Re: [Community-Discuss] [rpd] Letter of Appointment for Hago Dafalla

[Daniel Yakmut via Community-Discuss]

I went online to the ICT foundation it seems Hago was just appointed as
propagated everywhere.

Cheers

On Jul 5, 2019 10:03 AM, "Seun Ojedeji"  wrote:

I have seen this same mail sent to many list, am not sure why this is
relevant on any of the AFRINIC lists nor the other lists where I have seen
it.

In view of this I wonder if this is actually some form of spamming, perhaps
Hago didn't send this

Regards
Sent from my mobile
Kindly excuse brevity and typos

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> Dear Friends
>
> I have been Appointment as a Regional Director for East Africa, for The
> African ICT Foundation. Please find the attached Letter of Appointment for
> your consideration. Attached is a press release for  engagement.
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Re: [Community-Discuss] [rpd] Lobbying Allegations against W

[Mirriam via Community-Discuss]

Hi Jordi
I have already suggested a solution of AfriNIC taking a leadership role and 
providing a solution to the challenge presented by Larus Foundation a third 
party fellowship provider whose activities should be discouraged as they seem 
to undermine the Policy Development Process.
Since Larus Foundation fellowship program is not popular within the community 
due to the issues raised by members of the community, my suggestion and I will 
repeat again, is that AFRINIC  takes a central role with matters related to 
fellowship. Larus Foundation is better of working with AfriNIC, if indeed they 
mean well for this community. 
Only AfriNIC should be responsible for fellowship programs that are related to 
the AfriNIC PDP to avoid bias, influence and the undermining of the PDP.  
Only AfriNIC can be transparent and  trusted to offer support and education to 
fellows about the PDP as well as being the main contact for any form of 
fellowship.
This is how we can fix this issue.  Mirriam.
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Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections

[Noah]

On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 1:09 AM Omo Oaiya  wrote:

>
>
> On 5 Jul 2019, at 23:01, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss <
> community-discuss@afrinic.net> wrote:
>
> Hi Ommo,
>
> Responding very shortly:
>
> If the emails come from an internal Afrinic database (for example,
> membership), then the data protection regulations are not efficient.
>
>
> Perhaps you missed this?
>
>
>
> On 5 Jul 2019, at 09:13, Alan Barrett  wrote:
>
>  There is no non-public AFRINIC database that could have been used.
>
>
>
>
> The nicer/faster solution is that Wafa tell us how the emails were
> collected, because if there is some unexpected “open” database, we need to
> correct it.
>
>
>
> OK.  Ask her nicely then.   She might “forgive” you and tell you.
>

I doubt she will because Jordi (supposed champion of GDPR) seems to be
attempting to harrass Wafa.

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Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections

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> On 5 Jul 2019, at 23:01, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Ommo,
>  
> Responding very shortly:
>  
> If the emails come from an internal Afrinic database (for example, 
> membership), then the data protection regulations are not efficient.

Perhaps you missed this?

> 
> On 5 Jul 2019, at 09:13, Alan Barrett  wrote:
> 
>  There is no non-public AFRINIC database that could have been used.



>  
> The nicer/faster solution is that Wafa tell us how the emails were collected, 
> because if there is some unexpected “open” database, we need to correct it.
>  

OK.  Ask her nicely then.   She might “forgive” you and tell you.


