RE: Shipping questions, customer organized distribution in Europe
That's what I am working on this very moment -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hans L Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 4:38 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: Shipping questions, customer organized distribution in Europe All this talking about shipping made a lightbulb go off in my head. I'm not sure if this has already been considered, but would it be possible to distribute through Amazon.com? They seem to be very efficient about distributing things, and shipping costs have always been very reasonable(if not completely free) in my experience. I don't know exactly how it works getting distributed by Amazon, but just curious if this has been looked into. Maybe it would be beneficial to all parties involved? -Hans Loeblich ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Shipping questions, customer organized distribution in Europe
Well, you remember how we talked about your "breadcrumbs" project, where you basically create a trail or map of where you have been. So, I started thinking about that and wondering about using the accelerometers, and Then I started to think about all the extreme cases of human movement which would stress the system, and so I thought about parkour, and then I went to youtube to look at some videos just for kicks, and this came up. And the name was born. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vjco3boDZ7A -Original Message- From: Werner Almesberger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 10:55 PM To: steve Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'List for Openmoko community discussion' Subject: Re: Shipping questions, customer organized distribution in Europe steve wrote: > Werner doesn't even know he was the inspiration. Oh, *now* I'm curious :-) - Werner ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Shipping questions, customer organized distribution in Europe
All this talking about shipping made a lightbulb go off in my head. I'm not sure if this has already been considered, but would it be possible to distribute through Amazon.com? They seem to be very efficient about distributing things, and shipping costs have always been very reasonable(if not completely free) in my experience. I don't know exactly how it works getting distributed by Amazon, but just curious if this has been looked into. Maybe it would be beneficial to all parties involved? -Hans Loeblich ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Shipping questions, customer organized distribution in Europe
On 4/28/08, Erland Lewin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2008/4/28 Steven Kurylo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > I would really like the option to use the USPS instead of UPS. UPS > > charges much higher brokerage fees to bring a package into Canada > > compared to the USPS. > > If OpenMoko, Inc. won't do it, it sounds like a business opportunity for > someone living close to Freemont to buy phones, pick them up or have > inexpensive shipping, and then remail them to the rest of the world with > USPS, charging a minor fee (around $10 per phone might make it worth while > without being too expensive). > > As I wrote that I realized that there might be existing commerical services > in the US that does stuff like that... There is. myus.com is one of them. -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774> Free your mind - Open(moko) your phone ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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> > I would really like the option to use the USPS instead of UPS. UPS > > charges much higher brokerage fees to bring a package into Canada > > compared to the USPS. > > > > Thank you. > > Steven, > > Where are you in Canada? I am in Victoria. -- Steven Kurylo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Shipping questions, customer organized distribution in Europe
On Mon, 2008-04-28 at 12:30 -0700, Steven Kurylo wrote: > I would really like the option to use the USPS instead of UPS. UPS > charges much higher brokerage fees to bring a package into Canada > compared to the USPS. > > Thank you. Steven, Where are you in Canada? -Jon ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Shipping questions, customer organized distribution in Europe
2008/4/28 Steven Kurylo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I would really like the option to use the USPS instead of UPS. UPS > charges much higher brokerage fees to bring a package into Canada > compared to the USPS. If OpenMoko, Inc. won't do it, it sounds like a business opportunity for someone living close to Freemont to buy phones, pick them up or have inexpensive shipping, and then remail them to the rest of the world with USPS, charging a minor fee (around $10 per phone might make it worth while without being too expensive). As I wrote that I realized that there might be existing commerical services in the US that does stuff like that... /Erland ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Shipping questions, customer organized distribution in Europe
On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 3:30 PM, Steven Kurylo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I would really like the option to use the USPS instead of UPS. UPS > charges much higher brokerage fees to bring a package into Canada > compared to the USPS. > > Thank you. > -- > Steven Kurylo Agreed. I once had to pay $100 in brokerage fees for a $90 PocketPC Jacket when it was shipped by UPS. I've found that purolator and fedex don't often charge brokerage fees, UPS charges them quite often, where USPS hasn't yet (for me, at least). Matt ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Shipping questions, customer organized distribution in Europe
