Re: early experince Freerunners w/ ASU load, vs. thousnads of Freeruners
As far as I can tell everything in the article was already mentioned on the list. Nothing new to comment on... Ortwin On 5/29/08, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: steve wrote: Yes mass pro will start soon. There is another batch of a few hundred or so phones being built tomorrow. I'll Know more after tomorrows build. Thanks for the news Steve! I'm waiting for a better ones tomorrow... :P In this Linuxtag report [1] (google translated here [2]) there are not so good news about production :/ Can you share with us something more Steve? Bye [1] http://tinyurl.com/6rs6j2 [2] http://tinyurl.com/643y64 -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: early experince Freerunners w/ ASU load, vs. thousnads of Freeruners
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 3:37 AM, Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Do 29. Mai 2008 schrieb Marco Trevisan (Treviño): In this Linuxtag report [1] (google translated here [2]) there are not so good news about production :/ Can you share with us something more Steve? Bye [1] http://tinyurl.com/6rs6j2 [2] http://tinyurl.com/643y64 -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ I *REALLY* dislike those tinyurl - never give them a try. :-/ nearly as bad as those html-only (dunno from whom) postings i use to ignore. just wanted to let U know Maybe everyone should use TinyURL with preview? Cheers, Federico ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: early experince Freerunners w/ ASU load, vs. thousnads of Freeruners
Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: steve wrote: Yes mass pro will start soon. There is another batch of a few hundred or so phones being built tomorrow. I’ll Know more after tomorrows build. Thanks for the news Steve! I'm waiting for a better ones tomorrow... :P In this Linuxtag report [1] (google translated here [2]) there are not so good news about production :/ Can you share with us something more Steve? Bye [1] http://tinyurl.com/6rs6j2 [2] http://tinyurl.com/643y64 -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: early experince Freerunners w/ ASU load, vs. thousnads of Freeruners
Am Do 29. Mai 2008 schrieb Marco Trevisan (Treviño): In this Linuxtag report [1] (google translated here [2]) there are not so good news about production :/ Can you share with us something more Steve? Bye [1] http://tinyurl.com/6rs6j2 [2] http://tinyurl.com/643y64 -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ I *REALLY* dislike those tinyurl - never give them a try. :-/ nearly as bad as those html-only (dunno from whom) postings i use to ignore. just wanted to let U know /j signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: early experince Freerunners w/ ASU load, vs. thousnads of Freeruners
Actually on the FreeRunner it is impossible to brick it unless you have a debug board, in which case you can unbrick it anyways. On 5/26/08, David Murrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since I'm a software guy, my list of nice to have's are: *Some sort of example workingish software stack to hack on *A documented way of unbricking it if/when I stuff up *Hardware that works I'm not seeing any problems at this stage... Here's how I see this working: Openmoko ships the phones with the old(er) firmware. People get them, and get onto mailing lists. Technically competent users figure how to update them, post instructions. Other people verify them, write them up in easy to use fashion. Someone posts a script, someone else codes it up into a GUI program for win32, downloadable as a msi installer. Parallel to this process will be people hacking away after or during work, generating custom builds, and scratching their personal software itches. Some of this custom work will get picked up by the mainline, and make it into the factory builds. This happens everywhere there is collaboration - we see it with PSPs, DSLites, iPods and a whole bunch of other highly closed, user-modification hostile platforms with no documentation publicly available. The fact that this is an open platform means that the above process is only going to occur faster from the point at which people receive their phones. So with all due respect, relax. I'm not a terribly good developer, and I reckon I'm up for it. Looking at this page: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_openmoko#Actually_flashing_things_into_the_device Suggests that as long as one isn't messing with the uboot partition, its actually pretty hard to properly brick the phone. Cheers, David On Sun, 2008-05-25 at 17:47 -0700, Ron K. Jeffries wrote: Sebastian, I am well aware that we are MANY months away from Freerunner being appropriate choice for an average just a user. But Steve has talked about mass production (starting soon...) which I'd assume implies OpenMoko building a few thousands of Freerunners. I am not asking about the relatively few early experience Freerunners that Steve and Michael have evidently seeded out to a few trusted folks. I may be misguided, but the quality of ASU load does not sound like it's ready to flow out to a few thousand developers, never mind how eager they are. My guess: OpenMoko is gathering feedback from the n=100 (???) early experience Freerunner units, then they knocks down the nastiest bugs, and THEN and only then open the spigot at the factory. If it was me, I would only have built a few hundred so far, but they may well have bigger balls than I do. ;) -rj From: Sebastian Reichel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 22:26:53 +0200 Subject: Re: software load for first mfg run of Freerunner? Is ASU what ships? hi, it was said some days ago in the mailing list, that ASU is not the software which is shipped with the phone. But the first Freerunners, which are shipped are still not for the average user - they are for developers, which are able to update their phones. Am Sonntag, den 25.05.2008, 12:35 -0700 schrieb Ron K. Jeffries: I am NOT asking if mass production has started. I am asking if OpenMoko has frozen a release to load into the microSD cards. It seems to me that the unit can come off the line, and that one of the final steps before packing would be to load the software. Is ASU the* ship[ping s/w load? yes I know people can and will download new s/w. but you'd hope that the Freerunner as shipped would not require an immediate s/w reload. Or maybe I'm being too old skool ??? -- Ron K. Jeffries ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
