7 Reasons Why the New iPhone 3G Sucks
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Re: new iphone
On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 2:21 AM, Christian Benke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good evening! So who of you is thinking about buying the new iphone instead of an openmoko in case the technical specs really improve(3G, better resolution)? Nope Well, first of all, iphone is not sold legally in my country of living. Then, I do not want to use phone, that requires me to pay for changing the ring tone. And since I'm myself am a developer, I don't like to steal software at all (imho that's just not right thing to do -- to steal something that I'm myself is being paid for). Imho, freedom is much more valuable than any piece of hardware (Although I'm not against shareware). And Freerunners' is not so bad. As for OM, i'll wait till the end of summer. If phone won't be out, than it's never will be out, so I'll bury OM deep beneath the ground (let's face it -- there are similar projects, none of them is as open as OM, but OM is not releasing phone yet). ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: new iphone
Iphone's suck. -- Sent from my iPhone :) On Jun 1, 2008, at 6:21 PM, Christian Benke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good evening! So who of you is thinking about buying the new iphone instead of an openmoko in case the technical specs really improve(3G, better resolution)? I'd love to have a open smartphone, but there are so many compromises with the openmoko project(hardware lacks, formfactor, unfinished software) and the timing for the release is bad unfortunately (on the other side the people interested in openmoko are not necessarily interested in the iphone - However It is really a matter of supporting the community and helping the product launch. Apple has tons of developers, a big fanboy base, and lots of software already written I think I speak on behalf of the community when I say we are here for the long run, to help, and see the product grow into an everyday apperance when you are walking around. I, for one, dont go jumping on iPhone mailing lists trying to enhance the product as I am at the very end of the food chain. Its a great oppurtunity to help and get involved and be unique :) My .2 cents :) , i guess there will be some people who drop the idea of buying a moko after next weeks apple conference...) I feel bad about this decision, i'm not willing to use proprietary software anywhere in my environment, neither work nor private, but the hardware side of the iphone is presumably better(3G, bigger screen) and the software is just _ready_. I'm kind of in a dilemma right now, on the one hand i know i'll hate the closeness of OSX at some point (Just like it happened with Windows 7 years ago) and would love to be able to do what i want with my smartphone, on the other hand i'm not a developer (i do some scripting but i'm far from any serious software hacking) and i don't have the skills to fix annoying bugs and will have to wait another few months till the software is in a useable state and a freerunner could get a expensive toy for me if development is not accelerating as fast as i expect it to after the release :-( I guess the freerunner will not get available in the next week so i can still decide, probably i'm lucky and all the speculations about the iphone are untrue(only 3G is not a (OM-)dealbreaker for me) ;-) My favourite would still be a Nokia E70 with a useable linux-OS, i just loved the gullwing formfactor - if just Symbian wasn't such a crutch, and a bit more RAM would also not hurt on the E70... my 2 cents Christian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: new iphone
Christian Benke wrote: Good evening! Good morning So who of you is thinking about buying the new iphone instead of an openmoko in case the technical specs really improve(3G, better resolution)? I'd love to have a open smartphone, but there are so many compromises with the openmoko project(hardware lacks, formfactor, unfinished software) and the timing for the release is bad unfortunately (on the other side the people interested in openmoko are not necessarily interested in the iphone - However, i guess there will be some people who drop the idea of buying a moko after next weeks apple conference...) It is so. Freerunner != IPhone. This doesn't mean that Freerunner IPhone or FreeRunner IPhone. Are two DIFFERENT products. Who decide to spend 299 Euro (For who like me live in Italy) to buy a GPRS phone, I think he has his reasons to buy it. I think a person need to buy a Openmoko, another a IPhone, another a phone that just call. There is nothing bad. But personally I don't think that a person that planned to give the amount of a house rend (my rent fee 1 Freerunner) very difficult will switch to a Iphone, only after a conference. Because these are two different products. I feel bad about this decision, i'm not willing to use proprietary software anywhere in my environment, neither work nor private, but the hardware side of the iphone is presumably better(3G, bigger screen) and the software is just _ready_. The problem is that now the world don't let to use OUR hardware how we want. Or we use the full hardware performance paying with closeness, or we have full control of OUR hardware, but we are forced to use reduced performances. It is like when we buy a car but someone forbide to open the engine to install an air conditioner, or to mount a radio that we like. In new car it happen already so, warning you that if you change something without their reseller, your warranty will expire. You think that the object is your than more in fact is more a rented car. The same is now with