> Could you offer shipping by the US Postal Service? Looking at their website, > I see that for instance, they have a service called 'Express Mail > International' that would cost $28 for a single phone, with a delivery time > in 6 days to Sweden, and a service called 'Priority Mail International' > which would cost $19 for delivery in 6-10 days. I would really like the option to use the USPS instead of UPS. UPS charges much higher brokerage fees to bring a package into Canada compared to the USPS. Thank you. -- Steven Kurylo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Shipping questions, customer organized distribution in Europe
On 4/28/08, Werner Almesberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > steve wrote: > > Werner doesn't even know he was the inspiration. > > Oh, *now* I'm curious :-) > > - Werner Maybe you "run free" of something? (Did you run away from jail/work/someone???) Or running out _in_ the free? Or you where running without getting paid for it? Does running actually free your mind? ... ... That would qualify as "free (as in beer or gratis) running". Anyway, I like the name Freerunner, since it runs (i.e. powered) with free software:) -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774> Free your mind - Open(moko) your phone ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Shipping questions, customer organized distribution in Europe
steve wrote: > Werner doesn't even know he was the inspiration. Oh, *now* I'm curious :-) - Werner ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Shipping questions, customer organized distribution in Europe
I'am have same question about pass the customer organized,what we need do that?___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Shipping questions, customer organized distribution in Europe
no worries, thanks for being attuned to the co-incidental association between freemont and freerunner. Some day maybe I'll explain how the freerunner name came to me. Werner doesn't even know he was the inspiration. Steve _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Geoff Ruscoe Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 12:24 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: Shipping questions, customer organized distribution in Europe Thanks so much for the clarification -- I guess I missed that! So it sounds like the $399 includes shipping to Freemont, CA? We're responsible for shipping from there? And how appropriate that the openmoko neo freerunner goes to Freemont! I am so excited about this phone I just can't stand it! Cheers to you all! On Sun, Apr 27, 2008 at 3:06 PM, Erland Lewin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Thanks for the quick answer, Steve. 2008/4/27 steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: just doing a quick check from UPS the shipment from the US [to Europe] for a single phone would be on the order of 70 USD For 10 phones the bulk is on the order of 160USD, which mean 16USD per customer. Could you offer shipping by the US Postal Service? Looking at their website, I see that for instance, they have a service called 'Express Mail International' that would cost $28 for a single phone, with a delivery time in 6 days to Sweden, and a service called 'Priority Mail International' which would cost $19 for delivery in 6-10 days. The same services would be $51 for a 10-pack with delivery in 6 days, or $35-40 for delivery in 6-10 days. I'm sure many customers would prefer saving, say $50 on the shipping of a single phone, or $120 for a 10-pack even if delivery takes an extra week (even if we're all anxious to get our phones). Geoff: I was asking about shipment to Europe. I think Steve mentioned shipping to Freemont, CA because he was saying that all phones are shipped from China to Freemont directly first, and then to wherever the customer is. /Erland ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Geoff Ruscoe Sigma Visions Computer Consulting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Shipping questions, customer organized distribution in Europe
Thanks Erland, The Fremont hub is close to my house, So as the phones come in I'll be there for the grand arrival. As for the shipping details I believe they are contracted with UPS, but I will check on that. Last time I talked to them, they were. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Erland Lewin Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 12:06 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Cc: Harry Tsai Subject: Re: Shipping questions, customer organized distribution in Europe Thanks for the quick answer, Steve. 2008/4/27 steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: just doing a quick check from UPS the shipment from the US [to Europe] for a single phone would be on the order of 70 USD For 10 phones the bulk is on the order of 160USD, which mean 16USD per customer. Could you offer shipping by the US Postal Service? Looking at their website, I see that for instance, they have a service called 'Express Mail International' that would cost $28 for a single phone, with a delivery time in 6 days to Sweden, and a service called 'Priority Mail International' which would cost $19 for delivery in 6-10 days. The same services would be $51 for a 10-pack with delivery in 6 days, or $35-40 for delivery in 6-10 days. I'm sure many customers would prefer saving, say $50 on the shipping of a single phone, or $120 for a 10-pack even if delivery takes an extra week (even if we're all anxious to get our phones). Geoff: I was asking about shipment to Europe. I think Steve mentioned shipping to Freemont, CA because he was saying that all phones are shipped from China to Freemont directly first, and then to wherever the customer is. /Erland ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Shipping questions, customer organized distribution in Europe
