Re: WIKI is in read-only mode?
Hi Radek and everybody, But one day your GTA02 will stop working - it might fall on the floor or whatever. GTA04 is only replacement - that's why it's important to support GTA04 - either by donation or buying the device. how it connected with the subject? This is not a reason to move the wiki or close it. This is an open source project, the marketing stereotypes (that the new generation hardware is the better replacement for old one) just not applicable. Just because that targeted to stimulate consumer market for sales, but not to give ability to people to create whatever they want. The potential of the hardware is not equal to the formal functionality of device. I plan to use the GTA02 as a core for robotic system, for example. Someone else maybe create something else with it (whatever it could be). It's logical to keep all data in one well know habitual knowledge base. And it's logical to keep it open for new supplements. Maybe i am wrong but openmoko as company is for years dead and nobody of the old admins is willing to spend much time on maintaining the infrastructure. I guess the number of spammers is now 1000x higher the number of contributors, that's why it's readonly. And it's no wonder that GTA04 has separate wiki because of these reasons. I'm as a user of wiki just don't care whether it contains some spam or not. I have a will to clean it if I found it, or doesn't if I'm lazy (or whatever). This is totally not a point. Honestly I don't understand the reason to close the access for users (who are main audience of the recourse) just to avoid the spam. It's ridiculous. Dmitry ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: WIKI is in read-only mode?
I wrote to admin (on the address mentioned here http://admin-trac.openmoko.org/trac), will see for feedback. Current admin actually shouldn't do anything. Just delegate rights to somebody else. I'm ready to participate in this process to, by the way. On 16/03/13 15:38, Paul Wise wrote: On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 11:25 PM, Radek Polak wrote: Maybe i am wrong but openmoko as company is for years dead and nobody of the old admins is willing to spend much time on maintaining the infrastructure. There are other folks willing to maintain the infrastructure (such as me), but it seems the current admins don't have time to do the cleanup of stuff that is needed before they can add new admins who never worked for OpenMoko Inc. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: WIKI is in read-only mode?
On Sunday, March 17, 2013 03:14:32 PM Dmitry Shalnoff wrote: But one day your GTA02 will stop working - it might fall on the floor or whatever. GTA04 is only replacement - that's why it's important to support GTA04 - either by donation or buying the device. how it connected with the subject? This is not a reason to move the wiki or close it. This is an open source project, the marketing stereotypes (that the new generation hardware is the better replacement for old one) just not applicable. My point was that if there is no living replacement project, openmoko will die. The number of users/devs will convert to 0. Sooner or later your device will stop working and only replacement will be android/windows phone/iPhone. Just because that targeted to stimulate consumer market for sales, but not to give ability to people to create whatever they want. I dont like buying new phone every year. But Freerunner HW is badly flawed in a few ways (e.g. Glamo) and this justified buying GTA04 for me. I'm as a user of wiki just don't care whether it contains some spam or not. I do - there is a lot of useful information and i dont like that some spam machined deletes it. Regards Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: WIKI is in read-only mode?
On Sun, 17 Mar 2013 14:14:32 + Dmitry Shalnoff shaln...@gmail.com wrote: Honestly I don't understand the reason to close the access for users (who are main audience of the recourse) just to avoid the spam. It's ridiculous. I do see the point, but usually a wiki has an active maintainer who will permit new persons to have editing rights, on request. That is the current difficulty, that no-one has been issued new editing rights, It may be necessary to duplicate the old wiki on a new address. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: WIKI is in read-only mode?
On Friday, March 15, 2013 03:01:37 PM Dmitry Shalnoff wrote: And another theme I was alerted by: this is a splitting of wiki for GTA02 and GTA04. I honestly don't really like that idea not even because I still use GTA02 and have no plans to reject it just because more powerful device is on the market, but also because a I'm not really love idea of buying new gadget just because it has more powerful processor. I love idea of keeping old hardware living for maximum long time, for reusing it and for improvement of functionality in the frames of given power. And I believe that a lot of people support my point of view. But one day your GTA02 will stop working - it might fall on the floor or whatever. GTA04 is only replacement - that's why it's important to support GTA04 - either by donation or buying the device. Maybe i am wrong but openmoko as company is for years dead and nobody of the old admins is willing to spend much time on maintaining the infrastructure. I guess the number of spammers is now 1000x higher the number of contributors, that's why it's readonly. And it's no wonder that GTA04 has separate wiki because of these reasons. Regards Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: WIKI is in read-only mode?
On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 11:25 PM, Radek Polak wrote: Maybe i am wrong but openmoko as company is for years dead and nobody of the old admins is willing to spend much time on maintaining the infrastructure. There are other folks willing to maintain the infrastructure (such as me), but it seems the current admins don't have time to do the cleanup of stuff that is needed before they can add new admins who never worked for OpenMoko Inc. -- bye, pabs http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:PaulWise ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
New GTA02s (was WIKI is in read-only mode?)
