Re: one day usage of qtextended
Hi I tried qtextended and I really like it. I even got WIFI working using only the GUI . And I have no problems with sound during calls. But there are also some problems. Mostly the same as Franky described. Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: - first of all: battery life seems to be ok, after one day the battery meter was still at 80%. Nice! That is with using suspend? I charged the phone fully and turned the suspend off. After about 8 or 9 hours (I didn't do anything with the phone during that time, except one wake-up alarm) it said that the battery is extremely low. Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: - echo issue: with my alsa state file, no issue anymore No problems, even without updating the alsa state file. Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: - gsm suspends/unsuspends fine (for calls and sms's too) My phone didn't wake up from suspend when a call came in. So I can't use the suspend. Is there any fix or workaround for this? And some more problems and questions: - If suspended, the wake-up alarm goes off too late (It seems the alarm starts as many minutes too late how many minutes before the expected alarm time I set it. So if i set the alarm at 12:00 to start at 12:05 then it actually starts 12:10 and if I set it at 12:00 to start at 12:30 then it starts 13:00 etc). If not suspended, it goes off at the right time. - The arrow keys on the on-screen keyboard don't work when using the Terminal application. So I can't go up in the bash history. - If a call arrives and I select Send busy tone it registers two missed calls. - First it didn't show any of my SIM contacts. They appeared after I selected some other configuration from Server Widgets. And now they are still here, even after I switched back to Default QT Extended. - As Franky said, after every call it plays a weird and loud sound. It's really annoying. What is it? And why? Can I disable it? - Same problems with mp3 playback as Franky described. - So it's impossible to install any extra software? The default feed url (http://qtextended.org/packages/feed/4.4.1/neo) shows 404 and http://qtextended.org/packages/feed/4.3.2/neo just doesn't show any packages in the package manager, although it shows them when viewing this url in a web browser. - Can I manually add something in the Applications menu? For example a short cut to a bash script. - What video formats can the Media Player play? I tried ogg, xvid and 3gp - didn't play them. - It's impossible to delete a file using a GUI? - When editing notes using the Notes application it most times doesn't save the changes when clicking Back. But few times it did. I don't know what I did differently these times. But otherwise it's quite good and I can (almost) use my Freerunner as an everyday phone. Thanks! -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/one-day-usage-of-qtextended-tp1301377p1355545.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: one day usage of qtextended
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 7:26 PM, Marx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi I tried qtextended and I really like it. I even got WIFI working using only the GUI . And I have no problems with sound during calls. Good. I do have the old problems - echo and buzzing. There is no way to optimize the levels. The echo removal or suppression (?) patch recently posted may or may not apply to qtextended, but it did certainly create new problems for me, so I removed it. But there are also some problems. Mostly the same as Franky described. That is with using suspend? I charged the phone fully and turned the suspend off. After about 8 or 9 hours (I didn't do anything with the phone during that time, except one wake-up alarm) it said that the battery is extremely low. The battery lasts *half of the time* overnight if you turn the alarm off completely. It is useless as it is now anyway. However, at least once in every three nights, the battery will mysteriously drain itself. Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: - echo issue: with my alsa state file, no issue anymore No problems, even without updating the alsa state file. You must be really lucky My phone didn't wake up from suspend when a call came in. So I can't use the suspend. Is there any fix or workaround for this? Mine does, so there could be differences in each user's experience. I hope you are using the latest version of 4.4.1 (2008/10/3 aka 2008/10/6). I think the un-updated version had solved the echo problem but the resume problem persisted, and it got reversed with the update. And some more problems and questions: - If suspended, the wake-up alarm goes off too late (It seems the alarm starts as many minutes too late how many minutes before the expected alarm time I set it. So if i set the alarm at 12:00 to start at 12:05 then it actually starts 12:10 and if I set it at 12:00 to start at 12:30 then it starts 13:00 etc). If not suspended, it goes off at the right time. Every time the phone's battery is drained, the clock resets itself to what is probably GMT, but the timezone is static! DO NOT rely on the Freerunner's (QTX) alarm to work for anything that is important. It only rang once for me, and that too after nearly 12 hours, after a reboot. - The arrow keys on the on-screen keyboard don't work when using the Terminal application. So I can't go up in the bash history. - If a call arrives and I select Send busy tone it registers two missed calls. Actually, about half of all calls received are registered twice. New messages result into multiplication of messages already received. - First it didn't show any of my SIM contacts. They appeared after I selected some other configuration from Server Widgets. And now they are still here, even after I switched back to Default QT Extended. I can't see some of the new contacts I imported. They had not been imported the first time, but the latest import seemed to work till the phone got switched off overnight. - As Franky said, after every call it plays a weird and loud sound. It's really annoying. What is it? And why? Can I disable it? It is random. On some days, it rings. It doesn't on some days. Pick your choice. - Same problems with mp3 playback as Franky described. - So it's impossible to install any extra software? The default feed url (http://qtextended.org/packages/feed/4.4.1/neo) shows 404 and It is