Re: Meta Toolchain Release (2008 May)
On 5/26/08, Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | No package 'libjana' found | No package 'libjana-ecal' found | No package 'libjana-gtk' found | | Any ideas, suggestions or can anyone provide with the required libraries ? Presumably the actual target libs you want are sitting there in the OM distribution packages, and the includes and other bits and bobs are likewise just sitting there in the -dev OM distribution packages. I was able to package a working toolchain (atleast it builds openmoko-dialer2) which includes the missing libs mentioned above and few others. As you said most of the libs were included the OM dist. What we need is to enable to install these into the toolchain somehow, rather than make that a special do it at the factory operation to get things into toolchain. Agreed, but till that time if anyone is interested in the toolchain I can put it up somewhere. -- Pranav - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkg6gWsACgkQOjLpvpq7dMr71ACfWlivwGdXgp6Y+Pwd0lU3diSS 0NsAn1xKw6LKHlCRzqjn+8UxjCDMmaNp =UQXh -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA01 battery charge circuit: ID pin?
Am Sa 24. Mai 2008 schrieb Major A: Hi, I have a GTA01 and want to use it even when I don't carry a computer with me. I read that the battery charge circuit of the GTA02 will switch to high current if a 48k resistor is present between the mini-USB ID pin and ground. Does this also apply to the GTA01, i.e., is it worth hacking up a cable for that model? 47k (no need for 48k-1% ;) detection is defined and built in to the hardware of GTA01 as well - just checked the old schematics and datasheets. Dunno whether the sw is handling it correctly... HTH jOERG signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: software load for first mfg run of Freerunner? Is ASU what ships?
Am Mo 26. Mai 2008 schrieb Steffen Winkler: stupid question: but for what stands ASU? Abgas Sonder Untersuchung - hey you're no German guy?! ;-) maybe we should find a better name - yea it's hard with all these Spanish and German ambiguities. Let's wait and see what's next... LOL. Siemens spends million$ for just finding names. Sony spent even much more, for a name sounding good all over the world. /j signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Available Encryption algorithms
Am Di 27. Mai 2008 schrieb David Pottage: If there is a difference between what the spec sheet for the GSM modem supports and what the AT command says is supported, then my guess would be that the GSM modem is also considering what is permitted by the network SIM card. Alternatively there may be a bug in the OpenMoko software that runs and interprets that AT command. -- David Pottage Exactly (point #1). The raw AT-cmds aren't mangled by any OM-sw (libgsmd-tool, atcmd) AFAIK. /jOERG signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Car Mode Application...
Am Di 27. Mai 2008 schrieb Staley, Daniel L: * If someone calls while the program is running, ideally I would like the program to pause all music etc and say Incoming call from Fred and display 2 large buttons Ignore and Accept. If accept is pressed, I want the phone to go into speakerphone mode, but still to route the audio to the car speakers. I'm wondering if it would be possible to cancel out the repeating of the caller's audio back into the microphone? I'm not up to date on my noise cancellation techniques ;). If this doesnt seem plausable, just going into speakerphone mode, or talking through a bluetooth headset will be acceptable. I think there's a decent amount of feedback killing in the GSM-module, like in every cellphone (just has to be setup correctly), as well as in your GSM-provider's gateway. Furthermore you may preprocess the sound prior to routing it to the GSM-module, by some echo-suppressor/echo-canceler. But I think you won't be happy with the built-in mic, for usage far from speaker in a noisy car. Probably a BT-headset is the better solution. There are BT-speakermic-devices for integration in your seat's head-support, probably worth to try. (just a note: you must not use Freerunner speaker and headset connector concurrently. At least using the speaker will produce unpredictable volume on left ear channel of wired headset. Sorry I was to late to stop this for GTA02 - wonder about ringtones :-/ When I forget to pull out the headphones when throwing FR on the table; or when I connect FR to my stereo to play music and a call comes in...) The rest sounds good to me. Just curious about the FM-connection to your car-radio... And you will need a car-USB-charger ;-) cheers jOERG signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Any Stats on Battery life....
Marco Trevisan (Treviño) schrieb: Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: Finally I've found something! Einstein from freeyourphone.de got a Freerunner and started a very good report [1] Just to notify: Einstein has updated his post [1] with a battery test done using the mwester suspend-enabled kernel [2] and, if I've understood well (I don't speak German, if someone could help [also translating his reports]...), he got about 12hours of use. He doesn't specify what has done, but I figure a standard daily use... [1] http://tinyurl.com/55tt3h [2] http://moko.mwester.net/ so i try to translate the important things: The test was on a Freerunner used the kernel from mike with the suspend mode. He used the OM Software because the ASU was hangup with the suspend mode. the display turned off completly and was going back on when a call was incomming. (he sayed it wasen't so with the none suspend mode) the phone was running a bit over 12 hours. .. but i think the real interesting things are already translated and posted to this list. so i don't know if it would be realy interresting for you to have a full translation of the reports. But you could ask einstein if he would post it also in english. :) oh wait, i try it : @Einstein :could you plase post your reports also in english ? Bitte, bitte, bitte, bitte ... and so on .. [Platzhalter für alle guten Argumente, warum du das machen solltest. ... Bitte selber ausfüllen ... :) ] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Library can handle MP3 id3tag encoding
2008/5/27 Bin Chen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: HI, Is there a good library can handle MP3 id3tag encoding easily? there is a good one for python...which also does ok job for vorbis and flac pytags i think not sure which language you were asking for... JW ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: My experience with the Freerunner
I tried out the ASU software update on my GTA01 tonight, and took a short video of it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ISHrtuQuGM The interface seems really responsive, way better than the GTK version. The keyboard seems quite nice, and worked well with a stylus (better than the video might suggest, I was working around the camera). There are a bunch of little glitches in the graphics, and most of the applications seem to be nonexistent. The sliding interface seems odd, however I will reserve judgment on it for now. Cheers, Matt Kevin Dean wrote: Yeah, there are GTA01 images for the ASU, I've tested them. Not too much to report, ASU is almost totally non-functional but it gives a good view of it's potential. I planned on doing video over this weekend but I got sick for the first time in almost three years. *growls* On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 3:48 PM, Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: steve wrote: Ian got a phone with the Apps based on GTK. everyone will. However, I wanted to let the community see the NEXT STEP. So the next step ( ASU) is now public. you need a GTA02 to appreciate it. and even then it's a raw first look at pre alpha software. Actually, I believe they started making images for gta01 as well. http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/neo1973/deploy/glibc/images/neo1973/ They are the Openmoko-openmoko-qtopia-x11-image files. Be sure to also update your kernel. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Fwd: u-blox binary protocol boilerplate code]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | On Wed, 28 May 2008 03:08:24 +0200, Michael Shiloh | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | | I'd like to request if there's any boilerplate code available to deal | with the binary protocol as provided by the FreeRunner's u-blox chip? | This would be a great help to us. | | What's the advantage of that binary protocol over NMEA? Does it convey | more information? Is Freerunner going to have the GPS chip run in the | binary mode? There are some commands that only operate in the proprietary binary format... the main NMEA sentences though contain everything you would normally expect from GPS and spew once per second automatically. The binary and NMEA stuff coexists on the same UART. Some stuff like stashing and restoring the data it took time to get from the satellites is done in the proprietary binary mode, handy to recover GPS quickly from suspend for example. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkg9HioACgkQOjLpvpq7dMoCGwCcDklgvlijQsudLyJ77a1kzjyx 8XYAnj839qFIAaBjwvVa0dWs/N4x31K7 =vwb/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Fwd: u-blox binary protocol boilerplate code]
We're looking to develop a combined DGPS and A-GPS application for the platform, for which we need the data contained within this binary protocol. We're already using an application that gets GPS data from GPSD (TangoGPS), one that gets its data from the FreeRunner's internal serial port (an in house produced geo-tagging application); but now we're thinking of higher accuracy applications. All will be released at openarchaeology.net when it's ready. Joseph 2008/5/28 Alexey Feldgendler [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, 28 May 2008 03:08:24 +0200, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like to request if there's any boilerplate code available to deal with the binary protocol as provided by the FreeRunner's u-blox chip? This would be a great help to us. What's the advantage of that binary protocol over NMEA? Does it convey more information? Is Freerunner going to have the GPS chip run in the binary mode? -- Alexey Feldgendler [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ICQ: 115226275] http://feldgendler.livejournal.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Library can handle MP3 id3tag encoding
On 05/27/2008 09:58 PM, Bin Chen wrote: Is there a good library can handle MP3 id3tag encoding easily? AFAIK, the encoding that in the id3tag can't be decided, it maybe ASCII, UTF-8 and others which sometimes cause the software to decode some error character. The libid3tag can do raw reading to id3tag but not handle the encoding easily. Have you looked at TagLib? http://developer.kde.org/~wheeler/taglib.html (Though it's at the KDE website, it doesn't require the KDE libs.) Don't know how well it handles encodings, but MythMusic recently switched from libid3tag to TagLib. Mike ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Fwd: u-blox binary protocol boilerplate code]
On Wed, 28 May 2008 03:08:24 +0200, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like to request if there's any boilerplate code available to deal with the binary protocol as provided by the FreeRunner's u-blox chip? This would be a great help to us. What's the advantage of that binary protocol over NMEA? Does it convey more information? Is Freerunner going to have the GPS chip run in the binary mode? -- Alexey Feldgendler [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ICQ: 115226275] http://feldgendler.livejournal.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo as cellular modem?
