Re: Take a look at these stupid people...
I think You misunderstood this a little bit! The stupid are the journalists, whose are not doing their job! If the TV say This is the first project to create an fair phone, I think this is not correct! But the most people believe in such statements. This is not fair for existing projects! Ok, the fair phone guys should not start an new project, because if everyone starts an new extreme small project no one has a chance to survive (also cause of lack of money and resources/ developer). So these project have to become connected, to reach more customers, to survive and to force the bigger manufacturers to become more fair and green. But fair, I my point of view, is not only to be fair against the workers in mines and factories, it should also be fair to the customers! Especially the support life cycle is not fair for customers and nature. In an earlier TV broadcast (I think it was on ARD), they blamed about the 2 year software/ update support of cheaper smart-phones. If You have to buy an new smart-phone every two years to get new software, I think this is not fair, too. And this is not good for nature..to throw away an working phone. -- Regards Sebastian Reinhardt ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Take a look at these stupid people...
On 3 April 2013 13:01, Sebastian Reinhardt s...@lmv-hartmannsdorf.de wrote: If You have to buy an new smart-phone every two years to get new software, I think this is not fair, too. And this is not good for nature..to throw away an working phone. I agree that an artificial withholding of software updates is a ridiculous reason to buy a new phone. Fortunately iPhones and android phones have typically had a few years of software updates available, and with the android mods there's no reason that some older phones can't continue to get new features past the time that Google or the manufacturer want to stop supporting them. But there are other reasons: physical wear and tear, batteries don't work so well after a couple of years, and it's amazing how fast new features continue to be added even though we can start to expect smartphones to be a maturing category of device. Every year there have been more cores, faster clock speed, more memory, more storage, better GPU, better accelerometers, better touch, wacom stylus, better GPS, other types of sensors, NFC, maybe zigbee will come soon? At this point the smartphone is not mature because there's no end in sight. Next we can imagine using an eyetap and some new types of input devices to avoid having to carry the phone in one hand and touch with the other, which ties up both hands and requires you to look down and be out of touch with reality. Every generation of device, there's at least one new feature that you really want. So while I wish technology could have a longer life, it would have to mean a kind of stagnation too, or else such extreme leapfrogging that there is nothing else that you could want for several years while the competitors catch up (like Apple managed to do for a while). A small indie project has a vanishingly small chance of leapfrogging like that. The Neo phones were obsolete almost from the beginning because they didn't support multi-touch and full-screen GPU rendering, just at the time when you would really begin to want both; and on top of that it's bulky, has relatively poor industrial design and the price is too high. But there is room for open source efforts to add features and extend the life of existing devices, I think. New software features are easier to create than new innovative hardware, and revolutionary features are still relatively rare in software. It's just that the same type of person who wants to be a developer is probably also the one who always wants the latest hardware. (Except when that person is too poor to buy it, or when the category is actually mature, as has just about happened to PC's.) The nanotech refinement of 3d printing should eventually make it possible to homebrew custom devices, and upgrade them a piece at a time, but then we will be living in a scarier world with its own set of problems. And it's still a big piece of engineering; remains to be seen if volunteers can ever out-innovate the big guys. So I hope fairphone succeeds, but they will need shoulders of giants to stand on in both the hardware and software areas, otherwise it will be too little too late for too high a price again. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Take a look at these stupid people...
They said: There is no fair smartphone on market, so we have to invent it Nothing about GTA04 or OpenMoko! Stupid people! A new example for bad journalism... FairPhone on arte (here I have seen it first): http://wp.arte.tv/yourope-de/?p=8490 The site: http://www.fairphone.com/ -- Regards Sebastian Reinhardt ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Take a look at these stupid people...
On Wed 03 April 2013 02:04:32 Sebastian Reinhardt wrote: They said: There is no fair smartphone on market, so we have to invent it Nothing about GTA04 or OpenMoko! Stupid people! A new example for bad journalism... FairPhone on arte (here I have seen it first): http://wp.arte.tv/yourope-de/?p=8490 The site: http://www.fairphone.com/ ARTE is dull enough to not be able to create a viewable video stream on a i5 PC with a 2Mbit/s downlink, to display a cigbox size display on a 24 screen. What need I say more /j -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Take a look at these stupid people...
