Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Resolution requesting the boards resignation

[Raz BIRAMAH via Community-Discuss]

+1

Raz
 

> Le 22 avr. 2018 à 17:50, Sander Steffann  a écrit :
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Dear Mark,
>> 
>> The Board at a special meeting held on the 18th of April 2018 had the 
>> opportunity to reconsider your request  to include a standard resolution in 
>> the upcoming AGMM agenda. The Board has decided not to include it in the 
>> agenda inline with section 12.14(ix) of the bylaw.
>> 
> When I first read this my response was WTF. Since then my wording has only 
> gotten stronger so I will not write it on this list.
>> However, the Board suggests that the item can be discussed during the Open 
>> Mic session should members be interested.
>> 
> This is no substitution for a vote...
> 
> I am not a member of afrinic, so I have no vote in this. But as a member of 
> the global internet community I am appalled by the behaviour of our sister 
> RIR. A board that uses a top-down attitude to silence bottom-up complaints 
> from its constituency has no place in this community.
> 
> Cheers,
> Sander
> 
> 
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Re: [Community-Discuss] For attention of the NRO and the boards of the respective RIR's

[Raz BIRAMAH via Community-Discuss]

Chère communauté
Chers membres du conseil

Dans toute organisation qui clame un temps soit peu un fonctionnement « 
démocratique » ou de « bottom up », quand survient un doute de la base sur la 
confiance accordée à ses dirigeants, la moindre des choses est que ces 
dirigeants demande à ceux qu’ils sont censés représenter, un renouvellement de 
confiance pour continuer à exercer leur fonction.

Je ne pense pas qu’il soit dans l’intérêt de personne dans cette communauté que 
nos dirigeants soient l’objet d’un manque de confiance de la part de la base. 
Il y a eu une sérieuse vague de désapprobation, du peu que j’ai lu ici, sur le 
conseil actuel, et je pense qu’il est de bon sens que ce conseil demande tout 
simplement à la base un renouvellement de confiance pour justement mieux 
adresser les problèmes que les dernières situations ont révélés dans notre 
organisation. Et cette demande ne peux juste pas se faire à travers un Open Mic 
qui par définition est juste, si je ne me trompe, une tribune pour exprimer un 
point de vue à porter à la connaissance des participants à l’assemblée générale.

Aux membres actuels du conseil:
dois-je comprendre que vous estimez qu’il n’y a aucun problème de confiance de 
la part de la communauté? Dois-je comprendre qu’il vous plairait de diriger une 
communauté sachant qu’une partie de cette communauté n’a plus confiance en 
vous? Je crois qu’il n’y a rien de glorieux à se vanter d’être dirigeant si 
ceux qu’on dirige n’ont aucune confiance en vous. Et la seule façon de le 
savoir, à mon humble avis, est de leur poser la question, de nous poser la 
question, à partir du moment où des voix (et pas une seule) ce sont levées dans 
la communauté dans ce sens.

Et je vais finir par ceci: si vous êtes si confiants que la communauté à 
toujours confiance en vous pour continuer dans votre position, alors passer par 
un vote de confiance ne serait qu’une formalité pour vous et vous en 
ressortirez encore plus grandis et surtout confortés dans vos fonction vis à 
vis de ceux qui se plaignent de vous.

Merci,

Raz

 

> Le 22 avr. 2018 à 06:15, Andrew Alston  a 
> écrit :
> 
> Chevalier,
>  
>  
> If relevant board procedue have been followed to table resolution, then i 
> support that resolution be table. Or maybe do an e-vote on the issue, i don't 
> see reason why it must wait till Dakar.
>  
> The procedure was followed – on the 27th of March the board acknowledged the 
> resolution and committed to having it heard  – they then withdrew that and 
> stated it would not be heard. 
>  
>  
> Board chair do say it can be on open mic. Not sure whether it is vote during 
> open mic or just another complain and then we ignore you session.
>  
> The AGMM works by resolution – the bylaws clearly lay out a process for 
> members putting motions on the floor – and without a formal resolution – the 
> community is powerless – the board has stripped this community of their power 
> by their actions here
>  
>  
> Rather than call on these outside people who cannot really change anything 
> here, maybe membership should refuse to discuss on any other item until vote 
> issue is table and clear.
>  
> If member cannot do that, no other board, or NRO can really do nothing.
>  
> Sadly – I am in partial agreement with you – but – we form part of a much 
> larger system – and the appeal also serves as a notification to the rest of 
> the world.  It has long been said that the ITU and other organisations are 
> waiting for the RIR system to fail – to try and capture it – and I see no 
> greater danger than for an RIR board to defy the bottom up process and 
> violate the very precepts that the system is built on in this regard.  It 
> threatens not only AFRINIC but the entire system when a board chooses to 
> ignore its members.
>  
>  
> Instead of a 3 to 4 hour meeting once a year with RIPE board, which will 
> hardly accomplish anything, maybe AFRINIC should give it new board member 
> mandatory training in how a Directeur do their job and how that is measure.
>  
> I agree – but let that training be done by external personnel, because it is 
> quite clear the current board does not have the capacity to do their own 
> jobs, never mind train anyone else to do the job.
>  
>  
> Legitimacy of AFRINIC board depend on AFRINIC community and member. Not board 
> of another RIR
>  
>  Legitimacy is twofold in this context, yes, legitimacy amongst the members, 
> and I would argue that the board refuses to let that legitimacy be tested for 
> fear they would find it no longer exists, but in the wider context, there is 
> legitimacy before the NRO, before the RIR system.  Remember, once we run out 
> of address space in Africa, and when we get to the point where we will have 
> to participate in the transfer market to get more addresses, this interaction 
> with other RIR’s will be critical, unless a global RIR is founded.  I also 
> point out 

