Re: Stop whininig / be friendly
On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 5:38 PM, Christoph Pulster openm...@pulster.de Sean, the remaining OM community is HERE and listening your point of view. You do not use this chance, thats a pity. Pulster I'm a person that prefers to let our work speak for itself – and then of course do my best to give it a serious push ;) We (OM) have done zero work that directly overlaps with the original goals of this community since the phone project ended. Personally, I felt uncomfortable pushing a point of view without contributing (or at least working on something of) value to you all. If there's something specific yourself, or anyone else is interested in, I'm glad to response. Openmoko was no fail. You incarnated the idea of a free phone. After Apple/Androids sucked all our datas and brains, you will be in the history books of freedom. I appreciate the kind words. But do wish we could have been sucking their brains out by now. Technology is cyclic. We'll get our shot again. Sean ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stop whininig / be friendly
On 21 May 2012 09:51:00 +0200 openm...@pulster.de (Christoph Pulster) wrote: Hi Harald, thanks for your advices, which are intelligent ones, really. You are right, bitterness is what I feel. Why ? Openmoko forget to buy MP3-patent rights. The german customs seized my 500pcs-pallett order from China. I had to sign contract with patent holders, which is valid since 2017. So 5 years more I am a f.. slave [...] Thanks for that tidbit, you should probably right about it, officially, as one more argument against software patents. The way I see it, software patents on MP3s really *actually* hurt the inovative (mostly in that it is the most open phone around) OpenMoko project and its few distributors. This should not be hushed. Rui ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stop whininig / be friendly
Pulster You and I both know we did what we could behind the scenes to help you. Patents are an awful mess that really hurt startups. Especially in capital intensive businesses like ours was. If you want to come at me, do it like the gentleman I knew you to be. You have my phone and email. I'm not going anywhere. Sean On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 3:51 PM, Christoph Pulster openm...@pulster.de wrote: Hi Harald, thanks for your advices, which are intelligent ones, really. You are right, bitterness is what I feel. Why ? Openmoko forget to buy MP3-patent rights. The german customs seized my 500pcs-pallett order from China. I had to sign contract with patent holders, which is valid since 2017. So 5 years more I am a f.. slave thanks to Openmoko. I did not receive any help from Sean. Besides this personal story (some risk is part of the game to resell goods online, so no further whining), I always miss the openess in the communication of Sean. Please remember the hardware bugs (GPS, buzzing, bass), we resellers had to handle all the customer complaints, take back the units, repair on own costs. No instructions from manufactorer side. Next non-communication concerned future of Freerunner, future of Openmoko Inc., new products etc. - nothing was communicated from Sean to community. Instead we got a born-dead baby called Wikireader and some third products, some strange video-portal, I forget the name and the idea behind since many month. Third, where is the damn support for GTA04 ? I asked 1000times for case moulds or inventory to buy from closing Openmoko laboraties, nothing in reply. Forget all mistakes in the past if just the future is supported. But nothing happend. Yes, you are right, these views back with bitterness does not help. But on the other side I was never a friend of communities which act like a relious sect, where saying uncomfortable things gets banned. (in the high times of Openmoko it was sect style). I personally learned my lesson: get your hands away from amateur style driven companys. Openmoko has been one of it. Sean always did understand himself as a artist, not a businessman. We need such creative persons. But please pay some salary to a professional sales-guy doing the homework desparetely needed to survive as company. FIC put a big bag full of money before the doors of Openmoko. Financially it was no magic to create a product out of it. Any start-up company creating something from scratch is a miracle compared to this. What I realised on reseller side, is that money was spend quite easy. Openmoko through around with free debug boards, pouches and headsets etc. Call it generousity, I call it waste of cash reflow. Not to get rich, but to have money to develop further products. Coming to an end with my rant, 50% may be my personal bitterness, but 50% are in some way true. The fail of Openmoko is the proove. Christoph ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stop whininig / be friendly
Hi Christoph, openm...@pulster.de (Christoph Pulster) writes: thanks for your advices, which are intelligent ones, really. You are right, bitterness is what I feel. Why ? ... Coming to an end with my rant, 50% may be my personal bitterness, but 50% are in some way true. The fail of Openmoko is the proove. Very well justified and open and transparent mail. Big thanks for your frankness, and best of luck in your complicated business. -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Stop whininig / be friendly (Re: Harald for president)