Radek Polak pson...@seznam.cz wrote: But one day your GTA02 will stop working - it might fall on the floor or whatever. GTA04 is only replacement - Although it may be the only available replacement at the present moment, it shouldn't remain that way for long. We, the FreeCalypso community (see below), need to make an effort to produce a new GTA02-like phone, Calypso-based. The first naive thought would be to contract with some pirate manufacturing company to make verbatim unauthorized clones of the GTA02, by reverse-engineering the GTA02 PCB and copying it verbatim, layer for layer, trace for trace, via for via. But it probably wouldn't be the wisest choice in technical terms, even if all of the components were still readily available (which they aren't) - the GTA02 board includes some really stupid design choices which I would want to get rid of if we're going to the trouble of building new boards - the Glamo being first and foremost. Because the single most important feature I seek to retain from the GTA02 is the Calypso, we will probably still need to send a dead GTA02 PCB to a pirate manufacturing / reverse eng shop to recover the PCB layout withheld by Closedmoko-Inc. (We already have the schematics for the Calypso block, TI's Leonardo reference design, but the corresponding PCB layout is currently missing.) As for the rest of the GTA02 board, i.e., the AP realm, I would want to simplify it quite a bit - take the Glamo, Wifi and BT out, connect the audio directly to the Iota (Calypso's analog part) so that nothing on the AP side needs to remain powered during a long voice call, and if the original Samsung AP is no longer available (which is probably the case), replace it with whatever other AP we can find that does the minimal functionality we need using the least amount of battery power. The Calypso chips themselves can still be obtained on the grey market. And once that supply runs out, we'll need to send a Spetsnaz unit into whatever TI facility has the old IC fabrication masks, seize those, and take them to some Chinese fab to restart the production of those chips. that's why it's important to support GTA04 - either by donation or buying the device. Not being Calypso-based, the GTA04 is a massive downgrade from the GTA02, and can't really be seen as a replacement except a very feeble one. Therefore, anyone who wishes his/her phone to be a *phone*, rather than a PDA or whatever, who sees the GSM processor as the most important part of the phone, rather than some unimportant modem, and for whom the concept of a Free Phone means running fully source-enabled firmware on the actual phone (GSM baseband) processor, should NOT waste his/her money on a GTA04 downgrade, and should instead donate to the FreeCalypso project - the latter will need to raise funds to pay for the professional pirate-manuf reverse engineering of the GTA02 PCB, to buy Calypso chips on the grey market, and to build the actual new Calypso phones. The firmware will be the user's choice of FreeCalypso or OsmocomBB. I choose the former, but others can use whatever they like. Maybe i am wrong but openmoko as company is for years dead and nobody of the old admins is willing to spend much time on maintaining the infrastructure. I guess the number of spammers is now 1000x higher the number of contributors, that's why it's readonly. And it's no wonder that GTA04 has separate wiki because of these reasons. Dr. HNS of Golden Delicious has been saying for quite a while now that with Openmoko being effectively dead, the Openmoko community is in need of a new successor/replacement, and that successor/replacement is OpenPhoenux. I agree with the first part, but not the second. There is not one but TWO camps seeking to continue the work of Openmoko in different directions: one is OpenPhoenux, the other is FreeCalypso. In order to become a bona fide new community, FreeCalypso needs its own web presence, its own wiki and its own mailing list. I already have a set of physical servers in my own sovereign micronation, all that remains to be done is the software setup - sysadmin stuff. I will post an announcement when the new FreeCalypso community home is up. VLR, SF ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
WIKI is in read-only mode?
Hi list, I just found that I'm not able to write to wiki today. And I see that some time ago there was discussion regarding of possibility to switch it to read-only mode or even move somewhere else. IMHO this is a wrong idea. Wiki is an open platform by its nature. So the volume of spam -- is just a result of that 1. visitors don't clean the spam when they found it 2. there is no capcha or any relevant mechanism to prevent robo-spam posting And another theme I was alerted by: this is a splitting of wiki for GTA02 and GTA04. I honestly don't really like that idea not even because I still use GTA02 and have no plans to reject it just because more powerful device is on the market, but also because a I'm not really love idea of buying new gadget just because it has more powerful processor. I love idea of keeping old hardware living for maximum long time, for reusing it and for improvement of functionality in the frames of given power. And I believe that a lot of people support my point of view. So, please don't archive old wiki and don't make it read-only. This is wrong way IMHO. And the main question. How to get access to the wiki eventually? thank you in advance, Dmitry ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: WIKI is in read-only mode?
I fully agree. I will eventually turn my GTA02 into a GTA04 but my wife still has here GTA02. I think it would be good to have a GTAXX wiki with common stuff and tags for stuff just applying to GTA02 or GTA04 robin ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