On Wed, 28 May 2008 02:15:16 +0200, Matt Mets [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It might also be cool to have the Freerunner act as a wireless router! Instant (slow) internet anywhere... In ad-hoc network mode only. AFAIK the WiFi chip used in the Freerunner doesn't support AP mode. -- Alexey Feldgendler [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ICQ: 115226275] http://feldgendler.livejournal.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Library can handle MP3 id3tag encoding
On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 11:10 +0100, JW wrote: there is a good one for python...which also does ok job for vorbis and flac pytags i think not sure which language you were asking for... Also: http://www.sacredchao.net/quodlibet/wiki/Development/Mutagen signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Car Mode Application...
Tadaaa.. the missing piece for the perfect Freerunner.. On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 8:24 PM, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ramsesoriginal wrote: Sounds all pretty intresting. The only problem I see is that 'till now we only have a location, but not a navigation app (even if that shouldn't be a probelm, when we have reliable maps). Why not? Navit [1] should do the work...! [1] http://www.navit-project.org/ -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- My corner of the web: http://blog.ramsesoriginal.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Fwd: u-blox binary protocol boilerplate code]
On Wednesday 28 May 2008 11:46:45 Joseph Reeves wrote: We're looking to develop a combined DGPS and A-GPS application for the platform, for which we need the data contained within this binary protocol. That sounds great - I presume you need access to the RXM-RAW message which to the best of my knowledge is not available/accessible on all Antaris chips due to licensing/firmware reasons. Could anybody confirm that it is possible to access the RXM-RAW information from the Antaris chip in the Freerunner? That would be really great news because without it DGPS would be impossible... -- beren ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Fwd: u-blox binary protocol boilerplate code]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | On Wednesday 28 May 2008 11:46:45 Joseph Reeves wrote: | We're looking to develop a combined DGPS and A-GPS application for the | platform, for which we need the data contained within this binary protocol. | | That sounds great - I presume you need access to the RXM-RAW message which to | the best of my knowledge is not available/accessible on all Antaris chips due | to licensing/firmware reasons. Could anybody confirm that it is possible to | access the RXM-RAW information from the Antaris chip in the Freerunner? That | would be really great news because without it DGPS would be impossible... All I can say is that RMX-RAW format UBX messages are defined in a public magic chm (Okular will eat it, rather slowly) file, if they are licensed or work I have no idea. http://www.u-blox.com/customersupport/gps.g3/ANTARIS_Protocol_Specification(GPS.G3-X-03002).chm - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkg9X4EACgkQOjLpvpq7dMossACgiJjFoaLSHoGKe56OOkzPmUvy 5f4An0xi3TU/A3Y/M6jKReWjqQYmlURP =MPht -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 3G USB Dongle (was Re: Neo as cellular modem?)
Andy I have one of these 3G dongles, it should work from Freerunner battery OK since we have a charge pump for the full 500mA it is allowed to pull. this verizon dongle comes with a Y cable of its own to plug into two usb host ports... ostensibly because it pulls more than 500mA. -- Brad ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Car Mode Application...
Bluetooth headset is not bad. It's certainly still useable. Hmmmso it isnt advised to use the headset jack and the external speakers at the same timeI'm wondering, do all sounds get routed to the headset device when it is plugged in? If it doesnt do this, surely we can configure pulseaudio to? As for the FM transmitter, I was just going have something like this: http://www.google.com/products/catalog?hl=enrls=com.microsoft:en-usq=FM+transmitterum=1cid=8369282666750210988 So ideally, I'm going to have the car charger plugged into the usb port, the FM transmitter plugged into the headphone jack, a GPS antenna connected to the antenna port, and a bluetooth headset paired with it via bluetooth. Haha! It's good to hear there are no feasable problems initially. I'm finishing up a different project I'm working on right now, and will start drawing up code flow diagrams etc soon. One question I still have though: Is it possible to catch the incoming call signal from the GSM modem before the dialer app gets it, and handle all the call stuff in my app? Will I need to rework all of the call taking code? Or is there an interface into the current call taking code that I can talk to, possibly over dbus? -Dan Staley From: Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 12:53 AM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Cc: Staley, Daniel L Subject: Re: Car Mode Application... Am Di 27. Mai 2008 schrieb Staley, Daniel L: * If someone calls while the program is running, ideally I would like the program to pause all music etc and say Incoming call from Fred and display 2 large buttons Ignore and Accept. If accept is pressed, I want the phone to go into speakerphone mode, but still to route the audio to the car speakers. I'm wondering if it would be possible to cancel out the repeating of the caller's audio back into the microphone? I'm not up to date on my noise cancellation techniques ;). If this doesnt seem plausable, just going into speakerphone mode, or talking through a bluetooth headset will be acceptable. I think there's a decent amount of feedback killing in the GSM-module, like in every cellphone (just has to be setup correctly), as well as in your GSM-provider's gateway. Furthermore you may preprocess the sound prior to routing it to the GSM-module, by some echo-suppressor/echo-canceler. But I think you won't be happy with the built-in mic, for usage far from speaker in a noisy car. Probably a BT-headset is the better solution. There are BT-speakermic-devices for integration in your seat's head-support, probably worth to try. (just a note: you must not use Freerunner speaker and headset connector concurrently. At least using the speaker will produce unpredictable volume on left ear channel of wired headset. Sorry I was to late to stop this for GTA02 - wonder about ringtones :-/ When I forget to pull out the headphones when throwing FR on the table; or when I connect FR to my stereo to play music and a call comes in...) The rest sounds good to me. Just curious about the FM-connection to your car-radio... And you will need a car-USB-charger ;-) cheers jOERG ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Fwd: u-blox binary protocol boilerplate code]
According to the datasheet for the chip ATR0635, DGPS is a supported feature: http://www.u-blox.com/products/Data_Sheets/ATR0630_35_SglChip_Data_Sheet(GPS.G4-X-06009).pdf If I'm reading this correct, we've also got supersense available, which should improve accuracy. I'll be the first to admit, however, that I really am not the best person to talk to about the technical side of such things. Joseph 2008/5/28 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wednesday 28 May 2008 11:46:45 Joseph Reeves wrote: We're looking to develop a combined DGPS and A-GPS application for the platform, for which we need the data contained within this binary protocol. That sounds great - I presume you need access to the RXM-RAW message which to the best of my knowledge is not available/accessible on all Antaris chips due to licensing/firmware reasons. Could anybody confirm that it is possible to access the RXM-RAW information from the Antaris chip in the Freerunner? That would be really great news because without it DGPS would be impossible... -- beren ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 3G USB Dongle (was Re: Neo as cellular modem?)
