AW: Re: AW: RE: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down
I`ve done this with a samsung handy (sorry, it was not ericsson), exactly with the SGH-D600. The battery was the standard, here the S/N: NH1YB02CS/-5 and some other infos; TYPE: 3.7V. Li-ion Model: BST4389BE It`s a battery integrated in the cover (see attachment) Marco Ursprüngliche Nachricht Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Datum: 16.07.2008 18:36 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED], List for Openmoko community discussioncommunity@lists.openmoko.org Betreff: Re: AW: RE: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down Glad it helped, and thanks for the feedback. Can you please send me the part number of your ericson battery, for reference? Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I`ve done a jump start with a ericsson-battery, which have the same Volt. Now my FR has started up and the battery is charging :-) Thanks again for the tip! Ursprüngliche Nachricht Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Datum: 13.07.2008 17:16 An: List for Openmoko community discussioncommunity@lists.openmoko.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kopie: Michael Shiloh[EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: RE: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down If your battery falls below a certain level then FreeRunner sometimes will not charge it. We are working on fixes for this but in the short term you have these options. 1. Jump start your battery. Michael will explain how, Takes 5 seconds. 2. Get a stand alone battery charger from Nokia ( for battery types 4bl, 5bl, 6bl) 3. Get a replacement battery. Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of arne anka Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 7:32 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down while surfing the device-owners list i've stumbled over this: Sometimes it happened (I think to all of us! ;) ) that NEO1973's battery goesfully discharged, and for this I follow the instruction on the wiki pages(detach battery 20 seconds, attach to USB, wait 1 hour, start the Phone). anyway -- the guy posting this seemed to have killed his battery (not finished the thread yet). regarding you usb-only: maybe your usb port does not supply 500mAh? btw: your leds flash? mine do nothing -- is this related to the asu image? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community attachment: Samsung-Battery.jpg___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
WG: Re: AW: RE: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down
I`ve done this with a samsung handy (sorry, it was not ericsson), exactly with the SGH-D600. The battery was the standard, here the S/N: NH1YB02CS/-5 and some other infos; TYPE: 3.7V. Li-ion Model: BST4389BE It`s a battery integrated in the cover (see attachment) Marco Ursprüngliche Nachricht Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Datum: 16.07.2008 18:36 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED], List for Openmoko community discussioncommunity@lists.openmoko.org Betreff: Re: AW: RE: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down Glad it helped, and thanks for the feedback. Can you please send me the part number of your ericson battery, for reference? Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I`ve done a jump start with a ericsson-battery, which have the same Volt. Now my FR has started up and the battery is charging :-) Thanks again for the tip! Ursprüngliche Nachricht Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Datum: 13.07.2008 17:16 An: List for Openmoko community discussioncommunity@lists.openmoko.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kopie: Michael Shiloh[EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: RE: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down If your battery falls below a certain level then FreeRunner sometimes will not charge it. We are working on fixes for this but in the short term you have these options. 1. Jump start your battery. Michael will explain how, Takes 5 seconds. 2. Get a stand alone battery charger from Nokia ( for battery types 4bl, 5bl, 6bl) 3. Get a replacement battery. Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of arne anka Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 7:32 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down while surfing the device-owners list i've stumbled over this: Sometimes it happened (I think to all of us! ;) ) that NEO1973's battery goesfully discharged, and for this I follow the instruction on the wiki pages(detach battery 20 seconds, attach to USB, wait 1 hour, start the Phone). anyway -- the guy posting this seemed to have killed his battery (not finished the thread yet). regarding you usb-only: maybe your usb port does not supply 500mAh? btw: your leds flash? mine do nothing -- is this related to the asu image? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community attachment: Samsung-Battery.jpg___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: AW: RE: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down
Ya jOERG, Micheal jump started my battery in about 2 seconds. It was a Young Frankenstein momement! Without the sparks or pretty assistents. Anyways, my reanimated battery still works fine. Anecdotal I know. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Shiloh Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 12:44 PM To: Joerg Reisenweber Cc: community@lists.openmoko.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: AW: RE: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down Joerg Reisenweber wrote: Am Mi 16. Juli 2008 schrieb Michael Shiloh: Joerg Reisenweber wrote: Jumpstart the battery is very unlikely to help you out. Joerg, can you explain this further? I've actually had excellent luck jump-starting the battery. I set my adjustable power supply at about 4.5V and I connect it directly to the battery terminals for just a second, then measure the voltage on the battery. If the battery voltage is still zero, I repeat. Usually after a few shocks the battery comes out of its internal under-voltage protection. I understand that GTA01 batteries have no hysteresis and need just one shock (in fact Werner said one electron I think) to come out of under-voltage protection. I understand that GTA02 batteries have hysteresis and require more coulombs injected before they will recover. I'm just suspicious a shock-reanimated battery holds enough power (=voltage) to bring us over the boot gap, and won't activate protection again just in no-time when we try to pull energy. That's all. Of course you can shockstart battery out of protect-mode, no doubt. But did you get a boot with such a bat? I thought so, yes, but I'll check again to verify. Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down
