Re: Why vala? Was - Re: ffalarms 0.2.3 Vala/libeflvala/Elementary rewrite
Steven ** montg...@gmail.com writes: I've seen several developers talking about porting things to vala. I'm not really familiar with this language. What is the point? Why would you spend the effort rewriting an app that already works into another language when the result is identical to the original? Is vala really that much easier to program in that C? Łukasz, was it worth all that time to rewrite ffalarms (which is a great app)? Just wondering if I should be paying more attention to this vala stuff... For sure Vala is worth looking at... I started ffalarms with (excelant language) Python which is my language of choice mostly for small scripts and numerical calculations with numpy and my own lib. Found Vala on the way, which is a high level language -- I have not needed Python dynamic nature in ffalarms, apart from simple convienience (no variable declarations and monkey typing). Vala adds speed and smaller memory footprint and easier interfacing with C libraries which I hope to use soon (though it is also convenient in Python when using Pyrex/Cython). I decided it is good to learn Vala and there is no better way to do that than write some real program, and here comes the rewrite. Such a rewrite is also good to check how much you miss constructs from the previous language in the new one. It takes some time to get used to it (like with any language). I am not a great fan of verbose names so I defined Emacs abbrevs for some common names such as prn - stdout.printf getenv - Environment.get_variable -Steven 2009/6/28 Łukasz Pankowski lukp...@o2.pl: Hi I have just released ffalarms 0.2.3. Features: - rewritten using Vala/libeflvala/Elementary (same features as 0.2.2) [...] Rewrite in Vala took much of my available time. I hope to add recursive alarms, but you know well my time limited, slow rate of development :). ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why vala? Was - Re: ffalarms 0.2.3 Vala/libeflvala/Elementary rewrite
I actually work in C with all the crazy function pointers and what-not every day. So, that's sort of how my brain works these days. I looked at some Vala samples and was like Wait a minute, are these classes or something? I haven't seen stuff like this since college!. ;-) -Steven On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 1:22 PM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauermic...@vanille-media.de wrote: Anf if you're still not convinced, read some C/GLib/Gobject source code and then some Vala source code. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Why vala? Was - Re: ffalarms 0.2.3 Vala/libeflvala/Elementary rewrite
I've seen several developers talking about porting things to vala. I'm not really familiar with this language. What is the point? Why would you spend the effort rewriting an app that already works into another language when the result is identical to the original? Is vala really that much easier to program in that C? Łukasz, was it worth all that time to rewrite ffalarms (which is a great app)? Just wondering if I should be paying more attention to this vala stuff... -Steven 2009/6/28 Łukasz Pankowski lukp...@o2.pl: Hi I have just released ffalarms 0.2.3. Features: - rewritten using Vala/libeflvala/Elementary (same features as 0.2.2) [...] Rewrite in Vala took much of my available time. I hope to add recursive alarms, but you know well my time limited, slow rate of development :). ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why vala? Was - Re: ffalarms 0.2.3 Vala/libeflvala/Elementary rewrite
Just wondering if I should be paying more attention to this vala stuff... Yes, you should, because Vala is a groundbreaking new programming language that combines the abstraction of high level languages with the performance of low level languages. See also: http://blogs.gnome.org/lharris/2009/02/23/why-vala-is-the-answer-to-life-the- universe-and-everything/ http://zee-nix.blogspot.com/2008/05/why-vala.html http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2007/12/30/first-encounter-with- vala/ http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2007/09/vala-high-level-programming- with-less-fat.ars Anf if you're still not convinced, read some C/GLib/Gobject source code and then some Vala source code. Cheers, :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
ffalarms 0.2.3 Vala/libeflvala/Elementary rewrite
Hi I have just released ffalarms 0.2.3. Features: - rewritten using Vala/libeflvala/Elementary (same features as 0.2.2) - avoids suspend and keeps display on during alarm on FSO platform (such as SHR) - note: will not stop alarms added by previous versions of ffalarms Download: http://projects.openmoko.org/frs/?group_id=260release_id=542 Rewrite in Vala took much of my available time. I hope to add recursive alarms, but you know well my time limited, slow rate of development :). Hope it works for You! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ffalarms 0.2.3 Vala/libeflvala/Elementary rewrite
Am Sonntag, 28. Juni 2009 22:13:24 schrieb Łukasz Pankowski: Hi I have just released ffalarms 0.2.3. Features: - rewritten using Vala/libeflvala/Elementary (same features as 0.2.2) - avoids suspend and keeps display on during alarm on FSO platform (such as SHR) - note: will not stop alarms added by previous versions of ffalarms Download: http://projects.openmoko.org/frs/?group_id=260release_id=542 Rewrite in Vala took much of my available time. I hope to add recursive alarms, but you know well my time limited, slow rate of development :). Hope it works for You! Hey Łukasz, I have Om2009t5 with upgrades from the shr feeds and they already got frameworkd 0.8.5.1+gitr516f48762ab7afa4e4702a0ba01bc0a004ae4c60-r2, could you change your frameworkd dependency from = to = ? I'd be able to install ffalarms then... :) -- Marcel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ffalarms 0.2.3 Vala/libeflvala/Elementary rewrite
