Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973
I hate to say it but in my experience at least, its a dream developing apps using QT esp given the nice IDE in comparison to using GTK. QT just has the docs and organised feel which makes it easy. Regards, Jon Mauro Iazzi wrote: before someone beats me to it. http://trolltech.com/company/newsroom/announcements/press.2007-09-17.9260755578 and http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS5429713730.html In short: Qtopia is going to be fully GPL'd (telephony applications included, which weren't) and is being ported to Neo1973. Some comments (personal, I can be wrong...): 1) I hope this stops the Qtopia dismissal because not-GPL'd arguments. No one can doubt of Trolltech commitment to Open Source world, whether you like them being commercial or not. 2) collaboration can be complete now, if not sharing the source (at least not fully, because of the different stacks), at least in borrowing design patterns. 3) this could be seen also as a temporary solution for those which want to use the Neo _right_now_ (despite it still being developers-only) 4) it stresses the no-software-lock-in that Neo wants to have, in contrast to all other phones. This is freedom. Seems to me a great step in making the Neo a big platform. I can't wait to see it. cheers, mauro ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Jonathan Spooner Nationwilcox Systems Ltd Tel: 0121 3544345 ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973
Thomas Wood wrote: On Tue, 2007-09-18 at 20:40 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would you really say either gnome or is wasted effort and should be discontinued? Or vim/gnome,linux/bsd,gecko/webkit/mysql/postgres... Yes, it's my personal belief that these projects all represent wasted effort and that if they cooperated they'd achieve more. I always get a nice warm fuzzy feeling whenever I see a forked project merge (Compiz Fusion, Webkit/KHTML) You don't think competition has it's advantages? A bigger project doesn't necessarily equal better results. There are significant differences between (for example) KDE and GNOME that make it useful to have a choice. They are tackling the same problem but in different ways. It is very important people can experiment and try different things. Anything else would be to stifle innovation and progress. Regards, Thomas I didn't realise Qtopia was */proprietary/* http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=ensa=Xoi=spellresnum=0ct=resultcd=1q=proprietaryspell=1 IE no X server. Given that I retract my earlier comments on preferring QT for the quality docs and IDE. I'd rather plug away at developing in GTK than that. -- Jonathan Spooner Nationwilcox Systems Ltd Tel: 0121 3544345 ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Possible Input method -- press and drag
Nice, but I can see what hes getting at since I've tried the method shown in that link. We are all used to the layout of a phone keypad so we know where the letters are. Then you implement the left, down, right drag to select each of the three letters on each key. I think a hybrid solution like that will be more usable to the typical user as I found the solution in that link below to be rather alien and awkward. JonS Patrick Beck wrote: Hello, you mean that solution? = http://www.exideas.com/ME/DeviceSimulators/iPhone.html Greets Patrick Beck Am Dienstag, den 02.10.2007, 15:31 -0500 schrieb Derek Pressnall: That looks similar to what I had in mind (and may end up being the same in actual use), but I wasn't thinking of having an additional popup graphic when you hit a key. Instead, hitting and slightly dragging to one side or another should probably cause the key icon to perform an animated wiggle in that direction, which would probably be less distracting than the popup splash graphic. Also it wouldn't require you to move your finger as far, it can start in the middle of the key and move just a bit in the required direction instead of off the button and to another popup button. Also wouldn't require a bunch of additonal reserved space around the outside buttons (bottom and side rows) for the popup splash graphic. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Jonathan Spooner Nationwilcox Systems Ltd Tel: 0121 3544345 ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Android videos
Superb. Their SDK kind of reminds me of the differences in getting to work with GTK and Qt. Jon Dean Collins wrote: Android videos available here http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/12/googles-android-os-early-look-sdk-now -available Regards, Dean Collins Cognation Pty Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] +1-212-203-4357 Ph +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial). ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Jonathan Spooner Nationwilcox Systems Ltd Tel: 0121 3544345 ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Patents and OpenMoko
So you want to patent any unique tech in the neo to prevent some scum from patenting your ideas then taking openmoko to court? Then just do it! Its in everyones interest not to see openmoko taken down so I'd imagine anyone here with an ounce of sense would not have a bad word to say about that. Its really that simple, is it not? JonS Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: Dear Community, Most of you know that OpenMoko is a fully independent company at this point. With this great opportunity comes many challenges. Today I would like to share one with you all and ask for some advice. We need to file patents for our hardware as well as software designs. While my personal views on software patents are inline with people like Eben Moglen, as a company, we are forced to play by the rules of the game. What I want is for a our company's patents to be freely available, for anyone, but for defensive purposes only. Are there any existing options available to us now? Does anyone know of existing companies or organizations with a similar strategy that we can seek guidance or partnership. Again, I want to emphasize that we only want our patents to be used in defense. And what constitutes defense is something that we want to be able to define (and potentially even redefine when new threats arise). Thanks in advance for the help. Sean ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Jonathan Spooner Nationwilcox Systems Ltd Tel: 0121 3544345 ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Price of the Freerunner published?
Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: Andy Powell wrote: TRIsoft 399$ would make 257 EUR TRIsoft Shipping from China / Taiwan / US appr. $70 to Europe TRIsoft is $469, makes 302 EUR TRIsoft plus 19% VAT is 360 EUR for a self import at the actual price. Well, I don't think that a seller buys the shipping of each phone $70... Maybe they'll pay that for 10 phones... Am I wrong?! So there you have it. I still have an issue with the shipping, I see no reason why European customers should effectively pay for shipping twice. Let's hope that companies like TRIsoft get their shipment direct from China rather than having to reship from the USA. I hope there will be something like this...! Someone in the US could make a modest profit here! aka buy the units and sell em on ebay tell you somthing for nothing, I bet they'd be a lot cheaper than 400 euro! Jon ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Price of the Freerunner published?
I would of thought in the EU you'd need a supplier who is big enough to bring over GTA02s by the container-load, not in 10s. Its the only way to keep the price down everywhere else. Jon steve wrote: Thanks Sean, Let me just give the community an overview of what we want to do with sales, distributors, and partners moving forward. First and foremost we want to keep sales and marketing in Openmoko as LEAN as humanly possible so we put maximum effort into engineering. So, in the same way the engineering departments rely on the community of developers, sales and marketing will rely on a community of resellers. I could build a big sales and marketing organization. I refuse to do this. I don't think it serves Openmoko or the community. I would rather have people in the community support the brand, build the brand, extend the sales channel and make some money for their effort and risk. For me it's simple: Hire a guy or empower the community? I choose the latter. So, we are working toward a system of discounts for people who buy say 10 phones or 50 phones, and we are trying to create an opportunity for them so they can make money on their belief: their belief that FreeRunner will be a great product. Sean and I think that this belief should be rewarded and encouraged. So, we will do this. Buying 10 phones, for example, will be as easy as buying 1 phone. And there will be a discount. Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sean Moss-Pultz Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 3:09 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: Price of the Freerunner published? ramsesoriginal wrote: On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 3:52 PM, Pietro m0nt0 Montorfano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christian Beier ha scritto: Am Wed, 19 Mar 2008 22:48:10 +0100 schrieb Carlo E. Prelz [EMAIL PROTECTED]: What we Europeans would need is a FIC subsidiary somewhere here, As I read FIC has some branch in Czech or Slovakia. Thing is: If you ship a container €70 is definitely not the price per device. You can help: motivate enough penguin people to buy a new phone and maybe some one will risk such order. If FIC could ship them to Czech (or Slovakia) with their in house post it might be easier to get a good price. Let's hope. Christian This is what i'd like to do with my LUG and some other people near me, take the name, make only one order of 10 Neos and then give the phones to the people. Obviously the price will not be lowered a lot, but the shipping costs are usually divided so in total it will cost less to everyone. We always do the same with thinkgeek things or some CDs or DVDs. Just my 0.2€cent :D Pietro The same also holds true if (and here comes the crazy part: correct me if it's illegal) someone want's to buy a bunch of Freerunners (let's say 10), customize them (with custom themes, programs, settings, maybe even pre-filled data, some additional hardware, case mods, and much more), and resell them, either to privates that want given features, or to firms as a working phone, or for some specific application (for example skiers, with custom software and theme). Doing so would also allow to grow a family of hacks around the openmoko (a version with a webcam? with build-in batteries? with r/c sender incorporated? with wooden case?). Just my two €-cents There is nothing crazy about this idea. In fact, this is exactly what we're planning for ;-) Details will come later from Steve or Harry. Sean ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 99
Oh great so in Europe that will equate to another 4 euros.. were you dropped on your head as a child? Jon Michele Renda wrote: I agree, I'd like to pay for Freerunner 400$ in place of 399$ I alway liked 0 finishing number more than 9 finishing number. I vote for 400$! It is a very strange request, I admit :) Alexey Feldgendler wrote: The prices for GTA02 and the debug board are $399 and $99, respectively. While there's nothing wrong with charging exactly 99 dollars for something, the practice of reducing a round price by one dollar, AKA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_pricing is often associated with cheap marketing tricks, trying to make the price look less than it is and so on. In my opinion, admitting that a hundred is a hundred and charging $400 and $100 for GTA02 and the debug board would fit better into the OpenMoko spirit of openness and transparency. Especially when most of the other prices out there end with 95 or 99, a round price tag will send a message: “We're honest with you and aren't messing with your mind like others do”. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 99