On Wednesday 16 July 2008, Federico Lorenzi wrote: So from my understanding the FR can run off USB but not boot off it? Software issue, not hardware. Once uBoot is updated to a recent version the FR should be able to boot off USB power with no battery. You will have to do this using dfu-util - see instructions in the wiki. Does anyone know which daily build bBoot version this was fixed in? On 7/15/08, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Clinton Ebadi wrote: Is there any point with the recent uboot patches to allow the system to boot far enough on usb alone to negotiate enough current for charging? I don't think so yet. This is being worked on and either I or someone else will post here when it's solved. Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down
patches only exist since yesterday On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 10:04 AM, Al Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 16 July 2008, Federico Lorenzi wrote: So from my understanding the FR can run off USB but not boot off it? Software issue, not hardware. Once uBoot is updated to a recent version the FR should be able to boot off USB power with no battery. You will have to do this using dfu-util - see instructions in the wiki. Does anyone know which daily build bBoot version this was fixed in? On 7/15/08, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Clinton Ebadi wrote: Is there any point with the recent uboot patches to allow the system to boot far enough on usb alone to negotiate enough current for charging? I don't think so yet. This is being worked on and either I or someone else will post here when it's solved. Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: AW: RE: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down
Glad it helped, and thanks for the feedback. Can you please send me the part number of your ericson battery, for reference? Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I`ve done a jump start with a ericsson-battery, which have the same Volt. Now my FR has started up and the battery is charging :-) Thanks again for the tip! Ursprüngliche Nachricht Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Datum: 13.07.2008 17:16 An: List for Openmoko community discussioncommunity@lists.openmoko.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kopie: Michael Shiloh[EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: RE: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down If your battery falls below a certain level then FreeRunner sometimes will not charge it. We are working on fixes for this but in the short term you have these options. 1. Jump start your battery. Michael will explain how, Takes 5 seconds. 2. Get a stand alone battery charger from Nokia ( for battery types 4bl, 5bl, 6bl) 3. Get a replacement battery. Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of arne anka Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 7:32 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down while surfing the device-owners list i've stumbled over this: Sometimes it happened (I think to all of us! ;) ) that NEO1973's battery goesfully discharged, and for this I follow the instruction on the wiki pages(detach battery 20 seconds, attach to USB, wait 1 hour, start the Phone). anyway -- the guy posting this seemed to have killed his battery (not finished the thread yet). regarding you usb-only: maybe your usb port does not supply 500mAh? btw: your leds flash? mine do nothing -- is this related to the asu image? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: AW: RE: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down
Joerg Reisenweber wrote: Jumpstart the battery is very unlikely to help you out. Joerg, can you explain this further? I've actually had excellent luck jump-starting the battery. I set my adjustable power supply at about 4.5V and I connect it directly to the battery terminals for just a second, then measure the voltage on the battery. If the battery voltage is still zero, I repeat. Usually after a few shocks the battery comes out of its internal under-voltage protection. I understand that GTA01 batteries have no hysteresis and need just one shock (in fact Werner said one electron I think) to come out of under-voltage protection. I understand that GTA02 batteries have hysteresis and require more coulombs injected before they will recover. Please explain, as I am writing this all up and want to explain it properly. Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down
That is exactly correct. Federico Lorenzi wrote: So from my understanding the FR can run off USB but not boot off it? On 7/15/08, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Clinton Ebadi wrote: Is there any point with the recent uboot patches to allow the system to boot far enough on usb alone to negotiate enough current for charging? I don't think so yet. This is being worked on and either I or someone else will post here when it's solved. Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: AW: RE: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down
Joerg Reisenweber wrote: Am Mi 16. Juli 2008 schrieb Michael Shiloh: Joerg Reisenweber wrote: Jumpstart the battery is very unlikely to help you out. Joerg, can you explain this further? I've actually had excellent luck jump-starting the battery. I set my adjustable power supply at about 4.5V and I connect it directly to the battery terminals for just a second, then measure the voltage on the battery. If the battery voltage is still zero, I repeat. Usually after a few shocks the battery comes out of its internal under-voltage protection. I understand that GTA01 batteries have no hysteresis and need just one shock (in fact Werner said one electron I think) to come out of under-voltage protection. I understand that GTA02 batteries have hysteresis and require more coulombs injected before they will recover. I'm just suspicious a shock-reanimated battery holds enough power (=voltage) to bring us over the boot gap, and won't activate protection again just in no-time when we try to pull energy. That's all. Of course you can shockstart battery out of protect-mode, no doubt. But did you get a boot with such a bat? I thought so, yes, but I'll check again to verify. Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Can't boot Freerunner without battery - Was: Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down
