Re: [Community-Discuss] [rpd] ARIN without Owen Delong ?
The cochairs have been bullied to a hiding corner I may presume. On Fri, 16 Jul 2021, 16:10 Marcus K. G. Adomey, wrote: > Hi again Owen, > > Let me then help you with some easy and praticable questions here so > that we close this case. > > Following your attachment to some recent developments between cloud > Innovation and AFRINIC, are you paid by cloud innovations or related > companies? Is your departure from arin ac anyhow related to this > relationship ? > > Hope this helps > > > > > Marcus > -- > *From:* Marcus K. G. Adomey > *Sent:* Thursday, July 15, 2021 6:54:26 PM > *To:* Owen DeLong > *Cc:* community-discuss@afrinic.net ; > AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List > *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] [rpd] ARIN without Owen Delong ? > > Hi Owen. > > Interesting that one must get a petition signed by 5 people for you to > response to a such easy inquiry. > > Your private mails did not say anything beyond what you publicly said and > which triggered my follow on points. > > As we all participate in Policy development as “ individual “ … one need > to know where are the possible or perceived conflicts of Interest coming > from and why it was not dealt with according to CoI policy > > What is seen as Conflict over there can also be a conflict here and best > practices call for these to be disclosed. > > > > > Marcus > > -- > *From:* Owen DeLong > *Sent:* Thursday, July 15, 2021 12:08:32 AM > *To:* Marcus K. G. Adomey > *Cc:* DANIEL NANGHAKA ; AfriNIC Resource Policy > Discussion List ; community-discuss@afrinic.net < > community-discuss@afrinic.net> > *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] [rpd] ARIN without Owen Delong ? > > Once again, list, I apologize… > > I did not Bcc it to anyone. I did send it only to Daniel and to you. The > fact that you know I sent it to Daniel is proof that it was not a BCC and > that you apparently do not understand how email works. Please (re)read RFCs > 821, 822, and 1123. Try to understand them this time. > > As to why, because while you may be a huge fan of mine with a distorted > view of the importance of my actions to the entire community, the reality > is that this is a fairly mundane action I took in America regarding a > leadership position in an RIR that has no jurisdiction anywhere near Africa > and that it has no impact or effect on anyone in this community that I can > think of. In short it simply isn’t relevant and isn’t a valid subject for > this list. > > Please do tell what it is that you think is of interest to the community > here and what you believe you need to know that I have not already answered? > > It’s not that I’m trying to hide anything, it’s just that I am at a loss > to figure out what you are so interested in. > > If more than 5 people express interest in the answer to your question, > then I will answer it publicly. Otherwise, I will take it as an indication > that I am correct that it is off topic and uninteresting except to you and > respond privately. > > Owen > > > > On Jul 14, 2021, at 05:26 , Marcus K. G. Adomey > wrote: > > Hi Owen, > > Why have you BCC me the email you sent to Daniel? Why can't you send your > response to the entire mailing list? Is there something hidden in this > private email and you would not want the others to know about? The point > being discuss is of interest and we need to know. > > Please let us be transparent and open to the PDWG. > > Thanks, > > > > Marcus > > > > > -- > *From:* Owen DeLong > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 14, 2021 10:56 AM > *To:* DANIEL NANGHAKA ; Marcus K. G. Adomey < > mado...@hotmail.com> > *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] [rpd] ARIN without Owen Delong ? > > Daniel, > > Responding in private since this is off-topic for the list. > > This really has nothing to do with the AFRNIC PDP and has to do with > things I want to be able to say and advocate for in the ARIN region. > > There is no conflict between my activities in AFRINIC PDP and my role on > the ARIN AC. > > As to my interest in the AFRINIC PDP, you should note that I’m also at > various times active in APNIC, LACNIC, RIPE, and ARIN PDPs. > > I make my living as a consultant and I have at various times had clients > all over the world and some clients with global networks. As a result, I am > often asked to pay attention to the PDP in those regions. > > I am also someone with a strong sense of community service. As such, since > I am obliged to monitor the process for my client(s) anyway, I will often > work towards what I perceive as the best interests of the community > (regardless of whether it is best for my client or not) and I will often > advocate as such. In general, I select clients who are generally > ideologically aligned with me. > > One exception is Cloud Innovation. While I am not ideologically 100% in > agreement with them and do not necessarily favor the current state of > policy which benefits them, I am even
Re: [Community-Discuss] Notice to all the legacy netblocks holders in AfriNIC
