[Community-Discuss] Reminder: Participate in AFRINIC's Community Consultative webinar

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Dear colleagues, 

This is a reminder about our Community Consultative webinar on the topic of 
‘’Public Persecution vs. Constructive Criticism on AFRINIC mailing lists”, 
scheduled on Thursday 4 March 2021.

After several concerns raised from community members on the virulence of 
exchanges on AFRINIC mailing lists, AFRINIC had to make very difficult 
decisions regarding how to best apply the community code of conduct to the 
public mailing lists in an attempt to safeguard the community from being 
subject to these inappropriate behaviours while allowing people to express 
thoughts and critics freely. https://afrinic.net/code 

AFRINIC does not take such decisions lightly and is in need of guidance from 
the community on the best way moving forward on dealing with the cases that 
clearly mix public harassment with useful feedback. 

Community members are invited to discuss measures to foster a safe and 
all-inclusive environment where community members, volunteers as well as 
AFRINIC staff feel supported and comfortable serving this community and 
exchanging ideas without the fear of being publicly harassed and personally 
attacked.

It is key that we as a community have clear guidelines that allow us to prevent 
constructive criticism from turning into public persecution and slander. This 
is key to the creation of a safe and dynamic environment where opinions and 
ideas can flow freely and openly without fear of attack.

Time: 

   • 10:00 - 12:00  UTC 

Language: We are working on ensuring that live interpretation services (French/ 
English) will be made available for this session so that the community can 
express their thoughts in the language that they feel most comfortable using 
and the session will be recorded.

Target: AFRINIC community members and any other person interested in how 
AFRINIC manages mailing lists.

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Chère collègues, 

Nous tenons à vous rappeler qu'un webinaire consultatif communautaire aura lieu 
le jeudi 4 mars 2021 sur le thème "Persécution publique contre critique 
constructive sur les listes de diffusion AFRINIC".

À la suite de préoccupations soulevées par des membres de la communauté sur la 
virulence des échanges sur les listes de diffusion AFRINIC, AFRINIC a dû 
prendre des décisions très difficiles concernant la meilleure façon d'appliquer 
le code de conduite de la communauté aux listes de diffusion publiques afin de 
protéger la communauté contre ces comportements inappropriés tout en permettant 
aux gens d'exprimer librement leurs pensées et leurs critiques. 
https://afrinic.net/code 

L'AFRINIC ne prend pas de telles décisions à la légère et a besoin des conseils 
de la communauté sur la meilleure façon d'avancer dans le traitement des cas 
qui mêlent clairement le harcèlement public et un retour d'information utile. 

Les membres de la communauté sont invités à discuter des mesures visant à 
favoriser un environnement sûr et inclusif où les membres de la communauté, les 
bénévoles ainsi que le personnel d'AFRINIC se sentent soutenus et à l'aise pour 
servir cette communauté et échanger des idées sans craindre d'être harcelés 
publiquement et attaqués personnellement.

Il est essentiel qu'en tant que communauté, nous disposions de directives 
claires qui nous permettent d'éviter que les critiques constructives ne se 
transforment en persécution publique et en calomnie. C'est la clé de la 
création d'un environnement sûr et dynamique où les opinions et les idées 
peuvent circuler librement et ouvertement sans crainte d'être attaquées.

Horaire : 

   - 10:00 - 12:00 UTC 

La langue : Nous nous efforçons de faire en sorte que des services 
d'interprétation en direct (français/anglais) soient disponibles pour cette 
session afin que la communauté puisse exprimer ses pensées dans la langue 
qu'elle se sent le plus à l'aise d'utiliser et que la session soit enregistrée.

Cible : Les membres de la communauté AFRINIC et toute autre personne intéressée 
par la manière dont AFRINIC gère les listes de diffusion.

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Re: [Community-Discuss] clarification requested from AFRINIC

[Arthur Carindal]

Dear Jordi

Please allow me to bring clarifications to your points below 

On 03/03/2021 1:52 PM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Today, during the APNIC51 meeting, in the Global Reports session 
> (https://2021.apricot.net/program/schedule-conference/#/day/10/apnic-global-reports
>  
> ),
>  as usual, there was a presentation from every RIR, including AFRINIC.
> 
> In this presentation from AFRINIC, there have been two "imprecisions". I 
> prefer to use this wording instead of something stronger, because to me those 
> are very severe issues. I've asked in the Q to get this publicly clarified 
> and it was not done.
> 
> AFRINIC MUST publicly acknowledge the mistakes.
> 
> 1) It was explained that the AFRINIC PDWG co-chairs resigned. You can see it 
> at the end of the presentation.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ODvgxbMErs#t=35m50s 
> 
I corrected my initial statement made in my presentation and mentioned that the 
Co-chairs were recalled in the Q feature. 

 

> 
> 2) It has been said that one of the policy proposals that reached consensus 
> hasn't been sent to the Board for ratification, which is not true, as 
> discussed in the RPD mailing list. The co-chairs did send the policy to the 
> Board, but the Board decided to ignore it, because it looks like they want 
> the chairs to follow a format that has never been enforced before and it has 
> not been approved by the community, neither the PDP.
> See slide 6 at 
> https://2021.apricot.net/assets/files/APSr481/afrinic-update-apnic51.pdf 
> It 
> is incorrect to mention that the Board wanted the chairs to follow a specific 
> format. This is a misinterpretation of the information provided by the Policy 
> Liaison to the mailing list in regard to the report template.