> Regards,
> Jordi
> 
> @jordipalet
> 
>  
> 
>  
>  
> El 5/7/19 23:57, "Omo Oaiya"  > escribió:
>  
> Jordi,
>  
> 
> 
>> On 5 Jul 2019, at 22:13, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss 
>> mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net>> wrote:
>>  
>> Hi Alan,
>> 
>> If the board can't investigate that, we may have a problem, because Afrinic 
>> has to comply with GDPR.
>> 
>> I don't know if those emails come from whois or something else, but some 
>> logs may tell.
>  
>  
> …may have a problem
>  
> …..I don’t know if those ..
>  
> Seems to me that you are fishing and stretching this a bit.   What 
> responsibilities would AFRINIC not have complied with in this case?
>  
>> 
>> I my opinion it will be nicer to get a response from Wafa, and I'm sure the 
>> community will be happy to forgive her. 
>  
>  
> If anything, this business is between Wafa and the folks with whom she 
> communicated.  I don’t see how “forgiveness” by the community comes in. 
>  
>> My intent is not to punish anyone, 
>  
> Even if it were, how would you punish anyone??
> 
> 
>> just to make sure that we find solutions to possible problems and mistakes 
>> and avoid repeating them.
>  
> It is starting to look like you have more in mind than that.
>  
> Best wishes
> Omo
>  
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Jordi
>> @jordipalet
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> El 5/7/19 10:16, "Alan Barrett" > > escribió:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 3 Jul 2019, at 15:50, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss 
>>> mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’m angrier about this as much as I think on it again.
>>> 
>>> Can the board and the staff investigate this?
>>> 
>>> Can all the people that got those emails confirm if they have provided 
>>> voluntarily their emails or if they have participated in Afrinic lists, or 
>>> if those emails are part of their Afrinic contacts, in order to understand 
>>> if this personal data (emails are personal data), have been collected from 
>>> Afrinic internal databases.
>> 
>>There is no reasonable way for AFRINIC staff to investigate whether the 
>> recipients had agreed to receive the messages sent by Wafa Dahmani.  There 
>> is also no reasonable way for staff to investigate whether email addresses 
>> were collected from the public WHOIS database.  There is no non-public 
>> AFRINIC database that could have been used.
>> 
>>Regards,
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Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections

[JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss]

Hi Ommo,

 

Responding very shortly:

 

If the emails come from an internal Afrinic database (for example, membership), 
then the data protection regulations are not efficient.

 

The nicer/faster solution is that Wafa tell us how the emails were collected, 
because if there is some unexpected “open” database, we need to correct it.

 

Regards,

Jordi

@jordipalet

 

 

 

El 5/7/19 23:57, "Omo Oaiya"  escribió:

 

Jordi,

 



On 5 Jul 2019, at 22:13, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss 
 wrote:

 

Hi Alan,

If the board can't investigate that, we may have a problem, because Afrinic has 
to comply with GDPR.

I don't know if those emails come from whois or something else, but some logs 
may tell.

 

 

…may have a problem

 

…..I don’t know if those ..

 

Seems to me that you are fishing and stretching this a bit.   What 
responsibilities would AFRINIC not have complied with in this case?

 


I my opinion it will be nicer to get a response from Wafa, and I'm sure the 
community will be happy to forgive her. 

 

 

If anything, this business is between Wafa and the folks with whom she 
communicated.  I don’t see how “forgiveness” by the community comes in. 

 

My intent is not to punish anyone, 

 

Even if it were, how would you punish anyone??



just to make sure that we find solutions to possible problems and mistakes and 
avoid repeating them.

 

It is starting to look like you have more in mind than that.

 

Best wishes

Omo

 


Regards,
Jordi
@jordipalet



El 5/7/19 10:16, "Alan Barrett"  escribió:





On 3 Jul 2019, at 15:50, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss 
 wrote:

I’m angrier about this as much as I think on it again.

Can the board and the staff investigate this?

Can all the people that got those emails confirm if they have provided 
voluntarily their emails or if they have participated in Afrinic lists, or if 
those emails are part of their Afrinic contacts, in order to understand if this 
personal data (emails are personal data), have been collected from Afrinic 
internal databases.


   There is no reasonable way for AFRINIC staff to investigate whether the 
recipients had agreed to receive the messages sent by Wafa Dahmani.  There is 
also no reasonable way for staff to investigate whether email addresses were 
collected from the public WHOIS database.  There is no non-public AFRINIC 
database that could have been used.

   Regards,
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Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections

[Omo Oaiya]

Jordi,


> On 5 Jul 2019, at 22:13, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Alan,
> 
> If the board can't investigate that, we may have a problem, because Afrinic 
> has to comply with GDPR.
> 
> I don't know if those emails come from whois or something else, but some logs 
> may tell.