That must be a really power hungry one... I plan on using my 3G / HSDPA Nokia E51 with the FreeRunner, probably over Bluetooth, but if that is too slow, then I'll give USB a shot. It doesn't charge over USB, so it shouldn't need too much power. Cheers, Federico On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 3:46 PM, Brad Midgley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andy I have one of these 3G dongles, it should work from Freerunner battery OK since we have a charge pump for the full 500mA it is allowed to pull. this verizon dongle comes with a Y cable of its own to plug into two usb host ports... ostensibly because it pulls more than 500mA. -- Brad ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Converting Blackberry contacts into QTopia
I won't say it was easy or pretty, but I did it. The only two things I really need the Blackberry for (apart from stable calling :-)) are the password safe (which I have written a replacement for, and others exist), and the alarm clock (might have to put a new fresh battery in my alarm watch). Trying to cut the umbilical cord to my Blackberry 7290 before its aging bones turn to dust, I've been moving stuff to my ASU-software Freerunner. Note that ** I do not advocate that anybody else do this yet**. I'm just documenting what I did in case anybody else likes living on the edge (Hey, I run OpenBSD -current on my laptop, so I can put up with e.g., OpenOffice being broken for a day or two while I resolve conflicting ports updates). Or if somebody wants to try this once things are more stable :-) 1) Getting contacts out of Blackberry (requires Unix or Linux, might work on Windows with emulation of UNIX: cygwin, mingw, etc). Download 'barry' from http://www.netdirect.ca/software/packages/barry/ Run btool to dump the Contacts database to contacts.txt (I forget the exact syntax here, sorry). Do NOT use the LDIF option! 2) Convert contacts to SQL format for SQLite. Download my barrycontacts2qtsql from http://www.darwinsys.com/openmoko/barrycontacts2qtsql Or, setup an anoncvs form my repo as per instructions at http://javacook.darwinsys.com/download.html; it's in the scripts project, as are the backup and restore scripts cited below (hundreds of other UNIX shell scripts too); this way you'll get updates if I make any. Run it: awk -F': +' -f $(SCRIPTS)/barrycontacts2qtsql contacts.txt contacts.sql 3) Grab a copy of the existing database ian:15$ cat bkup_om_contacts #!/bin/sh scp phone2:/Applications/Qtopia/qtopia_db.sqlite ~/openmoko/ 4) Merge bb contacts into sqlite In theory using any sql database tool (I used my own SQLRunner tool (see http://javacook.darwinsys.com/download.html) with the sqlite-jdbc driver from www.zentus.com/sqlitejdbc/ - but that is a LOT of work for you to set up; you can probably use the sqlite-browser from http://sqlitebrowser.sourceforge.net/ and use the Import Database feature (which does allow you to add to an existing database). Untested though. 5) Make sure Contacts is not running, then Scp the merged database back to the phone. ian:16$ cat restore_om_contacts #!/bin/sh scp ~/openmoko/qtopia_db.sqlite phone2:/Applications/Qtopia/ ian:17$ 6) Lauch the Contacts application. I now have 800 or so entries in my Contacts list! For information on setting up TCP/IP to the phone, don't ask me, it's on the Wiki. The three scripts of mine that I mention here can be downloaded in updated versions from my private CVS repo ; see the above download.html page for details. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
multi-tutch?
hey given pro-linux.de (german news site)is right, MPX http://wearables.unisa.edu.au/mpx/ is now a part of Xorg, and I can remember that the display of the freerunner was ready for multituch, so coud it be possible that the freerunner/openmoko is capable of multituch within might a year ? (I am aware that that isnt prioryty it woud just be nice to know) Or I am completly wrong and it isn`t possible ? Jan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 3G USB Dongle (was Re: Neo as cellular modem?)
Joerg On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 2:30 AM, Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Mi 28. Mai 2008 schrieb Brad Midgley: i think it may still be up in the air Nope it's not, see Y-cable in wiki. Should work perfectly. You just have to find the 5pin-mini-USB-plug to DIY one. is EN_USBHOST is deasserted by the system automatically now? I'll update the section in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware if it is. -- Brad ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 3G USB Dongle (was Re: Neo as cellular modem?)
Andy ~ It certainly works out OK for USB memory sticks anyway. Battery life will be impacted it is fair to say though. not to sound like too much of a nut... I love my portable tech gear... but there is a battery-operated hub that might be interesting to toss in the mix (CP-H420MP). I'm ordering one now to try it together with everything. If we have pppd in the rootfs I will give it a spin later, since I got it working on my laptop using pppd and magic dialler / expect type scripts. ppp stuff is either in the rootfs or it is just an opkg install away. I had to add option and usbserial from the modules tarball. -- Brad ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Any Stats on Battery life....
Hi, yesterday my Freerunner runs over 12hours. I charged it over night, 7hours without fast charge. Only GSM was on. Your're right with the daily use. i have a short call, become an sms, write one and at least two reboots. Also i waked up the device all 30 minutes to see the battery state. At the moment i have a second run, so i will top the 12 hours, i feel 14 ;) Today i become an call and after this, the freerunner don't go back to suspend. I reboot the device, after that, the suspend mode is working :/ Also i will test how long you can call with it... Greets Einstein Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: Finally I've found something! Einstein from freeyourphone.de got a Freerunner and started a very good report [1] Just to notify: Einstein has updated his post [1] with a battery test done using the mwester suspend-enabled kernel [2] and, if I've understood well (I don't speak German, if someone could help [also translating his reports]...), he got about 12hours of use. He doesn't specify what has done, but I figure a standard daily use... [1] http://tinyurl.com/55tt3h [2] http://moko.mwester.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
A disturbance in the force?
Once today, while my FreeRunner was plugged in on USB, I tapped the screen to wake it up, and it came up, but all the pixels in text were jiggly, as though the screen were being refreshed at the wrong rate. When I called up the qwerty keyboard, it appeared quite scrambled. Sadly I didn't have a video camera trained on it at the time, and by the time I whipped out my pocket video camera, it had gone into suspend mode; when I hit the power button to awaken it, the problem was gone! I know it's not my eyesight :-) This really happened. But only once. I'll make sure I have the video camera handy in case it comes back, although, recording a 640x480 video of the freerunner will be pretty grainy and probably won't accurately show the problem (due to things like refresh rates)... Sigh. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
QTopia Contacts issue
Now that I have so many contacts, it would be nice if you had more control over the list format. The only choices I see (under Options-Display Settings) are First Last or Company and Last,First or Company. I'd like to see an option that allowed company names and person names to be intermixed, so I had one big alphabetical list. Should this kind of thing go to the QTopia mailing list or forums, or should we still post general QTopia issues found under OM to this list? Thanks Ian Darwin ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Car Mode Application...