I was being sarcastic. The $399 moko will somehow end up nearer 399 euro for those over the pond. its the same with all electronic goods over here. Jon Spooner Michele Renda wrote: 1 $ = 0.70 euro + tva = 0.84 euro != 4 euro Jonathan Spooner wrote: Oh great so in Europe that will equate to another 4 euros.. were you dropped on your head as a child? Jon Michele Renda wrote: I agree, I'd like to pay for Freerunner 400$ in place of 399$ I alway liked 0 finishing number more than 9 finishing number. I vote for 400$! It is a very strange request, I admit :) Alexey Feldgendler wrote: The prices for GTA02 and the debug board are $399 and $99, respectively. While there's nothing wrong with charging exactly 99 dollars for something, the practice of reducing a round price by one dollar, AKA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_pricing is often associated with cheap marketing tricks, trying to make the price look less than it is and so on. In my opinion, admitting that a hundred is a hundred and charging $400 and $100 for GTA02 and the debug board would fit better into the OpenMoko spirit of openness and transparency. Especially when most of the other prices out there end with 95 or 99, a round price tag will send a message: “We're honest with you and aren't messing with your mind like others do”. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA01 Gllin ipkg
Did you download it then scp it to the gta01? If you used wget on the gta01 you have not got the file, only the agreement webpage. The file should be 1.9MB in size. BTW I got the file and opkg still will not install it, reports error 4. Regards, Jon Dan Staley wrote: Hi everyone, I recently got my GTA01 and am trying to get the gllin ipkg from http://3rdparty.downloads.openmoko.org/gllin/ . However, everytime I download it, it says it is corrupted. Does anyone know another place I can try to download it? Thanks On Thu, 2008-02-14 at 15:58 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Send community mailing list submissions to community@lists.openmoko.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of community digest... email message attachment Forwarded Message From: fredthecat [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: List for OpenMoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org To: List for OpenMoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Exit of OpenMoko Window System Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 13:02:11 -0500 Dear All I was playing around with a fully emulated QEMU OpenMoko system (from a built system using MokoMakefile as documented in the Wiki), and at one point I hit the space bar (it the emulated Linux OpenMoko system received the keypress). When I did this, it exited the windows system (as if it had crashed or just plain died), but dropped me to a command line login ... and I could happily login as root and use regular commands. My question is this: did I hit a but and crash the UI, or did I hit some magic (to me) sequence that is intended to exit the UI? regards Martin email message attachment Forwarded Message From: Ron K. Jeffries [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: List for OpenMoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org To: community@lists.openmoko.org community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: LiMo article in Washington Post Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 14:46:57 -0500 Informative article about LiMO in the Washington Post: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/14/AR2008021401518.html?wpisrc=newsletterwpisrc=newsletterwpisrc=newsletter It may require site registration, but it is a very light-weight approach. I am interested in understanding LimO and how it does or does not relate to Open Moko. thanks -- Ron K. Jeffries http://blog.eronj.com email message attachment Forwarded Message From: Robin Paulson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: List for OpenMoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org To: List for OpenMoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: GTA02 Battery Capacity (Was: Re: More about the GTA02) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 14:53:28 -0500 On 14/02/2008, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Kyle for a great summary of the work being discussed on the kernel ML. I am simply not able to keep up with all the lists and very much appreciate your helping out here. Michael indeed, thanks for the info kyle. i've been avidly following the dev cycle of the software/hardware here, and it's good to see some technical info from the kernel ML, 95% of which is over my head would it be possible for someone - michael, kyle? - to give an update on this kind of info on a regular basis? i'm sure there are plenty of others eager for technical progress, but who are unlikely to venture on the kernel list? Kyle Bassett wrote: I have been following the Suspended Mode thread in the kernel ML and they have made amazing progress within the last week. As GTA02A5 currently stands, a cold suspend mode (just GSM in standby awaiting incoming call/sms), could result in 20 days of standby! For those technical people on this list, they have gotten GTA02A5 in suspend using ~2.07mA @ 3.7v (fully charged batt). If the GTA02 will have a 1200mAh battery, that's ~24 days of suspend runtime in a perfect world. The goal is set around 1mA-2mA of suspend current draw, with best case scenario suspend time of ~50 days (sure beats 4 hours... :-P ). There are also issues such as internal battery discharge, ~30% over 90 days for one of the packs that is being considered, which will reduce the final suspend runtime available. Currently, work continues attempting to shave even more power consumption from a sleeping Freerunner. Individual power consumption of the different internal devices is still taking place, that way any user can approximate their battery lifetime (but each internal device has a few different states, making this a
Re: Slashdot post but no web store?