…may have a problem

…..I don’t know if those ..

Seems to me that you are fishing and stretching this a bit.   What 
responsibilities would AFRINIC not have complied with in this case?

> 
> I my opinion it will be nicer to get a response from Wafa, and I'm sure the 
> community will be happy to forgive her.


If anything, this business is between Wafa and the folks with whom she 
communicated.  I don’t see how “forgiveness” by the community comes in. 

> My intent is not to punish anyone, 

Even if it were, how would you punish anyone??

> just to make sure that we find solutions to possible problems and mistakes 
> and avoid repeating them.

It is starting to look like you have more in mind than that.

Best wishes
Omo

> 
> Regards,
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> @jordipalet
> 
> 
> 
> El 5/7/19 10:16, "Alan Barrett"  escribió:
> 
> 
> 
>> On 3 Jul 2019, at 15:50, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I’m angrier about this as much as I think on it again.
>> 
>> Can the board and the staff investigate this?
>> 
>> Can all the people that got those emails confirm if they have provided 
>> voluntarily their emails or if they have participated in Afrinic lists, or 
>> if those emails are part of their Afrinic contacts, in order to understand 
>> if this personal data (emails are personal data), have been collected from 
>> Afrinic internal databases.
> 
>There is no reasonable way for AFRINIC staff to investigate whether the 
> recipients had agreed to receive the messages sent by Wafa Dahmani.  There is 
> also no reasonable way for staff to investigate whether email addresses were 
> collected from the public WHOIS database.  There is no non-public AFRINIC 
> database that could have been used.
> 
>Regards,
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Re: [Community-Discuss] [rpd] Lobbying Allegations against W

[JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss]

Hi Mirriam,

 

I don’t agree. The only way for organizations and communities to go forward is 
to find solutions to problems.

 

If we don’t do that now, we will forget about this for 1 year, and then the 
mistake will be repeated by someone else. Is that what we want or we prefer to 
find our way into our self-regulation to avoid repeating over and over mistakes?

 

Regards,

Jordi

@jordipalet

 

 

 

El 5/7/19 14:46, "Mirriam via Community-Discuss" 
 escribió:

 

Hi guys

 

So I have been following these discussions and what i have noted is, some 
community members accusing others for something they also do.

 

Wafa clarified earlier that she was lobbying in her personal capacity for her 
preferred candidates from Northern Africa and others. And Mr.Dewole was also 
lobbying for his preferred board candidates Seun and Adewale within Nigeria. 
And Andrew Alston was lobbying for his preferred board candidates Sunday, 
Haitham and Silber in the past elections. 

 

Seems to me that different members from the community are also engaged in 
lobbying from what I have read with each individual stating their own reasons 
and plans why they prefer those candidates.  

 

Elections are over. We should concentrate on other important issues and maybe 
every lobbyist out there can revisit their lobbying activities when election 
season opens again. 

 

I don't see anything constructive from this discussion other than the fact that 
it has diverted attention from the email Wafa sent in an attempt to help new 
members of the community to get knowledge about the PDP .

 

As for Larus Foundation Fellowship issue which Wafa raised earlier before this 
confusion of lobbying,  I think Afrinic needs to intervene since they run 
fellowship programs  and show leadership so that the PDP is not abused further 
by other third parties. Third parties can directly work with Afrinic to remove 
doubt from the community.

 

Mirriam.

 

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Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections

[JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss]

Hi Alan,

If the board can't investigate that, we may have a problem, because Afrinic has 
to comply with GDPR.

I don't know if those emails come from whois or something else, but some logs 
may tell.

I my opinion it will be nicer to get a response from Wafa, and I'm sure the 
community will be happy to forgive her. My intent is not to punish anyone, just 
to make sure that we find solutions to possible problems and mistakes and avoid 
repeating them.

Regards,
Jordi
@jordipalet
 
 

El 5/7/19 10:16, "Alan Barrett"  escribió:



> On 3 Jul 2019, at 15:50, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss 
 wrote:
> 
> I’m angrier about this as much as I think on it again.
>  
> Can the board and the staff investigate this?
>  
> Can all the people that got those emails confirm if they have provided 
voluntarily their emails or if they have participated in Afrinic lists, or if 
those emails are part of their Afrinic contacts, in order to understand if this 
personal data (emails are personal data), have been collected from Afrinic 
internal databases.