I’m was speaking of US to EU. I can go Guesstimate US to US for you, via UPS or you can. Just take the dimensions and weights I gave you. Go to UPS, enter the data. Fremont CA is the shipper. and you will get a good GUESS at it. For CA to Tennessee the single phone, can be shipped for sub 20, cheapest rate, 7 or 8 days. The 10 pak would be around 40. or 4 per phone, again, cheapest rate. Since The fullifillement center does this as a profession, I will get more details, but in all seriousness guys I cannot figure out the shipping details for everyone. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Geoff Ruscoe Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 11:30 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: Shipping questions, customer organized distribution in Europe I'm a little confused. Are you saying to order 1 phone to the US we will have to pay $70 for shipping? That is so expensive! We need to make sure everyone is aware of this, because we must order the 10 packs. I have posted for the Indiana / Kentucky 10 pack. So if we were to order a 10 pack it would be $160 shipping right? So $16 / phone. So we would get a $30 or $40 discount on the phone and then a $54 discount on the shipping. Am I putting this together correctly? You were talking about shipping to the U.S. right? I say this because I noticed on one line you said to California and on another line I saw shipping with UPS from the US. Can you clarify so we can make sure we get our 10 people together. Thanks! On Sun, Apr 27, 2008 at 1:56 PM, steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Lots of questions. Let me see if I can help with some basics. We ship a 10 Pack to Fremont California. Dimensions are 435mm x 371mm x 119mm I think the weight is on the order of 3kilo. An individual box weighs 237 gm. The individual box is dimensioned thusly. 178mm x 104mm x 84mm just doing a quick check from UPS the shipment from the US for a single phone would be on the order of 70 USD For 10 phones the bulk is on the order of 160USD, which mean 16USD per customer. I picked a random EU city to just get a sense of things. EU hub will happen in due course. When the costs of hubbing in the EU benefit our end users. Steve _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Erland Lewin Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 10:06 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Shipping questions, customer organized distribution in Europe In preparation for The Big Day, I have some questions about how the shipping from OpenMoko will work. How much does one package (with a single phone) weigh (approximately)? What will its dimensions be? There's been talk about a hub in Europe, has that idea been scrubbed? IF not, will it be in place in time for the first shipments? When ordering directly from OpenMoko to Europe, how much will shipping cost for a 10-pack? Would that package come from the US, China or Taiwan (just curious)? How much would shipping be for 24 10-packs (approximately 235 phones have been noted for Europe on the Community purchase wiki page)? If OpenMoko doesn't set up a hub in Europe, I wonder if it would make sense for us consumers to do our own hub-like distribution. Using prices from the Swedish postal service (which is probably not one of the cheapest in Europe), if a single phone package weighs between 500 g and 1 kg, it would cost €24 to send as an insured letter to other European countries. Not all that expensive, I think. Distribution would probably be even less expensive if we order one package to the country in Europe with the lowest postal rates (maybe combined with a low VAT), then ship phones to one person in each country in the city/region with most buyers, who then posts them domestically to each buyer in other parts of his country, and maybe hands them out to buyers in his own city. The biggest difficulty would probably be that this would involve a lot of money (over 50 kEUR), and increase the trust required for all this to work. How much we would save on the shipping would be a factor involved in whether this would be worth the trouble. Buying directly from OpenMoko would probably not provide us with a particularly good guarantee, so some European buyers might prefer to buy from European resellers. If we could get the shipping costs (which should be known by now?), we could do some calculations. /Erland ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Geoff Ruscoe Sigma Visions Computer Consulting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Shipping questions, customer organized distribution in Europe
I thought about it some more, and USD 16/phone for a bulk order isn't enough to make a fuss about (I assume that's insured). But I think OpenMoko would sell more phones if you could offer shipping for $19 instead of $70 (a big difference for an item costing $400) for single phones. When the phone is first released, we seem well organized for 10-pack orders, but if someone wants to buy phones later, it won't be so easy to gather up people for a 10-pack. Anyhow, comparing the Pulster price of €299 inc. VAT + €15 shipping inside EU = €315 with a 10-pack direct order price of $339=€218 + 25% swedish VAT=€55 + shipping $16=€10 = €283 (that's not including domestic shipping) means that we're paying €32 extra to buy from a European dealer which means a better guarantee, faster delivery, and less hassle with paying VAT ourselves. And there's probably some value to supporting European dealers. I'd probably go for buying from a dealer rather than ordering a 10-pack. The only disadvantage would be missing out on the 'extras', particularly the headset. Hmm... /Erland ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Thanks so much for the clarification -- I guess I missed that! So it sounds like the $399 includes shipping to Freemont, CA? We're responsible for shipping from there? And how appropriate that the openmoko neo freerunner goes to Freemont! I