Am Mi 28. Mai 2008 schrieb Staley, Daniel L: One question I still have though: Is it possible to catch the incoming call signal from the GSM modem before the dialer app gets it, and handle all the call stuff in my app? Will I need to rework all of the call taking code? Or is there an interface into the current call taking code that I can talk to, possibly over dbus? The way I understand it (I'm *NO* OM-sw-guy!) the gsmd will start the dialer app on inbound call, then communicate with it over dbus. probably you can kick out the original dialer and have gsmd start your app instead. I think it shouldn't be rocket science to have this even configurable to switch profiles on the fly. Not sure anyway if the original dialer has some methods to talk to via dbus, but in the end it's called bus, so probably you even can register for the same events like dialer and talk to gsmd concurrently to dialer, which shouldn't have to say much as long as it's not triggered by user-interaction. Again, please note: I have not the slightest idea yet of all this, just doing hw for gta03+, no time for recent sw ;-) cheers jOERG signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: multi-tutch?
I'm sorry to disappoint you, but the Freerunner is (afaik!) not multitouch capable. -Marcel Am Mittwoch 28 Mai 2008 17:17:56 schrieb Jan Stöckel: hey given pro-linux.de (german news site)is right, MPX http://wearables.unisa.edu.au/mpx/ is now a part of Xorg, and I can remember that the display of the freerunner was ready for multituch, so coud it be possible that the freerunner/openmoko is capable of multituch within might a year ? (I am aware that that isnt prioryty it woud just be nice to know) Or I am completly wrong and it isn`t possible ? Jan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 3G USB Dongle (was Re: Neo as cellular modem?)
Am Mi 28. Mai 2008 schrieb Brad Midgley: Joerg On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 2:30 AM, Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Mi 28. Mai 2008 schrieb Brad Midgley: i think it may still be up in the air Nope it's not, see Y-cable in wiki. Should work perfectly. You just have to find the 5pin-mini-USB-plug to DIY one. is EN_USBHOST is deasserted by the system automatically now? I'll update the section in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware if it is. No idea, it's a driver issue. On detection of 47k device is switching to fastcharge, which I think is actually working. Also it should activate LOGICAL hostmode for USB-controller same time (NOT asserting EN_USBHOST!), which is needed for Y-Cable and doesn't hurt charger. I don't have the slightest idea whether this already is in kernel or not. Andy? /jOERG signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: multi-tutch?
Am Mi 28. Mai 2008 schrieb Jan Stöckel: hey given pro-linux.de (german news site)is right, MPX http://wearables.unisa.edu.au/mpx/ is now a part of Xorg, and I can remember that the display of the freerunner was ready for multituch, so coud it be possible that the freerunner/openmoko is capable of multituch within might a year ? (I am aware that that isnt prioryty it woud just be nice to know) Or I am completly wrong and it isn`t possible ? FR-TS is a resistive-4wire-type, which per se isn't capable of multitouch. I plan to investigate on some very hackerish tricks to get a little more of info out of this design, but for now: NO not possible. /jOERG signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: multi-tutch?
ke, 2008-05-28 kello 17:17 +0200, Jan Stöckel kirjoitti: hey given pro-linux.de (german news site)is right, MPX http://wearables.unisa.edu.au/mpx/ is now a part of Xorg, and I can remember that the display of the freerunner was ready for multituch, [...] Or I am completly wrong and it isn`t possible ? Yes. It isn't. -- Mikko Rauhala - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - URL:http://www.iki.fi/mjr/ Transhumanist - WTA member - URL:http://www.transhumanism.org/ Singularitarian - SIAI supporter - URL:http://www.singinst.org/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: multi-tutch?
As Marcel said, I believe it's a hardware issue - the touch-screen device itself needs to support multiple touch points. The one on the freerunner, if there are 2 points being pressed at once, for example, returns the geometric average point between them. Perhaps GTA03 On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 12:58 PM, Marcel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sorry to disappoint you, but the Freerunner is (afaik!) not multitouch capable. -Marcel Am Mittwoch 28 Mai 2008 17:17:56 schrieb Jan Stöckel: hey given pro-linux.de (german news site)is right, MPX http://wearables.unisa.edu.au/mpx/ is now a part of Xorg, and I can remember that the display of the freerunner was ready for multituch, so coud it be possible that the freerunner/openmoko is capable of multituch within might a year ? (I am aware that that isnt prioryty it woud just be nice to know) Or I am completly wrong and it isn`t possible ? Jan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: multi-tutch?
The capacitive touchscreen of the Freerunner only detects a single point and it will not be possible to change that. So no, the Freerunner is not multitouch ready and will most likely never be. On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 5:17 PM, Jan Stöckel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hey given pro-linux.de (german news site)is right, MPX http://wearables.unisa.edu.au/mpx/ is now a part of Xorg, and I can remember that the display of the freerunner was ready for multituch, so coud it be possible that the freerunner/openmoko is capable of multituch within might a year ? (I am aware that that isnt prioryty it woud just be nice to know) Or I am completly wrong and it isn`t possible ? Jan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: multi-tutch?
2008/5/28 Jan Stöckel [EMAIL PROTECTED]: hey given pro-linux.de (german news site)is right, MPX http://wearables.unisa.edu.au/mpx/ is now a part of Xorg, and I can remember that the display of the freerunner was ready for multituch, so coud it be possible that the freerunner/openmoko is capable of multituch within might a year ? (I am aware that that isnt prioryty it woud just be nice to know) Or I am completly wrong and it isn`t possible ? Jan Hi Jan, I don't believe the screen used for FreeRunner can resolve multi touch. Unfortunately it's a hardware issue not a software one. From the hardware page of the wiki http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware It's a resistance type touch sensor. -Pete ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Fwd: u-blox binary protocol boilerplate code]
Hi, On Wed, 28 May 2008 15:36:55 +0100 Joseph Reeves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: According to the datasheet for the chip ATR0635, DGPS is a supported feature: If DGPS is supported, it means that you can feed DGPS data from some source into it. But you need the raw data messages, if you want to use the Freerunner as a base station for DGPS (and running around with another Freerunner using that base station). As far as I can remember there are also tools to measure the distance between two measurement points by using these raw messages. Greetings Andreas Kemnade signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Password safe
Uncle Kridley wrote: I'm totally dependent on gnukeyring on my Treo, so this is good news. I'd been hoping that somebody with some GUI coding experience would build one on Openmoko, since I've never written a (non-web) GUI program. Are you going to release your password safe? What are the others you speak of? I plan to. I don't remember the names; I just websearch them when I need them. I thought that perhaps gnome-keyring could be ported to Openmoko... I suppose it will. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 3G USB Dongle (was Re: Neo as cellular modem?)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Am Mi 28. Mai 2008 schrieb Brad Midgley: | Joerg | | On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 2:30 AM, Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED] | wrote: | Am Mi 28. Mai 2008 schrieb Brad Midgley: | i think it may still be up in the air | Nope it's not, see Y-cable in wiki. Should work perfectly. You just have | to | find the 5pin-mini-USB-plug to DIY one. | is EN_USBHOST is deasserted by the system automatically now? I'll | update the section in | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware if it is. | | No idea, it's a driver issue. On detection of 47k device is switching to | fastcharge, which I think is actually working. Also it should activate | LOGICAL hostmode for USB-controller same time (NOT asserting EN_USBHOST!), | which is needed for Y-Cable and doesn't hurt charger. I don't have the | slightest idea whether this already is in kernel or not. It is deasserted if it sees you have a 1A charger in there, has been for a while. case CHARGER_TYPE_1A: pcf50633_usb_curlim_set(pcf, 1000); /* * stop GPO / EN_HOSTUSB power driving out on the same * USB power pins we have a 1A charger on right now! */ dev_info(pcf-client.dev, Charger - CHARGER_TYPE_1A\n); __reg_write(pcf, PCF50633_GPO - PCF50633_GPIO1 + PCF50633_REG_GPIO1CFG, __reg_read(pcf, PCF50633_GPO - PCF50633_GPIO1 + PCF50633_REG_GPIO1CFG) 0xf0); break; - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkg9qhAACgkQOjLpvpq7dMrLugCZAUZtiUVKx+eE6e3UIc84Meuc +i0An1FP0ngYSvkCZuGOforaCnW862WN =PLJ7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: multi-tutch?