chips. You think that the chips you bought is your, but that to know how to use it you have to pay a lot and to sign tones of NDA. I'm kind of in a dilemma right now, on the one hand i know i'll hate the closeness of OSX at some point (Just like it happened with Windows 7 years ago) and would love to be able to do what i want with my smartphone, on the other hand i'm not a developer (i do some scripting but i'm far from any serious software hacking) and i don't have the skills to fix annoying bugs and will have to wait another few months till the software is in a useable state and a freerunner could get a expensive toy for me if development is not accelerating as fast as i expect it to after the release :-( Openmoko will give you with a running, tested and ready firmware for basic usage. It is the GTK version of their application. A new software will come when ready, that will improve a lot of things. But for now it is not yes usable. I guess the freerunner will not get available in the next week so i can still decide, probably i'm lucky and all the speculations about the iphone are untrue(only 3G is not a (OM-)dealbreaker for me) ;-) My favourite would still be a Nokia E70 with a useable linux-OS, i just loved the gullwing formfactor - if just Symbian wasn't such a crutch, and a bit more RAM would also not hurt on the E70... I think I explained well my point of view. In every case don't feel down if you decide for IPhone. This only mean to satisfy your need IPhone is better for you. I used it and it is nice. But Freerunner is (for me) something realy different, and I prefer to spend my money is it than in a IPhone. World is nice because every person is free to choose what he want. Good choose :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: new iphone
There's a nice german saying for that (also a film title): Und täglich grüßt das Murmeltier... On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 1:21 AM, Christian Benke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good evening! So who of you is thinking about buying the new iphone instead of an openmoko in case the technical specs really improve(3G, better resolution)? I'd love to have a open smartphone, but there are so many compromises with the openmoko project(hardware lacks, formfactor, unfinished software) and the timing for the release is bad unfortunately (on the other side the people interested in openmoko are not necessarily interested in the iphone - However, i guess there will be some people who drop the idea of buying a moko after next weeks apple conference...) I feel bad about this decision, i'm not willing to use proprietary software anywhere in my environment, neither work nor private, but the hardware side of the iphone is presumably better(3G, bigger screen) and the software is just _ready_. I'm kind of in a dilemma right now, on the one hand i know i'll hate the closeness of OSX at some point (Just like it happened with Windows 7 years ago) and would love to be able to do what i want with my smartphone, on the other hand i'm not a developer (i do some scripting but i'm far from any serious software hacking) and i don't have the skills to fix annoying bugs and will have to wait another few months till the software is in a useable state and a freerunner could get a expensive toy for me if development is not accelerating as fast as i expect it to after the release :-( I guess the freerunner will not get available in the next week so i can still decide, probably i'm lucky and all the speculations about the iphone are untrue(only 3G is not a (OM-)dealbreaker for me) ;-) My favourite would still be a Nokia E70 with a useable linux-OS, i just loved the gullwing formfactor - if just Symbian wasn't such a crutch, and a bit more RAM would also not hurt on the E70... my 2 cents Christian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: new iphone
On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 2:21 AM, Christian Benke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good evening! So who of you is thinking about buying the new iphone instead of an openmoko in case the technical specs really improve(3G, better resolution)? If you are willing to exchange your freedom for a few beads, then you don't deserve freedom. Remember, choices today will reap you rewards tomorrow. In a strange way it's like the allegory in the Matrix trilogy - the jail is beautiful, comfortable and warm, freedom is harsh, unforgiving and cold. But in the end, a jail is still a jail and a slave is still a slave. This ultimately is the choice you must make - stand with the free and die trying or enjoy your jail and die a slave. Choose. Note: Yes, it's a bit melodramatic on the surface, but I think we can all start to feel the undertow of a lot of political, social and philosophical movements once again under way globally. I have this uneasy feeling that our choices around freedom just may have much more significant implications that we realize right now. Apologies for bringing politics into essentially technological forum. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: new iphone
Christian Benke [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Good evening! So who of you is thinking about buying the new iphone instead of an openmoko in case the technical specs really improve(3G, better resolution)? Personally, the interest in the Iphone kind of baffles me. So, I will stick with openmoko because of the new possibilities it offers. When it breaks, as all smartphones in my posession innevitable will, I will fall back to my unbreakable Nokia phone which I dont know the model of because the markings has been ereased by usage. my 2 cents Christian -- Joakim Verona ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: new iphone
