Re: Trolltech/Nokia and QTopia on FR [...]
Knut Yrvin wrote: Hi Yaroslav and all the good contributors to Freerunner, I got a short answer on your second question :) On Tuesday 29. July 2008, Yaroslav Halchenko wrote: another question (sorry if I missed answer in some of the threads) -- I wonder if you are the only person dedicated by Trolltech (or Nokia) to work on qtopia for openmoko? Holger Freyther was working on supporting Qtopia on OpenEmbedded paid by Trolltech for almost half a year, also benefiting the Freerunner effort. He is now contributing through OpenMoko, and I think he's doing a good job. We will increase our effort supporting free software. That will be expressed in actions instead of words. I'm planning to invite some of the heavy contributors using Qt in Freerunner to a round table session in Brisbane Australia. There are several things on the agenda, but it boils down to what Trolltech can improve. The only reason I as a community manger has not been faster, is all the work with the Nokia acquisition planning. When you include my usual travelling to free software events, there has been no time left to cover more bases. It is just interesting ;-) also it would be great if you could summarize in few words (if you feel like it) what are the future directions you and your team are going to accomplish for qtopia on FR? would be there a 'long term support' of any kind for qtopia on FR? Trolltech will further develop, improve and enhance Qtopia. When it comes to Freerunner, they are in charge for their plans and actions regarding software development. Of course there are cooperation with Trolltech engineering, community and some marketing activeties. And we are working on improvements there too. Personally I'm a fan of the Freerunner effort. When I got the opportunity, I've sponsored travels and accommodations for persons who present what can be done with Freerunner and Open Source on phones. Ole Tange was one of the speakers[1] at Open Nordic Mobile in June. He did a really good presentation of the Freerunner project and opportunities with free software on phones. 1. http://conference.ez.no/eng/Open-Nordic-Conference-2008/Program We have shown the prover of Qtopia with Neo 1973 since Open Source in Mobile September 2007. We also got a demo called Qt Everywhere with a touch screen program launcher using PictureFlow[2]. We are running that on Neo at all our trade shows and some of the free software events: 2. http://qt-apps.org/content/show.php/PictureFlow?content=75348 Several people are working on the program for Mobile Developer Days 2008 (MDD) in Berlin 10-14 September (the conference will be from Sept 10-12, the weekend Sept 12-14 will be a code camp). Last year a couple of OpenEmbedded/Freerunner developers participated at MDD in Denmark. We hope that more can join this year in Berlin. I know more people will join from Nokia this year. 3. http://mobiledevices.kom.aau.dk/team_and_organization/events/mobile_developer_days_2008/ This was maybe not a short answer, but it shows that we are committed and really pleased with the progress of Freerunner and the use of Qtopia. The question now is when and how to organise our round table trip to Australia :) Best regards Knut Yrvin I very much appreciate the work Trolltech/Nokia have put in to the Qtopia release and the support which they have shown for the Freerunner project and open-source mobile in general - thank you, I always enjoy reading your posts on the mailing lists. I have a couple of questions - I read somewhere on the Openmoko wiki that (to paraphrase) enough of the Qtopia release is open-source that you can run it on the Freerunner without the proprietary components. I know Qt has gradually migrated to open licenses over the course of history, but what is the current licensing status of the Freerunner Qtopia release? How much is open-source and how much is proprietary? And if I can finish with a horribly vague question, how much of the open-source component of Qtopia is contributed back to the Openmoko project in a usable fashion (i.e. do the open-source components rely on a proprietary component [or Qtopia-specific feature such as writing directly to framebuffer] to work and therefore are only open-source in the context of Qtopia development, or are they totally portable to ASU/FSO with little or no modification?) Aaron ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Trolltech/Nokia and QTopia on FR [...]