I assume this is planned, but I'll go ahead an say it. I think the Freerunner should have a software feature to detect when the battery is critically low and shutdown. Ideally, the boot process would also check the battery and refuse to boot(or at least require override) if the battery charge was below the critical mark. This would prevent the state where you have a dead battery and no way to charge it. Either this feature or the ability to boot from USB is a must for the end-user software load. I personally had no plans to buy extra batteries or external chargers. I would hate to have to should I lose track of my charge status and screw myself. -Steven On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 11:12 AM, Al Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The phone can't take 100mA from USB without asking, and the PMU enforces this. The AC PSU can supply more than this, as can most USB ports, but at this stage of the process the checks to see if this is available can't be done so we're limited to 100mA. When the old uBoot powered up the assorted chips the current would spike higher than 100mA which was fine with battery, but without battery the PMU would cut the power to stop violation of the USB 100mA limit. The new uBoot changes the power up sequence to try to keep the current below 100mA at all times. That's a rough outline anyway - full discussion in the kernel list archive. On Monday 14 July 2008, Steven ** wrote: The battery can delivery more power than the AC USB adapter? -Steven On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 1:18 AM, Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Mo 14. Juli 2008 schrieb Steven **: Perhaps it's been said before and I missed it... But why can't the Neo boot off USB power alone? Boils down to sth like powering up a whole town after blackout. All components drawing a spike of energy same moment, which USB can't deliver. -next blackout. Werner's new U-boot extenuates this somewhat, but as much of this is inside PMU hardcoded, SW can't do much. /jOERG ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Can't boot Freerunner without battery - Was: Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down
Werner has submitted 10 patches. see http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-July/003799.html It should no longer be a problem On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 6:09 PM, Steven ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I assume this is planned, but I'll go ahead an say it. I think the Freerunner should have a software feature to detect when the battery is critically low and shutdown. Ideally, the boot process would also check the battery and refuse to boot(or at least require override) if the battery charge was below the critical mark. This would prevent the state where you have a dead battery and no way to charge it. Either this feature or the ability to boot from USB is a must for the end-user software load. I personally had no plans to buy extra batteries or external chargers. I would hate to have to should I lose track of my charge status and screw myself. -Steven On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 11:12 AM, Al Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The phone can't take 100mA from USB without asking, and the PMU enforces this. The AC PSU can supply more than this, as can most USB ports, but at this stage of the process the checks to see if this is available can't be done so we're limited to 100mA. When the old uBoot powered up the assorted chips the current would spike higher than 100mA which was fine with battery, but without battery the PMU would cut the power to stop violation of the USB 100mA limit. The new uBoot changes the power up sequence to try to keep the current below 100mA at all times. That's a rough outline anyway - full discussion in the kernel list archive. On Monday 14 July 2008, Steven ** wrote: The battery can delivery more power than the AC USB adapter? -Steven On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 1:18 AM, Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Mo 14. Juli 2008 schrieb Steven **: Perhaps it's been said before and I missed it... But why can't the Neo boot off USB power alone? Boils down to sth like powering up a whole town after blackout. All components drawing a spike of energy same moment, which USB can't deliver. -next blackout. Werner's new U-boot extenuates this somewhat, but as much of this is inside PMU hardcoded, SW can't do much. /jOERG ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: AW: RE: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down
Thanks jOerg Michael can we get these instructions ( with pictures) on the wiki -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joerg Reisenweber Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 5:55 PM To: community@lists.openmoko.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: AW: RE: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down No use in connecting a FR to any source to charge bat, as long as it doesn't boot up. Actually it drains battery even further, instead of charging. Battery is only charged when booting succeeds. Jumpstart the battery is very unlikely to help you out. Get FR booted by any means 1.:Remove sim-card! 2.:Use wallcharger to startup. 3:borrow battery, apply 4.5V (5V!!!) to + and minus of battery connector in FR. After 5~10sec FR should come up and you don't need startup-battery or 4.5V-power-source any more - remove it! FR should run happily from wallcharger. Now *don't* power down, and insert dead battery. battery is going to charge now. Alternative way: find a charger for nokia-bat, or even use an old nokia to charge dead battery. e.g. 6230i. If you find a friend who could lend a battery to you, maybe he might prefer to take your bat and charge it for a short while. sorry for the inconvenience. Usually we shouldn't see dead batteries. We expect to fix the deep-discharge of bat at software side. The problems with no startup on dead bat are partially a hw-issue. Though Werner has a new u-boot that might help (coming soon), especially when you got a device that flashes red aux-led (good sign!). cheers jOERG Am So 13. Juli 2008 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: ok...I`ll wait for Michael`s explanation... thx Ursprüngliche Nachricht Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Datum: 13.07.2008 17:16 An: List for Openmoko community discussioncommunity@lists.openmoko.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kopie: Michael Shiloh[EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: RE: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down If your battery falls below a certain level then FreeRunner sometimes will not charge it. We are working on fixes for this but in the short term you have these options. 1. Jump start your battery. Michael will explain how, Takes 5 seconds. 2. Get a stand alone battery charger from Nokia ( for battery types 4bl, 5bl, 6bl) 3. Get a replacement battery. Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of arne anka Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 7:32 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down while surfing the device-owners list i've stumbled over this: Sometimes it happened (I think to all of us! ;) ) that NEO1973's battery goesfully discharged, and for this I follow the instruction on the wiki pages(detach battery 20 seconds, attach to USB, wait 1 hour, start the Phone). anyway -- the guy posting this seemed to have killed his battery (not finished the thread yet). regarding you usb-only: maybe your usb port does not supply 500mAh? btw: your leds flash? mine do nothing -- is this related to the asu image? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: AW: RE: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down