Am Mi 28. Mai 2008 schrieb thomasg: The capacitive touchscreen of the Freerunner only detects a single point and FR has a resistive TS /j signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Meta Toolchain Release (2008 May)
On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 1:00 AM, Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | On 5/26/08, Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Somebody in the thread at some point said: | | | No package 'libjana' found | | No package 'libjana-ecal' found | | No package 'libjana-gtk' found | | | | Any ideas, suggestions or can anyone provide with the required libraries ? | | Presumably the actual target libs you want are sitting there in the OM | distribution packages, and the includes and other bits and bobs are | likewise just sitting there in the -dev OM distribution packages. | | | I was able to package a working toolchain (atleast it builds | openmoko-dialer2) which includes the missing libs mentioned above and | few others. As you said most of the libs were included the OM dist. | | What we need is to enable to install these into the toolchain somehow, | rather than make that a special do it at the factory operation to get | things into toolchain. | | | Agreed, but till that time if anyone is interested in the toolchain I | can put it up somewhere. Hey good job Pranav. After 7 months of proposing this methodology I finally get a taker -- from outside OM. Maybe in another 7 months we can get a host-side opkg Hmm, so within OM you guys don't prefer/advise using pre-built toolchains? Any particular reason? For me, it seems too tedious to setup the OM dev env to build single app like the dialer or some other app like squid-cache. I think the toolchain is very useful, especially for small apps, test programs or even OM apps, which just needs a small personalized modification. Anyway, thats just my thought. But that brings another question (which probably needs another thread), where do we store/host the ported apps if we have some? * Can we put it somewhere on downloads.openmoko.org * Should we create another project on project.openmoko.org. * Or do we put the responsibility on whoever ported it, to host the app. -- Pranav or even unpack helper scripts as part of the toolchain so people can use it for building against their own packaged libs in a coherent way. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkg9EQ4ACgkQOjLpvpq7dMrX4wCfZ4XorL+QSzSO6yiXFmRqA9oX PfMAnAw2AsWMOHJogII3VFRFtfRw99bx =KutW -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: multi-tutch?
Oops, of course it has. Just messed up the terms. Thanks for the correction. On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 9:43 PM, Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Mi 28. Mai 2008 schrieb thomasg: The capacitive touchscreen of the Freerunner only detects a single point and FR has a resistive TS /j ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Meta Toolchain Release (2008 May)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | | What we need is to enable to install these into the toolchain somehow, | | rather than make that a special do it at the factory operation | to get | | things into toolchain. | | | | Agreed, but till that time if anyone is interested in the toolchain I | | can put it up somewhere. | | Hey good job Pranav. | | After 7 months of proposing this methodology I finally get a taker -- | from outside OM. Maybe in another 7 months we can get a host-side opkg | | Hmm, so within OM you guys don't prefer/advise using pre-built | toolchains? Any particular reason? Open Embedded is the basis for current OM build system, it has a Gentoo-type build-it-all-from-scratch approach. It wanted to build over 1,100 packages when I tried to use it to compile ONE package, many of these packages were built for host. It was unable to build its thousand packages of fun on Fedora 9 so I was unable to use it -- at all. In fact all of the target packages it wanted to compile were sitting there already compiled in the distribution packages, it did not need to do any of it. All it needed was to use the prebuilt toolchain like you did, and unpack existing target packages and their -dev into the host like you did, and I would have been away. | For me, it seems too tedious to setup the OM dev env to build single app | like the dialer or some other app like squid-cache. I think the | toolchain is very useful, especially for small apps, test programs or | even OM apps, which just needs a small personalized modification. | Anyway, thats just my thought. Totally agree. But more so: it should be the basis of our offering to devs. Vast bulk of potential devs only want to recompile THEIR package and just link against distro packages, or cherrypick one distro app to modify. Package-based toolchain is the perfect, lean basis for this. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkg9ykcACgkQOjLpvpq7dMq5CwCdElyVA8nl1EzU5PWAh6mBv0LL k0wAnRCqVcySdczXSdhvN9avDtOe3LYq =76MD -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
My second battery life test with the freerunner in standby
Hi, the day is over an the freerunner turns off after 16hours. I charged it over night, 7 hours long. So i only turn on the gsm. I don't use the Freerunner often. A short gps session of 15min an some sms, one short call, one missed call! And in the afternoon i wake up the freerunner every 30min to check the state of the device. I am supriesed of this. yesterday i think 14 hours are possible. Well, i think all the developers do a great job, and there are many opertunitys for more standby time. So now i go to bed, in 7 hours my night is over. Greets Einstein PS: sorry for the my bad english... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: My experience with the Freerunner
Matt Mets wrote: I tried out the ASU software update on my GTA01 tonight, and took a short video of it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ISHrtuQuGM Cool video! The keyboard seems quite nice, and worked well with a stylus (better than the video might suggest, I was working around the camera). What about the finger usability? AFAIK the Qtopia predictive keyboard has been projected also to help in finger usability... -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Converting Blackberry contacts into QTopia
Ian Darwin wrote: I won't say it was easy or pretty, but I did it. Cool... I want do it also with my Motorola phone importing contacts, SMSs and events from the binary seem files... Maybe I could use some of your advices! -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: multi-tutch?
Joerg Reisenweber wrote: FR-TS is a resistive-4wire-type, which per se isn't capable of multitouch. I plan to investigate on some very hackerish tricks to get a little more of info out of this design, but for now: NO not possible. /jOERG I knew this, but it's neither possible to use the touchscreen particular gestures like many Synaptics touchpads: I mean tapping, double/triple-fingers tapping, two finger scrolling (mine, that is 5 years old does it!)... -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: My second battery life test with the freerunner in standby
einstein wrote: the day is over an the freerunner turns off after 16hours. I charged it over night, 7 hours long. So i only turn on the gsm. I don't use the Freerunner often. A short gps session of 15min an some sms, one short call, one missed call! And in the afternoon i wake up the freerunner every 30min to check the state of the device. Great! PS: sorry for the my bad english... It's completely ok for me, surely easier to understand than German :P Thanks again for this! -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: My experience with the Freerunner
Matt Mets wrote: I tried out the ASU software update on my GTA01 tonight, and took a short video of it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ISHrtuQuGM Cool video! Thanks! The keyboard seems quite nice, and worked well with a stylus (better than the video might suggest, I was working around the camera). What about the finger usability? AFAIK the Qtopia predictive keyboard has been projected also to help in finger usability... I wasn't able to use the keyboard with my finger. Once a letter is pressed, you can't slide to a neighboring letter to change it, so it was difficult to correct mistakes. There was a different keyboard on the original Qtopia builds that had a magnifying-key feature that seemed to make this easier. It is entirely possible that I missed something here though. I do like the gesture support (slide left to backspace, forward to insert space, down for enter, up to switch keyboards), but I would like to see something that indicates that gestures are being performed (perhaps a line that shows a trail of where your finger has been?). The predictive keyboard bit might help but I haven't become proficient with it yet. It seemed weird that it shows two lists of possible words (one horizontal across the top of the keyboard, one in a dropdown box). Also, when running a regular X application (remote xterm), it seemed like I had to press enter (or tab) to get the characters to be sent to the app, which made it very difficult to enter things into the terminal. But usability in actual phone-apps is probably more important :-D. Perhaps a direct-input mode is/could be implemented for that sort of application. The whole interface was very smooth though. I'm suddenly much more optimistic about the project! -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: early experince Freerunners w/ ASU load, vs. thousnads of Freeruners
Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: steve wrote: Yes mass pro will start soon. There is another batch of a few hundred or so phones being built tomorrow. I’ll Know more after tomorrows build. Thanks for the news Steve! I'm waiting for a better ones tomorrow... :P In this Linuxtag report [1] (google translated here [2]) there are not so good news about production :/ Can you share with us something more Steve? Bye [1] http://tinyurl.com/6rs6j2 [2] http://tinyurl.com/643y64 -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: My second battery life test with the freerunner in standby
No need to be Shakespeare here :) I understand you and I like a lot what you are saying. I appreciate a lot your effort to translate your thoughts and experience to English, Dutch is a little out of my languages knowledges. Any report from real world add fresh air on this list likenbsp; an open windows (what an oxymoron) When the CPU will be able to down and up his Hz depends of system demands it will be a lot of power saving extra. I will like to know how the diferents components(wifi, gps...) affects on the battery drainage and a music with headset testnbsp; and ...and ...and..I want my freeruner to do it myself ;)!!! --- El mié, 28/5/08, einstein lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; escribió: De: einstein lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; Asunto: My second battery life test with the freerunner in standby Para: List for Openmoko community discussion lt;community@lists.openmoko.orggt; Fecha: miércoles, 28 mayo, 2008 11:18 Hi, the day is over an the freerunner turns off after 16hours. I charged it over night, 7 hours long. So i only turn on the gsm. I don't use the Freerunner often. A short gps session of 15min an some sms, one short call, one missed call! And in the afternoon i wake up the freerunner every 30min to check the state of the device. I am supriesed of this. yesterday i think 14 hours are possible. Well, i think all the developers do a great job, and there are many opertunitys for more standby time. So now i go to bed, in 7 hours my night is over. Greets Einstein PS: sorry for the my bad english... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community __ Enviado desde Correo Yahoo! La bandeja de entrada más inteligente.___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo as cellular modem?
