Re: Sharing literki work
2011/10/17 Neil Jerram n...@ossau.homelinux.net: Yes. My idea about that is that I'd like the Input Method (IM) system to tell a small server program (which is pretending to be an IM engine) when keyboard input is needed, and then that program could run literki and make sure that it is on top. Do you think that might work? Well, yes if it implies mostly that existing literki is found and made to be on top. Although, I feel that at least for FreeRunner purposes ibus might be preetty heavy. Not sure though, and it is nice if someone does things actually in a right way. For myself personally, I'd just probably continue my poor hack approach of https://github.com/tjyrinki/tihos and make literki to be on top every time an application switch is done :) When I looked at it the last time, and it was probably almost a year ago, I just didn't find the literki from X resources, ie. it's not shown in the same list I happened to find the other running X apps from. I don't know anything about X so my approach is blind guessing around functions found in X documentation or the (few) examples found on the web ;) -Timo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Sharing literki work
On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 5:49 PM, Neil Jerram n...@ossau.homelinux.net wrote: I used IceWM, and I remember hacking it to put windows with override_redirect bit on the top. You mean you had to change IceWM's code for this? Yes. I also fixed some bugs in it connected with screen orientation events. After that IceWM was pretty nice and usable for the FR. That wouldn't surprise me, because I think override_redirect just means don't decorate me and don't mess with my size or position. I don't think it normally implies being always on top. I guess then that I interpreted it wrong. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Sharing literki work
2011/10/16 Neil Jerram n...@ossau.homelinux.net: Hi there. I'm doing some incremental work with literki, and wanted to share that in case it's of interest to more than just me. Yes! I still found literki the most interesting keyboard around, which is why I packaged it in Debian (some patches at [1], probably not interesting if not the 03). If only I could find out how to force it to stay on top on my setup so that I wouldn't need to restart it every time I switch a window and want to write something... (I have a button for that in my tihos program). -Timo [1] http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-fso/literki.git;a=tree;f=debian/patches;h=76282552a74781095cb65e8330a4383eea5df808;hb=debian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Sharing literki work
Interesting! d ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Sharing literki work
On Mon, 17 Oct 2011 10:34:12 +0300, Timo Jyrinki wrote: Yes! I still found literki the most interesting keyboard around, Me too. Its code is nicely organised and easy to read and modify. I like the transparent overlay approach, and its target of being finger-usable, and the hide/show control by swiping. And the touchpad idea... My only reservation is that I've found it not to look very beautiful. Plus I'm interested at the moment in optimising for a landscape UI. Those are the motivations for my current work. which is why I packaged it in Debian (some patches at [1], probably not interesting if not the 03). I have those already, apart from 02, because I started from the Debian package. I've independently implemented something like 02. If only I could find out how to force it to stay on top on my setup so that I wouldn't need to restart it every time I switch a window and want to write something... (I have a button for that in my tihos program). Yes. My idea about that is that I'd like the Input Method (IM) system to tell a small server program (which is pretending to be an IM engine) when keyboard input is needed, and then that program could run literki and make sure that it is on top. Do you think that might work? I believe that ibus is the most modern and actively developed IM system, so I've installed that and am looking at its doc, but haven't got far yet with working out the detail of what would be needed. Regards, Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Sharing literki work
On Mon, 17 Oct 2011 09:55:36 +0200, Davide Scaini wrote: Interesting! d Thanks. I've popped up another screenshot - but only showing a little more incremental change - at http://www.screenshots.cc/show/50531/frk2a. Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Sharing literki work
On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 2:46 PM, Neil Jerram n...@ossau.homelinux.net wrote: Me too. Its code is nicely organised and easy to read and modify. I like the transparent overlay approach, and its target of being finger-usable, and the hide/show control by swiping. And the touchpad idea... I'm glad to hear it! If only I could find out how to force it to stay on top on my setup so that I wouldn't need to restart it every time I switch a window and want to write something... (I have a button for that in my tihos program). Yes. My idea about that is that I'd like the Input Method (IM) system to tell a small server program (which is pretending to be an IM engine) when keyboard input is needed, and then that program could run literki and make sure that it is on top. Do you think that might work? What setup do you have? I used IceWM, and I remember hacking it to put windows with override_redirect bit on the top. That gives the user total control over hiding the keyboard. Some WMs seem to respect this bit, and it maybe can be considered a bug if the don't. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Sharing literki work
On Mon, 17 Oct 2011 17:03:56 +0200, Michał Brzozowski wrote: On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 2:46 PM, Neil Jerram n...@ossau.homelinux.net wrote: Me too. Its code is nicely organised and easy to read and modify. I like the transparent overlay approach, and its target of being finger-usable, and the hide/show control by swiping. And the touchpad idea... I'm glad to hear it! Hi Michał, thanks for commenting on this thread. What setup do you have? OpenBox at the moment; but I can change if something else is better. I used IceWM, and I remember hacking it to put windows with override_redirect bit on the top. You mean you had to change IceWM's code for this? That wouldn't surprise me, because I think override_redirect just means don't decorate me and don't mess with my size or position. I don't think it normally implies being always on top. That gives the user total control over hiding the keyboard. Some WMs seem to respect this bit, and it maybe can be considered a bug if the don't. I doubt it can be considered a bug. It seems to me that a WM needs to take specific action in order to implement always on top for a window, and the (normal) overall sense of override_redirect is more WM, please just leave me alone. Regards, Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Sharing literki work
Hi there. I'm doing some incremental work with literki, and wanted to share that in case it's of interest to more than just me. I've pushed my changes (starting from the current Debian package) to gitorious at https://gitorious.org/stuff-for-openmoko-freerunner/literki-work. I've also uploaded a couple of screenshots at http://www.screenshots.cc/show/50482/akgaz and http://www.screenshots.cc/show/50483/1ecqm. Regards, Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
