Re: debian and xfce?

[Sascha Wessel]

Hi,

On Tue, Dec 02, 2008 at 08:20:58PM +0100, Pander wrote:
> What are the window managers to have been reported to work on OpenMoko
> so far:
> - enlightenment
> - icewm
> - xfce
  - fvwm :)

Greetings,
Sascha


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Re: debian and xfce?

[Joachim Breitner]

Hi,

Am Mittwoch, den 03.12.2008, 00:36 + schrieb Christopher J. White:
> On Tue, 2008-12-02 at 21:37 +, Joachim Breitner wrote:
> 
> > Someone willing to do some cleanup and general QA on
> > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian ?
> 
> I can take a crack at this, since I just recently went through the pain
> of an install.

Thanks!

>  What are your thoughts about duplication of effort
> between the openmoko.org page and the debian.org page?  There's some
> duplicate copy now, but there is unique and valuable information both
> pages.

I’d prefer if the debian.org wiki contains only concise install
information and maybe important warning. Unrelated or general stuff
(e.g. how to make a backup) ought to be moved out to a subpage or the
openmoko wiki IMHO and only linked.

The openmoko wiki page seems (and that’s ok) more a place for discussion
and further (inofficial, or risky) hacks related to Debian. I think this
is a useful separation. The openmoko wiki page needs to be cleaned up
thoroughly, it seem, as it is large, confusing and has some outdated
information.

TIA,
Joachim

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Re: debian and xfce?

[Minh Ha Duong]

Le mercredi 03 décembre 2008, Christopher J. White a écrit :
> On Tue, 2008-12-02 at 21:37 +, Joachim Breitner wrote:
> > Someone willing to do some cleanup and general QA on
> > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian ?
>
> I can take a crack at this, since I just recently went through the pain
> of an install.  What are your thoughts about duplication of effort
> between the openmoko.org page and the debian.org page?  There's some
> duplicate copy now, but there is unique and valuable information both
> pages.

 I would prefer everything on Debian's wiki, and just a link in the 
wiki.openmoko.org . Simplest way to avoid duplication.

Minh

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Re: debian and xfce?

[Christopher J. White]

On Tue, 2008-12-02 at 21:37 +, Joachim Breitner wrote:

> Someone willing to do some cleanup and general QA on
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian ?

I can take a crack at this, since I just recently went through the pain
of an install.  What are your thoughts about duplication of effort
between the openmoko.org page and the debian.org page?  There's some
duplicate copy now, but there is unique and valuable information both
pages.

...cj



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Re: debian and xfce?

[Joachim Breitner]

Hi,

Am Dienstag, den 02.12.2008, 20:20 +0100 schrieb Pander:
> What are the window managers to have been reported to work on OpenMoko
> so far:
> - enlightenment
> - icewm
> - xfce
> - ...

xmonad (but I didn’t try to compile my own configuration back then):
http://www.joachim-breitner.de/blog/archives/300-Xmonad-on-my-mobile-phone.html

in general, any should work (if not, it’s a bug), but of course not all
make sense.

Greetings,
Joachim
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Re: debian and xfce?

[Joachim Breitner]

Hi,

Am Dienstag, den 02.12.2008, 18:50 +0100 schrieb Vinzenz Hersche:
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> hello there,
> 
> i want to try a xfce with debian and look into the manual to do this,
> but i've a problem. the file
> 
> /etc/init.d/zhone-session
> doesn't exist. 

the Wiki is slightly outdated. nodm is a generic replacement for
zhone-session, which uses the standard Xsession way of finding out what
to start.

I suggest you modify /root/xsession to start xfce instead of matchbox.

Someone willing to do some cleanup and general QA on
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian ?

Greetings,
Joachim


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Re: debian and xfce?

[Pander]

What are the window managers to have been reported to work on OpenMoko
so far:
- enlightenment
- icewm
- xfce
- ...