Alexey Feldgendler wrote: On Wed, 28 May 2008 02:15:16 +0200, Matt Mets [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It might also be cool to have the Freerunner act as a wireless router! Instant (slow) internet anywhere... In ad-hoc network mode only. AFAIK the WiFi chip used in the Freerunner doesn't support AP mode. Please someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the WiFi chip in fact _can_ do AP mode, but that mode is not allowed in the open source driver. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: multi-tutch?
Ok, as most of you probably did by now, you heared about the Windows 7 presentation. The most precise of you may have noticed: All of the multitouch is also aviable on normal touchscreens (in fact it was shown on a normal tablet notebook). Sooo.. what does this meen for us? simple: it's possible to mimc full multitouch with a normal touchscreen. On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 12:47 AM, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joerg Reisenweber wrote: FR-TS is a resistive-4wire-type, which per se isn't capable of multitouch. I plan to investigate on some very hackerish tricks to get a little more of info out of this design, but for now: NO not possible. /jOERG I knew this, but it's neither possible to use the touchscreen particular gestures like many Synaptics touchpads: I mean tapping, double/triple-fingers tapping, two finger scrolling (mine, that is 5 years old does it!)... -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- My corner of the web: http://blog.ramsesoriginal.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Packaging third-party applications (Was: Meta Toolchain Release (2008 May))
Pranav Desai wrote: But that brings another question (which probably needs another thread), where do we store/host the ported apps if we have some? * Can we put it somewhere on downloads.openmoko.org http://downloads.openmoko.org * Should we create another project on project.openmoko.org http://project.openmoko.org. * Or do we put the responsibility on whoever ported it, to host the app. The usual way is to add the package to OpenEmbedded, and then add it's name to the task-openmoko-feed.bb recipe so that it automatically gets built, packaged and deployed to the official download site. Packaging and publishing random applications here, there and everywhere is just going to fragment the set of applications available to users. Also, I am much more likely to trust a package recipe that I can build and install myself using OpenEmbedded (or download from an official site where the package has been built from source by a trusted autobuild system), rather than downloading some unknown, possibly virus-tainted binary package from some random site ... -- Rod ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: My experience with the Freerunner
On Wed, 28 May 2008 19:14:46 -0400 Matt Mets [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Matt Mets wrote: I tried out the ASU software update on my GTA01 tonight, and took a short video of it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ISHrtuQuGM Cool video! Thanks! The keyboard seems quite nice, and worked well with a stylus (better than the video might suggest, I was working around the camera). What about the finger usability? AFAIK the Qtopia predictive keyboard has been projected also to help in finger usability... I wasn't able to use the keyboard with my finger. Once a letter is pressed, you can't slide to a neighboring letter to change it, so it was difficult to correct mistakes. There was a different keyboard on the original Qtopia builds that had a magnifying-key feature that seemed to make this easier. It is entirely possible that I missed something here though. I do like the gesture support (slide left to backspace, forward to insert space, down for enter, up to switch keyboards), but I would like to see something that indicates that gestures are being performed (perhaps a line that shows a trail of where your finger has been?). to correct - just backspace! :) (left slide). the magnifying thing is possible - but somehow i saw it as superfluous as chances are u press and release very fast like a keypress on a normal keyboard and then notice the mistake. even so - the dictionary lookup will be correcting if it's in the dictionary and not too far of a typo (press too far away from intended key). admittedly the dictionary we ship has only 5000 words - but hey. it's a simple text file. :) The predictive keyboard bit might help but I haven't become proficient with it yet. It seemed weird that it shows two lists of possible words (one horizontal across the top of the keyboard, one in a dropdown box). horizontal is for quick selecting the most likely matches for correction (or if no matches - exactly what you typed), and if it doesn't fit u can access ALL matches from the popup list. Also, when running a regular X application (remote xterm), it seemed like I had to press enter (or tab) to get the characters to be sent to the app, which made it very difficult to enter things into the terminal. But usability in actual phone-apps is probably more important :-D. Perhaps a direct-input mode is/could be implemented for that sort of application. it's possible we can do this - in svn there is even a full qwerty kbd layout i initially used - with ctrl, alt, etc. for terminal junkies, BUT for now correction is always-on. The whole interface was very smooth though. I'm suddenly much more optimistic about the project! -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Meta Toolchain Release (2008 May)
Am Mi 28. Mai 2008 schrieb Andy Green: Somebody in the thread at some point said: | | What we need is to enable to install these into the toolchain somehow, | | rather than make that a special do it at the factory operation | to get | | things into toolchain. | | | | Agreed, but till that time if anyone is interested in the toolchain I | | can put it up somewhere. | | Hey good job Pranav. | | After 7 months of proposing this methodology I finally get a taker -- | from outside OM. Maybe in another 7 months we can get a host-side opkg | | Hmm, so within OM you guys don't prefer/advise using pre-built | toolchains? Any particular reason? Open Embedded is the basis for current OM build system, it has a Gentoo-type build-it-all-from-scratch approach. It wanted to build over 1,100 packages when I tried to use it to compile ONE package, many of these packages were built for host. It was unable to build its thousand packages of fun on Fedora 9 so I was unable to use it -- at all. In fact all of the target packages it wanted to compile were sitting there already compiled in the distribution packages, it did not need to do any of it. All it needed was to use the prebuilt toolchain like you did, and unpack existing target packages and their -dev into the host like you did, and I would have been away. | For me, it seems too tedious to setup the OM dev env to build single app | like the dialer or some other app like squid-cache. I think the | toolchain is very useful, especially for small apps, test programs or | even OM apps, which just needs a small personalized modification. | Anyway, thats just my thought. Totally agree. But more so: it should be the basis of our offering to devs. Vast bulk of potential devs only want to recompile THEIR package and just link against distro packages, or cherrypick one distro app to modify. Package-based toolchain is the perfect, lean basis for this. -Andy ACK!!! 110% gentoo is a weird approach, that discourages potential devs from giving it a shot. :-( my 0.02€ jOERG [[poor developers, I really feel with them]] [OWTTE quote of ~may 2 2008 fellow lodger. when asking how to build my own branch] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: USB power direction in host mode (was: Re: 3G USB Dongle (was Re: Neo as cellular modem?))
