enviroment friendly development for v2?
Salve! I don't know how much enviroment friendly development was criteria for the v1 - but this point would be nice to consider - at last for v2: http://www.greenpeace.org/international/campaigns/toxics/electronics/copy-of-how-the-companies-line OpenMoko will enable the user to use the phone much longer and to add the software that he wants/needs instead of the need to buy a new phone because of a new protocoll e.g. Wap. This is already a big step for beeing an environment friendly product. Don't get me wrong, I don't ask for making all better from the beginning - but on the longterm, it would be nice to promote OpenMoko/Neo1973 also with ecological criterias. Like: Beeing greener then the Greenphone ;) Supporting small companies to repair e.g. display demanges with different display types and a non-propritary battery format would help that the live-time of a Neo would be longer than the 12-24 month crap with included engineered end of live shortly after warannty. No keyboard is a good design to be able to use it for a longer time :) So avoiding using high toxical chemicals for the production it the one aspect - having a lower resources consumption with a longer livetime another. Green greetings, rob ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: enviroment friendly development for v2?
2007/2/4, Robert Michel [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Don't get me wrong, I don't ask for making all better from the beginning - but on the longterm, it would be nice to promote OpenMoko/Neo1973 also with ecological criterias. Average OpenMoko user takes a bath once a week. iPhone user takes a shower twice a day! Buy Neo1974, save the Earth! :-] No keyboard is a good design to be able to use it for a longer time :) You can still use phones made in 60's, are you sure touchscreen will survive 40 years too? ;-) -- Tomek Z. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: enviroment friendly development for v2?
Salve Tomasz! On Sun, 04 Feb 2007, Tomasz Zielinski wrote: 2007/2/4, Robert Michel [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Don't get me wrong, I don't ask for making all better from the beginning - but on the longterm, it would be nice to promote OpenMoko/Neo1973 also with ecological criterias. Average OpenMoko user takes a bath once a week. iPhone user takes a shower twice a day! Buy Neo1974, save the Earth! :-] Wow what a seriously answer. It seems that you haven'd used the link: http://www.greenpeace.org/international/campaigns/toxics/electronics/copy-of-how-the-companies-line Ok, when you are only interested in competing with iPhone - greenpeace is helping to seperate from Apple: http://www.greenpeace.org/raw/content/international/press/reports/greener-electronics-apple-rank-2.pdf No keyboard is a good design to be able to use it for a longer time :) You can still use phones made in 60's, are you sure touchscreen will survive 40 years too? ;-) First I was comparing mobil phones, second, because the touchscreen has no mechanical parts, I think it is possible to produce this touchscreen in a way, that 80% are usable in 40 years. And making the case strong enough to be able to use the mobile outdoor and in the rain would help using the touchscreen in 40 years as well. But you are not seriously it makes a big differance if the devices are usable due crap keys or no softwareupgrade posibilities for 2 years, or if the Neo1973 will be used for 10 years. I was not kidding with a ecologicaly view on mobil phones, we can bring OpenMoko and the Neo1973 into seriously science - influence of OpenSoftware to reduce hardware cycles - it is absolutly unsmart to produce devices only for 1-2 year use. And your kidding replay let me thing that with OpenMoko it would be possibe to go one stepp further - recycling of old smartphones 1. refurbishment and selling them with OpenMoko 2. desodering ICs and recycling of SoCs, GSM ICs, displays and condensors: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tantalum I don't think there is any other consumer electronic device that is generally replaced every 12 months. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/6174422.stm Visit Nokia Sustainable products: http://www.nokia.com/A4197011 And I think it is possible to find studies about the ecological footprint of mobil devices like: http://www.mitpressjournals.org/doi/abs/10.1162/108819806775545330 See: http://howgeen.blogspot.com/2006/12/mobile-phone-one-more-enemy-for-earth.html In our mind, the mobile phone's not associated yet with the environmental, social or economic problems that it leads to. However, some figures are scary: nearly 30 kg of raw materials are necessary to manufacturate a device of about 100 grams! And in the world, one estimates that a billion devices are living! [...] http://www.wwf.be/fr/index.cfm?group=newsmenu=factsheets.cfmpage=factsheets/campaign/gsm-environment.cfm PC 764m^2 mobil phone 32m^2 http://www.weeeman.org/html/impact/footprint.html BTW the ieee has an IEEE 802.3 Energy Efficient Ethernet Study Group: http://www.ieee802.org/3/eee_study/ The more I think about ecolgical points with OpenMoko/Neo1973 as more I think it could be a good promoting argument. 1. OpenMoko/Neo1973 give the user the freedom to update and install new software - independent from the hardware producer or network provider. This gives a perspective to use the Neo1973 longer then any other smartphone with a fast changing market - mostly protocolls 2. The ecological footprint of a smart phone is much smaller than that of a PC or laptop - giving full Linux power to the Neo1973 it will reduce the need for a PC/Laptop That could be combined with avoiding toxical chemicals during producing, posibilities to repair devices and recycling ideas So I would not talk about to aim a livetime of 40 years, but what about sinicicant longer livetime (5-10 years) than normal smart phones? Green greetings, rob ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: enviroment friendly development for v2?