We have responded in detail on the rpd list at: 
https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2021/012708.html 

Regards

Arthur Carindal


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Re: [Community-Discuss] [rpd] clarification requested from AFRINIC

[JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss]

Hi Madhvi,

 

The correction of my point 1 was done in the Q screen, but not in “voice”. As 
a consequence, all the participants that usually have the Q windows closed 
(in Zoom), were not able to see it, and they may be still under the impression 
that it was a resignation, not a recall. I understand that was out of the hands 
of AFRINIC, so I’ve copied back the relevant APNIC mailing list, so this 
correction is now clear.

 

Regarding point 2, the co-chairs indicated that they have sent an email. The 
PDP doesn’t state any explicit format or template. The list dicussion shows 
that the staff asked them to follow a format used by previous chairs, but the 
PDP doesn’t ask for it, so it can’t be enforced. The Board deny having got that 
report, but they never denied having received the email. Again: the PDP doesn’t 
enforce any specific format, so we need to see the email to understand if the 
Board is missing something and actually *informed* the co-chairs about WHAT 
they missed.

 

Can the Board *confirm* or *deny* if they GOT SUCH EMAIL? That will clarify the 
issue and if the (ex)co-chairs can forward that email to the list, that will be 
awesome, but meanwhile, even if the co-chairs have been recalled, I don’t have 
any reasons to believe that they lied in sense that they didn’t sent the email.

 

Regards,

Jordi

@jordipalet

 

 

 

El 3/3/21 12:09, "Madhvi Gokool"  escribió:

 

Hello Jordi /PDWG

 

On 03/03/2021 1:52 PM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss wrote:
Hi all,
 
Today, during the APNIC51 meeting, in the Global Reports session 
(https://2021.apricot.net/program/schedule-conference/#/day/10/apnic-global-reports),
 as usual, there was a presentation from every RIR, including AFRINIC.
 
In this presentation from AFRINIC, there have been two "imprecisions". I prefer 
to use this wording instead of something stronger, because to me those are very 
severe issues. I've asked in the Q to get this publicly clarified and it was 
not done.
 
AFRINIC MUST publicly acknowledge the mistakes.
 
1) It was explained that the AFRINIC PDWG co-chairs resigned. You can see it at 
the end of the presentation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ODvgxbMErs#t=35m50s
The AFRINIC staff corrected the initial statement made in his  presentation and 
mentioned that the Co-chairs were recalled in the Q feature.  
 
 
2) It has been said that one of the policy proposals that reached consensus 
hasn't been sent to the Board for ratification, which is not true, as discussed 
in the RPD mailing list. The co-chairs did send the policy to the Board, but 
the Board decided to ignore it, because it looks like they want the chairs to 
follow a format that has never been enforced before and it has not been 
approved by the community, neither the PDP.
See slide 6 at 
https://2021.apricot.net/assets/files/APSr481/afrinic-update-apnic51.pdf
i) The PDWG is under the impression from a previous correspondence of the now 
ex-co chair AbdulKarim that the co-chairs  had already sent the ratification 
reports to the Board.

ii) There were requests on the rpd mailing list to the outgoing co-chairs to 
share the mails that they have sent to the Board with the PDWG  and there were 
no responses.  

iii) The Board Chair informed the community on 14 Feb 2021  that the report for 
ratification was not received. 

https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2021/012363.html

iv) It is incorrect to mention that the Board wanted the chairs to follow a 
specific format. This is a misinterpretation of the information provided by the 
Policy Liaison to the mailing list  in regard to the report template.  
https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2021/012374.html

 

Regards

Madhvi

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[Community-Discuss] clarification requested from AFRINIC

[JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss]

Hi all,

Today, during the APNIC51 meeting, in the Global Reports session 
(https://2021.apricot.net/program/schedule-conference/#/day/10/apnic-global-reports),
 as usual, there was a presentation from every RIR, including AFRINIC.

In this presentation from AFRINIC, there have been two "imprecisions". I prefer 
to use this wording instead of something stronger, because to me those are very 
severe issues. I've asked in the Q to get this publicly clarified and it was 
not done.

AFRINIC MUST publicly acknowledge the mistakes.

1) It was explained that the AFRINIC PDWG co-chairs resigned. You can see it at 
the end of the presentation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ODvgxbMErs#t=35m50s


2) It has been said that one of the policy proposals that reached consensus 
hasn't been sent to the Board for ratification, which is not true, as discussed 
in the RPD mailing list. The co-chairs did send the policy to the Board, but 
the Board decided to ignore it, because it looks like they want the chairs to 
follow a format that has never been enforced before and it has not been 
approved by the community, neither the PDP.
See slide 6 at 
https://2021.apricot.net/assets/files/APSr481/afrinic-update-apnic51.pdf


Regards,
Jordi
@jordipalet
 
 



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