Chris, On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 11:08:00AM +0200, Christoph Pulster wrote: A big THANKS to Harald for all his effords to keep Openmoko project online ! - what a pity Sean did not care about his baby anymore. Please refrain from further bashing about Sean here on this list. This is neither helpful not fair. I think there are few people who understand the amount of trouble, stress and personal hardship that Sean went thorough in the Openmoko hay days. Sean was the one who broguht all of us together, and who enabled us to try to build something that we had all only been able to dream about before: A truly open/free phone. The fact that it has not been overly successful (commercially, technically, ...) does nothing to the fact that we would have never tried all of that with Sean. There have undoubtedly been many difficult times for all of us involved. People like Werenr, Wolfgang or me had an easy way out: While we had lots of say inside the project and company, we waere freelancers that got paid and who could leave any time. Sean had started the company and he never had a chance to simply walk away. So I would really like to ask you (and others on this list) to stop seeng Sean as the enemy. The large companies out there making billions of $currency every quarter selling locked-down, proprietary phones are the enemy. You cannot blame somebody for trying to change that, failing to do so and then at some point deliberately not reading the old mailing lists as you have to focus on some completely different projects and products by now. After all, he has been paying thousands of dollars of server hosting in the years after Openmoko Inc. had discontinued the phones. Regarding your complaints about distributors not receiving the best treatment that you had liked: We were a very small team trying to do the impossible in many different areas, on an incredibly tight budget. Everyone had to take shortcuts, and everyone was overworked. I'm sorry that this left some discomfort with you, but distributors/partners were not the only thing that had to be taken care of... What you're doing now with your bitching is just creating bitterness on all sides, and honestly, it is not going to help at all. Regards, Harald -- - Harald Welte lafo...@gnumonks.org http://laforge.gnumonks.org/ Privacy in residential applications is a desirable marketing option. (ETSI EN 300 175-7 Ch. A6) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stop whininig / be friendly (Re: Harald for president)
I agree, I always got kind responses from Sean when I wrote him. Infrastructure topic is only exception, but you said he is going to write response, better later than never. :-) Dne 20.5.2012 13:22, Harald Welte napsal(a): Chris, On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 11:08:00AM +0200, Christoph Pulster wrote: A big THANKS to Harald for all his effords to keep Openmoko project online ! - what a pity Sean did not care about his baby anymore. Please refrain from further bashing about Sean here on this list. This is neither helpful not fair. I think there are few people who understand the amount of trouble, stress and personal hardship that Sean went thorough in the Openmoko hay days. Sean was the one who broguht all of us together, and who enabled us to try to build something that we had all only been able to dream about before: A truly open/free phone. The fact that it has not been overly successful (commercially, technically, ...) does nothing to the fact that we would have never tried all of that with Sean. There have undoubtedly been many difficult times for all of us involved. People like Werenr, Wolfgang or me had an easy way out: While we had lots of say inside the project and company, we waere freelancers that got paid and who could leave any time. Sean had started the company and he never had a chance to simply walk away. So I would really like to ask you (and others on this list) to stop seeng Sean as the enemy. The large companies out there making billions of $currency every quarter selling locked-down, proprietary phones are the enemy. You cannot blame somebody for trying to change that, failing to do so and then at some point deliberately not reading the old mailing lists as you have to focus on some completely different projects and products by now. After all, he has been paying thousands of dollars of server hosting in the years after Openmoko Inc. had discontinued the phones. Regarding your complaints about distributors not receiving the best treatment that you had liked: We were a very small team trying to do the impossible in many different areas, on an incredibly tight budget. Everyone had to take shortcuts, and everyone was overworked. I'm sorry that this left some discomfort with you, but distributors/partners were not the only thing that had to be taken care of... What you're doing now with your bitching is just creating bitterness on all sides, and honestly, it is not going to help at all. Regards, Harald ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