early experince Freerunners w/ ASU load, vs. thousnads of Freeruners
Sebastian, I am well aware that we are MANY months away from Freerunner being appropriate choice for an average just a user. But Steve has talked about mass production (starting soon...) which I'd assume implies OpenMoko building a few thousands of Freerunners. I am not asking about the relatively few early experience Freerunners that Steve and Michael have evidently seeded out to a few trusted folks. I may be misguided, but the quality of ASU load does not sound like it's ready to flow out to a few thousand developers, never mind how eager they are. My guess: OpenMoko is gathering feedback from the n=100 (???) early experience Freerunner units, then they knocks down the nastiest bugs, and THEN and only then open the spigot at the factory. If it was me, I would only have built a few hundred so far, but they may well have bigger balls than I do. ;) -rj From: Sebastian Reichel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 22:26:53 +0200 Subject: Re: software load for first mfg run of Freerunner? Is ASU what ships? hi, it was said some days ago in the mailing list, that ASU is not the software which is shipped with the phone. But the first Freerunners, which are shipped are still not for the average user - they are for developers, which are able to update their phones. Am Sonntag, den 25.05.2008, 12:35 -0700 schrieb Ron K. Jeffries: I am NOT asking if mass production has started. I am asking if OpenMoko has frozen a release to load into the microSD cards. It seems to me that the unit can come off the line, and that one of the final steps before packing would be to load the software. Is ASU the* ship[ping s/w load? yes I know people can and will download new s/w. but you'd hope that the Freerunner as shipped would not require an immediate s/w reload. Or maybe I'm being too old skool ??? -- Ron K. Jeffries ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: early experince Freerunners w/ ASU load, vs. thousnads of Freeruners
Since I'm a software guy, my list of nice to have's are: *Some sort of example workingish software stack to hack on *A documented way of unbricking it if/when I stuff up *Hardware that works I'm not seeing any problems at this stage... Here's how I see this working: Openmoko ships the phones with the old(er) firmware. People get them, and get onto mailing lists. Technically competent users figure how to update them, post instructions. Other people verify them, write them up in easy to use fashion. Someone posts a script, someone else codes it up into a GUI program for win32, downloadable as a msi installer. Parallel to this process will be people hacking away after or during work, generating custom builds, and scratching their personal software itches. Some of this custom work will get picked up by the mainline, and make it into the factory builds. This happens everywhere there is collaboration - we see it with PSPs, DSLites, iPods and a whole bunch of other highly closed, user-modification hostile platforms with no documentation publicly available. The fact that this is an open platform means that the above process is only going to occur faster from the point at which people receive their phones. So with all due respect, relax. I'm not a terribly good developer, and I reckon I'm up for it. Looking at this page: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_openmoko#Actually_flashing_things_into_the_device Suggests that as long as one isn't messing with the uboot partition, its actually pretty hard to properly brick the phone. Cheers, David On Sun, 2008-05-25 at 17:47 -0700, Ron K. Jeffries wrote: Sebastian, I am well aware that we are MANY months away from Freerunner being appropriate choice for an average just a user. But Steve has talked about mass production (starting soon...) which I'd assume implies OpenMoko building a few thousands of Freerunners. I am not asking about the relatively few early experience Freerunners that Steve and Michael have evidently seeded out to a few trusted folks. I may be misguided, but the quality of ASU load does not sound like it's ready to flow out to a few thousand developers, never mind how eager they are. My guess: OpenMoko is gathering feedback from the n=100 (???) early experience Freerunner units, then they knocks down the nastiest bugs, and THEN and only then open the spigot at the factory. If it was me, I would only have built a few hundred so far, but they may well have bigger balls than I do. ;) -rj From: Sebastian Reichel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 22:26:53 +0200 Subject: Re: software load for first mfg run of Freerunner? Is ASU what ships? hi, it was said some days ago in the mailing list, that ASU is not the software which is shipped with the phone. But the first Freerunners, which are shipped are still not for the average user - they are for developers, which are able to update their phones. Am Sonntag, den 25.05.2008, 12:35 -0700 schrieb Ron K. Jeffries: I am NOT asking if mass production has started. I am asking if OpenMoko has frozen a release to load into the microSD cards. It seems to me that the unit can come off the line, and that one of the final steps before packing would be to load the software. Is ASU the* ship[ping s/w load? yes I know people can and will download new s/w. but you'd hope that the Freerunner as shipped would not require an immediate s/w reload. Or maybe I'm being too old skool ??? -- Ron K. Jeffries ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