Marcelo wrote: On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 7:50 AM, Kai Römer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/6/27 Marcus Bauer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [...] cut a lot! So far i have tested 6 OpenMokos in Germany. With the internal antenna i never got a fix in less than 1min 20 secs if ever (2 hours) (Perfect conditions/ sirf3 need 36 sec cold boot). Even when i use AGPS. As soon as i attach a external antenna it easily finds a lot more satellites and connects withing 40 to 50 seconds. In Costa Rica I have never been able to get a fix. I never tried for longer than half an hour though. And I haven't tried with an antenna either. I should get one. Marcelo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community In central england I've never had a fix either. Switched to using standard shipped image and still nothing. Jon ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS
I've been playing with my GPS and finally got a fix using agps diag tool. I stood the gta02 up on my garden table using a pop bottle :-) I think bottom line the gta02 has a poor antenna in fact the first time I got a fix I did so at the point I rested my free stylus on top of the gta02! Once I had a fix I used the signal strength screen in the agps diag tool and its then plain to see the signal is precarious at best with an average strength of around 28 which is greatly affected by orientation and nearby objects from hands, stylus, people etc pretty much what you'd expect in a device thats receiving a very weak signal except we know the say system is working so that only leaves the gta02 internal antenna as the problem. Thoughts? Jon Russell Sears wrote: I played with it a bit more and think i figured out why i wasn't getting locks quickly. It looks like my Freerunner's GPS is working after all! :) I've updated the wiki GPS_Problems page with some basic information about how GPS devices obtain initial locks, and added more troubleshooting information... It would have saved me a few hours; hopefully someone else will find it useful. Someone familiar with GPS should probably check it for errors. Most of what I wrote is based on things I learned today by word-of-mouth and skimming wikipedia articles. -Rusty Russell Sears wrote: This might help too (I should add myself to it...): http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS_Problems I've only gotten a fix using the agps diagnostic tool gui. I did it in the middle of a clear night with nothing near by, by going to the signal strength screen, and slowly rotating the phone until the bars started turning from light blue to dark blue, and going with an orientation that seemed to work, kind of like with an old analog TV set... I don't know if doing it actually helped, but while playing this game, I got a fix in ~ 2-3 minutes, vs the tens of minutes I'd waited before that. Bumble, after 10-15 minutes of waiting, do you see any satellites in the ss tab of the agps diagnostic tool? Does it display a time in UTC after a few minutes? If so, we're probably in the same boat. Is there a document explaining the exact handshaking procedure the chipset in the freerunner uses to lock onto the satellites? -Rusty andres wrote: On Fri, 2008-07-11 at 23:57 +0200, Bumbl wrote: Be happy I have never got a fix up to now although trying on different locations for 45min each. I'll consider to use my waranty. probably this is related http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner_GPS_antenna_repair_SOP ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS issue
Yes, in the agps diagnostic tool under signal strength, if I put the free runner out doors on a table standing so its facing up the signal strength typically on sats high in the sky is around 28-30. Obviously its weaker for those sats lower in the sky. It was a fairly clear day. Also there is a fair bit of drift on my position. Using the plot feature in agps it looks like I'm walking all over my garden while the gta02 is sat on the table at times. If there are any specific tests you want me to do let me know. Regards, Jonathan Neng-Yu Tu (Tony Tu) wrote: Hi Jonathan- Could you confirm that the strongest signal of the GPS still under 35 (the C/N ratio)? Thanks, Tony Tu (Neng-Yu Tu) Openmoko, Inc. Support Team. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!
