[Community-Discuss] Message of Condolences to the family and friends of Mr. Serge Kabwika Ilunga

[Sylvain Baya]

Dear AfriNIC's Community,
Hope you are in good health, anyway!

Le vendredi 24 décembre 2021, Noah  a écrit :

> Dear Eddy and Community
>
> When we come into existence, its a celebration and joy of Life.
>
>
Thanks for your wise words, brother Noah...



> When our heart pumping, breath gasping, warm bodies calls it quits, we are
> reminded of the joy of Life as sad as death may seem.
>
> Let us celebrate Serge Ilunga's Life as we remember the Life of Jesus
> Christ.
>
>
...it's good to notice that the end is not only about that.

An Eternal Life comes after this ephemeral one...

Goodbye, brother Ilunga!
We will, surely, all meet THE Almighty soon...
...i wish to all to be well prepared for that meetup.


Ilunga lives onto the next eternal peaceful life.
>
>
...i share this wish to all, and i thank you for
evocating the eternity & particularly *the eternal
life*; that all human being has as a free opportunity;
 until the end of The Grace's Era.

Blessed end of this other year, of THE Grace's Era!

Shalom,
--sb.



> Noah
>
> On Thu, 23 Dec 2021, 15:30 Eddy Kayihura,  wrote:
>
>> Dear Colleagues,
>>
>> It is with profound sadness that we have learnt about the untimely death
>> of our Board Member, Mr Serge Kabwika Ilunga.
>>
>> Mr Serge Kabwika Ilunga has served as a member of the AFRINIC Board since
>> July 2017. While on the Board, Mr. Ilunga served on different committees
>> including the Audit and the Remuneration Committees.
>>
>> Mr. Ilunga was the CEO of CSTelecomex. He has been actively involved in
>> the development of the ICT sector in D.R. Congo where he served for many
>> years numerous organisations including Vodacom Congo in several positions,
>> BSDCongo, a non profit association that works to spread ICT in D.R Congo
>> and promote freeware, among others.
>>
>> He was also a Member of the Institute of Electrical and Electronics
>> Engineers (IEEE), Internet Society and was actively involved in several
>> capacity building programs in D.R. Congo, contributing  to the Organisation
>> of the first National Internet Governance Forum in D.R.Congo, the
>> organisation of the Central Africa Internet Governance Forum, the
>> deployment of KINIX (Kinshasa Exchange Point), among others.
>>
>> We wish to extend our deepest and most heartfelt condolences to the
>> bereaved family, friends and to the Global Internet community.
>>
>> May his soul rest in eternal peace.
>> Eddy Kayihura,
>> Chief Executive Officer,
>> African Network Information Centre (AFRINIC)
>> c...@afrinic.net
>>
>> ……..
>>
>> Chers collègues,
>>
>> C'est avec une profonde tristesse que nous avons appris le décès
>> prématuré de notre membre du conseil d'administration, Monsieur Serge
>> Kabwika Ilunga.
>> M. Serge Kabwika Ilunga était membre du conseil d'administration
>> d'Afrinic depuis juillet 2017. M. Ilunga a siégé dans différents comités,
>> notamment les comités d'audit et de rémunération.
>>
>> M. Ilunga était le directeur général de CSTelecomex. Il a été activement
>> impliqué dans le développement du secteur des TIC en R.D. Congo où il a
>> servi pendant de nombreuses années de nombreuses organisations dont Vodacom
>> Congo à plusieurs postes, BSDCongo, une association à but non lucratif qui
>> œuvre pour la diffusion des TIC au Congo et la promotion des logiciels
>> libres, entre autres.
>>
>> Il était également membre de l'Institute of Electrical and Electronics
>> Engineers (IEEE), de l'Internet Society et a participé activement à
>> plusieurs programmes de renforcement des capacités en R.D. Congo,
>> contribuant à l'organisation du premier Forum national sur la gouvernance
>> de l'Internet en R.D. Congo, à l'organisation du Forum sur la gouvernance
>> de l'Internet en Afrique centrale, au déploiement de KINIX (Kinshasa
>> Exchange Point), entre autres.
>>
>> Nous souhaitons présenter nos plus sincères et profondes condoléances à
>> la famille et aux amis endeuillés ainsi qu'à la communauté Internet
>> mondiale.
>> Que son âme repose dans la paix éternelle.
>>
>> Eddy Kayihura,
>> Chief Executive Officer,
>> African Network Information Centre (AFRINIC)
>> c...@afrinic.net
>> [...]
>>
>