not there yet. Lorn has said it would be available soon, and I am dying to see if it fixes the sound problem and offers some usable packages. http://qtextended.org/packages/feed/4.3.2/neo just doesn't show any packages in the package manager, although it shows them when viewing this url in a web browser. Don't try those packages! - Can I manually add something in the Applications menu? For example a short cut to a bash script. - What video formats can the Media Player play? I tried ogg, xvid and 3gp - didn't play them. None, as of now, I think. - It's impossible to delete a file using a GUI? You need a file manager. The only one available is in source code, and I don't know if it compiles for Qtextended. - When editing notes using the Notes application it most times doesn't save the changes when clicking Back. But few times it did. I don't know what I did differently these times. cf. comment about contacts. But otherwise it's quite good and I can (almost) use my Freerunner as an everyday phone. My thoughts too! I am using it as an everyday phone in any case. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: one day usage of qtextended
Lorn Potter wrote: Matt wrote: gtalk uses jabber protocol, so should be doable. Certainly. If telepathy and gabble were available for the Neo's. There's a telepathy-gabble package in OE that seems to build. Is that what you need? Nishit Dave wrote: On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 12:44 AM, Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a gtalk presence indicator. Million dollar question: where is gtalk? how do I install and configure it? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: one day usage of qtextended
gtalk uses jabber protocol, so should be doable. Nishit Dave wrote: On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 12:44 AM, Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a gtalk presence indicator. Million dollar question: where is gtalk? how do I install and configure it? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: one day usage of qtextended: auto power-on?
On Tue, 7 Oct 2008 14:28:16 +0200 Franky Van Liedekerke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 7 Oct 2008 12:39:25 +0200 (CEST) Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Was your phone plugged in (wall charger...) ? nope, it was unplugged. And for sure powered down, even after I re-inserted the battery. I had the same thing last evening. Unplugged phone, powered down, and suddenly it switched itself on. I did not take down the time, but it was quite surprising to see it happen... Paul ssh into the phone and do a logread, that should tell you the time. Franky and it happened again this morning, again at 06:00: auto power-on from a completely powered-down device, no sim inserted. Franky ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: one day usage of qtextended: auto power-on?
and it happened again this morning, again at 06:00: auto power-on from a completely powered-down device, no sim inserted. Did not notice anything of the likes today... Paul -- No time. Saddest words ever spoken or written. http://www.nlpagan.net Running on Mandriva Linux 2008 and Ubuntu 8.04 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: one day usage of qtextended: auto power-on?
Maybe RTC alarm is setted? dos On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 18:54, Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and it happened again this morning, again at 06:00: auto power-on from a completely powered-down device, no sim inserted. Did not notice anything of the likes today... Paul -- No time. Saddest words ever spoken or written. http://www.nlpagan.net Running on Mandriva Linux 2008 and Ubuntu 8.04 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: one day usage of qtextended
Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: - when using the dialer and then selecting a contact, it would be nice to have the same letter-select as in the normal contact-list There are some patches for Om2008's qtopia at bug #1966 [1]. I figure that they can be easily ported to Qt extended too. [1] http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1966 -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: one day usage of qtextended
Matt wrote: gtalk uses jabber protocol, so should be doable. Certainly. If telepathy and gabble were available for the Neo's. Nishit Dave wrote: On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 12:44 AM, Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a gtalk presence indicator. Million dollar question: where is gtalk? how do I install and configure it? -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, Qt Software, Nokia Pty Ltd ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: one day usage of qtextended: auto power-on?
On Mon, 6 Oct 2008 18:57:53 +0200 Franky Van Liedekerke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So far the good stuff, now the bugs: snip And some inconveniences: snip I just found out something new: I took my sim out of the cell phone this night and didn't turn on the phone afterwards. This morning however the phone was in suspended state?? It seems to have auto-powered on at 06:00 this morning? Is it supposed to do that? It is not the first time I noticed this, but I always figured it was me, but this time I'm pretty sure I didn't power it on myself. I'm not even sure it is related to qtextended for this matter. Franky ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: one day usage of qtextended: auto power-on?
On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 10:22, Franky Van Liedekerke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just found out something new: I took my sim out of the cell phone this night and didn't turn on the phone afterwards. This morning however the phone was in suspended state?? It seems to have auto-powered on at 06:00 this morning? Is it supposed to do that? It is not the first time I noticed this, but I always figured it was me, but this time I'm pretty sure I didn't power it on myself. I'm not even sure it is related to qtextended for this matter. Your phone probably started when you put back the battery in. I do not know when exactly it does this... but I know mine sometime does. Was your phone plugged in (wall charger...) ? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: one day usage of qtextended: auto power-on?