Michael Question: Is it possible to charge the Neo Freerunner when using the USB port in host mode, by ascerting LOGICAL hostmode and by NOT asserting EN_USBHOST? It's not just related, it goes to the core of the issue. :) Joerg assured us that we can do this. When the 47k resistor is present, EN_USBHOST will be disabled so power will be coming in from the outside on usb +5 to charge the battery and power the usb client, and neo's usb will be in host mode. -- Brad ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
problems about openmoko-browser2
Hi i come to some problems when i run openmoko-browser2 on qemu. when i open the web www.openmoko.org and click the link : history. and the browser display it on the current page correctly.I input www.google.com . the openmoko-browser2 open the website correctly.then i input the key word baidu in the search filed. the google will list many websites related baidu. but when i click one of them, the browser do nothing and can't open the website. when i use the gpe-mini-browser,it can work very well.As you konw the gpe-mini-browser uses osb-nrcit and osb-nrcore at the core of the application,the openmoko-browser2 uses webkit at the core of the application. then i compare them and find that there is a defined signal req_new_window in osb-nrcit. the signal req_new_window can notify the application that whether the browser create a new page to open the url. Next, how can i display the website responding to the click? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: My second battery life test with the freerunner in standby
On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 23:49 +, David Samblas Martinez wrote: No need to be Shakespeare here :) Wherefore art thou electrons? Thy battery desires to be revitalized. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: early experince Freerunners w/ ASU load, vs. thousnads of Freeruners
Am Do 29. Mai 2008 schrieb Marco Trevisan (Treviño): In this Linuxtag report [1] (google translated here [2]) there are not so good news about production :/ Can you share with us something more Steve? Bye [1] http://tinyurl.com/6rs6j2 [2] http://tinyurl.com/643y64 -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ I *REALLY* dislike those tinyurl - never give them a try. :-/ nearly as bad as those html-only (dunno from whom) postings i use to ignore. just wanted to let U know /j signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: My experience with the Freerunner
you are not supposed to correct each single keystroke - just like on T9. Simply type ahead and *in the end* select from list the word you tried to type, probably that's nearest to _all_ of your physical keystrokes PLUS some recent/most-used-factor. If I got that right, Raster? /j signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: My second battery life test with the freerunner in standby
David Samblas Martinez wrote: I will like to know how the diferents components(wifi, gps...) affects on the battery drainage and a music with headset test and ...and ...and..I want my freeruner to do it myself ;)!!! Me too.. I figure that also PowerTop could be useful in this research! -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 3G USB Dongle (was Re: Neo as cellular modem?)
Am Mi 28. Mai 2008 schrieb Andy Green: Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Am Mi 28. Mai 2008 schrieb Brad Midgley: | Joerg | | On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 2:30 AM, Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED] | wrote: | Am Mi 28. Mai 2008 schrieb Brad Midgley: | i think it may still be up in the air | Nope it's not, see Y-cable in wiki. Should work perfectly. You just have | to | find the 5pin-mini-USB-plug to DIY one. | is EN_USBHOST is deasserted by the system automatically now? I'll | update the section in | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware if it is. | | No idea, it's a driver issue. On detection of 47k device is switching to | fastcharge, which I think is actually working. Also it should activate | LOGICAL hostmode for USB-controller same time (NOT asserting EN_USBHOST!), | which is needed for Y-Cable and doesn't hurt charger. I don't have the | slightest idea whether this already is in kernel or not. It is deasserted if it sees you have a 1A charger in there, has been for a while. case CHARGER_TYPE_1A: pcf50633_usb_curlim_set(pcf, 1000); /* * stop GPO / EN_HOSTUSB power driving out on the same * USB power pins we have a 1A charger on right now! */ dev_info(pcf-client.dev, Charger - CHARGER_TYPE_1A\n); __reg_write(pcf, PCF50633_GPO - PCF50633_GPIO1 + PCF50633_REG_GPIO1CFG, __reg_read(pcf, PCF50633_GPO - PCF50633_GPIO1 + PCF50633_REG_GPIO1CFG) 0xf0); break; YEP. but from this sniplet I don't understand whether it also will enter LOGICAL hostmode like with a short to GND on ID-pin. That's the crux, do *both* /j signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo as cellular modem?
hmmm you really have a talent to ask interesting questions dunno... yet /j signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: My second battery life test with the freerunner in standby
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I think he would not have understood dutch either since he comes from germany ;-) David Samblas Martinez schrieb: | No need to be Shakespeare here :) | I understand you and I like a lot what you are saying. | I appreciate a lot your effort to translate your thoughts and experience to English, Dutch is a little out of my languages knowledges. | Any report from real world add fresh air on this list like an open windows (what an oxymoron) | When the CPU will be able to down and up his Hz depends of system demands it will be a lot of power saving extra. | I will like to know how the diferents components(wifi, gps...) affects on the battery drainage | and a music with headset test and ...and ...and..I want my freeruner to do it myself ;)!!! | | | --- El *mié, 28/5/08, einstein /[EMAIL PROTECTED]/* escribió: | | De: einstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Asunto: My second battery life test with the freerunner in standby | Para: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org | Fecha: miércoles, 28 mayo, 2008 11:18 | | Hi, | | the day is over an the freerunner turns off after 16hours. I charged it | over night, 7 hours long. So i only turn on the gsm. I don't use the | Freerunner often. A short gps session of 15min an some sms, one short | call, one missed call! And in the afternoon i wake up the freerunner | every 30min to check the state of the device. | | I am supriesed of this. yesterday i think 14 hours are possible. | | Well, i think all the developers do a great job, and there are many | opertunitys for more standby time. | | So now i go to bed, in 7 hours my night is | over. | | Greets | | Einstein | | PS: sorry for the my bad english... | | | ___ | Openmoko community mailing list | community@lists.openmoko.org | http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community | | | - | | Enviado desde Correo Yahoo! http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mailuk/taglines/isp/control/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=52431/*http://es.docs.yahoo.com/mail/overview/index.html | La bandeja de entrada más inteligente. | | - | | ___ | Openmoko community mailing list | community@lists.openmoko.org | http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIPg7mlYiDScJJ+7QRAoywAKCuNPX0T40dzPrRQsMackB1k1sPDQCg0q4e 2d/rshJRPzM0WMMLZAP9WAI= =gjWN -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: My experience with the Freerunner
On Thu, 29 May 2008 03:47:41 +0200 Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: you are not supposed to correct each single keystroke - just like on T9. Simply type ahead and *in the end* select from list the word you tried to type, probably that's nearest to _all_ of your physical keystrokes PLUS some recent/most-used-factor. If I got that right, Raster? correct - just keep typing the whole word. stop worring about correct until you are done with the word (unless the correction list reduces down to 1 entry only which is not what you want - that will be when what you typed is not in the dict and it displays just raw what u typed). then u need to worry :) but again - it learns as u type so words only need be used once before they get a dict entry in your personal user dict. over time all your own vocab should go in. -- Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: USB power direction in host mode (was: Re: 3G USB Dongle (was Re: Neo as cellular modem?))