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Re: [Community-Discuss] [arin-ppml] Update on Litigation Between AFRINIC and Cloud Innovation ltd

[John Curran]

On 28 Dec 2021, at 2:49 PM, Mathanya Ramaboea 
mailto:mathanyaw...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I highly appreciate CI's good communication with its clients regarding the 
development of the lawsuit but I also agree that it would be good to see what 
AFRINIC also has to say on the matter, to its members and everyone else in the 
community. It is normal that the case involves a certain level of 
confidentiality but from Cheken's link it appears that AFRINIC has "repeatedly 
breached the Judge's order and acted in contempt of the court'', so at what 
cost? How would this reflect on the outcome of the litigation and everyone 
impacted?

Reference:  https://afrinic.net/court-cases

Given that one of the matters of litigation is a claim of defamation by Cloud 
Innovation against AFRINIC as a result of AFRINIC’s past communications to the 
community about the cases, it would not surprise me in the least if AFRINIC 
were to be quite reticent about further communications on these legal matters – 
I know that I would be if ARIN faced similar circumstances, even if it went 
further so as to include specious representations to our community about their 
status.

FYI,
/John

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Re: [Community-Discuss] [arin-ppml] Update on Litigation Between AFRINIC and Cloud Innovation ltd

[Mathanya Ramaboea]

I highly appreciate CI's good communication with its clients regarding the
development of the lawsuit but I also agree that it would be good to see
what AFRINIC also has to say on the matter, to its members and everyone
else in the community. It is normal that the case involves a certain level
of confidentiality but from Cheken's link it appears that AFRINIC has
"repeatedly breached the Judge's order and acted in contempt of the
court'', so at what cost? How would this reflect on the outcome of the
litigation and everyone impacted?

Mathanya

On Tue, 28 Dec 2021 at 17:26, sisoko daze  wrote:

> Ibeanusi made a good point, but Mike made a much better point.
>
> I must say afrinic and cloud innovation/larus are really duking it out at
> each other's throat, seeing how even afrinic is breaching court's order
> based on the link provided by Cheken. But i'll hold my reservations until i
> hear afrinic's side of their update. Would be nice to see what afrinic has
> to say on that.
>
> On Tue, 28 Dec 2021, 4:37 pm Mike Silber,  wrote:
>
>> The key difference is that when AfriNIC shares an update, it is from an
>> organizational email account and the person’s affiliation is clearly stated.
>>
>> It is not paid shills pretending to be objective and impartial “community
>> members” yet pushing a specific (and presumably paid) objective.
>>
>> I consider this “astroturfing”, but it is a distinction without a
>> difference.
>>
>> Maybe if you and others of your ilk were more honest about your
>> affiliation - the community would find your interventions less
>> objectionable. Certainly I would appreciate more transparency and less
>> pretense.
>>
>> On Tue, 28 Dec 2021 at 05:40, Ibeanusi Elvis 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello All,
>>>
>>> This “sockpuppet” ideology and terminology that has become an
>>> excessively overused irrelevant term in this mailing list. What is wrong
>>> with sharing a link of interest or a link that a member consider relevant
>>> to him/herself. Freedom of expression is always promoted in this community
>>> as long as it does not go out of line. Members of this community including
>>> the AFRINIC organization itself always share updates and links; never have
>>> it been considered an act of being a “Sockpuppet”. Lets stop throwing words
>>> around in this community mailing list and create unwanted confusion.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Elvis.
>>>
>>> On Dec 28, 2021, at 5:26, Serah Eazy  wrote:
>>>
>>> I don’t see anything wrong with someone sharing a link of interest to
>>> some mailing lists. The past updates have been shared by AFRINIC itself or
>>> a community member that wanted to transmit the information and hardly
>>> anyone considered that a « sockpuppet » act. Only the two parties involved
>>> in the litigation are informed of the case’s latest development and it’s
>>> always appreciated when one of them releases a statement to update us about
>>> it.
>>>
>>> Warm Regards
>>> Oluwabunmi
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 26, 2021, 9:08 PM Martin Hannigan 
>>> wrote:
>>>

 Not sure you do TBH. We (should) all know this is a sock puppet.

 What would be great is if a reputable and neutral press outlet took
 interest.