For best effects you should do this on a table which can be raised to the ceiling, during a lightening storm :-) Seriously, the goal is simply to provide 4.5VDC from some other source to allow the Freerunner to boot. A regulated adjustable power supply is an ideal source. The tricky part is connecting the power supply to pins in the Freerunner which would contact the battery. You'll want a steady hand and you should be very clear on what you are doing. I will write up the steps with pictures. Michael steve wrote: Thanks jOerg Michael can we get these instructions ( with pictures) on the wiki -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joerg Reisenweber Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 5:55 PM To: community@lists.openmoko.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: AW: RE: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down No use in connecting a FR to any source to charge bat, as long as it doesn't boot up. Actually it drains battery even further, instead of charging. Battery is only charged when booting succeeds. Jumpstart the battery is very unlikely to help you out. Get FR booted by any means 1.:Remove sim-card! 2.:Use wallcharger to startup. 3:borrow battery, apply 4.5V (5V!!!) to + and minus of battery connector in FR. After 5~10sec FR should come up and you don't need startup-battery or 4.5V-power-source any more - remove it! FR should run happily from wallcharger. Now *don't* power down, and insert dead battery. battery is going to charge now. Alternative way: find a charger for nokia-bat, or even use an old nokia to charge dead battery. e.g. 6230i. If you find a friend who could lend a battery to you, maybe he might prefer to take your bat and charge it for a short while. sorry for the inconvenience. Usually we shouldn't see dead batteries. We expect to fix the deep-discharge of bat at software side. The problems with no startup on dead bat are partially a hw-issue. Though Werner has a new u-boot that might help (coming soon), especially when you got a device that flashes red aux-led (good sign!). cheers jOERG Am So 13. Juli 2008 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: ok...I`ll wait for Michael`s explanation... thx Ursprüngliche Nachricht Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Datum: 13.07.2008 17:16 An: List for Openmoko community discussioncommunity@lists.openmoko.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kopie: Michael Shiloh[EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: RE: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down If your battery falls below a certain level then FreeRunner sometimes will not charge it. We are working on fixes for this but in the short term you have these options. 1. Jump start your battery. Michael will explain how, Takes 5 seconds. 2. Get a stand alone battery charger from Nokia ( for battery types 4bl, 5bl, 6bl) 3. Get a replacement battery. Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of arne anka Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 7:32 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down while surfing the device-owners list i've stumbled over this: Sometimes it happened (I think to all of us! ;) ) that NEO1973's battery goesfully discharged, and for this I follow the instruction on the wiki pages(detach battery 20 seconds, attach to USB, wait 1 hour, start the Phone). anyway -- the guy posting this seemed to have killed his battery (not finished the thread yet). regarding you usb-only: maybe your usb port does not supply 500mAh? btw: your leds flash? mine do nothing -- is this related to the asu image? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down
Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: For best effects you should do this on a table which can be raised to the ceiling, during a lightening storm :-) Seriously, the goal is simply to provide 4.5VDC from some other source to allow the Freerunner to boot. A regulated adjustable power supply is an ideal source. The tricky part is connecting the power supply to pins in the Freerunner which would contact the battery. You'll want a steady hand and you should be very clear on what you are doing. I will write up the steps with pictures. Is there any point with the recent uboot patches to allow the system to boot far enough on usb alone to negotiate enough current for charging? ([EMAIL PROTECTED] [PATCH 0/10] u-boot powering on from a dead battery and related posts on -kernel) -- RetroJ` here's something interesting about one of these chinese pop music videos I've found.. it illustrates the cultural barrier nicely. this young female pop star is wearing a t-shirt with the confederate flag ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down
Clinton Ebadi wrote: Is there any point with the recent uboot patches to allow the system to boot far enough on usb alone to negotiate enough current for charging? I don't think so yet. This is being worked on and either I or someone else will post here when it's solved. Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down