Marcel tan...@googlemail.com writes: Am Sonntag, 28. Juni 2009 22:13:24 schrieb Łukasz Pankowski: Hi I have just released ffalarms 0.2.3. Features: - rewritten using Vala/libeflvala/Elementary (same features as 0.2.2) - avoids suspend and keeps display on during alarm on FSO platform (such as SHR) - note: will not stop alarms added by previous versions of ffalarms Download: http://projects.openmoko.org/frs/?group_id=260release_id=542 Rewrite in Vala took much of my available time. I hope to add recursive alarms, but you know well my time limited, slow rate of development :). Hope it works for You! Hey Łukasz, I have Om2009t5 with upgrades from the shr feeds and they already got frameworkd 0.8.5.1+gitr516f48762ab7afa4e4702a0ba01bc0a004ae4c60-r2, could you change your frameworkd dependency from = to = ? I'd be able to install ffalarms then... :) Hey Marcel, Ffalarms does not have frameworkd dependency, it is only among suggested packages. Łukasz -- Marcel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ffalarms 0.2.3 Vala/libeflvala/Elementary rewrite
error reading config file key file contains key '24hr_format' which has a value that cannot be interpreted. default configuration will be used 2009/6/28 Łukasz Pankowski lukp...@o2.pl: Hi I have just released ffalarms 0.2.3. Features: - rewritten using Vala/libeflvala/Elementary (same features as 0.2.2) - avoids suspend and keeps display on during alarm on FSO platform (such as SHR) - note: will not stop alarms added by previous versions of ffalarms Download: http://projects.openmoko.org/frs/?group_id=260release_id=542 Rewrite in Vala took much of my available time. I hope to add recursive alarms, but you know well my time limited, slow rate of development :). Hope it works for You! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ffalarms 0.2.3 Vala/libeflvala/Elementary rewrite
Am Sonntag, 28. Juni 2009 22:46:18 schrieb Łukasz Pankowski: Marcel tan...@googlemail.com writes: Am Sonntag, 28. Juni 2009 22:13:24 schrieb Łukasz Pankowski: Hi I have just released ffalarms 0.2.3. Features: - rewritten using Vala/libeflvala/Elementary (same features as 0.2.2) - avoids suspend and keeps display on during alarm on FSO platform (such as SHR) - note: will not stop alarms added by previous versions of ffalarms Download: http://projects.openmoko.org/frs/?group_id=260release_id=542 Rewrite in Vala took much of my available time. I hope to add recursive alarms, but you know well my time limited, slow rate of development :). Hope it works for You! Hey Łukasz, I have Om2009t5 with upgrades from the shr feeds and they already got frameworkd 0.8.5.1+gitr516f48762ab7afa4e4702a0ba01bc0a004ae4c60-r2, could you change your frameworkd dependency from = to = ? I'd be able to install ffalarms then... :) Hey Marcel, Ffalarms does not have frameworkd dependency, it is only among suggested packages. Łukasz Eehm. Does opkg call suggestions deps, too? (In contrast to recommendations) Collected errors: * ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for ffalarms: * frameworkd (= 0.8.5.1+gitr516f48762ab7afa4e4702a0ba01bc0a004ae4c60-r1) * Just want to clear this up, I installed with -force-depends, alarms work now... :) Does that package install a default config somewhere? I'm kinda tired of having to go find that somewhere everytime I reflash *g* -- Marcel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ffalarms 0.2.3 Vala/libeflvala/Elementary rewrite
jeremy jozwik jerjoz.for...@gmail.com writes: error reading config file key file contains key '24hr_format' which has a value that cannot be interpreted. default configuration will be used You may simply remove ~/.ffalarmsrc (if you did not customize it) or in ~/.ffalarmsrc change [ledclock] 24hr_format=yes to [ledclock] 24hr_format=true That is because Python version of reading ini-like files allows true|false, yes|no, and 1|0 for boolean values while glib one allows only true|false. 2009/6/28 Łukasz Pankowski lukp...@o2.pl: Hi I have just released ffalarms 0.2.3. Features: - rewritten using Vala/libeflvala/Elementary (same features as 0.2.2) - avoids suspend and keeps display on during alarm on FSO platform (such as SHR) - note: will not stop alarms added by previous versions of ffalarms Download: http://projects.openmoko.org/frs/?group_id=260release_id=542 Rewrite in Vala took much of my available time. I hope to add recursive alarms, but you know well my time limited, slow rate of development :). Hope it works for You! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ffalarms 0.2.3 Vala/libeflvala/Elementary rewrite
Marcel tan...@googlemail.com writes: Eehm. Does opkg call suggestions deps, too? (In contrast to recommendations) It would be strange. You may try dpkg -I ffalarms_0.2.3-r0_armv4t.ipk | grep frameworkd and check whether I am mad. Collected errors: * ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for ffalarms: * frameworkd (= 0.8.5.1+gitr516f48762ab7afa4e4702a0ba01bc0a004ae4c60-r1) * Just want to clear this up, I installed with -force-depends, alarms work now... :) Does that package install a default config somewhere? I'm kinda tired of having to go find that somewhere everytime I reflash *g* ffalarms up to 0.2.2 used to write default config to ~/.ffalarmsrc if non was found, 0.2.3 uses build-in config if none is found (does not write anything) which is equivalent to: [alarm] player=aplay -q %(file)s file=/usr/share/ffalarms/alarm.wav repeat=500 [ledclock] 24hr_format=true brightness=33 -- Marcel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ffalarms 0.2.3 Vala/libeflvala/Elementary rewrite
Am Sonntag, 28. Juni 2009 23:49:59 schrieb Łukasz Pankowski: Marcel tan...@googlemail.com writes: Eehm. Does opkg call suggestions deps, too? (In contrast to recommendations) It would be strange. You may try dpkg -I ffalarms_0.2.3-r0_armv4t.ipk | grep frameworkd and check whether I am mad. mar...@d-wwow:~$ dpkg -I ffalarms* | grep framew Suggests: mplayer, alsa-utils-aplay, frameworkd So you're actually NOT mad. Maybe opkg is... Strange. -- Marcel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
