Re: Unofficial poll: Do you want 3G in the proposed successor, GTA 03?
On 4/16/08, Justyn Butler [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 15/04/2008, Carlo E. Prelz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: QWERTY keyboards and appropriate cases are, I believe, produced already, and can be subcontracted. There is no surprise in a QWERTY keyboard. There was also FIC's plan to produce *a number* of devices, based on the hardware that is currently being finalized. I hope that one of them will be a device with a real keyboard, and I think it appropriate for me to show that there is support for such a device. It would be great to see the next generation of Openmoko hardware fork into two devices to help satisfy the more opposing types of requirements from the community. One could perhaps be as small as possible, and lower cost. The other might go for extra features like a keyboard, camera, two sim cards etc. I assume they don't want to redesign the whole layout. I understood that implementing dual sim support would be too much work, because it is not as trivial as I thought. A keypad would result in a lot of case design issues. I think camera + 3G would be doable and I would be happy with that. And maybe also an IR transmitter (so we can use it as an remote control) and other stuff like a thermistor would be easy to implement. I will add this to my neo when I get it:) -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: URL:http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Unofficial poll: Do you want 3G in the proposed successor, GTA 03?
Well, it would mean that the casing changes significantly. That means lots of work and cost so it's not a trivial change. I don't think it's worth doing this (or even reasonably possible in time) before the next hardware revision. Ortwin On 4/15/08, Carlo E. Prelz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Subject: Re: Unofficial poll: Do you want 3G in the proposed successor, GTA 03? Date: Mon 14 Apr 08 08:55:41PM -0500 Quoting Jae Stutzman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): I vote for current GTA02 features plus 3G and USB2.0! I warmly suggest that FIC produce a GTA02.2 - same hardware, but with a QWERTY keyboard... Form-factor similar to nokia e61. This should not require such a long and difficult development process. Carlo -- * Se la Strada e la sua Virtu' non fossero state messe da parte, * K * Carlo E. Prelz - [EMAIL PROTECTED] che bisogno ci sarebbe * di parlare tanto di amore e di rettitudine? (Chuang-Tzu) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Unofficial poll: Do you want 3G in the proposed successor, GTA 03?
Subject: Re: Unofficial poll: Do you want 3G in the proposed successor, GTA 03? Date: Tue 15 Apr 08 05:09:32PM +0200 Quoting Ortwin Regel ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Well, it would mean that the casing changes significantly. That means lots of work and cost so it's not a trivial change. I don't think it's worth doing this (or even reasonably possible in time) before the next hardware revision. From what I understand, changing important elements of the hardware is what absorbs the largest amount of time and energy. I believe that adding 3G cannot take place without changing at least the cell radio, and possibly a lot more. Adapting to other cases is certainly not trivial, but the possibility to keep most of the electronic circuit equal would allow FIC to avoid redesign, much of testing, and most certification hassles. You feed the same circuit into the electronics CAD program, with a different shape for the PC board. As I am saying, not trivial, but I believe easier than changing an important element as the cell radio QWERTY keyboards and appropriate cases are, I believe, produced already, and can be subcontracted. There is no surprise in a QWERTY keyboard. There was also FIC's plan to produce *a number* of devices, based on the hardware that is currently being finalized. I hope that one of them will be a device with a real keyboard, and I think it appropriate for me to show that there is support for such a device. Carlo -- * Se la Strada e la sua Virtu' non fossero state messe da parte, * K * Carlo E. Prelz - [EMAIL PROTECTED] che bisogno ci sarebbe * di parlare tanto di amore e di rettitudine? (Chuang-Tzu) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Unofficial poll: Do you want 3G in the proposed successor, GTA 03?
On 15/04/2008, Carlo E. Prelz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: QWERTY keyboards and appropriate cases are, I believe, produced already, and can be subcontracted. There is no surprise in a QWERTY keyboard. There was also FIC's plan to produce *a number* of devices, based on the hardware that is currently being finalized. I hope that one of them will be a device with a real keyboard, and I think it appropriate for me to show that there is support for such a device. It would be great to see the next generation of Openmoko hardware fork into two devices to help satisfy the more opposing types of requirements from the community. One could perhaps be as small as possible, and lower cost. The other might go for extra features like a keyboard, camera, two sim cards etc. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Unofficial poll: Do you want 3G in the proposed successor, GTA 03?