There is no reasonable way for AFRINIC staff to investigate whether the 
recipients had agreed to receive the messages sent by Wafa Dahmani.  There is 
also no reasonable way for staff to investigate whether email addresses were 
collected from the public WHOIS database.  There is no non-public AFRINIC 
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Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections

[JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss]

Hi Noah,

 

I just responded to a previous email on this.

 

The law is not about “if you don’t like an email send it to the junk box”. The 
law is about protecting people privacy and emails are (in most of the countries 
in the world), personal data.

 

Nobody can use emails for a different purpose as the one they have been 
provided. Spam is not about “repetitive” emails. Spam is “any” single email 
that is not authorized, because you didn’t provided the email for that.

 

Saying “send it to the junk box” is like saying a victim of rape (or whatever 
other crime), is your fault, you were on the wrong streeet on the wrong time, 
don’t go there.

 

I understand that in some countries this is not the law, but we should respect, 
when working in the Afrinic enviroment, the laws from Mauritious, which is one 
of the countries that has already agreed on those data protection regulations 
(GDPR).

 

Regards,

Jordi

@jordipalet

 

 

 

El 5/7/19 10:51, "Noah"  escribió:

 

 

 

On Thu, Jul 4, 2019 at 1:42 AM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss 
 wrote:

Hi Noah,

 

I’m sure we all have contacts from lots of people from the community, but we 
use those contacts for the reason they have been provided, is not lawful to use 
those for anything else.

 

I have sent some of my contacts an emails that were not related to the original 
reasons the email was provided for. I have received emails from my contacts and 
people who are not my contact. I even receive calls from people I don't know 
and who are not my in my mobile phone contact. If I found the email reasonable, 
I act on it otherwise I delete it, simple as that.  If you don't like the 
email, send it to the SPAM/JUNK email, simple as that. If you don't like the 
phone call, drop it.

 

People share other peoples contacts email/phones and people ask other people 
about other peoples contacts. In my country, I even receive presidential 
campaign text messages and sometime from even member of parliament requesting 
for my vote in the national elections. Candidates and their supports always go 
so far in outreach activities in order to consolidate support from different 
constituencies for their preferred candidate and its the nature of political 
campaigns world over. 

 

If the same email or call is made frequently, then that is a different story.

 

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Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections

[JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss]

Hi Badru,

 

Well with the response from Ahmed, it is clear that:
He didn’t provided his email.
He didn’t authorized this kind of communication.
 

Only the sender can tell from were the emails have been obtained, but in any 
case, it is an illegal action in many countries (personal data 
collection/proccesing without the owner authorization,  and sending spam 
without previous and explicit consent).

 

I’ve got also a handful of emails, in private, from other folks that have been 
in the same situation as Ahmed. I asked them to go to the list, because I need 
to respect their privacy if they don’t want to say.

 

Regards,

Jordi

@jordipalet

 

 

 

El 5/7/19 6:13, "Badru Ntege"  escribió:

 

Jordi  

 

Curious to know the end in mind with your question??   Please elucidate

 

BN

 

 

From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss 
Reply-To: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ 
Date: Thursday, July 4, 2019 at 12:11 PM
To: Ahmed Fadl , "Community-Discuss@afrinic.net" 

Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections

 

Hi Ahmen,

 

I mean before getting the email advertisings the candidates, have you 
personally provided your email to Wafa?

 

Regards,

Jordi

@jordipalet

 

 

 

El 4/7/19 10:06, "Ahmed Fadl"  escribió:

 

Hi Jordi 

Already my mail provided for all community members

Thank you 

 

 

From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ [mailto:jordi.pa...@consulintel.es] 
Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2019 10:00 AM
To: Ahmed Fadl ; Community-Discuss@afrinic.net
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections

 

Hi Ahmed,

 

Can you confirm if you have provided your email to Wafa and if that’s the case, 
if it was for discussing about candidates?