Noah, you have spoken well. On Fri, 30 Oct 2020, 19:01 Noah, wrote: > Elad > > The Code of Conduct is there to stop such defamation. Since its been > invoked, its a call to both you and Roland to calm down. > > The reasons I am calling your back and forth exchange crap is because am > on other lists where I have seen you both go on each other just like you > were attempting to do here and its not new to some of us. > > Let us have a civilized discourse for we are a polite community. > > That is all am saying. > > Noah > > On Fri, 30 Oct 2020, 20:47 Elad Cohen, wrote: > >> Noah, >> >> All I'm doing is to respond to an organized defamation campaign against >> me. >> >> I take it as an offence when you reference my response as "crap" after my >> blood was spilled here in community-discuss mailing list for almost a year, >> without you raising your voice when my blood was spilled here for such long >> time. To the point that I needed to start a legal case against AfriNIC >> because my blood was spilled here. >> >> Kind Regards, >> Elad >> -- >> *From:* Noah >> *Sent:* Friday, October 30, 2020 7:36 PM >> *To:* Ali Hussein >> *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC ; >> AFRINIC Communication >> *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Notice to all the legacy netblocks >> holders in AfriNIC >> >> Ali >> >> This two have been going on each other for a while now and for those on >> other lists like NANOG etc we have read enough of their crap esp when they >> go personal and its just that we didnt expect to see the same crap on the >> AFRINIC lists. >> >> So its good that AFRINIC invoked the CoC which can come in handy. >> >> Better they stick to issues if they both want further engagement with >> this polite and hospitable community. >> >> Noah >> >> On Fri, 30 Oct 2020, 15:58 Ali Hussein, wrote: >> >> Great to see Afrinic finally taking action to curb this behavior. >> >> *Ali Hussein* >> *Digital Transformation * >> >> +254 0713 601113 >> >> Twitter: @AliHKassim >> >> Skype: abu-jomo >> >> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim >> >> "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a >> habit." ~ Aristotle >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On 30 Oct 2020, at 2:33 PM, AFRINIC Communication >> wrote: >> >> >> Dear Mr Cohen, >> >> AFRINIC in its role to enforce the code of conduct on the community >> mailing list is issuing you your first written warning for the offensive >> behavior displayed against another member of the community list, namely Mr. >> Ronlad F. Guilmette on the thread titled “Notice to all the legacy >> netblocks holders in AfriNIC” >> >> >> https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/community-discuss/2020-October/003713.html >> >> https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/community-discuss/2020-October/003715.html >> >> https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/community-discuss/2020-October/003718.html >> >> You went on to continue with such behaviour after the AFRINIC >> communications team reminded the list of the code of conduct by sending out >> the following email >> >> >> https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/community-discuss/2020-October/003723.html >> >> In light of above, your behaviour has been deemed as offensive, >> discriminatory, and intimidating as it included personal attacks.This is in >> direct violation with Sections II and III of AFRINIC’s Code of Conduct. >> https://afrinic.net/code >> >> You are hereby reminded to abide by the AFRINIC Code of Conduct when >> interacting with the AFRINIC community at all times. >> >> For more information please refer to the following blog. >> https://afrinic.net/20200903-code-of-conduct >> >> Please refrain from acting inappropriately on AFRINIC mailing lists again. >> >> AFRINIC Communications Team >> >> …… >> >> Cher Monsieur Cohen, >> >> AFRINIC dans le cadre de son action pour faire respecter le code de >> conduite sur la liste de diffusion communautaire vous adresse un premier >> avertissement écrit pour le comportement offensant à l'encontre d'un autre >> membre de la liste communautaire, à savoir M. Ronlad F. Guilmette sur le >> fil intitulé "Notice to all the legacy netblocks holders in AfriNIC". >> >> >> https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/community-discuss/2020-October/003713.html >> >> https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/community-discuss/2020-October/003715.html >> >> https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/community-discuss/2020-October/003718.html >> >> Vous avez continué avec ce comportement même après que l'équipe de >> communication AFRINIC ait fait un rappel sur le code de conduite en >> envoyant le courriel suivant: >> >> >> https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/community-discuss/2020-October/003723.html >> >> À la lumière de ce qui précède, votre comportement a été perçu comme >> étant offensant, discriminatoire et intimidant car il inclut des attaques >> personnelles. Ceci est en violation directe avec les sections II et III du >> code de conduite de l'AFRINIC :
Re: [Community-Discuss] Kill the Messenger
I don't think these curses and abuses are a true reflection of our
community. Can't these issues be resolved without all the banter? And this
comment is seriously against Afrinic code of conduct.