am so excited about this phone I just can't stand it! Cheers to you all! On Sun, Apr 27, 2008 at 3:06 PM, Erland Lewin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks for the quick answer, Steve. > > 2008/4/27 steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > just doing a quick check from UPS the shipment from the US [to Europe] > > for a single phone would be on the order of 70 USD > > > > For 10 phones the bulk is on the order of 160USD, which mean 16USD per > > customer. > > > Could you offer shipping by the US Postal Service? Looking at their > website, I see that for instance, they have a service called 'Express Mail > International' that would cost $28 for a single phone, with a delivery time > in 6 days to Sweden, and a service called 'Priority Mail International' > which would cost $19 for delivery in 6-10 days. > > The same services would be $51 for a 10-pack with delivery in 6 days, or > $35-40 for delivery in 6-10 days. > > I'm sure many customers would prefer saving, say $50 on the shipping of a > single phone, or $120 for a 10-pack even if delivery takes an extra week > (even if we're all anxious to get our phones). > > Geoff: I was asking about shipment to Europe. I think Steve mentioned > shipping to Freemont, CA because he was saying that all phones are shipped > from China to Freemont directly first, and then to wherever the customer is. > > /Erland > > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > -- Geoff Ruscoe Sigma Visions Computer Consulting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Shipping questions, customer organized distribution in Europe
Thanks for the quick answer, Steve. 2008/4/27 steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > just doing a quick check from UPS the shipment from the US [to Europe] for > a single phone would be on the order of 70 USD > > For 10 phones the bulk is on the order of 160USD, which mean 16USD per > customer. > Could you offer shipping by the US Postal Service? Looking at their website, I see that for instance, they have a service called 'Express Mail International' that would cost $28 for a single phone, with a delivery time in 6 days to Sweden, and a service called 'Priority Mail International' which would cost $19 for delivery in 6-10 days. The same services would be $51 for a 10-pack with delivery in 6 days, or $35-40 for delivery in 6-10 days. I'm sure many customers would prefer saving, say $50 on the shipping of a single phone, or $120 for a 10-pack even if delivery takes an extra week (even if we're all anxious to get our phones). Geoff: I was asking about shipment to Europe. I think Steve mentioned shipping to Freemont, CA because he was saying that all phones are shipped from China to Freemont directly first, and then to wherever the customer is. /Erland ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Shipping questions, customer organized distribution in Europe
I'm a little confused. Are you saying to order 1 phone to the US we will have to pay $70 for shipping? That is so expensive! We need to make sure everyone is aware of this, because we must order the 10 packs. I have posted for the Indiana / Kentucky 10 pack. So if we were to order a 10 pack it would be $160 shipping right? So $16 / phone. So we would get a $30 or $40 discount on the phone and then a $54 discount on the shipping. Am I putting this together correctly? You were talking about shipping to the U.S. right? I say this because I noticed on one line you said to California and on another line I saw shipping with UPS from the US. Can you clarify so we can make sure we get our 10 people together. Thanks! On Sun, Apr 27, 2008 at 1:56 PM, steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Lots of questions. > > > > Let me see if I can help with some basics. > > > > We ship a 10 Pack to Fremont California. > > > > Dimensions are 435mm x 371mm x 119mm > > I think the weight is on the order of 3kilo. An individual box weighs 237 > gm. > > > > The individual box is dimensioned thusly. 178mm x 104mm x 84mm > > > > just doing a quick check from UPS the shipment from the US for a single > phone would be on the order of 70 USD > > For 10 phones the bulk is on the order of 160USD, which mean 16USD per > customer. > > > > I picked a random EU city to just get a sense of things. > > > > EU hub will happen in due course. When the costs of hubbing in the EU > benefit our end users. > > > > Steve > > > > > > > -- > > *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Erland Lewin > *Sent:* Sunday, April 27, 2008 10:06 AM > *To:* List for Openmoko community discussion > *Subject:* Shipping questions, customer organized distribution in Europe > > > > In preparation for The Big Day, I have some questions about how the > shipping from OpenMoko will work. > > How much does one package (with a single phone) weigh (approximately)? > What will its dimensions be? > > There's been talk about a hub in Europe, has that idea been scrubbed? IF > not, will it be in place in time for the first shipments? > > When ordering directly from OpenMoko to Europe, how much will shipping > cost for a 10-pack? Would that package come from the US, China or Taiwan > (just curious)? How much would shipping be for 24 10-packs (approximately > 235 phones have been noted for Europe on the Community purchase wiki page)? > > If OpenMoko doesn't set up a hub in Europe, I wonder if it would make > sense for us consumers to do our own hub-like distribution. Using prices > from the Swedish postal service (which is probably not one of the cheapest > in Europe), if a single phone package weighs between 500 g and 1 kg, it > would cost €24 to send as an insured letter to other European countries. Not > all that expensive, I think. > > Distribution would probably be even less expensive if we order one package > to the country in Europe with the lowest postal rates (maybe combined