 

Regards,

Jordi

@jordipalet

 

 

 

El 4/7/19 9:32, "Ahmed Fadl"  escribió:

 

Thank you Sami for your introduction

Let me also introduce myself 

My name is Ahmed Fadl, I’m working in healthcare nonprofit organization called 
children cancer hospital Egypt (57357), it is curing our patients with free of 
charge, my role is healthcare applications director.

Our hospital is one of the biggest hospital in the world in this 
specializations.

Also I’m responsible for the IP pools of our organization so I joined Afrinic 
community.

My point from my mail is we have to know the plan and strategy for every person 
before we vote for them.

I noticed that all the list by Wafaa from the same region why? I don’t know 

The characteristics of the board members should include diversification because 
we need all Africa regions to take all benefits and increase all regions 
knowledge and skills.

This is what I mean by my mail.

Finally welcome everyone has good plan for developing my country and all 
African countries.

Also all respect for community members.

Thank you 

 

 

From: Sami Salih [mailto:sami.sa...@outlook.com] 
Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2019 6:14 AM
To: Noah ; Ahmed Fadl 
Cc: Community-Discuss@afrinic.net; wafa Dahmani 
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections

 

Salam

 

I hope you reply Ahmed, since we have very bad experience with unknown fellows 
who come once to raise suspicious issue then disappear !

Looking for your positive continuous engagement.

 

BR 

 

Dr. Sami H.O. Salih
Assistant Prof, School of Electronics Engineering, SUST
Head of R, NTC, SUDAN
President of SDv6TF
T/F: (249)122045707/187171355 

From: Noah 
Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2019 1:41 AM
To: Ahmed Fadl
Cc: Community-Discuss@afrinic.net; wafa Dahmani
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections 

 

Dear Ahmed

 

First and foremost, welcome on-board this community mailing list since I am 
seeing you post for the first time ever and I hope you will continue to engage 
in various discussions as a member of the community now.

 

So, I have been catching up with email and I would like to also contribute to 
the discussion by stating a few things in reference to people being biased in 
general.

 

Let me introduce myself first. I personally work for AS37100 a member of 
AfriNIC, I was popularly elected by the community as a volunteer to the AfriNIC 
ASO - AC and my term ends next year in 2020, I am a secretary general of an ISP 
association in my country of residence, and I am generally involved within the 
AFRICAN internet community as a volunteer with various non-profit organizations 
because voluntary work is fulfilling. However, whatever I say here often is 
from a personal point of view unless I state otherwise.

 

I am telling you all this because, with all my years of engagement in this 
community, I have always spoken in my own personal capacity that is why I use 
my own personal email address. Nothing I say is ever a representation of any of 
the organization I am affiliated with, though so often, my affiliations have 
been used by some members of this community to attack my personal character, 
sometime as far as going after my employment just because of my personal views 
on various matters pertaining the African Internet 

Re: [Community-Discuss] Larus foundation fellowship

[hkariuki]

Wafa,
Thank you for the below education package.
 As a new AFRINIC fellow, I am finding it helpful in understanding 
policy issues and will hopefully join in the conversation 
constructively.

Regards,
Hellen,
Vice President, ISOC Kenyan Chapter.

On 2019-07-02 12:30 PM, wafa DAHMANI wrote:

Hi

It fell under public domain, that those who benefited from Larus
foundation fellowship to attend the last afrinic meeting in Kampala,
were given a  confidential  Education package on AFRINIC Number
Resources Policy proposals detailed in the following link:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1kf7K8JdL-zl5NYjlboltmoXeq2mAJvNg

The document lists the proposals to be discussed, Larus Foundation
views of Pros and Cons on each of them, selective PDWG participants
interventions on the proposals.

The education package so proposed intends to condition these
participants views on the proposals  and their contributions at the
PPM and after

I like to remind us that the PDP is open for any individual willing to
participate. Views expressed are personal. No need to know who is
behind each source email address... only opinions expressed in the
context of the PDP matter. The substance of contribution really
matter. Diversity of views are encouraged. Lack of disagreement is
more important  than of agreement.  Also PDP is not a matter of
volume, repetition or persistence.