Aaron Sowry wrote: Knut Yrvin wrote: Hi Yaroslav and all the good contributors to Freerunner, I got a short answer on your second question :) On Tuesday 29. July 2008, Yaroslav Halchenko wrote: another question (sorry if I missed answer in some of the threads) -- I wonder if you are the only person dedicated by Trolltech (or Nokia) to work on qtopia for openmoko? Holger Freyther was working on supporting Qtopia on OpenEmbedded paid by Trolltech for almost half a year, also benefiting the Freerunner effort. He is now contributing through OpenMoko, and I think he's doing a good job. We will increase our effort supporting free software. That will be expressed in actions instead of words. I'm planning to invite some of the heavy contributors using Qt in Freerunner to a round table session in Brisbane Australia. There are several things on the agenda, but it boils down to what Trolltech can improve. The only reason I as a community manger has not been faster, is all the work with the Nokia acquisition planning. When you include my usual travelling to free software events, there has been no time left to cover more bases. It is just interesting ;-) also it would be great if you could summarize in few words (if you feel like it) what are the future directions you and your team are going to accomplish for qtopia on FR? would be there a 'long term support' of any kind for qtopia on FR? Trolltech will further develop, improve and enhance Qtopia. When it comes to Freerunner, they are in charge for their plans and actions regarding software development. Of course there are cooperation with Trolltech engineering, community and some marketing activeties. And we are working on improvements there too. Personally I'm a fan of the Freerunner effort. When I got the opportunity, I've sponsored travels and accommodations for persons who present what can be done with Freerunner and Open Source on phones. Ole Tange was one of the speakers[1] at Open Nordic Mobile in June. He did a really good presentation of the Freerunner project and opportunities with free software on phones. 1. http://conference.ez.no/eng/Open-Nordic-Conference-2008/Program We have shown the prover of Qtopia with Neo 1973 since Open Source in Mobile September 2007. We also got a demo called Qt Everywhere with a touch screen program launcher using PictureFlow[2]. We are running that on Neo at all our trade shows and some of the free software events: 2. http://qt-apps.org/content/show.php/PictureFlow?content=75348 Several people are working on the program for Mobile Developer Days 2008 (MDD) in Berlin 10-14 September (the conference will be from Sept 10-12, the weekend Sept 12-14 will be a code camp). Last year a couple of OpenEmbedded/Freerunner developers participated at MDD in Denmark. We hope that more can join this year in Berlin. I know more people will join from Nokia this year. 3. http://mobiledevices.kom.aau.dk/team_and_organization/events/mobile_developer_days_2008/ This was maybe not a short answer, but it shows that we are committed and really pleased with the progress of Freerunner and the use of Qtopia. The question now is when and how to organise our round table trip to Australia :) Best regards Knut Yrvin I very much appreciate the work Trolltech/Nokia have put in to the Qtopia release and the support which they have shown for the Freerunner project and open-source mobile in general - thank you, I always enjoy reading your posts on the mailing lists. I have a couple of questions - I read somewhere on the Openmoko wiki that (to paraphrase) enough of the Qtopia release is open-source that you can run it on the Freerunner without the proprietary components. Qtopia is 99.8% completely open source. Only some proprietary DRM components are not available. But who wants DRM anyway? I know Qt has gradually migrated to open licenses over the course of history, It was not really gradual at all. Qt has been GPL'd since Qt 2.2. but what is the current licensing status of the Freerunner Qtopia release? GPL. How much is open-source and how much is proprietary? Qtopia on the Neo is completely GPL. And if I can finish with a horribly vague question, how much of the open-source component of Qtopia is contributed back to the Openmoko project in a usable fashion (i.e. do the open-source components rely on a proprietary component None whatsoever. [or Qtopia-specific feature such as writing directly to framebuffer] to work and therefore are only open-source in the context of Qtopia development, or are they totally portable to ASU/FSO with little or no modification?) Yes. :) -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, Trolltech, a Nokia company ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org
Re: Trolltech/Nokia and QTopia on FR [...]
How much is open-source and how much is proprietary? Qtopia on the Neo is completely GPL. And if I can finish with a horribly vague question, how much of the open-source component of Qtopia is contributed back to the Openmoko project in a usable fashion (i.e. do the open-source components rely on a proprietary component None whatsoever. [or Qtopia-specific feature such as writing directly to framebuffer] to work and therefore are only open-source in the context of Qtopia development, or are they totally portable to ASU/FSO with little or no modification?) Yes. :) Excellent. Until this constant bickering ceases on the mailing lists I will be using and developing for the Qtopia platform which so far seems to be setting the pace as far as usable software platforms are concerned. For those who aren't aware, there is a very good Qtopia SDK especially for the Neo architecture available from the Qtopia website. Many thanks, Aaron ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Trolltech/Nokia and QTopia on FR [...]
