Re: support win mobile
Ryan Prior wrote: This really shows how little the OpenMoko community understands the Neo. Why port Windows Mobile when we could be porting Windows 3.1? Windows 3.1 is a lightweight OS which has excellent application support from a broad and stable base of industry, and which has successors which we know to be of excellent quality. As the capabilities of future Neo phones increase, we have an upgrade path which we know to be successful and an ever-expanding number of applications supported. The future is DOS - Windows 3.1 By an amazing coincidence (this being April 1, that is), somebody wrote a HIMEM.SYS driver for UNIX (initially OpenBSD) and released it today. From OpenBSD-Mickey's posting to tech@: -- 80s are back and so is HIMEM.SYS now for the modern 32bit architecture known as i386 or "that intel crap." yes as you can have guessed already it gives your >4G memory another chance at life reincarnated as scsi disk. http://mickey.lucifier.net/himem.sys you can read it write it and damn swap on it if you want! credit shall be given to mpf for a productive discussion where this most atypical concept had been born few months ago and later became stations creation in about 30h (and a bottle of port) and later debugged/tested in a few more other more sober hours... few caveats: - man page coming soon! - booting is not supported (yet); - one needs to disklabel+newfs(or dd(2) some image) it before use; - it will get some performance improvement; - not stress-tested much (yet). here is samples: himem0 at root: size 768MB scsibus2 at himem0: 1 targets sd2 at scsibus2 targ 0 lun 0: SCSI2 0/direct fixed sd2: 768MB, 12 cyl, 255 head, 63 sec, 4096 bytes/sec, 196608 sec total What's amazing is that, unlike most April 1 jokes, this seems actually to work. I say "seems" because I don't have enough RAM to run it :-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: support win mobile
On 4/1/08, Joe Pfeiffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Paolo Cavallini writes: > >Vincent ha scritto: > > > >> Excellent! While I thought the Neo was an excellent device, I didn't > >> quite like the openness of the OS. You know, it adds security risks and > >> stuff. > > > >?? > > > Congratulations -- you got one! > > Thanks, I liked the second one even better :) -- Vincent ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: support win mobile
Paolo Cavallini writes: >Vincent ha scritto: > >> Excellent! While I thought the Neo was an excellent device, I didn't >> quite like the openness of the OS. You know, it adds security risks and >> stuff. > >?? Congratulations -- you got one! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: support win mobile
ROTFLMAO! Ryan Prior wrote: This really shows how little the OpenMoko community understands the Neo. Why port Windows Mobile when we could be porting Windows 3.1? Windows 3.1 is a lightweight OS which has excellent application support from a broad and stable base of industry, and which has successors which we know to be of excellent quality. As the capabilities of future Neo phones increase, we have an upgrade path which we know to be successful and an ever-expanding number of applications supported. The future is DOS - Windows 3.1 On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 8:59 AM, Andy Powell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tuesday 01 April 2008 07:05, John Lee wrote: > Dear Community, > > A decision has been made _today_ that Openmoko is going to support > Windows mobile. We, the distribution team, want to provide our > customers the maximum freedom in choosing whatever platform they want, > even the close source ones. We will make necessary modifications to > wine, thus enable win mobile on neo. > > One specific Openmoko hardware is going to support Windows mobile. > It's the Neo Pocky. A prototype has been made and placed in our > meeting room for quite a while. Please check this url for intro and > photos: > > http://walkingice.twbbs.org/blog/?p=336 > > > Regards, > John Lee Wow, I've just ported Windows mobile to the neo1973 perhaps you can license that too? Andy /yes I know //no really, I do. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: support win mobile
You need to fill out the form to request an NDA and have your IP lawyer submit it to Microsoft along with a $100,000 consideration fee. Matt -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Manjos Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 12:28 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: support win mobile When do the NDAs get shipped out, so community members can get authorized to work on software for the Freerunner? On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 12:06 PM, Pietro m0nt0 Montorfano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Tilman Baumann ha scritto: > > [snip] > > > Check your calendar. ;) > > Noticed something? April, first, ... > > > > Tilman > > OMG, i was just waiting for it, it's very beautiful and easy to use, > highly customizable,. > I was planning to buy a GTA03 instead of a GTA02 i hope that you are > serious regarding the GTA03!!! > > Pietro > > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: support win mobile