 RFC 7282 section 6 and 7 are clear  on these aspects of  the rough
consensus  process.

 Section 6

One hundred people for and five people against might not be rough
consensus.

Section 7

Five people for and one hundred people against might still be rough
consensus

My African fellows,

Your desire to participate to AFRINIC policy development Process is
legitimate and must be encouraged. I hope the last meeting  was useful
to you and allow you to identify the issues, understand what is going
on and what Africa needs...  I hope you’ve made your minds and  now
able to speak on your personal  capacity..

The real education package  is as below:

=

Proposal to establish AFRINIC

http://web01.jnb.afrinic.net/en/library/policies/archive/ppm-minutes/862-kuala-lumpur-1997

IANA report  on AFRINIC (Accreditation)

https://www.iana.org/reports/2005/afrinic-report-05aug2005.pdf

AFRINIC constitution

https://www.afrinic.net/bylaws

Registration Service  Agreement

https://www.afrinic.net/membership/agreements#rsa

AFRINIC policy manual

https://afrinic.net/policy/manual

AFRINIC policies before the adoption of the CPM

https://www.afrinic.net/cpm-pre

AFRINIC PDP

https://www.afrinic.net/policy

Rough Consensus

https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7282

AFRINIC current policy proposals

https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals

RiRs PDPs

https://www.nro.net/policy/regional/

RIR comparative  policy overview

https://www.nro.net/policy/regional/rir-comparative-policy-overview/

==

Please read and process them, ask questions and find your way.

Come build African Internet by Africans.

As for Larus Foundation, your relationship to cloud innovation,
afrinic member with suspicious activities, holding 6 millions of IPv4
is long established and discussed many times on this list. I hope the
fellows would find these discussions in the archives.

I call the attention of the board on the  repetitive attempts of this
resource member to hijack the PDP for its sordid intentions...  the
provisions of the bylaws and RSA must  carefully be applied to recall
members to acceptable code of conduct.

The African Internet community as well as the global Internet
community must pay close attention and protect the RIRs Policy
development process and operations.

-Wafa
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Re: [Community-Discuss] [rpd] Lobbying Allegations against W

[Omo Oaiya]

On Fri, 5 Jul 2019 at 13:45, Mirriam via Community-Discuss <
community-discuss@afrinic.net> wrote:

> Hi guys
>
> So I have been following these discussions and what i have noted is, some
> community members accusing others for something they also do.
>
> Wafa clarified earlier that she was lobbying in her personal capacity for
> her preferred candidates from Northern Africa and others. And Mr.Dewole was
> also lobbying for his preferred board candidates Seun and Adewale within
> Nigeria. And Andrew Alston was lobbying for his preferred board candidates
> Sunday, Haitham and Silber in the past elections.
>
> Seems to me that different members from the community are also engaged in
> lobbying from what I have read with each individual stating their own
> reasons and plans why they prefer those candidates.
>
> Elections are over. We should concentrate on other important issues and
> maybe every lobbyist out there can revisit their lobbying activities when
> election season opens again.
>
> I don't see anything constructive from this discussion other than the fact
> that it has diverted attention from the email Wafa sent in an attempt to
> help new members of the community to get knowledge about the PDP .
>
> As for Larus Foundation Fellowship issue which Wafa raised earlier before
> this confusion of lobbying,  I think Afrinic needs to intervene since they
> run fellowship programs  and show leadership so that the PDP is not abused
> further by other third parties. Third parties can directly work with
> Afrinic to remove doubt from the community.
>
> Mirriam.
>
>
>
Nice summary.  Hopefully, we can now move forward to productive discussions
and make corrections where we think they are needed.

I like the idea of ALL fellowship support channelled through AFRINIC.  This
can be coupled with the more elaborate newcomer arrangements that have been
proposed by some.