 Warm regards,

 -M<



 On Sun, Dec 26, 2021 at 12:54 Chris Woodfield 
 wrote:

> It pains me to feel like I have to state the obvious, but a PR release
> from one of the parties in this dispute can hardly be considered a notable
> development worth posting to every RIR’s mailing list.
>
> -C
>
> On Dec 26, 2021, at 3:45 AM, Cheken Chetty 
> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I believe the Internet community is still concerned with the ongoings
> of the lawsuit between Cloud Innovation and AFRINIC. Here's a post I saw
> recently :
>
> https://cloudinnovation.org/press-release3.html.
>
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Re: [Community-Discuss] Message of Condolences to the family and friends of Mr. Serge Kabwika Ilunga

[Samuel Uzoechi]

My deepest condolences and may the almighty God grant the community and the
family the fortitude to bear this great loss.

Kind Regards,

Samuel Uzoechi.

On Tue, 28 Dec 2021, 16:56 Anthony Ubah,  wrote:

> This is an unfortunate news.
> I wish his family and loved once the fortitude to bear his loss. I also
> extend my condolence to the entire AFRINIC community.
> May he rest in peace.
>
> Anthony
>
> On Thu, Dec 23, 2021, 7:23 AM Eddy Kayihura  wrote:
>
>> Dear Colleagues,
>>
>> It is with profound sadness that we have learnt about the untimely death
>> of our Board Member, Mr Serge Kabwika Ilunga.
>>
>> Mr Serge Kabwika Ilunga has served as a member of the AFRINIC Board since
>> July 2017. While on the Board, Mr. Ilunga served on different committees
>> including the Audit and the Remuneration Committees.
>>
>> Mr. Ilunga was the CEO of CSTelecomex. He has been actively involved in
>> the development of the ICT sector in D.R. Congo where he served for many
>> years numerous organisations including Vodacom Congo in several positions,
>> BSDCongo, a non profit association that works to spread ICT in D.R Congo
>> and promote freeware, among others.
>>
>> He was also a Member of the Institute of Electrical and Electronics
>> Engineers (IEEE), Internet Society and was actively involved in several
>> capacity building programs in D.R. Congo, contributing  to the Organisation
>> of the first National Internet Governance Forum in D.R.Congo, the
>> organisation of the Central Africa Internet Governance Forum, the
>> deployment of KINIX (Kinshasa Exchange Point), among others.
>>
>> We wish to extend our deepest and most heartfelt condolences to the
>> bereaved family, friends and to the Global Internet community.
>>
>> May his soul rest in eternal peace.
>> Eddy Kayihura,
>> Chief Executive Officer,
>> African Network Information Centre (AFRINIC)
>> c...@afrinic.net
>>
>> ……..
>>
>> Chers collègues,
>>
>> C'est avec une profonde tristesse que nous avons appris le décès
>> prématuré de notre membre du conseil d'administration, Monsieur Serge
