Re: touchpad on OM
Michal Brzozowski wrote: > Hi, > > I'm not sure if anyone has ever tried this. I thought it would be handy > to have a mouse pointer on the phone, driven by a "touchpad" area in the > lower part of the screen. To click you just hit an appropriate button. > This way you can do left click, right click, and any other mouse buttons > you want. It should be useful for apps unsuited for finger use. > > Here's a graphical explanation: > http://pvtrace.com/moko-touchpad.png > Why have that touchpad area??? I understand why you have the L and R buttons. It allows right and left clicks, which is nice. But why waste area on a "touchpad" ? Just enable the X mouse pointer - which is easy enough. The touchscreen _is_ a touchpad already, so no need for a separate pad. Then you can put the L and R buttons at the bottom of the screen, and have much more room for the app itself on the screen. Or am I missing something? Helge Hafting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: touchpad on OM
2009/7/21 Petr Vanek > >This is not the problem. If you want to simulate a drag, you need to > >have the pointer where the drag takes place. But at the same time > >you're touching the touchscreen and thus moving the pointer under your > >finger. With clicking this is not a problem, because the pointer is > >moved to the place where you wanted to click just for a moment. > > no worries, if i really need to drag something, i connect vnc > I could implement dragging this way: first move the pointer to the position where you want to begin drag. Press a "begin drag" button, and it leaves some kind of marker there. Then move the pointer to where you want to finish drag, press a button again, and a drag event is generated for these positions. I'm just brainstorming, if you really need such awkward feature let me know. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: touchpad on OM
i find this a very good idea, without the right click there are tons of applications which just cannot be used! On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Michal Brzozowski wrote: > Hi, > > I'm not sure if anyone has ever tried this. I thought it would be handy to > have a mouse pointer on the phone, driven by a "touchpad" area in the lower > part of the screen. To click you just hit an appropriate button. This way > you can do left click, right click, and any other mouse buttons you want. It > should be useful for apps unsuited for finger use. > > Here's a graphical explanation: > http://pvtrace.com/moko-touchpad.png > -- roby ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: touchpad on OM
2009/7/22 Vikas Saurabh > > Oh, I forgot. To bring up the touchpad, slide your finger up from the > bottom > > left corner. Sliding from bottom right corner brings up the keyboard. To > > hide the touchpad, slide down on the buttons. > > The app really works nicely but if the app is running one cannot slide > the bottom bar of launcher[1]. I can understand that you would need to > capture input from a certain section...but the whole of bottom bar > goes for a toss while literki is running. > Can this be fixed...as I would like to use both literki and > launcher...yeah i am a little greedy :) > You can change the size of sliding area in the config file. If you change to say 80x80, it will only take the left and right bottom corners, while the middle part is free for Launcher. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: touchpad on OM
> Oh, I forgot. To bring up the touchpad, slide your finger up from the bottom > left corner. Sliding from bottom right corner brings up the keyboard. To > hide the touchpad, slide down on the buttons. The app really works nicely but if the app is running one cannot slide the bottom bar of launcher[1]. I can understand that you would need to capture input from a certain section...but the whole of bottom bar goes for a toss while literki is running. Can this be fixed...as I would like to use both literki and launcher...yeah i am a little greedy :) --Vikas 1 - http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Launcher ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: touchpad on OM
>This is not the problem. If you want to simulate a drag, you need to >have the pointer where the drag takes place. But at the same time >you're touching the touchscreen and thus moving the pointer under your >finger. With clicking this is not a problem, because the pointer is >moved to the place where you wanted to click just for a moment. no worries, if i really need to drag something, i connect vnc P. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: touchpad on OM
2009/7/21 Petr Vanek > >Middle button sure. Drag mode is I think impossible, as you would need > >the pointer at two places at once. > > if ever, how about locking the click via checkbox and releasing? (or a > looong hold would lock, next unlock?) just thinking, i am not certain > this would be useful anywhere anyways... > This is not the problem. If you want to simulate a drag, you need to have the pointer where the drag takes place. But at the same time you're touching the touchscreen and thus moving the pointer under your finger. With clicking this is not a problem, because the pointer is moved to the place where you wanted to click just for a moment. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: touchpad on OM
>Middle button sure. Drag mode is I think impossible, as you would need >the pointer at two places at once. if ever, how about locking the click via checkbox and releasing? (or a looong hold would lock, next unlock?) just thinking, i am not certain this would be useful anywhere anyways... >I thought the winner would be a mouse wheel simulator to scroll in the >various apps that have tiny scrollbars. But it seems from using vnc >that this kind of scrolling doesn't work in any app. Does anyone know >why? > >Sorry, the Xshape extension is really slow. Changing the transparency >mask just takes that much time (maybe I'm doing something wrong, but >I've been trying to make it faster for a long time). eh, pity, thanx for all the work anyways! Petr ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: touchpad on OM
2009/7/21 Petr Vanek > MB> Thanks, actually it was doing middle click instead of right. If you > MB> reinstall from the same url, it should work. What application can > MB> you test right click in on OM? I've only tested on my desktop. > > Michal, i have been using the new mouse enabled literki and it's great! > Not needed, just thinking: drag mode and middle button click might be > useful in future. Middle button sure. Drag mode is I think impossible, as you would need the pointer at two places at once. I thought the winner would be a mouse wheel simulator to scroll in the various apps that have tiny scrollbars. But it seems from using vnc that this kind of scrolling doesn't work in any app. Does anyone know why? > > > One feature request though - while using the Fn buton, the keyboard > redraws. The speed of the redraw is quite ok, but could it be a bit > faster ;) ? > > Petr Sorry, the Xshape extension is really slow. Changing the transparency mask just takes that much time (maybe I'm doing something wrong, but I've been trying to make it faster for a long time). ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: touchpad on OM
