Re: Will Openmoko ever see the light of day? Was Re: Concern for usability and ergonomics
On Thursday 14 June 2007 23:45:29 Jonathon Suggs wrote: Well as far as we know (no *official* word) the models (GTA-01) that you have actually are vaporware as far as we are concerned since they are not going to be mass producing them in favor of rolling out the GTA-02's. Which assuming GTA-02 doesn't take much longer, would be a bad thing why? pgp2FXhrprjMx.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Will Openmoko ever see the light of day? Was Re: Concern for usability and ergonomics
That is very exciting news. I look forward to more from Sean sortly. How did you find that article? On 6/15/07, Thomas Gstädtner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some (pretty good) news: http://gnumonks.org/~laforge/weblog/2007/06/15/#20070615-gta01-factory-trip 2007/6/15, Gabriel Ambuehl [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Thursday 14 June 2007 23:45:29 Jonathon Suggs wrote: Well as far as we know (no *official* word) the models (GTA-01) that you have actually are vaporware as far as we are concerned since they are not going to be mass producing them in favor of rolling out the GTA-02's. Which assuming GTA-02 doesn't take much longer, would be a bad thing why? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Will Openmoko ever see the light of day? Was Re: Concern for usability and ergonomics
Some (pretty good) news: http://gnumonks.org/~laforge/weblog/2007/06/15/#20070615-gta01-factory-trip 2007/6/15, Gabriel Ambuehl [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Thursday 14 June 2007 23:45:29 Jonathon Suggs wrote: Well as far as we know (no *official* word) the models (GTA-01) that you have actually are vaporware as far as we are concerned since they are not going to be mass producing them in favor of rolling out the GTA-02's. Which assuming GTA-02 doesn't take much longer, would be a bad thing why? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Will Openmoko ever see the light of day? Was Re: Concern for usability and ergonomics
Well, if that is correct, I think I'll win an award for biggest foot in mouth. Still, 492 + (500 * (1 - defect%)) isn't a very large number. I guess only time will tell. mathew davis wrote: That is very exciting news. I look forward to more from Sean sortly. How did you find that article? On 6/15/07, Thomas Gstädtner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some (pretty good) news: http://gnumonks.org/~laforge/weblog/2007/06/15/#20070615-gta01-factory-trip 2007/6/15, Gabriel Ambuehl [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Thursday 14 June 2007 23:45:29 Jonathon Suggs wrote: Well as far as we know (no *official* word) the models (GTA-01) that you have actually are vaporware as far as we are concerned since they are not going to be mass producing them in favor of rolling out the GTA-02's. Which assuming GTA-02 doesn't take much longer, would be a bad thing why? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Will Openmoko ever see the light of day? Was Re: Concern for usability and ergonomics
On Wednesday 13 June 2007 16:26, Matthew S. Hamrick wrote: Gibson Musical Instruments, where we were designing what was effectively a custom PDA (don't ask.) There were several delays, And wait, and wait. And it never shows up. Then you get back on the phone and eventually you find another parts distributor. Since then, I've started taking delivery dates with a pretty large grain of salt. I have a story about an embedded automation device where in the end heavily modded Buffalo and Linksys wireless routers were used. Not bc they were all that well suited for the task, but because they were pretty available and had most of the parts already on them. People do funny things to meet deadlines :) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Will Openmoko ever see the light of day? Was Re: Concern for usability and ergonomics
Attila Csipa wrote: On Wednesday 13 June 2007 16:26, Matthew S. Hamrick wrote: Gibson Musical Instruments, where we were designing what was effectively a custom PDA (don't ask.) guitar tuner? There were several delays, And wait, and wait. And it never shows up. Then you get back on the phone and eventually you find another parts distributor. Since then, I've started taking delivery dates with a pretty large grain of salt. I have a story about an embedded automation device where in the end heavily modded Buffalo and Linksys wireless routers were used. Not bc they were all that well suited for the task, but because they were pretty available and had most of the parts already on them. People do funny things to meet deadlines :) parts on them... and the software is mostly done too! This is the only worrisome thing to me. Nobody has seen the software. jim ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Thursday 14 June 2007 13:21:36 Jim Thompson wrote: parts on them... and the software is mostly done too! This is the only worrisome thing to me. Nobody has seen the software. Uhm the SVN is public and people actively run the software in qemu? pgpcczpM28B9b.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Will Openmoko ever see the light of day? Was Re: Concern for usability and ergonomics
On Wednesday 13 June 2007 16:26, Matthew S. Hamrick wrote: Gibson Musical Instruments, where we were designing what was effectively a custom PDA (don't ask.) guitar tuner? i have to admit, this caught my eye too and set me wondering. i know you said don't ask, butwhat? i'm intrigued ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Will Openmoko ever see the light of day? Was Re: Concern for usability and ergonomics
On 6/13/07, Duncan Hudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: denis wrote: That is something I would like to know as well. The statement ist not really clear and seems to be very misterious. I don't know. In all honesty, has there ever been a really clear statement about this device? I'm beginning to feel (as was eluded to in others' posts months ago) that this is vaporware, and that we are just being strung along. Flame me all you want, but until I have something in my hot little hand how can I possibly be led to believe anything else at this point? I understand your concern. I have at the moment 2 Neo1973 pre-production handsets in my hand. So if this is vaporware they are *really* going the extra mile to make it look convincing. Is there anything I can do to put your mind at ease? Will photos of opening it help, so you can see it really is not just a bunch of plastic? /Ole ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Will Openmoko ever see the light of day? Was Re: Concern for usability and ergonomics