Was your phone plugged in (wall charger...) ? nope, it was unplugged. And for sure powered down, even after I re-inserted the battery. I had the same thing last evening. Unplugged phone, powered down, and suddenly it switched itself on. I did not take down the time, but it was quite surprising to see it happen... Paul -- Your assumptions are your windows on the world. Scrub them off every once in a while, or the light won't come in. -Alan Alda http://www.nlpagan.net Running on Mandriva Linux 2008 and Ubuntu 8.04 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: one day usage of qtextended: auto power-on?
On Tue, 7 Oct 2008 12:39:25 +0200 (CEST) Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Was your phone plugged in (wall charger...) ? nope, it was unplugged. And for sure powered down, even after I re-inserted the battery. I had the same thing last evening. Unplugged phone, powered down, and suddenly it switched itself on. I did not take down the time, but it was quite surprising to see it happen... Paul ssh into the phone and do a logread, that should tell you the time. Franky ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: one day usage of qtextended: auto power-on?
On Tue, 7 Oct 2008 10:28:35 +0200 Cédric Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 10:22, Franky Van Liedekerke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just found out something new: I took my sim out of the cell phone this night and didn't turn on the phone afterwards. This morning however the phone was in suspended state?? It seems to have auto-powered on at 06:00 this morning? Is it supposed to do that? It is not the first time I noticed this, but I always figured it was me, but this time I'm pretty sure I didn't power it on myself. I'm not even sure it is related to qtextended for this matter. Your phone probably started when you put back the battery in. I do not know when exactly it does this... but I know mine sometime does. Was your phone plugged in (wall charger...) ? nope, it was unplugged. And for sure powered down, even after I re-inserted the battery. Franky ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: one day usage of qtextended
On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 11:43 PM, Craig B. Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - smart' theme has no way to get to dialer Strange, isn't it? For a few minutes, I thought I had deleted something. I think the finxi theme is rightly balanced in terms of usability and looks. I couldn't figure out how to use wheelbrowser, and I think it is best to stay away from it. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: one day usage of qtextended
On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 12:44 AM, Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a gtalk presence indicator. Million dollar question: where is gtalk? how do I install and configure it? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: one day usage of qtextended
Nishit Dave wrote: On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 12:44 AM, Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a gtalk presence indicator. Million dollar question: where is gtalk? how do I install and configure it? Install/flash qt extended 4.4.1. Settings-Gtalk settings -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, Qt Software, Nokia Pty Ltd ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: one day usage of qtextended
On Wed, 08 Oct 2008, Lorn Potter wrote: Nishit Dave wrote: On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 12:44 AM, Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a gtalk presence indicator. Million dollar question: where is gtalk? how do I install and configure it? Install/flash qt extended 4.4.1. Settings-Gtalk settings I don't see a Gtalk settings entry in the settings menu in my install! I'm using the original 4.4.1 image. Are you using the one with the zoneinfo updates? Did you install anything extra? Any updates? --gera. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: one day usage of qtextended
Devendra Gera wrote: On Wed, 08 Oct 2008, Lorn Potter wrote: Nishit Dave wrote: On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 12:44 AM, Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a gtalk presence indicator. Million dollar question: where is gtalk? how do I install and configure it? Install/flash qt extended 4.4.1. Settings-Gtalk settings I don't see a Gtalk settings entry in the settings menu in my install! I'm using the original 4.4.1 image. Are you using the one with the zoneinfo updates? Did you install anything extra? Any updates? Whoops! I forgot I took it out of the build, as there is no telepathy and gabble available for openmoko. Sorry. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, Qt Software, Nokia Pty Ltd ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: one day usage of qtextended
Devendra Gera wrote: On Wed, 08 Oct 2008, Lorn Potter wrote: I don't see a Gtalk settings entry in the settings menu in my install! I'm using the original 4.4.1 image. Are you using the one with the zoneinfo updates? Did you install anything extra? Any updates? Whoops! I forgot I took it out of the build, as there is no telepathy and gabble available for openmoko. Is it coming back? If so, when? This would depend on Openmoko or someone else adding telepathy and friends to the repositories. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, Qt Software, Nokia Pty Ltd ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: one day usage of qtextended