ROTFL! John Lee wrote: Dear Community, A decision has been made _today_ that Openmoko is going to support Windows mobile. We, the distribution team, want to provide our customers the maximum freedom in choosing whatever platform they want, even the close source ones. We will make necessary modifications to wine, thus enable win mobile on neo. One specific Openmoko hardware is going to support Windows mobile. It's the Neo Pocky. A prototype has been made and placed in our meeting room for quite a while. Please check this url for intro and photos: http://walkingice.twbbs.org/blog/?p=336 Regards, John Lee ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: support win mobile
It's about time this decision has been made. I'm sick and tired of having all this source code lying around. I feel much better if it's all taken care of by someone else. When do the NDAs get shipped out, so community members can get authorized to work on software for the Freerunner? On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 12:06 PM, Pietro m0nt0 Montorfano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Tilman Baumann ha scritto: > > [snip] > > > Check your calendar. ;) > > Noticed something? April, first, ... > > > > Tilman > > OMG, i was just waiting for it, it's very beautiful and easy to use, > highly customizable,. > I was planning to buy a GTA03 instead of a GTA02 i hope that you are > serious regarding the GTA03!!! > > Pietro > > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: support win mobile
Tilman Baumann ha scritto: [snip] Check your calendar. ;) Noticed something? April, first, ... Tilman OMG, i was just waiting for it, it's very beautiful and easy to use, highly customizable,. I was planning to buy a GTA03 instead of a GTA02 i hope that you are serious regarding the GTA03!!! Pietro ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: support win mobile
note the date On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 10:42 AM, Paolo Cavallini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Vincent ha scritto: > > > Excellent! While I thought the Neo was an excellent device, I didn't > > quite like the openness of the OS. You know, it adds security risks and > > stuff. > > ?? > -- > Paolo Cavallini, see: http://www.faunalia.it/pc > Noi ci troviamo con parecchie difficoltà con NGI http://www.ngi.it/ > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: support win mobile
Paolo Cavallini wrote: Vincent ha scritto: Excellent! While I thought the Neo was an excellent device, I didn't quite like the openness of the OS. You know, it adds security risks and stuff. ?? Check your calendar. ;) Noticed something? April, first, ... Tilman ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: support win mobile
Hmm. You don't like the openness of the OS? Can you elaborate why? It's the openness of the OS and underlying hardware that allows to have inventive uses for this device ... And as regards security: if there is anything I learned from the likes of Bruce Schneier, it's to distrust anything not open for inspection ... On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 3:27 PM, Vincent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On 4/1/08, John Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Dear Community, > > > > A decision has been made _today_ that Openmoko is going to support > > Windows mobile. We, the distribution team, want to provide our > > customers the maximum freedom in choosing whatever platform they want, > > even the close source ones. We will make necessary modifications to > > wine, thus enable win mobile on neo. > > > > One specific Openmoko hardware is going to support Windows mobile. > > It's the Neo Pocky. A prototype has been made and placed in our > > meeting room for quite a while. Please check this url for intro and > > photos: > > > > http://walkingice.twbbs.org/blog/?p=336 > > Excellent! While I thought the Neo was an excellent device, I didn't quite > like the openness of the OS. You know, it adds security risks and stuff. I'm > very happy to see we are given choice in this matter. > > > Regards, > > John Lee > > > > Thanks again, > > -- > Vincent > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: support win mobile
Vincent ha scritto: > Excellent! While I thought the Neo was an excellent device, I didn't > quite like the openness of the OS. You know, it adds security risks and > stuff. ?? -- Paolo Cavallini, see: http://www.faunalia.it/pc Noi ci troviamo con parecchie difficoltà con NGI http://www.ngi.it/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: support win mobile
Ryan Prior wrote: This really shows how little the OpenMoko community understands the Neo. Why port Windows Mobile when we could be porting Windows 3.1? Windows 3.1 is a lightweight OS which has excellent application support from a broad and stable base of industry, and which has successors which we know to be of excellent quality. As the capabilities of future Neo phones increase, we have an upgrade path which we know to be successful and an ever-expanding number of applications supported. The future is DOS - Windows 3.1 You made my day. But i want to run AmigaOS on the Pucky. Could someone please port that to polymethane foam? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: support win mobile