Robert Michel writes: You can still use phones made in 60's, are you sure touchscreen will survive 40 years too? ;-) First I was comparing mobil phones, second, because the touchscreen has no mechanical parts, I think it is possible to produce this touchscreen in a way, that 80% are usable in 40 years. Resistive touchscreens do have the eqivalent of a mechanical part: the material between the front and back surfaces. When you press, you push it out of the way to make contact. This wears down over time; I actually kept my first Palm Pilot long enough to wear the screen out (and was able to find a replacement screen on ebay, so it kept on going for several more years!) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: enviroment friendly development for v2?
All this is good. a) how the company (FIC) is supposed to make a profit by manufacturing less phones? b) let's say my phone will last 10 years . How can I be sure that my cellular provider will use the same technology for many years (with only software upgrades required)? There are companies that create sell refurbished phones to 3rd world countries for cheap, so the situation is not grim enough. Robert Michel wrote: Ok, when you are only interested in competing with iPhone - greenpeace is helping to seperate from Apple: First I was comparing mobil phones, second, because the touchscreen has no mechanical parts, I think it is possible to produce this touchscreen in a way, that 80% are usable in 40 years. The touchscreen has a digitizer, and it's still very unreliable for long-term usage. I wonder if FIC will do it right. So I would not talk about to aim a livetime of 40 years, but what about sinicicant longer livetime (5-10 years) than normal smart phones? Green greetings, rob -- With best regards, Oleg. *OLS Software* Websites Building, PHP Development. Tel./Fax 03-613-2865 , mobile: 054-424-0865 URL http://www.ols.co.il ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: enviroment friendly development for v2?
Salve Joe! On Sun, 04 Feb 2007, Joe Pfeiffer wrote: Robert Michel writes: You can still use phones made in 60's, are you sure touchscreen will survive 40 years too? ;-) First I was comparing mobil phones, second, because the touchscreen has no mechanical parts, I think it is possible to produce this touchscreen in a way, that 80% are usable in 40 years. Resistive touchscreens do have the eqivalent of a mechanical part: You are right about resistive touchscreens, but will the Neo not have an optical touchscreen? Or is the v1/v2 without multitouch? Greetings rob ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: enviroment friendly development for v2?
Salve Oleg! Oleg L. Sverdlov schrieb am Sonntag, den 04. Februar 2007 um 23:36h: All this is good. a) how the company (FIC) is supposed to make a profit by manufacturing less phones? Who is saying that FIC should produce less phones ;) When FIC is producing phones which are usable 2-5 longer than the other phones on the market, than this is a good argument to choce a phone from FIC. Don't forget that FIC steps new into a quite closed market. b) let's say my phone will last 10 years . How can I be sure that my cellular provider will use the same technology for many years (with only software upgrades required)? You cant upgrade to UMTS, but for phoning with GSM it should be good enough. When the GSM chip would be on a small module, even network technologie would be upgradable. There are companies that create sell refurbished phones to 3rd world countries for cheap, so the situation is not grim enough. AFAIK less then 2% of the mobils are going to recycled. My 12 years old hp48 calculator is still very usefull, so I don't find any reason (from the consumer view) why a live cycle of a smartphone couldn't be 10 years as well. Not the hardware was the limiting factor on the phones of the last years - the software was it. Greetings, rob ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: enviroment friendly development for v2?
Robert Michel writes: On Sun, 04 Feb 2007, Joe Pfeiffer wrote: Robert Michel writes: You can still use phones made in 60's, are you sure touchscreen will survive 40 years too? ;-) First I was comparing mobil phones, second, because the touchscreen has no mechanical parts, I think it is possible to produce this touchscreen in a way, that 80% are usable in 40 years. Resistive touchscreens do have the eqivalent of a mechanical part: You are right about resistive touchscreens, but will the Neo not have an optical touchscreen? Or is the v1/v2 without multitouch? I thought I saw an earlier post on this list confirming that V1 will use a resistive, single-touch-only screen. The wiki confirms that it's single-touch (but doesn't describe the technology). Near as I can tell, there's been *no* information from FIC on the V2; everything about it has been speculation. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