Well as far as we know (no *official* word) the models (GTA-01) that you have actually are vaporware as far as we are concerned since they are not going to be mass producing them in favor of rolling out the GTA-02's. Ole Tange wrote: I understand your concern. I have at the moment 2 Neo1973 pre-production handsets in my hand. So if this is vaporware they are *really* going the extra mile to make it look convincing. Is there anything I can do to put your mind at ease? Will photos of opening it help, so you can see it really is not just a bunch of plastic? /Ole ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Will Openmoko ever see the light of day? Was Re: Concern for usability and ergonomics
I was the manager of software architecture for Gibson Audio. And among other things, was responsible for overseeing the software development for the Wurlitzer Digital Jukebox. Despite winning awards at CES as an innovative new product, management couldn't find the sweet spot in terms of manufacturing cost, market size and retail price. The last I heard, the Wurli was put out to pasture last year, so we'll never see it on store shelves. Gibson has taken down the Gibson Audio site, but there are still a few reviews from online magazines and the like: http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=2011 http://www.stuffmagazine.com/gear/product.aspx?id=184 http://www.shows.soundstagelive.com/shows/avtour2005/sep09b/gibson_1.jpg http://www.shows.soundstagelive.com/shows/avtour2005/sep09b/gibson_2.jpg The last link is a picture of the custom remote control we developed for the device. If you look at the previous pictures, it might seem that there's an integrated LCD on the main unit. But.. that's not the case... it's just where the remote docks. For the benefit of list members, I'll share a few words of wisdom about product design. 1. For the purposes of building a custom mobile application, WinCE is not a completely bad operating system; but the tools really suck. 2. Get your WiFi chip vendors to prove they actually have drivers for your operating system and CPU. Better yet, get the source code for the drivers! 3. It takes three times as long if you outsource your software development to Elbonia. 4. If you outsource your software development, don't outsource your QA. In fact, doing Test First or Test Driven Development is a really, really good idea. This way you have an unequivocal tool to demonstrate you're getting what you ask for. 5. Consider DECT instead of WiFi. It doesn't have the same bandwidth, but power consumption and interference robustness seems to be a little better, and... 6. When you test your WiFi enabled device, ensure there's a microwave oven near where you're testing. (i.e. - don't forget to test your device in something approaching real-world conditions.) -Cheers -Matt H. On Jun 14, 2007, at 1:10 PM, Robin Paulson wrote: On Wednesday 13 June 2007 16:26, Matthew S. Hamrick wrote: Gibson Musical Instruments, where we were designing what was effectively a custom PDA (don't ask.) guitar tuner? i have to admit, this caught my eye too and set me wondering. i know you said don't ask, butwhat? i'm intrigued ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Matthew S. Hamrick * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * http://hbmobile.org/users/msh/ 0xEAF9791E B075 933B B620 1374 4202 8A6E 8A9B 6141 EAF9 791E ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Will Openmoko ever see the light of day? Was Re: Concern for usability and ergonomics
I understand your concern. I have at the moment 2 Neo1973 pre-production handsets in my hand. So if this is vaporware they are *really* going the extra mile to make it look convincing. Is there anything I can do to put your mind at ease? Will photos of opening it help, so you can see it really is not just a bunch of plastic? Call him from one of the handsets :-) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Will Openmoko ever see the light of day? Was Re: Concern for usability and ergonomics
On Wed, 2007-06-13 at 09:26 -0400, Duncan Hudson wrote: In all honesty, has there ever been a really clear statement about this device? I'm beginning to feel (as was eluded to in others' posts months ago) that this is vaporware, and that we are just being strung along. Flame me all you want, but until I have something in my hot little hand how can I possibly be led to believe anything else at this point? Dunc Hi Dunc, Maybe this will change your mind, http://rene.rebe.name/photos/?p=/Computex/2007/img_2208.jpg Sure, the neo may get delayed, but it will definitely see the light of the day. I am basing my assertions on the fact, that actual devices have been created and circulated among people. I guess its pretty normal for things to get delayes. So fear not :D Just my 2 cents. Reggies Sudharshan S ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Will Openmoko ever see the light of day? Was Re: Concern for usability and ergonomics
Duncan... Let me just add to what Sudharshan said... There is a stunning amount of variability in the mobile device supply chain. I used to work for Gibson Musical Instruments, where we were designing what was effectively a custom PDA (don't ask.) There were several delays, including about 9 months where we were waiting for parts to arrive at the factory. You get on the phone and you send over a PO number and you get a contract for delivery of a certain part and then you wait. And wait, and wait. And it never shows up. Then you get back on the phone and eventually you find another parts distributor. Since then, I've started taking delivery dates with a pretty large grain of salt. BTW, I've seen prototypes of the Neo 1973, and it has a lot of parts under the hood. If you guess that one in twenty parts could be problematical, there's plenty of opportunity for delay. At some point I'll have to tell you my story about the Nokia 770 I eventually got. -Cheers -Matt H. On Jun 13, 2007, at 6:26 AM, Duncan Hudson wrote: denis wrote: That is something I would like to know as well. The statement ist not really clear and seems to be very misterious. I don't know. In all honesty, has there ever been a really clear statement about this device? I'm beginning to feel (as was eluded to in others' posts months ago) that this is vaporware, and that we are just being strung along.Flame me all you want, but until I have something in my hot little hand how can I possibly be led to believe anything else at this point? Dunc ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