Comments and additions: - mp3's play choppy, even ogg's experience this (especially when touching the screen while the player is on) 128k mp3s from podcasts play fine, haven't tried music or ogg. - I have been unable to get wifi at home working (WPA2) despite several attempts. - feed address is wrong; changing it to 4.3.2 connects but finds no packages (browsing there shows several). - no way to install packages downloaded with wget - finger scrolling too sensitive - often launches programs - frequent messages from 129 (apparently transmissions from T-Mobile that indicate that I have voicemail waiting show up in the new message queue, they should be handled quietly in the background and set a new voicemail indicator in the UI. - I have not seen any documentation on phone features, other than the help system (bravo that it exists!), like the little grey globe in the header on the homescreen. - help system sometimes describes features that don't appear to exist. - record audio doesn't. - browser doesn't see USB network - rotated screen squashes graphic elements (e.g. icons) - smart' theme has no way to get to dialer I have to say that Qtextended is fast and works better as a phone than other distributions I have tried. There are obviously many kinks and applications to be enhanced, but we could do worse than a marriage of the qt apps and FSO. Kudos to the trolls! -- Craig ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: one day usage of qtextended
Craig B. Allen wrote: Comments and additions: - mp3's play choppy, even ogg's experience this (especially when touching the screen while the player is on) 128k mp3s from podcasts play fine, haven't tried music or ogg. - I have been unable to get wifi at home working (WPA2) despite several attempts. - feed address is wrong; changing it to 4.3.2 connects but finds no packages (browsing there shows several). - no way to install packages downloaded with wget Only way to install packages into qt extended is through the package manager, which only allows packages via web server. I know, it's retarded, but thats the way it is. It might change in the future. - finger scrolling too sensitive - often launches programs - frequent messages from 129 (apparently transmissions from T-Mobile that indicate that I have voicemail waiting show up in the new message queue, they should be handled quietly in the background and set a new voicemail indicator in the UI. - I have not seen any documentation on phone features, other than the help system (bravo that it exists!), like the little grey globe in the header on the homescreen. This is a gtalk presence indicator. - help system sometimes describes features that don't appear to exist. Can you name specifics here? - record audio doesn't. - browser doesn't see USB network - rotated screen squashes graphic elements (e.g. icons) Only on the homescreen - smart' theme has no way to get to dialer I have to say that Qtextended is fast and works better as a phone than other distributions I have tried. There are obviously many kinks and applications to be enhanced, but we could do worse than a marriage of the qt apps and FSO. Kudos to the trolls! Thanks! -- Craig ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, Qt Software, Nokia Pty Ltd ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: one day usage of qtextended
Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: Hi, I've used the qtextended distro for one day as a regular phone, here are my experiences: - first of all: battery life seems to be ok, after one day the battery meter was still at 80%. Nice! - echo issue: with my alsa state file, no issue anymore Could you attach your alsa state file? All the other things are known issues, and are being worked on. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, Qt Software, Nokia Pty Ltd ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Re: one day usage of qtextended
A short sneak peek on qtExtended. Disclaimer: I downloaded the image from main page of wiki.openmoko.org and the kernel image from SDK package advertised on qtextended website. - I have been unable to get wifi at home working (WPA2) despite several attempts. I made asuccesful connection to unsecured network at home, but since then the deice began stopping responding for ~5 secs every ~20 secs. Very annoying. - feed address is wrong; changing it to 4.3.2 connects but finds no packages (browsing there shows several). I tried to downloaded packages, but it stalled somewhere before showing any relevant info. - browser doesn't see USB network It didn't want to cooperate with the wlan connection; after trying any website, either http://; was replaced by file:/// or just file:/// prepended to the address. Some of the games require pressing select to start and there's no hint as to what the select is. Also, the handwriting recognition doesn't work terribly well - the input fields are too smal and the touchscreen input is too inaccurate to make handwriting comfortable. Switching back from the keyboard to handwirting was a bit confusing, too. I hope this helps improving the distro! Cheers rhn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: one day usage of qtextended
On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 05:16:05 +1000 Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: Hi, I've used the qtextended distro for one day as a regular phone, here are my experiences: - first of all: battery life seems to be ok, after one day the battery meter was still at 80%. Nice! - echo issue: with my alsa state file, no issue anymore Could you attach your alsa state file? see attach All the other things are known issues, and are being worked on. great to hear! Franky gsmhandset.state Description: Binary data ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: one day usage of qtextended
I may have spoken too soon... 128k mp3s from podcasts play fine, haven't tried music or ogg. - In a more extended listen, there were slight gaps or stutters; need to test more (but not soon - see below) I have to say that Qtextended is fast and works better as a phone than other distributions I have tried. - Unfortunately, that's not a very high bar. Found what is a fatal flaw today when I received a call forwarded by Grand Central. For these calls, I need to press 1 to take the call. I can get to the keypad but then the erroneous and redundant missed call window pops up and makes it impossible to proceed. I'm hoping this will be an easy one to fix. Meanwhile, it's back to the Razr... sigh. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