with a > low VAT), then ship phones to one person in each country in the city/region > with most buyers, who then posts them domestically to each buyer in other > parts of his country, and maybe hands them out to buyers in his own city. > > The biggest difficulty would probably be that this would involve a lot of > money (over 50 kEUR), and increase the trust required for all this to work. > How much we would save on the shipping would be a factor involved in whether > this would be worth the trouble. > > Buying directly from OpenMoko would probably not provide us with a > particularly good guarantee, so some European buyers might prefer to buy > from European resellers. > > If we could get the shipping costs (which should be known by now?), we > could do some calculations. > > /Erland > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > -- Geoff Ruscoe Sigma Visions Computer Consulting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Shipping questions, customer organized distribution in Europe
Lots of questions. Let me see if I can help with some basics. We ship a 10 Pack to Fremont California. Dimensions are 435mm x 371mm x 119mm I think the weight is on the order of 3kilo. An individual box weighs 237 gm. The individual box is dimensioned thusly. 178mm x 104mm x 84mm just doing a quick check from UPS the shipment from the US for a single phone would be on the order of 70 USD For 10 phones the bulk is on the order of 160USD, which mean 16USD per customer. I picked a random EU city to just get a sense of things. EU hub will happen in due course. When the costs of hubbing in the EU benefit our end users. Steve _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Erland Lewin Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 10:06 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Shipping questions, customer organized distribution in Europe In preparation for The Big Day, I have some questions about how the shipping from OpenMoko will work. How much does one package (with a single phone) weigh (approximately)? What will its dimensions be? There's been talk about a hub in Europe, has that idea been scrubbed? IF not, will it be in place in time for the first shipments? When ordering directly from OpenMoko to Europe, how much will shipping cost for a 10-pack? Would that package come from the US, China or Taiwan (just curious)? How much would shipping be for 24 10-packs (approximately 235 phones have been noted for Europe on the Community purchase wiki page)? If OpenMoko doesn't set up a hub in Europe, I wonder if it would make sense for us consumers to do our own hub-like distribution. Using prices from the Swedish postal service (which is probably not one of the cheapest in Europe), if a single phone package weighs between 500 g and 1 kg, it would cost €24 to send as an insured letter to other European countries. Not all that expensive, I think. Distribution would probably be even less expensive if we order one package to the country in Europe with the lowest postal rates (maybe combined with a low VAT), then ship phones to one person in each country in the city/region with most buyers, who then posts them domestically to each buyer in other parts of his country, and maybe hands them out to buyers in his own city. The biggest difficulty would probably be that this would involve a lot of money (over 50 kEUR), and increase the trust required for all this to work. How much we would save on the shipping would be a factor involved in whether this would be worth the trouble. Buying directly from OpenMoko would probably not provide us with a particularly good guarantee, so some European buyers might prefer to buy from European resellers. If we could get the shipping costs (which should be known by now?), we could do some calculations. /Erland ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Shipping questions, customer organized distribution in Europe
In preparation for The Big Day, I have some questions about how the shipping from OpenMoko will work. How much does one package (with a single phone) weigh (approximately)? What will its dimensions be? There's been talk about a hub in Europe, has that idea been scrubbed? IF not, will it be in place in time for the first shipments? When ordering directly from OpenMoko to Europe, how much will shipping cost for a 10-pack? Would that package come from the US, China or Taiwan (just curious)? How much would shipping be for 24 10-packs (approximately 235 phones have been noted for Europe on the Community purchase wiki page)? If OpenMoko doesn't set up a hub in Europe, I wonder if it would make sense for us consumers to do our own hub-like distribution. Using prices from the Swedish postal service (which is probably not one of the cheapest in Europe), if a single phone package weighs between 500 g and 1 kg, it would cost €24 to send as an insured letter to other European countries. Not all that expensive, I think. Distribution would probably be even less expensive if we order one package to the country in Europe with the lowest postal rates (maybe combined with a low VAT), then ship phones to one person in each country in the city/region with most buyers, who then posts them domestically to each buyer in other parts of his country, and maybe hands them out to buyers in his own city. The biggest difficulty would probably be that this would involve a lot of money (over 50 kEUR), and increase the trust required for all this to work. How much we would save on the shipping would be a factor involved in whether this would be worth the trouble. Buying directly from OpenMoko would probably not provide us with a particularly good guarantee, so some European buyers might prefer to buy from European resellers. If we could get the shipping costs (which should be known by now?), we could do some calculations. /Erland ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