what Mr. Cohen has actually done"
Keep on spreading lies, causing AfriNIC to take unjustified actions and to
cause other people to repeat your proofless narrative and to cause innocent
people to be sued only because they are following your insane proofless
mind.
Coconut, take your unfounded theories to the next mailing list until you
will be blocked from there as well (like you were blocked in Nanog, in
RIPE, and now here), and clean your pores with your tears.
Ronald, as explained in the last part of my last reply, you are the lawless
one, you are the anti christ according to old scriptures.
Without ever seeing you I'm willing to bet in front of everyone regarding
everything that I have, that these are your characteristics that are
written clearly in old scriptures:
- You are blond.
- You are bald.
- One eye of you is bigger than the other.
- One arm of you is bigger than the other.
- You have leprosy in your forehead.
- Your right ear is blocked and the left ear is opened. (it is written in
old scriptures: that when a person is coming to you to tell good things
about people you give him the blocked right ear, and when a person is
coming to you to tell bad things about people you give him the opened left
ear).
Anyone following you is following the ancient snake, because you are the
lawless one.
On Tue, 27 Oct 2020, 12:25 Elad Cohen, wrote:
> "what Mr. Cohen has actually done"
>
> Keep on spreading lies, causing AfriNIC to take unjustified actions and to
> cause other people to repeat your proofless narrative and to cause innocent
> people to be sued only because they are following your insane proofless
> mind.
>
> Coconut, take your unfounded theories to the next mailing list until you
> will be blocked from there as well (like you were blocked in Nanog, in
> RIPE, and now here), and clean your pores with your tears.
>
> Ronald, as explained in the last part of my last reply, you are the
> lawless one, you are the anti christ according to old scriptures.
>
> Without ever seeing you I'm willing to bet in front of everyone regarding
> everything that I have, that these are your characteristics that are
> written clearly in old scriptures:
>
> - You are blond.
> - You are bald.
> - One eye of you is bigger than the other.
> - One arm of you is bigger than the other.
> - You have leprosy in your forehead.
> - Your right ear is blocked and the left ear is opened. (it is written in
> old scriptures: that when a person is coming to you to tell good things
> about people you give him the blocked right ear, and when a person is
> coming to you to tell bad things about people you give him the opened left
> ear).
>
> Anyone following you is following the ancient snake, because you are the
> lawless one.
> --
> *From:* Ronald F. Guilmette
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 27, 2020 12:57 PM
> *To:* community-discuss@afrinic.net ;
> gov...@afrinic.net
> *Subject:* [Community-Discuss] Kill the Messenger
>
> I am in reciept this evening, California time, of a rather formal looking
> letter, on AFRINIC letterhead, sent to me by Guylaine Laiyra afrinic.net>, acting in her capacity as secretariat of the AFRINIC
> Governance Committee.
>
> The letter informs me that the Governance Committee has been requested,
> by some unspecified party, to investigate a possible breach of the AFRINIC
> Code of Conduct committed by myself, on Aug 20, 2020 at 00:42:39 UTC.
>
> The letter goes on to request "a wrtten explanation of {my} conduct"
> and invites me to "give a reason why the AFRINIC Code of Conduct should
> not be enforced against {me}."
>
> To the extent that I am willing to offer any such, this email will have
> to suffice as my response.
>
> The admirable brevity of the letter I recieved is exceeded only by its
> abundant ambiguity. Who has made this request for retribution? The
> letter does not say. The letter thus fails one of the most fundamental
> tests of civilized jurisdrudence -- the right of the accused to face
> his accuser.