>> Kabwika Ilunga.
>> M. Serge Kabwika Ilunga était membre du conseil d'administration
>> d'Afrinic depuis juillet 2017. M. Ilunga a siégé dans différents comités,
>> notamment les comités d'audit et de rémunération.
>>
>> M. Ilunga était le directeur général de CSTelecomex. Il a été activement
>> impliqué dans le développement du secteur des TIC en R.D. Congo où il a
>> servi pendant de nombreuses années de nombreuses organisations dont Vodacom
>> Congo à plusieurs postes, BSDCongo, une association à but non lucratif qui
>> œuvre pour la diffusion des TIC au Congo et la promotion des logiciels
>> libres, entre autres.
>>
>> Il était également membre de l'Institute of Electrical and Electronics
>> Engineers (IEEE), de l'Internet Society et a participé activement à
>> plusieurs programmes de renforcement des capacités en R.D. Congo,
>> contribuant à l'organisation du premier Forum national sur la gouvernance
>> de l'Internet en R.D. Congo, à l'organisation du Forum sur la gouvernance
>> de l'Internet en Afrique centrale, au déploiement de KINIX (Kinshasa
>> Exchange Point), entre autres.
>>
>> Nous souhaitons présenter nos plus sincères et profondes condoléances à
>> la famille et aux amis endeuillés ainsi qu'à la communauté Internet
>> mondiale.
>> Que son âme repose dans la paix éternelle.
>>
>> Eddy Kayihura,
>> Chief Executive Officer,
>> African Network Information Centre (AFRINIC)
>> c...@afrinic.net
>>
>> ….
>>
>> زملائي الاعزاء،
>> لقد علمنا بحزن عميق بوفاة عضو مجلس الإدارة السيد سيرج كابويكا إيلونجا في
>> وقت مبكر.
>> عمل السيد Serge Kabwika Ilunga كعضو في مجلس إدارة AFRINIC منذ يوليو
>> 2017.أثناء عضويته في مجلس الإدارة ، عمل السيد إلونجا في لجان مختلفة بما في
>> ذلك لجان التدقيق والمكافآت.
>> السيد Ilunga كان الرئيس التنفيذي لشركة CSTelecomex. شارك بنشاط في تطوير
>> قطاع تكنولوجيا المعلومات والاتصالات في D.R. الكونغو حيث خدم لسنوات عديدة في
>> العديد من المنظمات بما في ذلك Vodacom Congo في عدة مناصب ، BSDCongo ، وهي
>> جمعية غير ربحية تعمل على نشر تكنولوجيا المعلومات والاتصالات في جمهورية
>> الكونغو الديمقراطية والترويج للبرامج المجانية ، من بين أمور أخرى.
>> كان أيضًا عضوًا في معهد مهندسي الكهرباء والإلكترونيات (IEEE) ، وجمعية
>> الإنترنت وشارك بنشاط في العديد من برامج بناء القدرات في D.R. ساهم الكونغو
>> في تنظيم المنتدى الوطني الأول لإدارة الإنترنت في جمهورية الكونغو
>> الديمقراطية ، وتنظيم منتدى حوكمة الإنترنت في وسط إفريقيا ، ونشر KINIX
>> (Kinshasa Exchange Point) ، من بين أمور أخرى.
>> نود أن نتقدم بأعمق وأخلص تعازينا للأسرة المكلومة والأصدقاء ومجتمع
>> الإنترنت العالمي.
>> قد تبقى روحه في فسيح جناته.
>> إيدي كاييهورا ،
>> الرئيس التنفيذى،
>> المركز الأفريقي لمعلومات الشبكة (AFRINIC)
>> c...@afrinic.net
>>
>>
>> …
>>
>> Caros colegas,
>>
>> É com profunda tristeza que tomámos conhecimento da morte prematura do
>> nosso membro da direcção, Serge Kabwika Ilunga.
>>
>> Serge Kabwika Ilunga é 