Am Do 29. Mai 2008 schrieb Michael Shiloh: Andy Green wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Am Mi 28. Mai 2008 schrieb Brad Midgley: | Joerg | | On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 2:30 AM, Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED] | wrote: | Am Mi 28. Mai 2008 schrieb Brad Midgley: | i think it may still be up in the air | Nope it's not, see Y-cable in wiki. Should work perfectly. You just have | to | find the 5pin-mini-USB-plug to DIY one. | is EN_USBHOST is deasserted by the system automatically now? I'll | update the section in | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware if it is. | | No idea, it's a driver issue. On detection of 47k device is switching to | fastcharge, which I think is actually working. Also it should activate | LOGICAL hostmode for USB-controller same time (NOT asserting EN_USBHOST!), | which is needed for Y-Cable and doesn't hurt charger. I don't have the | slightest idea whether this already is in kernel or not. It is deasserted if it sees you have a 1A charger in there, has been for a while. A related question: I presume that it is the electrical signal EN_USBHOST which flips the switch which causes the USB port to source current in host mode, as opposed to sinking current in device mode. This is of course what is expected of a USB host, but it also prevents us from charging the Freerunner when the USB port is in host mode, if an appropriate power source is available. Question: Is it possible to charge the Neo Freerunner when using the USB port in host mode, by ascerting LOGICAL hostmode and by NOT asserting EN_USBHOST? that's exactly how Y-cable_V1 *) works (besides replacing the needed 15k? pulldown-Rs also switched away by deasserting EN_USBHOST) The combination LOGICAL hostmode + NO chargepump is exactly what the kernel-driver should initiate when seeing 47k *) There's the spec for V2 already, that's capable of working with USB2.0-OTG (supported by GTA03, though USB2.0 will be there with GTA04 at the earliest) See Y-Cable revisited somewhere on the lists - even more simple ;-) /j signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Can update freerunner CPU to ARM926EJ-S
The freerunner CPU is ARM920T ,can't support android system img,I think it can update to ARM926EJ-S ? We can replace CPU directly ? luther___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: My experience with the Freerunner
Am Do 29. Mai 2008 schrieb Carsten Haitzler: it's possible we can do this - in svn there is even a full qwerty kbd layout i initially used - with ctrl, alt, etc. for terminal junkies, BUT for now correction is always-on. U made my day. :-) Just wondering how long it takes til there's a howto that will take less than one day to build my own personalized image /jOERG signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
silence (re mass production status) is deafening
(I am not complaining, just sayin'...) We're not hearing much about the status of production for Freerunner. From available bits of info, I deduce: -- some number of early experience units are out in the wild. (from reports on this list list, looks like about 10) -- Lack of weekly status probably means there's some hitch Sharing a bit more information would be A Good Thing. It is what it is. Please share. ;) -ron k jeffries ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: silence (re mass production status) is deafening
On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 8:08 PM, Ron K. Jeffries [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (I am not complaining, just sayin'...) We're not hearing much about the status of production for Freerunner. From available bits of info, I deduce: Only a week ago there was a thread Whats up with the freerunner mass production?. I'd hardly call that a lack of communication. -- Steven Kurylo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: My second battery life test with the freerunner in standby
yes, I'm sorry maybe he understand better Deutsch than dutch ;) --- El jue, 29/5/08, Bastian Muck lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; escribió: De: Bastian Muck lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; Asunto: Re: My second battery life test with the freerunner in standby Para: List for Openmoko community discussion lt;community@lists.openmoko.orggt; Fecha: jueves, 29 mayo, 2008 4:03 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I think he would not have understood dutch either since he comes from germany ;-) David Samblas Martinez schrieb: | No need to be Shakespeare here :) | I understand you and I like a lot what you are saying. | I appreciate a lot your effort to translate your thoughts and experience to English, Dutch is a little out of my languages knowledges. | Any report from real world add fresh air on this list like an open windows (what an oxymoron) | When the CPU will be able to down and up his Hz depends of system demands it will be a lot of power saving extra. | I will like to know how the diferents components(wifi, gps...) affects on the battery drainage | and a music with headset test and ...and ...and..I want my freeruner to do it myself ;)!!! | | | --- El *mié, 28/5/08, einstein /lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt;/* escribió: | | De: einstein lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; | Asunto: My second battery life test with the freerunner in standby | Para: List for Openmoko community discussion lt;community@lists.openmoko.orggt; | Fecha: miércoles, 28 mayo, 2008 11:18 | | Hi, | | the day is over an the freerunner turns off after 16hours. I charged it | over night, 7 hours long. So i only turn on the gsm. I don't use the | Freerunner often. A short gps session of 15min an some sms, one short | call, one missed call! And in the afternoon i wake up the freerunner | every 30min to check the state of the device. | | I am supriesed of this. yesterday i think 14 hours are possible. | | Well, i think all the developers do a great job, and there are many | opertunitys for more standby time. | | So now i go to bed, in 7 hours my night is | over. | | Greets | | Einstein | | PS: sorry for the my bad english... | | | ___ | Openmoko community mailing list | community@lists.openmoko.org | http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community | | | - | | Enviado desde Correo Yahoo! lt;http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mailuk/taglines/isp/control/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=52431/*http://es.docs.yahoo.com/mail/overview/index.htmlgt; | La bandeja de entrada más inteligente. | | - | | ___ | Openmoko community mailing list | community@lists.openmoko.org | http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIPg7mlYiDScJJ+7QRAoywAKCuNPX0T40dzPrRQsMackB1k1sPDQCg0q4e 2d/rshJRPzM0WMMLZAP9WAI= =gjWN -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community __ Enviado desde Correo Yahoo! La bandeja de entrada más inteligente.___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Meta Toolchain Release (2008 May)
On Sun, May 25, 2008 at 04:19:37PM -0700, Pranav Desai wrote: I am still having trouble building openmoko-dialer2 with the toolchain. I can build openmoko-sample2 just fine. The toolchain seems to be missing libpulse. Initially, om-conf openmok-dialer2 gave both libebook and libpulse as missing. I found that libebook is present in the toolchain, but was missing the .pc file. After adding that it went ahead and only complained about libpulse. So I started building pulseaudio-0.9.10 with the toolchain. After resolving some dependencies like liboil and libsndfile, I was able to build libpulse. But now I stuck at libjana. checking pkg-config is at least version 0.9.0... yes checking for DIALER... yes checking for JANA... configure: error: Package requirements (libjana libjana-ecal libjana-gtk) were not met: No package 'libjana' found No package 'libjana-ecal' found No package 'libjana-gtk' found Any ideas, suggestions or can anyone provide with the required libraries ? Thanks -- Pranav libjana isn't packaged in toolchain by default. the default compopents are: libmokogsmd2, mokoui2, mokopanelui2, mokojournal2 and dependencies. we cannot package everything or it's going to be a huge toolchain. however, there are 2 interesting aliases in environment-setup: alias opkg='LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/openmoko/arm/lib /usr/local/openmoko/arm/bin/opkg-cl -f /usr/local/openmoko/arm/etc/opkg-sdk.conf -o /usr/local/openmoko/arm' alias opkg-target='LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/openmoko/arm/lib /usr/local/openmoko/arm/bin/opkg-cl -f /usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/etc/opkg.conf -o /usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi' which means by opkg-target we can add the packages we need into the toolchain directory. at the moment the content of /usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/etc/opkg.conf is incorrectly pointed to local directories in build host. if we replace it by the corresponding URIs such as http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/ http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/all http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/neo1973 http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/om-gta01 then _theoretically_ we can just do opkg-target update opkg-target install libjana-dev I haven't tried this approach before because OE suits me just fine. however, for those who just want to make apps I think it's an right way to start. Regards, John ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