On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 5:09 PM, Ian Darwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > John Lee wrote: > > Dear Community, > > > > A decision has been made _today_ that Openmoko is going to support > > Windows mobile. We, the distribution team, want to provide our > > customers the maximum freedom in choosing whatever platform they want, > > even the close source ones. We will make necessary modifications to > > wine, thus enable win mobile on neo. > > > > One specific Openmoko hardware is going to support Windows mobile. > > It's the Neo Pocky. A prototype has been made and placed in our > > meeting room for quite a while. Please check this url for intro and > > photos: > > > > http://walkingice.twbbs.org/blog/?p=336 > > Hmmm, from the picture, it looks like the purfect pet to run Windows on. I can haz win mobile phone pls? http://mine.icanhascheezburger.com/View.aspx?ciid=880127 Cheers, Federico ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: support win mobile
John Lee wrote: Dear Community, A decision has been made _today_ that Openmoko is going to support Windows mobile. We, the distribution team, want to provide our customers the maximum freedom in choosing whatever platform they want, even the close source ones. We will make necessary modifications to wine, thus enable win mobile on neo. One specific Openmoko hardware is going to support Windows mobile. It's the Neo Pocky. A prototype has been made and placed in our meeting room for quite a while. Please check this url for intro and photos: http://walkingice.twbbs.org/blog/?p=336 Hmmm, from the picture, it looks like the purfect pet to run Windows on. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: support win mobile
This really shows how little the OpenMoko community understands the Neo. Why port Windows Mobile when we could be porting Windows 3.1? Windows 3.1 is a lightweight OS which has excellent application support from a broad and stable base of industry, and which has successors which we know to be of excellent quality. As the capabilities of future Neo phones increase, we have an upgrade path which we know to be successful and an ever-expanding number of applications supported. The future is DOS - Windows 3.1 On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 8:59 AM, Andy Powell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tuesday 01 April 2008 07:05, John Lee wrote: > > Dear Community, > > > > A decision has been made _today_ that Openmoko is going to support > > Windows mobile. We, the distribution team, want to provide our > > customers the maximum freedom in choosing whatever platform they want, > > even the close source ones. We will make necessary modifications to > > wine, thus enable win mobile on neo. > > > > One specific Openmoko hardware is going to support Windows mobile. > > It's the Neo Pocky. A prototype has been made and placed in our > > meeting room for quite a while. Please check this url for intro and > > photos: > > > > http://walkingice.twbbs.org/blog/?p=336 > > > > > > Regards, > > John Lee > > Wow, I've just ported Windows mobile to the neo1973 perhaps you can > license that too? > > Andy > > /yes I know > //no really, I do. > > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: support win mobile
On Tuesday 01 April 2008 07:05, John Lee wrote: > Dear Community, > > A decision has been made _today_ that Openmoko is going to support > Windows mobile. We, the distribution team, want to provide our > customers the maximum freedom in choosing whatever platform they want, > even the close source ones. We will make necessary modifications to > wine, thus enable win mobile on neo. > > One specific Openmoko hardware is going to support Windows mobile. > It's the Neo Pocky. A prototype has been made and placed in our > meeting room for quite a while. Please check this url for intro and > photos: > > http://walkingice.twbbs.org/blog/?p=336 > > > Regards, > John Lee Wow, I've just ported Windows mobile to the neo1973 perhaps you can license that too? Andy /yes I know //no really, I do. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: support win mobile
On 4/1/08, John Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Dear Community, > > A decision has been made _today_ that Openmoko is going to support > Windows mobile. We, the distribution team, want to provide our > customers the maximum freedom in choosing whatever platform they want, > even the close source ones. We will make necessary modifications to > wine, thus enable win mobile on neo. > > One specific Openmoko hardware is going to support Windows mobile. > It's the Neo Pocky. A prototype has been made and placed in our > meeting room for quite a while. Please check this url for intro and > photos: > > http://walkingice.twbbs.org/blog/?p=336 Excellent! While I thought the Neo was an excellent device, I didn't quite like the openness of the OS. You know, it adds security risks and stuff. I'm very happy to see we are given choice in this matter. Regards, > John Lee > Thanks again, -- Vincent ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
support win mobile
Dear Community, A decision has been made _today_ that Openmoko is going to support Windows mobile. We, the distribution team, want to provide our customers the maximum freedom in choosing whatever platform they want, even the close source ones. We will make necessary modifications to wine, thus enable win mobile on neo. One specific Openmoko hardware is going to support Windows mobile. It's the Neo Pocky. A prototype has been made and placed in our meeting room for quite a while. Please check this url for intro and photos: http://walkingice.twbbs.org/blog/?p=336 Regards, John Lee ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