Re: [Community-Discuss] [arin-ppml] Update on Litigation Between AFRINIC and Cloud Innovation ltd

[sisoko daze]

Ibeanusi made a good point, but Mike made a much better point.

I must say afrinic and cloud innovation/larus are really duking it out at
each other's throat, seeing how even afrinic is breaching court's order
based on the link provided by Cheken. But i'll hold my reservations until i
hear afrinic's side of their update. Would be nice to see what afrinic has
to say on that.

On Tue, 28 Dec 2021, 4:37 pm Mike Silber,  wrote:

> The key difference is that when AfriNIC shares an update, it is from an
> organizational email account and the person’s affiliation is clearly stated.
>
> It is not paid shills pretending to be objective and impartial “community
> members” yet pushing a specific (and presumably paid) objective.
>
> I consider this “astroturfing”, but it is a distinction without a
> difference.
>
> Maybe if you and others of your ilk were more honest about your
> affiliation - the community would find your interventions less
> objectionable. Certainly I would appreciate more transparency and less
> pretense.
>
> On Tue, 28 Dec 2021 at 05:40, Ibeanusi Elvis 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> This “sockpuppet” ideology and terminology that has become an excessively
>> overused irrelevant term in this mailing list. What is wrong with sharing a
>> link of interest or a link that a member consider relevant to him/herself.
>> Freedom of expression is always promoted in this community as long as it
>> does not go out of line. Members of this community including the AFRINIC
>> organization itself always share updates and links; never have it been
>> considered an act of being a “Sockpuppet”. Lets stop throwing words around
>> in this community mailing list and create unwanted confusion.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Elvis.
>>
>> On Dec 28, 2021, at 5:26, Serah Eazy  wrote:
>>
>> I don’t see anything wrong with someone sharing a link of interest to
>> some mailing lists. The past updates have been shared by AFRINIC itself or
>> a community member that wanted to transmit the information and hardly
>> anyone considered that a « sockpuppet » act. Only the two parties involved
>> in the litigation are informed of the case’s latest development and it’s
>> always appreciated when one of them releases a statement to update us about
>> it.
>>
>> Warm Regards
>> Oluwabunmi
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 26, 2021, 9:08 PM Martin Hannigan  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Not sure you do TBH. We (should) all know this is a sock puppet.
>>>
>>> What would be great is if a reputable and neutral press outlet took
>>> interest.
>>>
>>> Warm regards,
>>>
>>> -M<
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 26, 2021 at 12:54 Chris Woodfield 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 It pains me to feel like I have to state the obvious, but a PR release
 from one of the parties in this dispute can hardly be considered a notable
 development worth posting to every RIR’s mailing list.