For those who aren't aware, there is a very good Qtopia SDK especially for the Neo architecture available from the Qtopia website. but no eclipse plugin so far. it was huge relief to get a plugin for qt finally, i am not sure i am willing to go through it again. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Trolltech/Nokia and QTopia on FR [...]
Hi Yaroslav and all the good contributors to Freerunner, I got a short answer on your second question :) On Tuesday 29. July 2008, Yaroslav Halchenko wrote: another question (sorry if I missed answer in some of the threads) -- I wonder if you are the only person dedicated by Trolltech (or Nokia) to work on qtopia for openmoko? Holger Freyther was working on supporting Qtopia on OpenEmbedded paid by Trolltech for almost half a year, also benefiting the Freerunner effort. He is now contributing through OpenMoko, and I think he's doing a good job. We will increase our effort supporting free software. That will be expressed in actions instead of words. I'm planning to invite some of the heavy contributors using Qt in Freerunner to a round table session in Brisbane Australia. There are several things on the agenda, but it boils down to what Trolltech can improve. The only reason I as a community manger has not been faster, is all the work with the Nokia acquisition planning. When you include my usual travelling to free software events, there has been no time left to cover more bases. It is just interesting ;-) also it would be great if you could summarize in few words (if you feel like it) what are the future directions you and your team are going to accomplish for qtopia on FR? would be there a 'long term support' of any kind for qtopia on FR? Trolltech will further develop, improve and enhance Qtopia. When it comes to Freerunner, they are in charge for their plans and actions regarding software development. Of course there are cooperation with Trolltech engineering, community and some marketing activeties. And we are working on improvements there too. Personally I'm a fan of the Freerunner effort. When I got the opportunity, I've sponsored travels and accommodations for persons who present what can be done with Freerunner and Open Source on phones. Ole Tange was one of the speakers[1] at Open Nordic Mobile in June. He did a really good presentation of the Freerunner project and opportunities with free software on phones. 1. http://conference.ez.no/eng/Open-Nordic-Conference-2008/Program We have shown the prover of Qtopia with Neo 1973 since Open Source in Mobile September 2007. We also got a demo called Qt Everywhere with a touch screen program launcher using PictureFlow[2]. We are running that on Neo at all our trade shows and some of the free software events: 2. http://qt-apps.org/content/show.php/PictureFlow?content=75348 Several people are working on the program for Mobile Developer Days 2008 (MDD) in Berlin 10-14 September (the conference will be from Sept 10-12, the weekend Sept 12-14 will be a code camp). Last year a couple of OpenEmbedded/Freerunner developers participated at MDD in Denmark. We hope that more can join this year in Berlin. I know more people will join from Nokia this year. 3. http://mobiledevices.kom.aau.dk/team_and_organization/events/mobile_developer_days_2008/ This was maybe not a short answer, but it shows that we are committed and really pleased with the progress of Freerunner and the use of Qtopia. The question now is when and how to organise our round table trip to Australia :) Best regards Knut Yrvin -- Community Manager / Qt and Qtopia Trolltech, a Nokia Company cell: + 47 934 79 561, phone: +47 21 60 27 58 http://www.trolltech.com/products/qt ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Trolltech/Nokia and QTopia on FR (and qtopia desktop) questions (to Lorn I guess ;-))
Questions are pretty much to Lorn, I thought to give qtopia another try on my FR but immediately thought that it would be great to have qtopia desktop to sync things up, but iirc it was removed from the website download due to clarification of licensing. Do you have an idea if it would be made available again to public any time soon? another question (sorry if I missed answer in some of the threads) -- I wonder if you are the only person dedicated by Trolltech (or Nokia) to work on qtopia for openmoko? It is just interesting ;-) also it would be great if you could summarize in few words (if you feel like it) what are the future directions you and your team are going to accomplish for qtopia on FR? would be there a 'long term support' of any kind for qtopia on FR? Thank you in advance for the clarifications! -- Yaroslav Halchenko Research Assistant, Psychology Department, Rutgers-Newark Student Ph.D. @ CS Dept. NJIT Office: (973) 353-5440x263 | FWD: 82823 | Fax: (973) 353-1171 101 Warren Str, Smith Hall, Rm 4-105, Newark NJ 07102 WWW: http://www.linkedin.com/in/yarik ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