On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 8:04 AM, Sebastian Reinhardt wrote: They said: There is no fair smartphone on market, so we have to invent it Nothing about GTA04 or OpenMoko! Stupid people! A new example for bad journalism... It probably isn't a good idea to start calling potential allies stupid, especially on twitter and thus on their website. If you read their website, they are less about software freedom and more about not contributing to civil war, genocide, environmental destruction etc by buying minerals from warlords mined using slavery-like conditions with zero consideration for the environment. http://www.fairphone.com/about/ http://www.fairphone.com/faq/#q1 http://www.fairphone.com/faq/#q6 To me, the OpenMoko community seemed to be by geeks, for geeks. That the Fairphone folks haven't heard about OpenMoko/OpenPhoenux says more about the publicity and outreach done by our community than about the Fairphone people. Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think OpenMoko Inc scrutinized (or had the resources to) their supply chain for conflict minerals, poor working conditions or environmental destruction either. Not sure about Goldelico, it would be interesting to hear about this. There is a potential partnership here, I'd encourage Goldelico to make some connections. FairPhone on arte (here I have seen it first): http://wp.arte.tv/yourope-de/?p=8490 Could someone do an English transcription of that? -- bye, pabs http://bonedaddy.net/pabs3/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Take a look at these stupid people...
On Wed, 3 Apr 2013 10:16:20 +0800 Paul Wise pa...@bonedaddy.net wrote: On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 8:04 AM, Sebastian Reinhardt wrote: They said: There is no fair smartphone on market, so we have to invent it Nothing about GTA04 or OpenMoko! Stupid people! A new example for bad journalism... It probably isn't a good idea to start calling potential allies stupid, especially on twitter and thus on their website. If you read their website, they are less about software freedom and more about not contributing to civil war, genocide, environmental destruction etc by buying minerals from warlords mined using slavery-like conditions with zero consideration for the environment. http://www.fairphone.com/about/ http://www.fairphone.com/faq/#q1 http://www.fairphone.com/faq/#q6 To me, the OpenMoko community seemed to be by geeks, for geeks. That the Fairphone folks haven't heard about OpenMoko/OpenPhoenux says more about the publicity and outreach done by our community than about the Fairphone people. Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think OpenMoko Inc scrutinized (or had the resources to) their supply chain for conflict minerals, poor working conditions or environmental destruction either. Not sure about Goldelico, it would be interesting to hear about this. There is a potential partnership here, I'd encourage Goldelico to make some connections. FairPhone on arte (here I have seen it first): http://wp.arte.tv/yourope-de/?p=8490 Could someone do an English transcription of that? Well Said Paul. B ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Take a look at these stupid people...
On Wed, Apr 03, 2013 at 10:16:20AM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 8:04 AM, Sebastian Reinhardt wrote: They said: There is no fair smartphone on market, so we have to invent it Nothing about GTA04 or OpenMoko! Stupid people! A new example for bad journalism... It probably isn't a good idea to start calling potential allies stupid, especially on twitter and thus on their website. If you read their website, they are less about software freedom and more about not contributing to civil war, genocide, environmental destruction etc by buying minerals from warlords mined using slavery-like conditions with zero consideration for the environment. http://www.fairphone.com/about/ http://www.fairphone.com/faq/#q1 http://www.fairphone.com/faq/#q6 To me, the OpenMoko community seemed to be by geeks, for geeks. That the Fairphone folks haven't heard about OpenMoko/OpenPhoenux says more about the publicity and outreach done by our community than about the Fairphone people. Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think OpenMoko Inc scrutinized (or had the resources to) their supply chain for conflict minerals, poor working conditions or environmental destruction either. Not sure about Goldelico, it would be interesting to hear about this. There is a potential partnership here, I'd encourage Goldelico to make some connections. I think it says quite a bit more about how stupid we've been as geeks to ignore the other social aspects a Libre Hardware (that complies with the Debian Free Software Guidelines.. http://freedomdefined.org/OSHW_draft ) mobile device could make possible. What we all need to get more intelligent about now is how to educate the socially-conscious market out there of the benefits of Libre soft/hardware and how critical it is for the long-term goals of the FairPhone project that the entire design meet the debian free software guidelines. We were about 5-10 years too early for the rest of the world with OpenMoko. Maybe now it's time. -- Troy Benjegerdes'da hozer' ho...@hozed.org Somone asked my why I work on this free (http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/) software hardware (http://q3u.be) stuff and not get a real job. Charles Shultz had the best answer: Why do musicians compose symphonies and poets write poems? They do it because life wouldn't have any meaning for them if they didn't. That's why I draw cartoons. It's my life. -- Charles Shultz ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
