Re: [Community] [Gta04-owner] Looking for a new project name (gta04-kernel)

2015-06-10 Thread neil
As your subject already hints, I think a key point is to distinguish between 
naming the software, and naming the projects for things that you are trying to 
achieve. 

(In particular, of course, the software does not need a new name; it is already 
known as the Linux kernel.)

The projects for each of your devices, it seems to me, could reasonably be 
seen‎ to be independent of each other, and so could continue to be named after 
the relevant devices. For example, 'gta04-kernel' is the project to upstream 
everything needed for the GTA04 into mainline Linux. Once that is done, there'd 
be no continuing need for 'gta04-kernel' at all; yet another project such as 
'nanonote-kernel' might still exist. 

For me as a GTA04 owner, I'd rather see a 'gta04-kernel' project and Git 
repository where I could in principle easily see the current best code, and 
what was remaining to upstream, for GTA04 specifically; and it would be 
unhelpful for that picture to be complicated by non-upstreamed changes for 
other devices. 

Just a thought... does it help at all? 

Regards, 
     Neil 


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From: Belisko Marek
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Subject: Re: [Community] [Gta04-owner] Looking for a new project name   
(gta04-kernel)

Hi,

On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 10:12 PM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
h...@goldelico.com wrote:
 Hi all,
 as you all know we are maintaining a “production” kernel for GTA04 devices 
 and are working to
 get it (again) feature complete (i.e. that it supports all bits and pieces of 
 the GTA04 hardware
 including good power management for daily use).

 We have made progress - but we are still not there. Linux 4.1-rc7 is now 
 available (see our
 Twitter postings) and so will become a long-term kernel in 4.1.x in 1-2 weeks.

 While all this work started as a kernel for the GTA04 device (Letux2804) it 
 has broadened
 its scope over the past years to other ARM based devices. Still mainly OMAP3 
 but also
 OMAP4 and OMAP5. A list of the currently supported devices is here:

 http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-kernel/page/Platforms/

 We already support these different boards with a single kernel binary and 
 modules - just
 the device tree files differ.

 As a next step, we will work on 4.2.

 It looks as if Linux 4.2 might bring Device Tree to MIPS machines as well, 
 and therefore there
 are chances to finally support even more machines as we already do. Well, not 
 always with the
 same binary kernel (ARM vs. MIPS instruction set). But it suffices to just 
 run it twice with different
 cross-compilers.

 Two of the interesting devices might be well known to this community: Letux 
 400 MiniBook
 and the Ben Nanonote.

 This shows a big trend of Linux Kernels: they become more universal and the 
 list of boards
 that can be supported is becoming broader.

 Therefore, I think we should recognise that “GTA04-Kernel” (and GTA04-boot, 
 -rootfs etc.) is becoming
 a misleading name (since GTA04 is just a specific piece of OMAP3+GTM601W 
 hardware), as it implies
 a narrow focus that is no longer the case.

 And with the new gta04-makesd script we already give the user the impression 
 that we maintain
 a “Distribution” for different devices.

 So, let me open a discussion and request proposals how we could rename our 
 “Distribution”.

 Some aspects to think about:
 * it is ARM, OMAP but not necessarily (MIPS is on the radar screen)
 * it has its roots in Openmoko, Freerunner, Letux
 * and wants to bring long-term support for these devices (if possible)
 * should be easy to recognise
 * not be used by any similar project to avoid confusion
 * the main idea is to add minimally to Linux kernel what should already be 
 there and work permanently on upstreaming
 * but it is not only kernel. It is boot loader, makesd script, Debian rootfs, 
 Replicant and potentially other user space flavours

 Now, the stage is open for your ideas and comments:
Just my 2 cents:
what about u-kernel (sound similar to u-boot which is acronym for
universal bootloader) like universal-kernel.
ARM and MIPS kernels must be separated because we cannot have one
kernel for both architectures but we can have common base
for sure,
Maybe it's not rirgh name in someone opinion name and I hope it will
start discussion and add better ideas ;).

 -
 -
 -

 BR and thanks,
 Nikolaus

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Re: [Community] Looking for a new project name (gta04-kernel)

2015-06-10 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller

Am 11.06.2015 um 02:01 schrieb Neil Brown ne...@suse.de:

 On Mon, 8 Jun 2015 22:12:43 +0200
 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 as you all know we are maintaining a “production” kernel for GTA04 devices 
 and are working to
 get it (again) feature complete (i.e. that it supports all bits and pieces 
 of the GTA04 hardware
 including good power management for daily use).
 
 We have made progress - but we are still not there. Linux 4.1-rc7 is now 
 available (see our
 Twitter postings) and so will become a long-term kernel in 4.1.x in 1-2 
 weeks.
 
 While all this work started as a kernel for the GTA04 device (Letux2804) it 
 has broadened
 its scope over the past years to other ARM based devices. Still mainly OMAP3 
 but also
 OMAP4 and OMAP5. A list of the currently supported devices is here:
 
  http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-kernel/page/Platforms/
 
 We already support these different boards with a single kernel binary and 
 modules - just
 the device tree files differ. 
 
 As a next step, we will work on 4.2.
 
 It looks as if Linux 4.2 might bring Device Tree to MIPS machines as well, 
 and therefore there
 are chances to finally support even more machines as we already do. Well, 
 not always with the
 same binary kernel (ARM vs. MIPS instruction set). But it suffices to just 
 run it twice with different
 cross-compilers.
 
 Two of the interesting devices might be well known to this community: Letux 
 400 MiniBook
 and the Ben Nanonote.
 
 This shows a big trend of Linux Kernels: they become more universal and the 
 list of boards
 that can be supported is becoming broader.
 
 Therefore, I think we should recognise that “GTA04-Kernel” (and GTA04-boot, 
 -rootfs etc.) is becoming
 a misleading name (since GTA04 is just a specific piece of OMAP3+GTM601W 
 hardware), as it implies
 a narrow focus that is no longer the case.
 
 And with the new gta04-makesd script we already give the user the impression 
 that we maintain
 a “Distribution” for different devices.
 
 So, let me open a discussion and request proposals how we could rename our 
 “Distribution”.
 
 Some aspects to think about:
 * it is ARM, OMAP but not necessarily (MIPS is on the radar screen)
 * it has its roots in Openmoko, Freerunner, Letux
 * and wants to bring long-term support for these devices (if possible)
 * should be easy to recognise
 * not be used by any similar project to avoid confusion
 * the main idea is to add minimally to Linux kernel what should already be 
 there and work permanently on upstreaming
 * but it is not only kernel. It is boot loader, makesd script, Debian 
 rootfs, Replicant and potentially other user space flavours
 
 Now, the stage is open for your ideas and comments:
 
 How about
  openphoenux
 ??
 I presume you thought of that

Ahem. No. Sometimes you don’t see the obvious. Especially if you get older :)

 and rejected it.  Could you explain why?

Well, there are some aspects:
1. community should be involved and decide
2. “openphoenux kernel” is a little long and difficult to speak - isn’t it? So 
alternatives should get a chance.

Another obvious choice would be “Letux”. It was coined [1] exactly as what we 
are looking for: a full Linux distro for handheld devices.
The first one was for the Acer n30 [2].

Looks a little confusing. Agreed. Therefore we need to do some house keeping.

BR and thanks,
Nikolaus

[1]: http://projects.goldelico.com/p/letux/
[2]: http://projects.goldelico.com/p/letux-n30/

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