Omo
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Re: [Community-Discuss] [rpd] Lobbying Allegations against W

[Mirriam via Community-Discuss]

Hi guys
So I have been following these discussions and what i have noted is, some 
community members accusing others for something they also do. Wafa clarified 
earlier that she was lobbying in her personal capacity for her preferred 
candidates from Northern Africa and others. And Mr.Dewole was also lobbying for 
his preferred board candidates Seun and Adewale within Nigeria. And Andrew 
Alston was lobbying for his preferred board candidates Sunday, Haitham and 
Silber in the past elections. 
Seems to me that different members from the community are also engaged in 
lobbying from what I have read with each individual stating their own reasons 
and plans why they prefer those candidates.  
Elections are over. We should concentrate on other important issues and maybe 
every lobbyist out there can revisit their lobbying activities when election 
season opens again. 
I don't see anything constructive from this discussion other than the fact that 
it has diverted attention from the email Wafa sent in an attempt to help new 
members of the community to get knowledge about the PDP .
As for Larus Foundation Fellowship issue which Wafa raised earlier before this 
confusion of lobbying,  I think Afrinic needs to intervene since they run 
fellowship programs  and show leadership so that the PDP is not abused further 
by other third parties. Third parties can directly work with Afrinic to remove 
doubt from the community.
Mirriam.
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 1:22 PM, Andrew 
Alston wrote:   
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Re: [Community-Discuss] [rpd] Letter of Appointment for Hago Dafalla

[Seun Ojedeji]

I have seen this same mail sent to many list, am not sure why this is
relevant on any of the AFRINIC lists nor the other lists where I have seen
it.

In view of this I wonder if this is actually some form of spamming, perhaps
Hago didn't send this

Regards
Sent from my mobile
Kindly excuse brevity and typos

On Thu, 4 Jul 2019, 17:02 Hago Dafalla via RPD,  wrote:

> Dear Friends
>
> I have been Appointment as a Regional Director for East Africa, for The
> African ICT Foundation. Please find the attached Letter of Appointment for
> your consideration. Attached is a press release for  engagement.
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Hago Dafalla
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Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections

[Noah]

On Thu, Jul 4, 2019 at 1:42 AM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss <
community-discuss@afrinic.net> wrote:

> Hi Noah,
>
>
>
> I’m sure we all have contacts from lots of people from the community, but
> we use those contacts for the reason they have been provided, is not lawful
> to use those for anything else.
>

I have sent some of my contacts an emails that were not related to the
original reasons the email was provided for. I have received emails from my
contacts and people who are not my contact. I even receive calls from
people I don't know and who are not my in my mobile phone contact. If I
found the email reasonable, I act on it otherwise I delete it, simple as
that.  If you don't like the email, send it to the SPAM/JUNK email, simple
as that. If you don't like the phone call, drop it.

People share other peoples contacts email/phones and people ask other
people about other peoples contacts. In my country, I even receive
presidential campaign text messages and sometime from even member of
parliament requesting for my vote in the national elections. Candidates and
their supports always go so far in outreach activities in order to
consolidate support from different constituencies for their preferred
candidate and its the nature of political campaigns world over.

If the same email or call is made frequently, then that is a different
story.

Noah
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Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Borad Elections

[Alan Barrett]

> On 3 Jul 2019, at 15:50, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss 
>  wrote:
> 
> I’m angrier about this as much as I think on it again.
>  
> Can the board and the staff investigate this?
>  
> Can all the people that got those emails confirm if they have provided 
> voluntarily their emails or if they have participated in Afrinic lists, or if 
> those emails are part of their Afrinic contacts, in order to understand if 
> this personal data (emails are personal data), have been collected from 
> Afrinic internal databases.

There is no reasonable way for AFRINIC staff to investigate whether the 
recipients had agreed to receive the messages sent by Wafa Dahmani.  There is 
also no reasonable way for staff to investigate whether email addresses were 
collected from the public WHOIS database.  There is no non-public AFRINIC 
database that could have been used.

Regards,
Alan Barrett


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Re: [Community-Discuss] Larus foundation fellowship

[Arthur Carindal]

Dear Mr Jehovahseun,

We hope you are doing well. 