On Monday 02 June 2008 01:21:03 Christian Benke wrote: So who of you is thinking about buying the new iphone instead of an openmoko in case the technical specs really improve(3G, better resolution)? I'd love to have a open smartphone, but there are so many compromises with the openmoko project(hardware lacks, formfactor, unfinished software) and the timing for the release is bad unfortunately (on the other side the people interested in openmoko are not necessarily interested in the iphone - However, i guess there will be some people who drop the idea of buying a moko after next weeks apple conference...) Really? I don't think so. Neither the Neo1973 nor the FreeRunner were ever playing in the same league as the iPhone. It's a completely different product for a completely different target audience. The iPhone is an attractive mass market ready end user product with high-end hardware. It discourages tinkering with most parts of the system and embraces closed source software. The FreeRunner is the first free (as in speech) mobile phone you can buy in quantities. It's a great developer board in a phone case. It encourages tinkering with all parts of the system and embraces open source software. As for the compromises in the hardware, that's the price you have to pay when your paradigm is freedom. This may change in future as we might see silicon vendors opening up, but it's a long way to go. Not much to argue or whine about, really. /my personal take on that :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: new iphone - not interested at all
Hi, I for one am completely blind when it comes to proprietary technology nowadays. I am not interested in any device that offers substantially less freedom than what is provided by OpenMoko. 'Proprietariness' is kind of zero factor for me: Multiplied with any cool feature factor it will cause *zero* exciteness. Additionally I am also not interested anymore in devices that need to be hacked, reverse engineered or lack important drivers (e.g. power management). When it comes to proprietary devices I am also *much* more concerned about environmental pollution: After all a device that implements its maker's vision and cannot be freed from it anytime becomes useless when the next generation appears. If you are a manufacturer of such a device do mother nature a favor and leave the silicon, oil, copper and whatever resources you need for it under earth's surface! Call me free software zealot, GNU hippy or RMS biggest admirer but this is my opinion and everyone is completely free to disagree. I have a life to live (and enjoy) and will not accept random people misusing software to decide what I can do and what not. Regards Robert Christian Benke schrieb: Good evening! So who of you is thinking about buying the new iphone instead of an openmoko in case the technical specs really improve(3G, better resolution)? I'd love to have a open smartphone, but there are so many compromises with the openmoko project(hardware lacks, formfactor, unfinished software) and the timing for the release is bad unfortunately (on the other side the people interested in openmoko are not necessarily interested in the iphone - However, i guess there will be some people who drop the idea of buying a moko after next weeks apple conference...) I feel bad about this decision, i'm not willing to use proprietary software anywhere in my environment, neither work nor private, but the hardware side of the iphone is presumably better(3G, bigger screen) and the software is just _ready_. I'm kind of in a dilemma right now, on the one hand i know i'll hate the closeness of OSX at some point (Just like it happened with Windows 7 years ago) and would love to be able to do what i want with my smartphone, on the other hand i'm not a developer (i do some scripting but i'm far from any serious software hacking) and i don't have the skills to fix annoying bugs and will have to wait another few months till the software is in a useable state and a freerunner could get a expensive toy for me if development is not accelerating as fast as i expect it to after the release :-( I guess the freerunner will not get available in the next week so i can still decide, probably i'm lucky and all the speculations about the iphone are untrue(only 3G is not a (OM-)dealbreaker for me) ;-) My favourite would still be a Nokia E70 with a useable linux-OS, i just loved the gullwing formfactor - if just Symbian wasn't such a crutch, and a bit more RAM would also not hurt on the E70... my 2 cents Christian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: new iphone
Note: Yes, it's a bit melodramatic on the surface, but I think we can all start to feel the undertow of a lot of political, social and philosophical movements once again under way globally. I have this uneasy feeling that our choices around freedom just may have much more significant implications that we realize right now. Yes, all off you guys are absolutely right. Its only the temptation to have a fully working product for the same money, pure end user view. But of course that's not what openmoko is about at the current state. Yesterday i was playing with an iPhone and i just thought It works, very responsive, and the browser is usable, and it has multitouch, and there will be an even better version soon, shiny and complete. Evil temptation of Do want ;-) But of course there are all of your arguments, proprietary software just doesn't feel right, it is stained, i'll always be missing something, not only metaphorically due to the political and philosophical constraints and the bad conscience that comes with it - with OSS you have so much more options to get involved in the