MB> Thanks, actually it was doing middle click instead of right. If you MB> reinstall from the same url, it should work. What application can MB> you test right click in on OM? I've only tested on my desktop. Michal, i have been using the new mouse enabled literki and it's great! Not needed, just thinking: drag mode and middle button click might be useful in future. One feature request though - while using the Fn buton, the keyboard redraws. The speed of the redraw is quite ok, but could it be a bit faster ;) ? Petr ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: touchpad on OM
MB> Thanks, actually it was doing middle click instead of right. If you MB> reinstall from the same url, it should work. What application can MB> you test right click in on OM? I've only tested on my desktop. testing on claws-mail (gtk). tried the new version - works like a charm :), actually, you can see a pop-up menu even upon right click on icons in illume great work, thank you! Petr ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: touchpad on OM
2009/7/20 Petr Vanek > > Michal, > > it seems to only make left click and not right for me... > > anything i can debug? > > Petr > > Thanks, actually it was doing middle click instead of right. If you reinstall from the same url, it should work. What application can you test right click in on OM? I've only tested on my desktop. Michal ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: touchpad on OM
>I've implemented this as part of literki. The touchpad area is of >course transparent, and the pointer is just a little x-shaped window. >The pointer is a bit shaky, because of noise coming from the finger >input. It's also a bit slow on some windows, vala-terminal in >particular. I'm not sure if it's possible at all to use a real mouse >pointer for this. Michal, it seems to only make left click and not right for me... anything i can debug? Petr ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: moving mouse cursor automatically with xautomation (Re: touchpad on OM)
Timo Juhani Lindfors a écrit : > Xavier Cremaschi writes: >> I don't know for the X in Freerunner but >> http://wearables.unisa.edu.au/mpx/?q=mpx > > Any idea what the status is? I don't seem mpx in debian unstable and > that page seems to be from 2006. Wikipedia : - MPX was merged into the current development version of X.Org on 26 May 2008 - Xinput2 (XI2) which is the second official stable API release of the XInput X Window Extension, containing MPX was merged into the current development version of X.Org on 3 Jun 2009 You'll need to wait for server 1.7 (X11R7.5, cf. http://www.x.org/wiki/Releases/7.5 ), but it's coming... Xavier. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: moving mouse cursor automatically with xautomation (Re: touchpad on OM)
Xavier Cremaschi writes: > I don't know for the X in Freerunner but > http://wearables.unisa.edu.au/mpx/?q=mpx Any idea what the status is? I don't seem mpx in debian unstable and that page seems to be from 2006. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: moving mouse cursor automatically with xautomation (Re: touchpad on OM)
I don't think X supports two pointers to have at > two different places. That's why I have to draw a fake pointer. I don't know for the X in Freerunner but http://wearables.unisa.edu.au/mpx/?q=mpx Xavier. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: moving mouse cursor automatically with xautomation (Re: touchpad on OM)
[removed cross-post for both community and devel] Michal Brzozowski writes: > Yes, I use the XTest extension to do the clicks. The problem is that when Ah. What if you EVIOGRAB the touchscreen device while the touchscreen is pressed on top of your app to prevent X from seeing touchscreen events during that time? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: moving mouse cursor automatically with xautomation (Re: touchpad on OM)
2009/7/20 Timo Juhani Lindfors > Michal Brzozowski writes: > > bit slow on some windows, vala-terminal in particular. I'm not sure if > it's > > possible at all to use a real mouse pointer for this. > > It is possible. For example > > $ xte "mousemove 10 10" > > moves mouse pointer to 10+10 and > > $ xte "mouseclick 1" > Yes, I use the XTest extension to do the clicks. The problem is that when you're touching the touchpad, that's where the pointer will normally be moved, and I don't think X supports two pointers to have at two different places. That's why I have to draw a fake pointer. When you click the "L" or "R" buttons, the pointer is now free and I can move it to the location of the fake pointer to simulate the click. > > > If you want to experiment, install this package > > http://pvtrace.com/literki_0.0.2-r4_armv4t.ipk > > Pointer to source code would be nice. > > http://pvtrace.com/literki-0.0.2.tar.gz ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
moving mouse cursor automatically with xautomation (Re: touchpad on OM)
Michal Brzozowski writes: > bit slow on some windows, vala-terminal in particular. I'm not sure if it's > possible at all to use a real mouse pointer for this. It is possible. For example $ xte "mousemove 10 10" moves mouse pointer to 10+10 and $ xte "mouseclick 1" clicks using left mouse button. You can find xte in xautomation package of debian or upstream at http://hoopajoo.net/projects/xautomation.html > If you want to experiment, install this package > http://pvtrace.com/literki_0.0.2-r4_armv4t.ipk Pointer to source code would be nice. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: touchpad on OM
2009/7/20 Michal Brzozowski > I've implemented this as part of literki. The touchpad area is of course > transparent, and the pointer is just a little x-shaped window. The pointer > is a bit shaky, because of noise coming from the finger input. It's also a > bit slow on some windows, vala-terminal in particular. I'm not sure if it's > possible at all to use a real mouse pointer for this. > > Oh, I forgot. To bring up the touchpad, slide your finger up from the bottom left corner. Sliding from bottom right corner brings up the keyboard. To hide the touchpad, slide down on the buttons. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