Am Mo 14. Juli 2008 schrieb Marco Trevisan (Treviño): Joerg Reisenweber wrote: Am Mo 14. Juli 2008 schrieb Marco Trevisan (Treviño): Michael Shiloh wrote: The final method involves charging the battery manually, enough to allow Freerunner to boot. This requires an external power supply of about 4.5 Volts and should be done only if you feel comfortable with electronics and hardware and understand about short circuits. Let me know if you want to do this and I'll instruct you privately. Well, maybe this could be useful for other owners, isn't it? We mustn't advice customers to try potentially destructive or even dangerous procedures. Thus no public howto for manual charge of LiIon batteries! Well, I don't think that one would to that just for fun... I figure that who will try a procedure like that is enough experienced and/or wants to risk with his own device. I'm simply saying that the method should be well documented in public (since it's not the first time that occurs) underlining that it's only a very dangerous tip and that the Om team doesn't suggest it, then everyone can decide if following it. PS: BTW I hope I won't use it since I've ordered also some extra an battery and I've some compatible ones near me; I just wanted to express my idea... Actually I don't recommend this, not even with warning note. There are better ways do cope with this: hotswap or external LiIon charger/other cellphone. Battery has max chrg V of ~4.2V and max I of ~1A. Anybody needing to know more on it, shouldn't even think about it. The ones who think they understood the above: formating charge current when bat is deeply discharged shouldn't even exceed 50~100mA! Otherwise U might kill bat. LiIon is tricky! /j signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down
Am Mo 14. Juli 2008 schrieb Ben Wilson: So the freerunner doesn't suffer from the problem in gta01 of squealing (and potential damage) if you remove the battery while it's charging? No reports so far. Seems we fixed that ;-) /j signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Can't boot Freerunner without battery - Was: Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down
Am Mo 14. Juli 2008 schrieb Steven **: Perhaps it's been said before and I missed it... But why can't the Neo boot off USB power alone? Boils down to sth like powering up a whole town after blackout. All components drawing a spike of energy same moment, which USB can't deliver. -next blackout. Werner's new U-boot extenuates this somewhat, but as much of this is inside PMU hardcoded, SW can't do much. /jOERG signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Can't boot Freerunner without battery - Was: Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down
The battery can delivery more power than the AC USB adapter? -Steven On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 1:18 AM, Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Mo 14. Juli 2008 schrieb Steven **: Perhaps it's been said before and I missed it... But why can't the Neo boot off USB power alone? Boils down to sth like powering up a whole town after blackout. All components drawing a spike of energy same moment, which USB can't deliver. -next blackout. Werner's new U-boot extenuates this somewhat, but as much of this is inside PMU hardcoded, SW can't do much. /jOERG ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Can't boot Freerunner without battery - Was: Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down
The phone can't take 100mA from USB without asking, and the PMU enforces this. The AC PSU can supply more than this, as can most USB ports, but at this stage of the process the checks to see if this is available can't be done so we're limited to 100mA. When the old uBoot powered up the assorted chips the current would spike higher than 100mA which was fine with battery, but without battery the PMU would cut the power to stop violation of the USB 100mA limit. The new uBoot changes the power up sequence to try to keep the current below 100mA at all times. That's a rough outline anyway - full discussion in the kernel list archive. On Monday 14 July 2008, Steven ** wrote: The battery can delivery more power than the AC USB adapter? -Steven On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 1:18 AM, Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Mo 14. Juli 2008 schrieb Steven **: Perhaps it's been said before and I missed it... But why can't the Neo boot off USB power alone? Boils down to sth like powering up a whole town after blackout. All components drawing a spike of energy same moment, which USB can't deliver. -next blackout. Werner's new U-boot extenuates this somewhat, but as much of this is inside PMU hardcoded, SW can't do much. /jOERG ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down
hi all last night, my qtopia mean that the batteries are down and i have to charge them...it was 2 o`clock AM and nobody will phone me at this time...so, i don`t charge them and let the batteries run down... now, if i put the charging unit on it, i just hear some damped tones out from the speaker and see the red led on the AUX button is flashing... i have no chance to bring the freerunner upneither in NAND nor in NOR-Flash and least of all not in the normal qtopia image.. :-( is anyone know this problem with the full discharge...? i try to flash it with the debug board... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down
have you tried removing the battery and start up it only with the USB cable? 2008/7/13 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: hi all last night, my qtopia mean that the batteries are down and i have to charge them...it was 2 o`clock AM and nobody will phone me at this time...so, i don`t charge them and let the batteries run down... now, if i put the charging unit on it, i just hear some damped tones out from the speaker and see the red led on the AUX button is flashing... i have no chance to bring the freerunner upneither in NAND nor in NOR-Flash and least of all not in the normal qtopia image.. :-( is anyone know this problem with the full discharge...? i try to flash it with the debug board... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
AW: Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down
yes, i triedbut it went nothing, beside the flashing from the AUX-button all 5 sec. combined with a strange trrr out from the speaker.. Ursprüngliche Nachricht Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Datum: 13.07.2008 15:48 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED], List for Openmoko community discussioncommunity@lists.openmoko.org Betreff: Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down have you tried removing the battery and start up it only with the USB cable? 2008/7/13 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: hi all last night, my qtopia mean that the batteries are down and i have to charge them...it was 2 o`clock AM and nobody will phone me at this time...so, i don`t charge them and let the batteries run down... now, if i put the charging unit on it, i just hear some damped tones out from the speaker and see the red led on the AUX button is flashing... i have no chance to bring the freerunner upneither in NAND nor in NOR- Flash and least of all not in the normal qtopia image.. :-( is anyone know this problem with the full discharge...? i try to flash it with the debug board... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down