development of a product and give feedback, also if you are not a programmer, and if you don't give the feedback, someone else will have done it already. The user is the major part of OSS, not a company with marketing ideas is the strong drive behind decisions but the whishes of the people that are using it. Oh, and not to forget the choice - people are not homogenized - We have created the software this way and this is the right way, you can't dislike it, obey doesn't happen, hundreds of people create and recreate the software to reflect their individual choice and it's much more likely that one of the choices also comes close to your needs(I love fluxbox for instance). And there is still the option to change it your way if you know how. Well, in the end i guess i'll just wait a few more months and see how openmoko evolves, i don't really need a solution right now, currently it would only be a matter of convenience(Mobile mail, maps, http). In a year i plan to go travelling for a long time and i will really need a mobile communication solution, and the more customizable it is, the better. I hope till then there will be a OSS-solution where i don't have to think quadruple about the drawbacks and compromises(I'm one of those guys that is seeking days for the perfect, minimalistic solution with the least compromises) Regards and thanks for the moral backing Christian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: new iphone
I completely see where you are coming from. Comparisons are inevitable and imo your points are mostly valid here. Android vs Openmoko vs iPhone OSX. You can take this comparison out of the community but you cannot escape it. I bet everyone have put their 2 cents to it already, and so some ppl are here and some there. Someone said iPhone and Freerunner are leagues apart, but why then I ask are they compared to, in our own wiki page? Surely because they deserve to. Same with Android. Saying Openmoko complements Android leaves a lot more to imagine. The discussion has to be on physical merits too. I'm sure everyone would like to have it from the big guys @ Openmoko - the real deal where it gets down and dirty, the future as THEY see, any social impacts, oh. yes and the much talked about target audience too. If FreeRunner lacks in some areas, so what? Nothing is perfect and nobody should shy from that as well. There are 10 other FreeeRunner benefits worth writing about too, yes? I personally resisted the charms of iPhone because it just didnt cut it for the mini-geek in me. Openmoko sounds perfect atm. Android.. hmm.. somehow I dont like the idea of big corporates controlling (ok, guiding) big standards which can affect day-to-day life in a big way. Cant put my thought down. evilsmell. Rahul J On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 3:14 PM, Christian Benke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Note: Yes, it's a bit melodramatic on the surface, but I think we can all start to feel the undertow of a lot of political, social and philosophical movements once again under way globally. I have this uneasy feeling that our choices around freedom just may have much more significant implications that we realize right now. Yes, all off you guys are absolutely right. Its only the temptation to have a fully working product for the same money, pure end user view. But of course that's not what openmoko is about at the current state. Yesterday i was playing with an iPhone and i just thought It works, very responsive, and the browser is usable, and it has multitouch, and there will be an even better version soon, shiny and complete. Evil temptation of Do want ;-) But of course there are all of your arguments, proprietary software just doesn't feel right, it is stained, i'll always be missing something, not only metaphorically due to the political and philosophical constraints and the bad conscience that comes with it - with OSS you have so much more options to get involved in the development of a product and give feedback, also if you are not a programmer, and if you don't give the feedback, someone else will have done it already. The user is the major part of OSS, not a company with marketing ideas is the strong drive behind decisions but the whishes of the people that are using it. Oh, and not to forget the choice - people are not homogenized - We have created the software this way and this is the right way, you can't dislike it, obey doesn't happen, hundreds of people create and recreate the software to reflect their individual choice and it's much more likely that one of the choices also comes close to your needs(I love fluxbox for instance). And there is still the option to change it your way if you know how. Well, in the end i guess i'll just wait a few more months and see how openmoko evolves, i don't really need a solution right now, currently it would only be a matter of convenience(Mobile mail, maps, http). In a year i plan to go travelling for a long time and i will really need a mobile communication solution, and the more customizable it is, the better. I hope till then there will be a OSS-solution where i don't have to think quadruple about the drawbacks and compromises(I'm one of those guys that is seeking days for the perfect, minimalistic solution with the least compromises) Regards and thanks for the moral backing Christian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: new iphone