>
> This leaves me to wonder who has taken offense. Was it Mr. Cohen, the
> very individual who is currently engaged in legal warfare against this
> very institution, AFRINIC? Was it Eddy Kayihura or some member of the
> Board, who may have taken exception to the fact that I have pointed out
> their collective lackadaisical approach to this entire colossal and
> currently still ongoing scandal of the stolen IP space?
>
> Apparently, I am not entitled to know who is accusing me of an offense.
>
> Nor, it seems, am I entitled to know which specific section of the AFRINIC
> Code of Conduct I have purportedly violated. (And this is more than a
> little Kafkaesque. All I am told is that I shall be put on trial for my
> offenses, and I am then left to my own devices
Re: [Community-Discuss] Larus foundation fellowship
Hello there, I am an advocate for freedom of speech and expression and I think that what Larus foundation did was to do a summary of the policies to enable it's fellows to understand the policies better before discussions during the PDP and concerning the 16million IP addresses, I don't think Larus Stole them but I guess they were acquired legally by Larus foundation. Finally, I urge Larus foundation to put more effort in making summaries of all the policies that are meant to be discussed during the PDP and also place it in a public domain for newbies. ..Tom Ochang Nigeria. On Tue, 2 Jul 2019, 16:04 Andrew Alston, wrote: > Just one final thought on this – > > “I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right > to say it” – Evelyn Beatrice Hall (Friends of Voltaire, 1906) > > Andrew > > > > > > *From:* Andrew Alston > *Sent:* Tuesday, 2 July 2019 15:34 > *To:* wafa DAHMANI ; community-discuss@afrinic.net > *Cc:* r...@afrinic.net > *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Larus foundation fellowship > > > > Wafa, > > So – let me say this. I see a document here – which lays out the policies > – and provides a perspective of problems, it also lists the pros and cons. > Yes, Lazarus may have used the foundation to lobby for its position, but – > one of the things that I have long accepted in my life is – if you believe > in something – you have to lobby for it – and to be frank – the summary > that I see in this document – is something that by and large – should have > been done long before they got around to it. > > If I, as an individual, feel strongly about something, I am entirely free > to go and advocate for my position. I am also entirely free to sponsor > people to come to a public meeting – and I am entirely free to choose those > people as I so wish, if I choose the people who agree with me, well, that’s > life – but it certainly aint against the rules, it is the political nature > of internet policy development. Do you think that similar does not happen > elsewhere? People lobby for the positions that they care about. It > happens in politics, it happens in life, and yet now we want to cry when > someone else does the same thing. > > Let me also say – it’s not like this hasn’t been happening before – and I > want to quote from the OIF website: *IOF organises political activities > and actions of multilateral cooperation that benefit French-speaking > populations.* > > Yet – this is an organization that for years has spent money filling the > room with people – and that statement does not say – is of benefit to > Africa – it does not say is of benefit to the African continent – it does > not say is to the benefit of the continent – it singles out a single > demographic on the continent and says – we do what we do for their > benefit. Now, let me be very clear, if they wish to do that – I’m > actually ok with it – though I admit I have waivered on this stance – > however, we cannot say – because it’s a government political organization – > it’s ok – but when a member chooses to have a foundation – and sponsor > people to the meetings – and then lobby for the positions that member is > passionate about – suddenly its wrong. That is called hypocrisy. > > In Point Noire, I watched people walk to the microphone – with slips of > paper and read a comment on a policy – and then go and sit down – and the > same happened in Botswana. Except, what I found was, when queried on the > position that was taken at the microphone, the individual reading what they > had off the paper, had patently obviously never read the policy and didn’t > understand the position they were taking themselves. So who was behind > that? And all of that – is on video for the world to see – but – it was ok > then – suddenly it changes now because we don’t like the individual doing > it? > > Sorry – this isn’t the way it works – and let me be clear – Lu Heng is not > a friend of mine, and in fact in Mauritius I had some pretty strong things > to say to him to his face, in front of others who will testify to what I > said to him – however – I respect his rights as a member to participate in > what is essentially a democratic process, that means – I respect his right > to lobby for his views, I respect his right to put boots on the ground, and > I respect his right to have his say. In the same way – I respect the right > of any member to do that – and I respect the right of the members to then > rebut what is said if they do not agree with it.It is through this > lobbying position and through the back and forth that accompanies it, that > great policy is born – it is not through acquiescence, nor is it through > the silencing of the rights of others. >
