Re: Visually Impaired?
My very first thought... How about overlaying the screen with a sheet of rubber buttons? I'm thinking of the sort of thing that you get inside cheap mobile phones, TV remotes, pocket calculators; that sort of stuff. The number 5 would have the bump on it and the keys would simply push against the touchscreen. Let me know if that's not a great description... It's likely to be overkill, but it would be a quick way of producing a proof of concept model. Later on you could remove the screen and put regular buttons in. Then you'd just need the software, which should be more than doable. I think you've got a great idea, Joseph 2008/7/11 John Whitmore [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello All, firstly I'm a listener on this list not a poster. Waiting for my FreeRunner and then I'll have more relevant contributions, if any. I'm not visually Impaired or blind but I'm very curious about them. At present on a phone there is a wee nipple, (for want of a better word) on the 5 key so that people can feel it and know where they are. (That's great but what's better to my mind is that all the Euro Bank Notes have different markers on them so that blind people know how much money they're handing over, and being handed back. Keep trying to find the markers but still can't distinguish them.) Back on point of this question. Do blind people use phones and if so how will a blind person use a phone with no keypad, (and hence the nipple)? Actually given that the person is blind you could get rid of the screen altogether? This may all seem a bit off topic but I thought that FreeRunner with the gesture stuff would be so brilliant for blind people. Started thinking that if you could tap morse on the phone and have it detected and converted into text that'd be brilliant. Perhaps Blind people have special phones? If I knew a blind person I could find out. Perhaps there's a project in taking a FreeRunner and removing the screen, (either VGA or QVGA I don't care ;-) and have really good speech recognition in it and for get the morse altogether. Could the phone read out an SMS message? what a first post! Sorry. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Visually Impaired?
Check the archives. This has been discussed before. If I recall correctly, there are some companies that make rubber overlays that provide tactile feedback on touchscreens and match the keyboard layout of the device. -Steven On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 8:40 AM, John Whitmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello All, firstly I'm a listener on this list not a poster. Waiting for my FreeRunner and then I'll have more relevant contributions, if any. I'm not visually Impaired or blind but I'm very curious about them. At present on a phone there is a wee nipple, (for want of a better word) on the 5 key so that people can feel it and know where they are. (That's great but what's better to my mind is that all the Euro Bank Notes have different markers on them so that blind people know how much money they're handing over, and being handed back. Keep trying to find the markers but still can't distinguish them.) Back on point of this question. Do blind people use phones and if so how will a blind person use a phone with no keypad, (and hence the nipple)? Actually given that the person is blind you could get rid of the screen altogether? This may all seem a bit off topic but I thought that FreeRunner with the gesture stuff would be so brilliant for blind people. Started thinking that if you could tap morse on the phone and have it detected and converted into text that'd be brilliant. Perhaps Blind people have special phones? If I knew a blind person I could find out. Perhaps there's a project in taking a FreeRunner and removing the screen, (either VGA or QVGA I don't care ;-) and have really good speech recognition in it and for get the morse altogether. Could the phone read out an SMS message? what a first post! Sorry. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Visually Impaired?
Hello if you need it you could replace the display with a braille display i've seen an open source project tu bild such a display for a pc probably it is possible to replace the display. Am Freitag, 11. Juli 2008 15:40:03 schrieb John Whitmore: Hello All, firstly I'm a listener on this list not a poster. Waiting for my FreeRunner and then I'll have more relevant contributions, if any. I'm not visually Impaired or blind but I'm very curious about them. At present on a phone there is a wee nipple, (for want of a better word) on the 5 key so that people can feel it and know where they are. (That's great but what's better to my mind is that all the Euro Bank Notes have different markers on them so that blind people know how much money they're handing over, and being handed back. Keep trying to find the markers but still can't distinguish them.) Back on point of this question. Do blind people use phones and if so how will a blind person use a phone with no keypad, (and hence the nipple)? Actually given that the person is blind you could get rid of the screen altogether? This may all seem a bit off topic but I thought that FreeRunner with the gesture stuff would be so brilliant for blind people. Started thinking that if you could tap morse on the phone and have it detected and converted into text that'd be brilliant. Perhaps Blind people have special phones? If I knew a blind person I could find out. Perhaps there's a project in taking a FreeRunner and removing the screen, (either VGA or QVGA I don't care ;-) and have really good speech recognition in it and for get the morse altogether. Could the phone read out an SMS message? what a first post! Sorry. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Visually Impaired?
John Whitmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If I knew a blind person I could find out. There is the linux-blind (blinux) mailing list for blind or impaired people. Nice list for terminal junkies, too;). -- Esben Stien is [EMAIL PROTECTED] s a http://www. s tn m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact sip:b0ef@ e e jid:b0ef@n n ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Visually Impaired?
On Friday 11 July 2008 15:51, Joseph Reeves wrote: My very first thought... How about overlaying the screen with a sheet of rubber buttons? I'm thinking of the sort of thing that you get inside cheap mobile phones, TV remotes, pocket calculators; that sort of stuff. The number 5 would have the bump on it and the keys would simply push against the touchscreen. Let me know if that's not a great description... It would work, but perhaps we could get close enough without it. We surely should be able to provide feedback about the location of certain keys either using the vibrator or using sound. We could even consider make the phone say what a button means, although i'm pretty sure most blind will manage with a basic 'here is a button' and 'this is five' indication once they know the layout. But a specialized ui for the blind is an interesting idea. The funny thing is we could just leave display of and increase batterylife. AVee -- Computer Science is no more about computers than astronomy is about telescopes. -- Edsger Wybe Dijkstra ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Visually Impaired?
Hello, A guide regarding accessible phones from the RNIB (Royal National Institute of Blind People), list of specific phones or specific softwares (screen readers) for mass market phones: http://www.rnib.org.uk/xpedio/groups/public/documents/publicwebsite/public_mobphonesfactsheet.hcsp Best regards, Gilles ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Visually Impaired?
Gilles Casse wrote: Hello, A guide regarding accessible phones from the RNIB (Royal National Institute of Blind People), list of specific phones or specific softwares (screen readers) for mass market phones: http://www.rnib.org.uk/xpedio/groups/public/documents/publicwebsite/public_mobphonesfactsheet.hcsp Best regards, Gilles ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Brilliant Link Gilles thanks a million. I never realised that there were such devices out there. I was asking the question because I thought with the move towards keypad free phones and touch sensitive screens the blind were going to left out. Obviously not at all. That way finder looks like a brilliant application. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Visually Impaired?
John Whitmore wrote: I thought with the move towards keypad free phones and touch sensitive screens the blind were going to left out. Sorry, the link was just for illustrating some features available in the proprietary world. I appreciate the alternate, multimodal solutions you are envisioning (speech recognition, gestures, predefined keys on touch screen,...). Yes, a user interface _exclusively_ based on vision will exclude visually impaired people. This seems quite obvious, in fact not so much, it depends on our own awareness of accessibility barriers :-/ Best regards, Gilles ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