Christian Benke wrote: Oh, and not to forget the choice - people are not homogenized - We have created the software this way and this is the right way, you can't dislike it, obey doesn't happen, hundreds of people create and recreate the software to reflect their individual choice and it's much more likely that one of the choices also comes close to your needs(I love fluxbox for instance). And there is still the option to change it your way if you know how. After I posted I thought about this. And yes indeed, you are correct. I shouldn't begrudge the choice no matter what it is. Absolutely, you are correct about that. - Rob ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: new iphone - not interested at all
Absolutly and totally agree with you Robert --- El lun, 2/6/08, Robert Schuster [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: De: Robert Schuster [EMAIL PROTECTED] Asunto: Re: new iphone - not interested at all Para: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Fecha: lunes, 2 junio, 2008 10:13 Hi, I for one am completely blind when it comes to proprietary technology nowadays. I am not interested in any device that offers substantially less freedom than what is provided by OpenMoko. 'Proprietariness' is kind of zero factor for me: Multiplied with any cool feature factor it will cause *zero* exciteness. Additionally I am also not interested anymore in devices that need to be hacked, reverse engineered or lack important drivers (e.g. power management). When it comes to proprietary devices I am also *much* more concerned about environmental pollution: After all a device that implements its maker's vision and cannot be freed from it anytime becomes useless when the next generation appears. If you are a manufacturer of such a device do mother nature a favor and leave the silicon, oil, copper and whatever resources you need for it under earth's surface! Call me free software zealot, GNU hippy or RMS biggest admirer but this is my opinion and everyone is completely free to disagree. I have a life to live (and enjoy) and will not accept random people misusing software to decide what I can do and what not. Regards Robert Christian Benke schrieb: Good evening! So who of you is thinking about buying the new iphone instead of an openmoko in case the technical specs really improve(3G, better resolution)? I'd love to have a open smartphone, but there are so many compromises with the openmoko project(hardware lacks, formfactor, unfinished software) and the timing for the release is bad unfortunately (on the other side the people interested in openmoko are not necessarily interested in the iphone - However, i guess there will be some people who drop the idea of buying a moko after next weeks apple conference...) I feel bad about this decision, i'm not willing to use proprietary software anywhere in my environment, neither work nor private, but the hardware side of the iphone is presumably better(3G, bigger screen) and the software is just _ready_. I'm kind of in a dilemma right now, on the one hand i know i'll hate the closeness of OSX at some point (Just like it happened with Windows 7 years ago) and would love to be able to do what i want with my smartphone, on the other hand i'm not a developer (i do some scripting but i'm far from any serious software hacking) and i don't have the skills to fix annoying bugs and will have to wait another few months till the software is in a useable state and a freerunner could get a expensive toy for me if development is not accelerating as fast as i expect it to after the release :-( I guess the freerunner will not get available in the next week so i can still decide, probably i'm lucky and all the speculations about the iphone are untrue(only 3G is not a (OM-)dealbreaker for me) ;-) My favourite would still be a Nokia E70 with a useable linux-OS, i just loved the gullwing formfactor - if just Symbian wasn't such a crutch, and a bit more RAM would also not hurt on the E70... my 2 cents Christian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community __ Enviado desde Correo Yahoo! La bandeja de entrada más inteligente. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
new iphone
Good evening! So who of you is thinking about buying the new iphone instead of an openmoko in case the technical specs really improve(3G, better resolution)? I'd love to have a open smartphone, but there are so many compromises with the openmoko project(hardware lacks, formfactor, unfinished software) and the timing for the release is bad unfortunately (on the other side the people interested in openmoko are not necessarily interested in the iphone - However, i guess there will be some people who drop the idea of buying a moko after next weeks apple conference...) I feel bad about this decision, i'm not willing to use proprietary software anywhere in my environment, neither work nor private, but the hardware side of the iphone is presumably better(3G, bigger screen) and the software is just _ready_. I'm kind of in a dilemma right now, on the one hand i know i'll hate the closeness of OSX at some point (Just like it happened with Windows 7 years ago) and would love to be able to do what i want with my smartphone, on the other hand i'm not a developer (i do some scripting but i'm far from any serious software hacking) and i don't have the skills to fix annoying bugs and will have to wait another few months till the software is in a useable state and a freerunner could get a expensive toy for me if development is not accelerating as fast as i expect it to after the release :-( I guess the freerunner will not get available in the next week so i can still decide, probably i'm lucky and all the speculations about the iphone are untrue(only 3G is not a (OM-)dealbreaker for me) ;-) My favourite would still be a Nokia E70 with a useable linux-OS, i just loved the gullwing formfactor - if just Symbian wasn't such a crutch, and a bit more RAM would also not hurt on the E70... my 2 cents Christian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