 -C

 On Dec 26, 2021, at 3:45 AM, Cheken Chetty 
 wrote:

 Hi all,

 I believe the Internet community is still concerned with the ongoings
 of the lawsuit between Cloud Innovation and AFRINIC. Here's a post I saw
 recently :

 https://cloudinnovation.org/press-release3.html.

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Re: [Community-Discuss] Message of Condolences to the family and friends of Mr. Serge Kabwika Ilunga

[Anthony Ubah]

This is an unfortunate news.
I wish his family and loved once the fortitude to bear his loss. I also
extend my condolence to the entire AFRINIC community.
May he rest in peace.

Anthony

On Thu, Dec 23, 2021, 7:23 AM Eddy Kayihura  wrote:

> Dear Colleagues,
>
> It is with profound sadness that we have learnt about the untimely death
> of our Board Member, Mr Serge Kabwika Ilunga.
>
> Mr Serge Kabwika Ilunga has served as a member of the AFRINIC Board since
> July 2017. While on the Board, Mr. Ilunga served on different committees
> including the Audit and the Remuneration Committees.
>
> Mr. Ilunga was the CEO of CSTelecomex. He has been actively involved in
> the development of the ICT sector in D.R. Congo where he served for many
> years numerous organisations including Vodacom Congo in several positions,
> BSDCongo, a non profit association that works to spread ICT in D.R Congo
> and promote freeware, among others.
>
> He was also a Member of the Institute of Electrical and Electronics
> Engineers (IEEE), Internet Society and was actively involved in several
> capacity building programs in D.R. Congo, contributing  to the Organisation
> of the first National Internet Governance Forum in D.R.Congo, the
> organisation of the Central Africa Internet Governance Forum, the
> deployment of KINIX (Kinshasa Exchange Point), among others.
>
> We wish to extend our deepest and most heartfelt condolences to the
> bereaved family, friends and to the Global Internet community.
>
> May his soul rest in eternal peace.
> Eddy Kayihura,
> Chief Executive Officer,
> African Network Information Centre (AFRINIC)
> c...@afrinic.net
>
> ……..
>
> Chers collègues,
>
> C'est avec une profonde tristesse que nous avons appris le décès prématuré
> de notre membre du conseil d'administration, Monsieur Serge Kabwika Ilunga.
> M. Serge Kabwika Ilunga était membre du conseil d'administration d'Afrinic
> depuis juillet 2017. M. Ilunga a siégé dans différents comités, notamment
> les comités d'audit et de rémunération.
>
> M. Ilunga était le directeur général de CSTelecomex. Il a été activement
> impliqué dans le développement du secteur des TIC en R.D. Congo où il a
> servi pendant de nombreuses années de nombreuses organisations dont Vodacom
> Congo à plusieurs postes, BSDCongo, une association à but non lucratif qui
> œuvre pour la diffusion des TIC au Congo et la promotion des logiciels
> libres, entre autres.
>
> Il était également membre de l'Institute of Electrical and Electronics
> Engineers (IEEE), de l'Internet Society et a participé activement à
> plusieurs programmes de renforcement des capacités en R.D. Congo,
> contribuant à l'organisation du premier Forum national sur la gouvernance
> de l'Internet en R.D. Congo, à l'organisation du Forum sur la gouvernance
> de l'Internet en Afrique centrale, au déploiement de KINIX (Kinshasa
> Exchange Point), entre autres.
>
> Nous souhaitons présenter nos plus sincères et profondes condoléances à la
> famille et aux amis endeuillés ainsi qu'à la communauté Internet mondiale.
> Que son âme repose dans la paix éternelle.
>
> Eddy Kayihura,
> Chief Executive Officer,
> African Network Information Centre (AFRINIC)
> c...@afrinic.net
>
> ….
>
> زملائي الاعزاء،
> لقد علمنا بحزن عميق بوفاة عضو مجلس الإدارة السيد سيرج كابويكا إيلونجا في
> وقت مبكر.
> عمل السيد Serge Kabwika Ilunga كعضو في مجلس إدارة AFRINIC منذ يوليو
> 2017.أثناء عضويته في مجلس الإدارة ، عمل السيد إلونجا في لجان مختلفة بما في
> ذلك لجان التدقيق والمكافآت.
> السيد Ilunga كان الرئيس التنفيذي لشركة CSTelecomex. شارك بنشاط في تطوير
> قطاع تكنولوجيا المعلومات والاتصالات في D.R. الكونغو حيث خدم لسنوات عديدة في
> العديد من المنظمات بما في ذلك Vodacom Congo في عدة مناصب ، BSDCongo ، وهي
> جمعية غير ربحية تعمل على نشر تكنولوجيا المعلومات والاتصالات في جمهورية
> الكونغو الديمقراطية والترويج للبرامج المجانية ، من بين أمور أخرى.
> كان أيضًا عضوًا في معهد مهندسي الكهرباء والإلكترونيات (IEEE) ، وجمعية
> الإنترنت وشارك بنشاط في العديد من برامج بناء القدرات في D.R. ساهم الكونغو
> في تنظيم المنتدى الوطني الأول لإدارة الإنترنت في جمهورية الكونغو
> الديمقراطية ، وتنظيم منتدى حوكمة الإنترنت في وسط إفريقيا ، ونشر KINIX
> (Kinshasa Exchange Point) ، من بين أمور أخرى.
> نود أن نتقدم بأعمق وأخلص تعازينا للأسرة المكلومة والأصدقاء ومجتمع الإنترنت
> العالمي.
> قد تبقى روحه في فسيح جناته.
> إيدي كاييهورا ،
> الرئيس التنفيذى،
> المركز الأفريقي لمعلومات الشبكة (AFRINIC)
> c...@afrinic.net
>
>
> …
>
> Caros colegas,
>
> É com profunda tristeza que tomámos conhecimento da morte prematura do
> nosso membro da direcção, Serge Kabwika Ilunga.
>
> Serge Kabwika Ilunga é membro do Conselho de Administração da AFRINIC
> desde Julho de 2017. O Sr. Ilunga serviu em diferentes comissões, incluindo
> as Comissões de Auditoria e de Remuneração.
>
> O Sr. Ilunga era o CEO da CSTelecomex. Tem estado activamente envolvido no
> desenvolvimento do sector das TIC na R.D. Congo, onde serviu durante muitos