Once I had to use the 230V charger instead of the normal pc-cable to get it booting again, maybe it can suck more energy from that. (Although it reports getting 500mAh from usb, too.) -Marcel Am Sonntag 13 Juli 2008 15:48:53 schrieb Francesco Cat: have you tried removing the battery and start up it only with the USB cable? 2008/7/13 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: hi all last night, my qtopia mean that the batteries are down and i have to charge them...it was 2 o`clock AM and nobody will phone me at this time...so, i don`t charge them and let the batteries run down... now, if i put the charging unit on it, i just hear some damped tones out from the speaker and see the red led on the AUX button is flashing... i have no chance to bring the freerunner upneither in NAND nor in NOR-Flash and least of all not in the normal qtopia image.. :-( is anyone know this problem with the full discharge...? i try to flash it with the debug board... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down
while surfing the device-owners list i've stumbled over this: Sometimes it happened (I think to all of us! ;) ) that NEO1973's battery goesfully discharged, and for this I follow the instruction on the wiki pages(detach battery 20 seconds, attach to USB, wait 1 hour, start the Phone). anyway -- the guy posting this seemed to have killed his battery (not finished the thread yet). regarding you usb-only: maybe your usb port does not supply 500mAh? btw: your leds flash? mine do nothing -- is this related to the asu image? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
AW: Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down
I`ve tried the 230V charger and the pc-cable too... Is there any institution for the debug board used with freerunner? Or is it the same as for neo 1973; http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Debug_Board_v3 Ursprüngliche Nachricht Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Datum: 13.07.2008 16:22 An: List for Openmoko community discussioncommunity@lists.openmoko.org Betreff: Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down Once I had to use the 230V charger instead of the normal pc-cable to get it booting again, maybe it can suck more energy from that. (Although it reports getting 500mAh from usb, too.) -Marcel Am Sonntag 13 Juli 2008 15:48:53 schrieb Francesco Cat: have you tried removing the battery and start up it only with the USB cable? 2008/7/13 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: hi all last night, my qtopia mean that the batteries are down and i have to charge them...it was 2 o`clock AM and nobody will phone me at this time...so, i don`t charge them and let the batteries run down... now, if i put the charging unit on it, i just hear some damped tones out from the speaker and see the red led on the AUX button is flashing... i have no chance to bring the freerunner upneither in NAND nor in NOR-Flash and least of all not in the normal qtopia image.. :-( is anyone know this problem with the full discharge...? i try to flash it with the debug board... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
AW: Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down
I`ve put right now the freerunner into my PC. Now, I`ll wait for 1 h. and check it again My usb-port should supply 500 mAh, cuz in the past, I`ve charged my freerunner over it I`ve the qtopia image installed, not the ASU...But I tried to start the boot-loader too, which is the original...It should be immaterial which image is installed or isn't it? Ursprüngliche Nachricht Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Datum: 13.07.2008 16:32 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED], List for Openmoko community discussioncommunity@lists.openmoko.org Betreff: Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down while surfing the device-owners list i've stumbled over this: Sometimes it happened (I think to all of us! ;) ) that NEO1973's battery goesfully discharged, and for this I follow the instruction on the wiki pages(detach battery 20 seconds, attach to USB, wait 1 hour, start the Phone). anyway -- the guy posting this seemed to have killed his battery (not finished the thread yet). regarding you usb-only: maybe your usb port does not supply 500mAh? btw: your leds flash? mine do nothing -- is this related to the asu image? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down
If your battery falls below a certain level then FreeRunner sometimes will not charge it. We are working on fixes for this but in the short term you have these options. 1. Jump start your battery. Michael will explain how, Takes 5 seconds. 2. Get a stand alone battery charger from Nokia ( for battery types 4bl, 5bl, 6bl) 3. Get a replacement battery. Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of arne anka Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 7:32 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down while surfing the device-owners list i've stumbled over this: Sometimes it happened (I think to all of us! ;) ) that NEO1973's battery goesfully discharged, and for this I follow the instruction on the wiki pages(detach battery 20 seconds, attach to USB, wait 1 hour, start the Phone). anyway -- the guy posting this seemed to have killed his battery (not finished the thread yet). regarding you usb-only: maybe your usb port does not supply 500mAh? btw: your leds flash? mine do nothing -- is this related to the asu image? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
AW: RE: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down
ok...I`ll wait for Michael`s explanation... thx Ursprüngliche Nachricht Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Datum: 13.07.2008 17:16 An: List for Openmoko community discussioncommunity@lists.openmoko.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kopie: Michael Shiloh[EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: RE: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down If your battery falls below a certain level then FreeRunner sometimes will not charge it. We are working on fixes for this but in the short term you have these options. 1. Jump start your battery. Michael will explain how, Takes 5 seconds. 2. Get a stand alone battery charger from Nokia ( for battery types 4bl, 5bl, 6bl) 3. Get a replacement battery. Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of arne anka Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 7:32 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down while surfing the device-owners list i've stumbled over this: Sometimes it happened (I think to all of us! ;) ) that NEO1973's battery goesfully discharged, and for this I follow the instruction on the wiki pages(detach battery 20 seconds, attach to USB, wait 1 hour, start the Phone). anyway -- the guy posting this seemed to have killed his battery (not finished the thread yet). regarding you usb-only: maybe your usb port does not supply 500mAh? btw: your leds flash? mine do nothing -- is this related to the asu image? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