With the greatest respect I think people have good reason to *complain*. Looking at these lists I'd bet there are more system engineers and developers than *ordinary* users why? because we saw a device that was open and accepted the fact that the software was in its infancy and perhaps relished the chance to be involved to bringing it up to spec. but one thing that was not expected was that people would be spending money on a device that could have potential hardware issues. Perhaps those complaining are those who can least afford to blow $399. Regards, Jon Joerg Reisenweber wrote: Am Di 15. Juli 2008 schrieb Travis Tabbal: On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 9:19 AM, smurfy - phil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: not the best but a better (than reinserting the sd card on the fly) is using a external antenna. Not really an acceptable option for many. External GPS antennas are cumbersome beasts when used on a mobile device like the FR. I use one on my handheld GPS unit for geocaching, and it's really kind of annoying. I *really* don't like very much those people who start whining and complaining when the problem is dissected and solution is near. Just let me crawl thru the ~150 posts regarding GPS from today, and then we'll come up with some statement that will stop that whining :-) cheers jOERG ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA02 GPS rework for SD card interference issue
Joerg Reisenweber wrote: Am Sa 19. Juli 2008 schrieb Tommi Kärkkäinen: Neng-Yu Tu (Tony Tu) kirjoitti: But this work still not suggest do by yourself, also, this fix need proper size capacitor (10 pf with 0402 package), and some solder technique. Is there a specific tolerance requirement for the capacitor? Nope /j Could the capacitor be put in place using cold solder paste? Jon ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008 WTF??
Jay Vaughan wrote: Why the developers are spending time breaking things that were previously worked (see ASU keyboard), rather than fixing what's broken and in desperate need of fixing, is beyond me. Yeah I concur with this here, its definitely been a matter of patience, watching things go backwards before they apparently .. any day now .. go forwards. Is it a lack of leadership? For this aggressive undertaking to be successful, it needs at least one person to prioritize, delegate, and lead the other developers. Its a bit hippy-dippy, if you want to know my opinion (you probably don't), and by that I mean that the punch-bowl is running linux. Is there such a person at Openmoko? If not, that's the problem. Having a team of developers, without clear leadership, is akin to herding cats :) I think the best we can hope for is that from the 2008.8 release onwards, we'll now start to see the massive progress we've always been promised as a result of community contributions. I suppose its fair to say that the majority of the platform-specific 'hard work' has been/ is being done by the core OM team, and now its up to us to start contributing. That said, I have not been able to succesfully complete a 'make openmoko-developer-image' for a week, and its been terribly frustrating watching all the bloat of OM go by, with little final 'caught up with the main developers' resuts. I'm going to give it another go, though, so stay tuned .. ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community The only thing I want to see improved is the documentation. ther is no info on ASU at all even hackers/tinkers are spending much more time than they have to, to customize the images/system. lets face it in many ways software is only useful with documentation and this has none. Jon ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Freerunner with latest qtopia, poor GSM
Hi, I've been running my freerunner with the 08/08/2008 qtopia release. Now I'm using it as a phone I've noticed the GSM reception is poor... or more to the point qtopia seems to spend as much time reporting No network as it does with a signal. Has anylone looked into this? is it the fault with qtopia? or is it a fact the freerunner does GSM about as good as it does GPS? Thoughts? Regards, Jon ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner with latest qtopia, poor GSM
Its a new problem. However as I said I'd not tried using the freerunner as my primary phone till now. Regards, Jon Tim Erwin wrote: I've been running my freerunner with the 08/08/2008 qtopia release. Now I'm using it as a phone I've noticed the GSM reception is poor... or more to the point qtopia seems to spend as much time reporting No network as it does with a signal. I am using the qtopia 080808 release and have no problem with the reception. Did you notice this with the previous qtopia or openmoko release? Or is this a new problem? Regards, Tim ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