Jelle De Loecker wrote:
> Op dinsdag 02-12-2008 om 19:06 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef arne anka:
>>> /etc/init.d/zhone-session
>>> doesn't exist.
>> zhone-session is dead.
>> what is used instead is nodm, which is installed by default (even at your  
>> fr according to the ls).
>>
>>> my link: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian#XFCE
>> i think joachim posted a howto a while ago, search the archives for  
>> "nodm". it basically comes down to starting xfce from ~/.xsession.
> 
> Right, I'm using nodm and it works fine.
> I've also added my own user, so I'm not running as root all the time.
> 
> I did that following this bit (Skip the second instruction.)
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian#Running_X_as_normal_user
> 
> Then I only changed the username in /etc/init.d/nodm file (from root to
> skerit)
> 
> Then I created the /home/skerit/.xsession file:
> 
> xfce4-session &
> zhone &
> openmoko-panel-plugin
> 
> And last but not least, I had to add this to the /etc/hosts file:
> 127.0.0.1 localhost debian-gta02
> 
> I'm not using the matchbox window manager, btw. I had more problems with
> it then with xfce4's wm.
> 
> Greetings,
> Jelle De Loecker
> 
> 
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Re: debian and xfce?

[Jelle De Loecker]

Op dinsdag 02-12-2008 om 19:06 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef arne anka:
> > /etc/init.d/zhone-session
> > doesn't exist.
> 
> zhone-session is dead.
> what is used instead is nodm, which is installed by default (even at your  
> fr according to the ls).
> 
> > my link: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian#XFCE
> 
> i think joachim posted a howto a while ago, search the archives for  
> "nodm". it basically comes down to starting xfce from ~/.xsession.

Right, I'm using nodm and it works fine.
I've also added my own user, so I'm not running as root all the time.

I did that following this bit (Skip the second instruction.)
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian#Running_X_as_normal_user

Then I only changed the username in /etc/init.d/nodm file (from root to
skerit)

Then I created the /home/skerit/.xsession file:

xfce4-session &
zhone &
openmoko-panel-plugin

And last but not least, I had to add this to the /etc/hosts file:
127.0.0.1 localhost debian-gta02

I'm not using the matchbox window manager, btw. I had more problems with
it then with xfce4's wm.

Greetings,
Jelle De Loecker



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Re: debian and xfce?

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

Vinzenz Hersche <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> /etc/init.d/zhone-session
> doesn't exist. ls-output:

Have you installed the zhone-session package?

> so, where is the problem? is the article in the openmoko-wiki too much
> old?

http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner is the documentation your
should use.

Also, I don't use zhone-session. I just use normal xdm exactly like on
my PC.




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Re: debian and xfce?

[arne anka]

> /etc/init.d/zhone-session
> doesn't exist.

zhone-session is dead.
what is used instead is nodm, which is installed by default (even at your  
fr according to the ls).

> my link: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian#XFCE

i think joachim posted a howto a while ago, search the archives for  
"nodm". it basically comes down to starting xfce from ~/.xsession.

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debian and xfce?

[Vinzenz Hersche]

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hello there,

i want to try a xfce with debian and look into the manual to do this,
but i've a problem. the file

/etc/init.d/zhone-session
doesn't exist. ls-output:

debian-gta02:~# ls /etc/init.d/
README   checkroot.shhostname.shmountall-bootclean.sh
mtab.sh rcSstop-bootlogd-single  wpa-ifupdown
alsa-utils   dbushwclock.sh mountall.sh   
networking  reboot udev  x11-common
apmd dropbearhwclockfirst.shmountdevsubfs.sh  
nodmrmnologin  udev-mtab xfce
bluetoothfso-frameworkd  ifupdown   mountkernfs.sh
pppd-dnssendsigs   umountfs
bootlogd fso-gpsdifupdown-clean mountnfs-bootclean.sh
procps  single umountnfs.sh
bootmisc.sh  glibc.shkillprocs  mountnfs.sh   
rc  skeleton   umountroot
checkfs.sh   haltmodule-init-tools  mountoverflowtmp  
rc.localstop-bootlogd  urandom
debian-gta02:~#

the file called xfce is build from myself and had just a small, and i
think false, content:

debian-gta02:~# cat /etc/init.d/xfce
PROG_FSO=/usr/bin/startxfce4
debian-gta02:~#

i also used

update-rc.d -f zhone-session remove

which seems to work fine.. but i could do it so much as i want and it
does nothing..
debian-gta02:~# update-rc.d -f zhone-session remove
 Removing any system startup links for /etc/init.d/zhone-session ...
debian-gta02:~# update-rc.d -f zhone-session remove
 Removing any system startup links for /etc/init.d/zhone-session ...
debian-gta02:~#

so, where is the problem? is the article in the openmoko-wiki too much
old?

i'l make it correct, if i know how..

my link: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian#XFCE

hope for help. greets

vince

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