AW: RE: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down
I`ve done a jump start with a ericsson-battery, which have the same Volt. Now my FR has started up and the battery is charging :-) Thanks again for the tip! Ursprüngliche Nachricht Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Datum: 13.07.2008 17:16 An: List for Openmoko community discussioncommunity@lists.openmoko.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kopie: Michael Shiloh[EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: RE: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down If your battery falls below a certain level then FreeRunner sometimes will not charge it. We are working on fixes for this but in the short term you have these options. 1. Jump start your battery. Michael will explain how, Takes 5 seconds. 2. Get a stand alone battery charger from Nokia ( for battery types 4bl, 5bl, 6bl) 3. Get a replacement battery. Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of arne anka Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 7:32 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down while surfing the device-owners list i've stumbled over this: Sometimes it happened (I think to all of us! ;) ) that NEO1973's battery goesfully discharged, and for this I follow the instruction on the wiki pages(detach battery 20 seconds, attach to USB, wait 1 hour, start the Phone). anyway -- the guy posting this seemed to have killed his battery (not finished the thread yet). regarding you usb-only: maybe your usb port does not supply 500mAh? btw: your leds flash? mine do nothing -- is this related to the asu image? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: AW: RE: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down
I`ve done a jump start care to elaborate? what does jump start mean? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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It mean the same as one know this from a car with a very low battery... (bridged ) just put another battery (I think it`s important, that the second battery have the same Volt) parallel to the original battery. If so, the FR can take the power from the two batteries... Ursprüngliche Nachricht Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Datum: 13.07.2008 23:18 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED], List for Openmoko community discussioncommunity@lists.openmoko.org Betreff: Re: AW: RE: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down I`ve done a jump start care to elaborate? what does jump start mean? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: AW: RE: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down
No use in connecting a FR to any source to charge bat, as long as it doesn't boot up. Actually it drains battery even further, instead of charging. Battery is only charged when booting succeeds. Jumpstart the battery is very unlikely to help you out. Get FR booted by any means 1.:Remove sim-card! 2.:Use wallcharger to startup. 3:borrow battery, apply 4.5V (5V!!!) to + and minus of battery connector in FR. After 5~10sec FR should come up and you don't need startup-battery or 4.5V-power-source any more - remove it! FR should run happily from wallcharger. Now *don't* power down, and insert dead battery. battery is going to charge now. Alternative way: find a charger for nokia-bat, or even use an old nokia to charge dead battery. e.g. 6230i. If you find a friend who could lend a battery to you, maybe he might prefer to take your bat and charge it for a short while. sorry for the inconvenience. Usually we shouldn't see dead batteries. We expect to fix the deep-discharge of bat at software side. The problems with no startup on dead bat are partially a hw-issue. Though Werner has a new u-boot that might help (coming soon), especially when you got a device that flashes red aux-led (good sign!). cheers jOERG Am So 13. Juli 2008 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: ok...I`ll wait for Michael`s explanation... thx Ursprüngliche Nachricht Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Datum: 13.07.2008 17:16 An: List for Openmoko community discussioncommunity@lists.openmoko.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kopie: Michael Shiloh[EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: RE: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down If your battery falls below a certain level then FreeRunner sometimes will not charge it. We are working on fixes for this but in the short term you have these options. 1. Jump start your battery. Michael will explain how, Takes 5 seconds. 2. Get a stand alone battery charger from Nokia ( for battery types 4bl, 5bl, 6bl) 3. Get a replacement battery. Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of arne anka Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 7:32 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down while surfing the device-owners list i've stumbled over this: Sometimes it happened (I think to all of us! ;) ) that NEO1973's battery goesfully discharged, and for this I follow the instruction on the wiki pages(detach battery 20 seconds, attach to USB, wait 1 hour, start the Phone). anyway -- the guy posting this seemed to have killed his battery (not finished the thread yet). regarding you usb-only: maybe your usb port does not supply 500mAh? btw: your leds flash? mine do nothing -- is this related to the asu image? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down
steve wrote: If your battery falls below a certain level then FreeRunner sometimes will not charge it. We are working on fixes for this but in the short term you have these options. 1. Jump start your battery. Michael will explain how, Takes 5 seconds. If I remember right, there's also a good explanation in this long thread by steve [1] in kernel list. [1] http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.kernel/3209 -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down