Following some statements  you made in the trail of emails exchanged below, 
kindly allow us to bring a clarification on these matters. 


> Third, you did not include that fact that  some of the mentors appointed by 
> AFRInIC are authors of policies and they used the  fellows to push their 
> polices and agenda.


If you are referring to  Mr Elitcha Komi, please note that this latter  was  an 
AFRINIC fellow in 2015. During his fellowship and thereafter, Mr Elitcha Komi, 
enriched of his experience at AFRINIC Public meeting, has been involved in the 
PDP (Policy Discussion Process) and had been a co-author of the IPv4 Resources 
transfer within the AFRINIC Region, which was adopted by the community and 
being implemented. 

As such, AFRINIC considers this achievement as an example of fruitful AFRINIC’s 
engagement with its community  and that is reason Mr Elitcha  was appointed 
returning fellow in 2017 to share his experience with new AFRINIC Fellows.


> Then you never included the fact that Afrinic fellows via the whataps group 
> were told to vote for a particular Candidate as the PDP chair. 

There is  Whatsapp group for new and Returning Fellows  group where they 
exchange their experiences and opinions on any matter they find relevant.  
Under no circumstances  AFRINIC  gave instruction to vote for any candidate or 
support any policy. Keeping our position of neutrality, we, however, encourage 
fellows, be they returning or new, to be active and always be constructive on 
the community discussion mailing lists.


> AFRINIC fellows were used  by some to achieve thier aim.

We are not aware of such situations. We will be grateful if you can share more 
information and evidences so we will take appropriate actions to address same. 


> There is a serious need to review how fellows emerge and the criteria used in 
> appointing mentors( A story for another day). Some candidates were provided 
> access to the candidates for the PDP chair  under guise of being an ex 
> fellow. Anyway don't let me digress too much the discussion here is about 
> WAFA's conduct and we leave other issues for another day.


Please find below the criteria being used by AFRINIC Fellows Committee to 
select AFRINIC Returning Fellows. 

Be a former AFRINIC fellow (with no limitation)
Be a former returning fellow (with no limitation)
Demonstrate participation on the draft of any policy proposal
Demonstrate participation on the draft on any public comments on any AFRINIC 
document
Participate remotely and/or live to at least 2 policy meetings after  being 
selected AFRINIC's fellow
Demonstrate  clear and referenced contribution toward his  country and Africa 
(a blog would be a good start)
Demonstrate useful contribution and permanent presence on the AFRINIC mailing 
list
Demonstrate how you shared what you've learnt during the program he has attended
Demonstrate useful contribution over the fellowship social group
Demonstrate willingness to help the fellowship comity over social media and all 

However we are open to any suggestions that may help to improve the process. 

> Some candidates were provided access to the candidates for the PDP chair  
> under guise of being an ex fellow.

As PDP chair is a position any member of AFRINIC community including AFRINIC 
fellows may apply for , we encourage any AFRINIC fellow willing to serve this 
community to apply to any open position at the AFRINIC governance structure.


Thanking you for your cooperation

Best Regards

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> On 4 Jul 2019, at 00:21, 94cm4n .  wrote:
> 
> Sorry I meant to post to the community-discuss.
> 
> Jehovahseun
> 
> On Wed, 3 Jul 2019, 9:18 PM 94cm4n .,  > wrote:
> 
> Dear Caleb,
> I think Taiwo decided not to respond to you cos just like your questions to 
> all the PDP chair candidates in Kampala (in which none of them responded 
> too),it does not worth a reply. However i think I can dignify you with a 
> response so that you don't think too much as to why people don't respond to 
> you and start thinking too much of the fact that it seams you live in  
> another planet. 
> First of all, you don't work for Afrinic and not the spokespersons for 
> AFRINIC. 
> Secondly, Taiwo didn't talk about the fellows and you went off point.
> Third, you did not include that fact that  some of the mentors appointed by 
> AFRInIC are authors of policies and they used the  fellows to push their 
> polices and agenda. Then you never included the fact that Afrinic fellows via 
> the whataps group were told to vote for a particular Candidate as the PDP 
>