Re: [Community-Discuss] Update from the Board regarding recent allegations

[Raz BIRAMAH via Community-Discuss]

Yes Noah,

I think, if we still continue to argue here and discuss and get messy and 
messy, yes we may need to take things to members ground and fix them in somehow 
it needed.

Raz


> Le 23 mars 2018 à 08:32, Noah <n...@neo.co.tz> a écrit :
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, 23 Mar 2018, 9:44 a.m. Badru Ntege, <badru.nt...@nftconsult.com 
> <mailto:badru.nt...@nftconsult.com>> wrote:
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 23 Mar 2018, at 00:13, Raz BIRAMAH via Community-Discuss 
> <community-discuss@afrinic.net <mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net>> wrote:
> 
>> OH Ok
>> 
>> I have the answer to one of my previous question here:
>> 
>>> The Board is seeking legal advice on whether or not there has been a breach 
>>> of any NDA, and expects to receive an answer by 30 March 2018.
>> 
>> That said, i can understand clearly that the acknowledge from the person 
>> itself was a mistake OR some members of the community misunderstood what he 
>> meant.
> 
> We are now moving into the world of technicalities 
> 
> So looks like there’s an argument that as much as information was released to 
> junior members off staff as much as inappropriate that might have been it was 
> not a breach and thus we should take it as acceptable slap the member on the 
> wrist tell him not to do it again and life goes on. 
> 
> T.I.A This is Africa and our typical mentality where folks get used to 
> successfully manipulating the electorate/community and don't realize when the 
> game is up.   
> 
> We will never stand dishonesty and unethical behavior especially when its 
> from leaders.
> 
> We shall now take this to the membership and fix this mess once and for all 
> since the 9 members can no-longer represent our collective interest.
> 
> Noah

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Re: [Community-Discuss] Update from the Board regarding recent allegations

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OH Ok

I have the answer to one of my previous question here:

> The Board is seeking legal advice on whether or not there has been a breach 
> of any NDA, and expects to receive an answer by 30 March 2018.

That said, i can understand clearly that the acknowledge from the person itself 
was a mistake OR some members of the community misunderstood what he meant.

Am I right?

Thanks,

Raz

> Le 22 mars 2018 à 19:50, Alan Barrett  > a écrit :
> 
> Dear AFRINIC community,
> 
> The AFRINIC Board has held several meetings recently, including a special 
> meeting today (22 March 2018) to discuss the recent allegations.  The Board 
> recognises the severity and importance of the allegations, and intends to act 
> as quickly as reasonable, but without undue haste.
> 
> The Board wishes to clarify that the results of the independent investigation 
> are expected to be reported by the Governance Committee on or before 30 April 
> 2018.
> 
> The Board is seeking legal advice on whether or not there has been a breach 
> of any NDA, and expects to receive an answer by 30 March 2018.
> 
> The budget of USD 15,000 was decided as an amount that the Board expects to 
> be more than sufficient, so as to avoid back and forth approval.
> 
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Re: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment

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+1

Raz

> Le 22 mars 2018 à 15:53, Wayne Diamond  > a écrit :
> 
> I personally think this needs to be addressed correctly and not go around and 
> around via this discussion group any longer, which will ultimately get very 
> messy
>  
> If this was a reputable company, all staff involved in both incidents would 
> be suspended immediately and due to the severity of each issue and 
> investigation would generally be launched within days not months as in the 
> case here.
>  
> AfriNic’s name is now starting to be dragged through the mud with all this 
> and will eventually bring AfriNic’s name into disrepute; something that will 
> have far reaching detrimental affects down the line. 
>  
> Some body from the AfriNic board that is NOT implicated in either the 
> harassment or breach of NDA needs to take control now and make a decisive 
> statement to the community in the very near future (as in 72 hours) in order 
> to inform the community of what is being done about each of the issues. The 
> reputation of AfriNic and the community cannot wait until the end of April 
> for an investigation to start. 
>  
> To the board that are not involved in either, get your act together quickly 
> or step down for a new interim board to be appointed in order to resolve this 
> but this cannot continue any longer in this manner.
>  
> Regards,
> Wayne Diamond
> 
> tel: +27 11 640 9700 • fax: 086 686 2445
> 
> wa...@domains.co.za 
> 
> www.domains.co.za  
> 
> 
>  
>  
> From: Andrew Alston  > 
> Sent: 22 March 2018 04:23 PM
> To: Alan Barrett  >; General Discussions of AFRINIC 
> >
> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment
>  
> And see – Sorry Alan, but I view this as entirely unacceptable.
>  
> There is precedent at play here – when the NDA violations in the past were 
> admitted – board members were asked to vacate there seats with immediate 
> effect.  Where they chose to be investigated and have hearings held – those 
> hearings were scheduled by the board again – almost immediately – and the 
> time frames for those hearings clearly communicated.
>  
> The GC has been tasked to report back to the board with TOR’s – that does not 
> even finalize the investigation – that means effectively that the 
> investigation may not start until the 1st of May and there is almost no way 
> that it will be completed before Dakar – and I do not think this community 
> wants to be flying someone – at AfriNIC’s expense – to Dakar – when he has 
> clearly violated the NDA.
>  
> If the board is NOT willing to act in this situation in a consistent manner 
> with the way they have acted in the past – and is willing to apply a double 
> standard – then the board itself becomes complicit – and again – I reiterate 
> – this now has to get to a point where the community starts to ask itself if 
> the board has gone rogue and is simply protecting its own – in which case – 
> is it perhaps time for the community to take stronger action
>  
> Andrew
>  
>  
> From: Alan Barrett [mailto:alan.barr...@afrinic.net 
> ] 
> Sent: 22 March 2018 17:16
> To: General Discussions of AFRINIC  >
> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Allegation of Harassment
>  
> Dear Evelyn,
> 
> Regardless of which allegations are of more or less concern to the community, 
> all allegations will be investigated.
> 
> As the community was informed earlier, the Board has asked the Governance 
> Committee to report back to the Board by 30 April 2018.
> 
> Alan Barrett
> 
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Re: [Community-Discuss] Annual Reports 2014 and 2015 Missing

[Raz BIRAMAH]

Anyway, i think those documents are not really missed. One just need to upload 
them to the website and show the link. Isn’t it?

Raz
  
> Le 27 juin 2016 à 15:04, Badru Ntege  a écrit :
> 
> 
>  +1  
> 
> I hope there’s nothing in the mauritian companies act preventing this from  
> happening.
> 
>   
> 
> On 6/27/16, 3:51 PM, "Mirriam Namwau"  > wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On 27 Jun 2016 13:50, "Alan Barrett" > > wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > > On 27 Jun 2016, at 13:40, Arnaud AMELINA > > > > wrote:
>> >
>> > > Dear CEO,
>> > > 
>> > > Compared to all the above how can you explain the delay of the 2014 
>> > > annual report.
>> >
>> > I will not attempt to explain the delay, except to say that I am still 
>> > learning the requirements, and we will try to do better in future.
>> >
>> Thank you for your frank response and the community hopes that the future 
>> will look different. Please note that this is a requirement for the board 
>> and "some" board members were there when 2013 report was presented and the 
>> organization must have memory. We as a community can't afford to remind 
>> those responsible for their duties especially when reports for 2014 and 2015 
>> are not presented or available on line in year 2016.
>> Mirriam
>> LadiesInTech
>> South Sudan
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Re: [Community-Discuss] post ipv4 depletion frauds, brokers activities

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> Le 27 juin 2016 à 11:18, Noah  a écrit :
> 
> NOTE:  The idea was for them [Number Resources] to be allocated on needs 
> basis and at some administrative fees and if company 'foo'  run out of 
> business and couldn't use them any longer, they were then returned to the 
> parent RIR for re-allocation.

+1

Raz
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Re: [Community-Discuss] Accountability assessment

[Raz BIRAMAH]

Thanks Alan,

Also, is it possible to share with us the points you’ve mentioned in your 
communication during the scheduled « AFRINIC AGMM - AOB - Accountability Review 
/ Update of Bylaws/Open Mic » of Thursday June 9th. It can be the start points 
of the discussions, especially the Update of Bylaws.

Cordialement / Best Regards,
Raz BIRAMAH
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> Le 16 juin 2016 à 15:51, Omo Oaiya <omo.oa...@wacren.net> a écrit :
> 
> 
> On 10 June 2016 at 12:20, Alan Barrett <alan.barr...@afrinic.net 
> <mailto:alan.barr...@afrinic.net>> wrote:
> 
> I invite the community and the membership to comment on these suggestions, or 
> any other areas where the Bylaws could be improved.  Comments should be sent 
> to the community-discuss@afrinic.net <mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net> 
> mailing list.  In due course, Bylaws changes will be drafted to implement the 
> suggestions (and additional points that might be identified).
> 
> 
> Thanks Alan.  How long are comments open for?  When will they be considered?  
> When can we expect to finalize this ?
> 
> -Omo
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