Hi, Your Freerunner is failing to boot with a dead (or missing) battery. Without booting, the Freerunner can not turn on the charger. There are 3 workarounds to this: The easiest workaround is to boot with a spare battery, which can be from another Neo (GTA01 or GTA02) or a Nokia BL-4C or BL-5C and I think also a BL-3C: 1. Boot with the spare battery and attach your charger. 2. Once your phone is booted, remove the spare battery. Freerunner will remain running, powered by charger 3. Insert dead battery and let it charge The second method involves charging your battery in an external charger. The final method involves charging the battery manually, enough to allow Freerunner to boot. This requires an external power supply of about 4.5 Volts and should be done only if you feel comfortable with electronics and hardware and understand about short circuits. Let me know if you want to do this and I'll instruct you privately. Regards, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi all last night, my qtopia mean that the batteries are down and i have to charge them...it was 2 o`clock AM and nobody will phone me at this time...so, i don`t charge them and let the batteries run down... now, if i put the charging unit on it, i just hear some damped tones out from the speaker and see the red led on the AUX button is flashing... i have no chance to bring the freerunner upneither in NAND nor in NOR-Flash and least of all not in the normal qtopia image.. :-( is anyone know this problem with the full discharge...? i try to flash it with the debug board... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: AW: Re: AW: RE: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down
Am So 13. Juli 2008 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: It mean the same as one know this from a car with a very low battery... (bridged ) just put another battery (I think it`s important, that the second battery have the same Volt) parallel to the original battery. If so, the FR can take the power from the two batteries... This might fail: if your battery is dead, it has low voltage. Now you jumpstart with a second battery, and FR boots. But same time the dead bat's internal protection might trigger for too high charging current from much higher voltage from parallel battery. This protection circuit needs to reset, what might not happen until you stop to try to charge it, and in fact discharge it a short while. So it's better practice to start the FR just from the good battery, and insert the dead one after boot has completed and jumpstart bat has been removed. /jOERG signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down
Michael Shiloh wrote: The final method involves charging the battery manually, enough to allow Freerunner to boot. This requires an external power supply of about 4.5 Volts and should be done only if you feel comfortable with electronics and hardware and understand about short circuits. Let me know if you want to do this and I'll instruct you privately. Well, maybe this could be useful for other owners, isn't it? -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down
Am Mo 14. Juli 2008 schrieb Marco Trevisan (Treviño): Michael Shiloh wrote: The final method involves charging the battery manually, enough to allow Freerunner to boot. This requires an external power supply of about 4.5 Volts and should be done only if you feel comfortable with electronics and hardware and understand about short circuits. Let me know if you want to do this and I'll instruct you privately. Well, maybe this could be useful for other owners, isn't it? We mustn't advice customers to try potentially destructive or even dangerous procedures. Thus no public howto for manual charge of LiIon batteries! /jOERG signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Can't boot Freerunner without battery - Was: Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down
Perhaps it's been said before and I missed it... But why can't the Neo boot off USB power alone? -Steven On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 8:41 PM, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Your Freerunner is failing to boot with a dead (or missing) battery. Without booting, the Freerunner can not turn on the charger. There are 3 workarounds to this: The easiest workaround is to boot with a spare battery, which can be from another Neo (GTA01 or GTA02) or a Nokia BL-4C or BL-5C and I think also a BL-3C: 1. Boot with the spare battery and attach your charger. 2. Once your phone is booted, remove the spare battery. Freerunner will remain running, powered by charger 3. Insert dead battery and let it charge The second method involves charging your battery in an external charger. The final method involves charging the battery manually, enough to allow Freerunner to boot. This requires an external power supply of about 4.5 Volts and should be done only if you feel comfortable with electronics and hardware and understand about short circuits. Let me know if you want to do this and I'll instruct you privately. Regards, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi all last night, my qtopia mean that the batteries are down and i have to charge them...it was 2 o`clock AM and nobody will phone me at this time...so, i don`t charge them and let the batteries run down... now, if i put the charging unit on it, i just hear some damped tones out from the speaker and see the red led on the AUX button is flashing... i have no chance to bring the freerunner upneither in NAND nor in NOR-Flash and least of all not in the normal qtopia image.. :-( is anyone know this problem with the full discharge...? i try to flash it with the debug board... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down
Joerg Reisenweber wrote: Am Mo 14. Juli 2008 schrieb Marco Trevisan (Treviño): Michael Shiloh wrote: The final method involves charging the battery manually, enough to allow Freerunner to boot. This requires an external power supply of about 4.5 Volts and should be done only if you feel comfortable with electronics and hardware and understand about short circuits. Let me know if you want to do this and I'll instruct you privately. Well, maybe this could be useful for other owners, isn't it? We mustn't advice customers to try potentially destructive or even dangerous procedures. Thus no public howto for manual charge of LiIon batteries! Well, I don't think that one would to that just for fun... I figure that who will try a procedure like that is enough experienced and/or wants to risk with his own device. I'm simply saying that the method should be well documented in public (since it's not the first time that occurs) underlining that it's only a very dangerous tip and that the Om team doesn't suggest it, then everyone can decide if following it. PS: BTW I hope I won't use it since I've ordered also some extra an battery and I've some compatible ones near me; I just wanted to express my idea... -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down
So the freerunner doesn't suffer from the problem in gta01 of squealing (and potential damage) if you remove the battery while it's charging? Ben. Michael Shiloh wrote: 2. Once your phone is booted, remove the spare battery. Freerunner will remain running, powered by charger ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