Re: [Community-Discuss] [arin-ppml] Update on Litigation Between AFRINIC and Cloud Innovation ltd

[Mark Tinka]

On 12/28/21 10:36, Mike Silber wrote:
The key difference is that when AfriNIC shares an update, it is from 
an organizational email account and the person’s affiliation is 
clearly stated.


It is not paid shills pretending to be objective and impartial 
“community members” yet pushing a specific (and presumably paid) 
objective.


I consider this “astroturfing”, but it is a distinction without a 
difference.


Maybe if you and others of your ilk were more honest about your 
affiliation - the community would find your interventions less 
objectionable. Certainly I would appreciate more transparency and less 
pretense.


100%.

Mark.

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Re: [Community-Discuss] [arin-ppml] Update on Litigation Between AFRINIC and Cloud Innovation ltd

[Murungi Daniel via Community-Discuss]

Right on Mike. Thank you.

Regards,
Daniel 


> On Dec 28, 2021, at 11:36 AM, Mike Silber  wrote:
> 
> The key difference is that when AfriNIC shares an update, it is from an 
> organizational email account and the person’s affiliation is clearly stated.
> 
> It is not paid shills pretending to be objective and impartial “community 
> members” yet pushing a specific (and presumably paid) objective.
> 
> I consider this “astroturfing”, but it is a distinction without a difference.
> 
> Maybe if you and others of your ilk were more honest about your affiliation - 
> the community would find your interventions less objectionable. Certainly I 
> would appreciate more transparency and less pretense.
> 
> On Tue, 28 Dec 2021 at 05:40, Ibeanusi Elvis  > wrote:
> Hello All, 
> 
> This “sockpuppet” ideology and terminology that has become an excessively 
> overused irrelevant term in this mailing list. What is wrong with sharing a 
> link of interest or a link that a member consider relevant to him/herself. 
> Freedom of expression is always promoted in this community as long as it does 
> not go out of line. Members of this community including the AFRINIC 
> organization itself always share updates and links; never have it been 
> considered an act of being a “Sockpuppet”. Lets stop throwing words around in 
> this community mailing list and create unwanted confusion. 
> 
> Regards, 
> Elvis. 
> 
>> On Dec 28, 2021, at 5:26, Serah Eazy > > wrote:
>> 
>> I don’t see anything wrong with someone sharing a link of interest to some 
>> mailing lists. The past updates have been shared by AFRINIC itself or a 
>> community member that wanted to transmit the information and hardly anyone 
>> considered that a « sockpuppet » act. Only the two parties involved in the 
>> litigation are informed of the case’s latest development and it’s always 
>> appreciated when one of them releases a statement to update us about it.
>> 
>> Warm Regards
>> Oluwabunmi
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, Dec 26, 2021, 9:08 PM Martin Hannigan > > wrote:
>> 
>> Not sure you do TBH. We (should) all know this is a sock puppet. 
>> 
>> What would be great is if a reputable and neutral press outlet took 
>> interest. 
>> 
>> Warm regards,
>> 
>> -M<
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, Dec 26, 2021 at 12:54 Chris Woodfield > > wrote:
>> It pains me to feel like I have to state the obvious, but a PR release from 
>> one of the parties in this dispute can hardly be considered a notable 
>> development worth posting to every RIR’s mailing list.
>> 
>> -C
>> 
>>> On Dec 26, 2021, at 3:45 AM, Cheken Chetty >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all, 
>>> 
>>> I believe the Internet community is still concerned with the ongoings of 
>>> the lawsuit between Cloud Innovation and AFRINIC. Here's a post I saw 
>>> recently : 
>>> 
>>> https://cloudinnovation.org/press-release3.html 
>>> .
>>> 
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Re: [Community-Discuss] [arin-ppml] Update on Litigation Between AFRINIC and Cloud Innovation ltd

[Mike Silber]

The key difference is that when AfriNIC shares an update, it is from an
organizational email account and the person’s affiliation is clearly stated.

It is not paid shills pretending to be objective and impartial “community
members” yet pushing a specific (and presumably paid) objective.

I consider this “astroturfing”, but it is a distinction without a
difference.

Maybe if you and others of your ilk were more honest about your affiliation
- the community would find your interventions less objectionable. Certainly
I would appreciate more transparency and less pretense.

On Tue, 28 Dec 2021 at 05:40, Ibeanusi Elvis 
wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> This “sockpuppet” ideology and terminology that has become an excessively
> overused irrelevant term in this mailing list. What is wrong with sharing a
> link of interest or a link that a member consider relevant to him/herself.
> Freedom of expression is always promoted in this community as long as it
> does not go out of line. Members of this community including the AFRINIC
> organization itself always share updates and links; never have it been
> considered an act of being a “Sockpuppet”. Lets stop throwing words around
> in this community mailing list and create unwanted confusion.
>
> Regards,
> Elvis.
>
> On Dec 28, 2021, at 5:26, Serah Eazy  wrote:
>
> I don’t see anything wrong with someone sharing a link of interest to some
> mailing lists. The past updates have been shared by AFRINIC itself or a
> community member that wanted to transmit the information and hardly anyone
> considered that a « sockpuppet » act. Only the two parties involved in the
> litigation are informed of the case’s latest development and it’s always
> appreciated when one of them releases a statement to update us about it.
>
> Warm Regards
> Oluwabunmi
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 26, 2021, 9:08 PM Martin Hannigan  wrote:
>
>>
>> Not sure you do TBH. We (should) all know this is a sock puppet.
>>
>> What would be great is if a reputable and neutral press outlet took
>> interest.
>>
>> Warm regards,
>>
>> -M<
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 26, 2021 at 12:54 Chris Woodfield 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It pains me to feel like I have to state the obvious, but a PR release
>>> from one of the parties in this dispute can hardly be considered a notable
>>> development worth posting to every RIR’s mailing list.
>>>
>>> -C
>>>
>>> On Dec 26, 2021, at 3:45 AM, Cheken Chetty 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I believe the Internet community is still concerned with the ongoings of
>>> the lawsuit between Cloud Innovation and AFRINIC. Here's a post I saw
>>> recently :
>>>
>>> https://cloudinnovation.org/press-release3.html.
>>>
>>> Regards
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