mode but only GSM and it might mean that the extra internet capability might not work. Does EDGE fall back to gprs? Does 3G fall back to EDGE or GPRS if the phone doesn't support it? I think those are the right questions. --Tim On Sun, 8 Jul 2007 11:13, David Pottage wrote: On Saturday 07 July 2007, Vicente Alcañiz Buceta wrote: I just want to have a Linux mobile phone but maybe is not going to be release in Japan??? As Jason Elwell says, the Linux mobile phone is released today, so you can buy at the unsubsidised price. Unfortunately you won't be able to use it in Japan (or Korea) as it is GSM only. I guess if you are realy keen, you could buy one as a Linux PDA, or to develop software, but otherwise, you will have to wait and hope that FIC produce a 3G model with W-CDMA support some time next year, that you will be able to use on the Softbank (formerly Vodaphone) network. -- David Pottage ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community --Tim ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Linux vs. GNU/Linux
On 1/21/07, Ole Tange [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The discussion whether to call it Linux or GNU/Linux has been going on for some time and now it is also on this mailinglist. May I suggest a compromise: If you want to call it GNU/Linux, then call it GNU/Linux, but stop bothering people that calls it Linux. If you want to call it Linux, then call it Linux, but stop bothering people that calls it GNU/Linux. Amen! If we want to make this phone a success we should not bicker on such a trivial subject, who cares if I call it Linux or GNU/Linux. I know a lot of people who call it Lunix, because they don't know it very well. You can try to tell them that it's Linux or something like that, but in my experience that doesn't work. Same with this discussion on GNU yes/no... If we want our mom and pop buy this thing it doesn't matter if they call it Lunix/Linux/GNU/Linux, as long as they call with the phone. Let's put that energy more in making the Openmoko the best phone there is, with applications that everyone wants/needs. If people ask you why you chose the one then answer them politely by personal email. /Ole -- Marcel ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Linux vs. GNU/Linux
On Sunday 21 January 2007 09:05, Ole Tange wrote: snip If people ask you why you chose the one then answer them politely by personal email. Another solution is to ignore the thread. Most/all mail clients have this ability, for good reason.[1] In the mean time, those who still desire to participate in the conversation occuring in an open mailing list are able to do so until the list becomes moderated - if/when that should ever occur. Constant, recurring debates of particular issues within a community are indicative of evolution and/or growth; stifling these things do not make them go away. The thread will eventually run its course on its own, though it may spring up now and again. A skeleton in the closet isn't necessarily better than an elephant in the living room. [1] - looks like you're using gmail: http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=47787 ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