I vote for current GTA02 features plus 3G and USB2.0! Jae ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Unofficial poll: Do you want 3G in the proposed successor, GTA 03?
On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 3:55 AM, Jae Stutzman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I vote for current GTA02 features plus 3G and USB2.0! I agree. I also vote for dual sim:) It is really practical. I hate to have two phones to carry around. -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: URL:http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Unofficial poll: Do you want 3G in the proposed successor, GTA 03?
I agree on usb 2.0 and 3G, I don't care about the two sims... On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 4:28 AM, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 3:55 AM, Jae Stutzman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I vote for current GTA02 features plus 3G and USB2.0! I agree. I also vote for dual sim:) It is really practical. I hate to have two phones to carry around. -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: URL:http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
GTA02 USB Power (WAS: Re: Unofficial poll: Do you want 3G in the proposed successor, GTA 03?)
Hmm, thats very cool indeed, although [1] and the original announcement of it do say 100ma. I guess I'll go out and edit them Cheers, Federico [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 11:54 AM, Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Don't you mean 100ma, or has the converter been upgraded? In any case | running a device that draws 500ma off a 1200mah battery... I never heard about a 100mA proposal: the converter in GTA02 is not only 500mA-capable but is configured for 500mA limit with a 14K resistor on the SET pin. http://www.analogictech.com/products/ProductDisplay.aspx?ProductID=192 http://www.analogictech.com/products/digitalfiles/AAT1275.pdf For current consumption, it will be pretty variable on that device. If you transmit it will do its worst, if it receives it might not be too bad at all. Transmit will be pretty low duty cycle in normal use. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkf/NWgACgkQOjLpvpq7dMrDCACeKBv2HEPt4tEvysGf1IFdcFOa RgUAoIaQI6ftXCR5uMtmfBsgKiF34Mgj =syZb -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Unofficial poll: Do you want 3G in the proposed successor, GTA 03?
Don't you mean 100ma, or has the converter been upgraded? In any case running a device that draws 500ma off a 1200mah battery... Cheers, Federico -- Mail sent from a SE P990 Reply Header Subject:Re: Unofficial poll: Do you want 3G in the proposed successor, GTA03? Author: Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 11th April 2008 9:33 am -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Anyways, I guess that for GTA02 you could always get one of those usb-3g | modems and use it. The problem will probably be the usual where to get | linux drivers for something like that. The one I got is well supported under Linux, it presents as two ttyUSB and one Mass Storage class device. wvdial with a canned config just worked on it. http://www.three.co.uk/personal/mobiles_/discover.omp?CID=1193835363623 In fact AFAIK this device should work OK on a GTA02 in host mode, if it doesn't exceed the 500mA limit on there. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkf/L1cACgkQOjLpvpq7dMqOhQCghWREGS2rXOlHhEJbQfmldLx0 B2cAnj+1xxFVP1082Ndug5hIWaS5QpUt =zI1/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Unofficial poll: Do you want 3G in the proposed successor, GTA 03?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Don't you mean 100ma, or has the converter been upgraded? In any case | running a device that draws 500ma off a 1200mah battery... I never heard about a 100mA proposal: the converter in GTA02 is not only 500mA-capable but is configured for 500mA limit with a 14K resistor on the SET pin. http://www.analogictech.com/products/ProductDisplay.aspx?ProductID=192 http://www.analogictech.com/products/digitalfiles/AAT1275.pdf For current consumption, it will be pretty variable on that device. If you transmit it will do its worst, if it receives it might not be too bad at all. Transmit will be pretty low duty cycle in normal use. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkf/NWgACgkQOjLpvpq7dMrDCACeKBv2HEPt4tEvysGf1IFdcFOa RgUAoIaQI6ftXCR5uMtmfBsgKiF34Mgj =syZb -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
