Re: [Community-Discuss] [AFRINIC-Announce] Common Statement By AF* on Internet Shutdowns in Africa

[Chevalier du Borg]

2017-06-10 0:28 GMT+04:00 Sunday Folayan :

> Just for the records: AfriNIC Ltd did organize these at AIS '17:
>
> 1. https://www.internetsummitafrica.org/daily-recap/158-ais17-daily-
> recap-2
> The AfGWG-16 Meeting saw several government officials, regulators and law
> enforcement agencies gather on Monday 29 May from 10:00 am to 3.00 pm. It
> was a closed session.
>
> 2. https://www.internetsummitafrica.org/daily-recap/161-ais-17-daily-
> recap-3-30-may
> Panel on Internet Shutdown
> This session was held with the objective to demystify Internet Shutdown in
> Africa and view it with the lens of different stakeholders in the region.
> Panelists representing various stakeholder groups (Technical Community,
> Business Community, Civil Society, and Government) discussed the topic.
> The panel consisted of:
> 1. Moderator and Academia: Prof Nii Quaynor - Ghana
> 2. AFRINIC and Technical representative and Business, Mr Sunday
> Folayan - Nigeria
> 3. Dr Chérif Diallo, Ministry of ICT - Senegal
> 4. Government ARPCE, Luc Missidimbazi - Congo
> 5. KICTANET & Civil Society, Grace Githaiga - Kenya
> 6. Civil Society, Kathleen Ndongmo - Cameroon
> 7. Communication Authority of Kenya, Mr Vincent Ngundi - Kenya
>
> Watch the video of this session at : https://www.internetsummitafrica.org/
> participate-remotely/internet-shutdown
>


Will any of this have happen if there was no anti-shutdown proposal? We
only have to look at history of shutdowns and agenda of all past AfriNIC
meeting and we will likely reach same conclusion.


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Re: [Community-Discuss] [AFRINIC-Announce] Common Statement By AF* on Internet Shutdowns in Africa

[Chevalier du Borg]

2017-06-09 23:53 GMT+04:00 Ismail Settenda :

> Really, on whose behalf are you speaking, I certainly didn't think Andrew
> is horrible.
>


'horrible'  → https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm



>
>


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Re: [Community-Discuss] [AFRINIC-Announce] Common Statement By AF* on Internet Shutdowns in Africa

[Ismail Settenda]

Really, on whose behalf are you speaking, I certainly didn't think Andrew
is horrible.

I suspect the issue is more in this saying I think I saw at the Jo'burg
Airport..“If you want to go quickly, go alone. If you want to go far, go
together.”.

I don't think Andrew fully appreciates this statement IMHO, and I think if
he did he would get more support for his ideas which are pretty good.

However the water have been churned let's see what happens on the global
level...its looking better on the front...(-:.

Best regards


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On Jun 9, 2017 8:50 PM, "Chevalier du Borg"  wrote:
>
>
> 2017-06-06 17:17 GMT+04:00 Ornella GANKPA :
>
>> We ended up with this statement because this community is resilient and
>> survived to the abuse of the AFRINIC PDP by the authors of the
>> anti-shutdown policy proposal which unfortunately included a board member
>> who somehow failed to recognise that their fiduciary duties extended to
>> keeping the PDP on scope and protecting its credibility.
>>
>
>
>
>>
>> One would have expected that after the first statement (1), the board
>> would engage other AF* organisations and create the appropriate forum for
>> the community to discuss the Internet shutdown issues and lead this
>> community to concrete outcomes.
>>
>
> But board did not. But even discussion about this on community list show
> how immature this community is to discuss issue. we seem more caught up in
> 'horrible' Andrew and need to fight anyting he propose rather than have
> intelligent thing about what may be possible to do.
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Community-Discuss] [AFRINIC-Announce] Common Statement By AF* on Internet Shutdowns in Africa

[Sunday Folayan]

On 09/06/2017 18:47, Chevalier du Borg wrote:


2017-06-06 17:17 GMT+04:00 Ornella GANKPA >:


We ended up with this statement because this community is
resilient and survived to the abuse of the AFRINIC PDP by the
authors of the anti-shutdown policy proposal which unfortunately
included a board member who somehow failed to recognise that their
fiduciary duties extended to keeping the PDP on scope and
protecting its credibility.

One would have expected that after the first statement (1), the
board would engage other AF* organisations and create the
appropriate forum for the community to discuss the Internet
shutdown issues and lead this community to concrete outcomes.


But board did not. But even discussion about this on community list 
show how immature this community is to discuss issue. we seem more 
caught up in 'horrible' Andrew and need to fight anyting he propose 
rather than have intelligent thing about what may be possible to do.


Just for the records: AfriNIC Ltd did organize these at AIS '17:

1. https://www.internetsummitafrica.org/daily-recap/158-ais17-daily-recap-2
The AfGWG-16 Meeting saw several government officials, regulators and 
law enforcement agencies gather on Monday 29 May from 10:00 am to 3.00 
pm. It was a closed session.


2. 
https://www.internetsummitafrica.org/daily-recap/161-ais-17-daily-recap-3-30-may

Panel on Internet Shutdown
This session was held with the objective to demystify Internet Shutdown 
in Africa and view it with the lens of different stakeholders in the 
region. Panelists representing various stakeholder groups (Technical 
Community, Business Community, Civil Society, and Government) discussed 
the topic.

The panel consisted of:
1. Moderator and Academia: Prof Nii Quaynor - Ghana
2. AFRINIC and Technical representative and Business, Mr Sunday 
Folayan - Nigeria

3. Dr Chérif Diallo, Ministry of ICT - Senegal
4. Government ARPCE, Luc Missidimbazi - Congo
5. KICTANET & Civil Society, Grace Githaiga - Kenya
6. Civil Society, Kathleen Ndongmo - Cameroon
7. Communication Authority of Kenya, Mr Vincent Ngundi - Kenya

Watch the video of this session at : 
https://www.internetsummitafrica.org/participate-remotely/internet-shutdown




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Re: [Community-Discuss] [AFRINIC-Announce] Common Statement By AF* on Internet Shutdowns in Africa

[Chevalier du Borg]

2017-06-06 17:17 GMT+04:00 Ornella GANKPA :

> We ended up with this statement because this community is resilient and
> survived to the abuse of the AFRINIC PDP by the authors of the
> anti-shutdown policy proposal which unfortunately included a board member
> who somehow failed to recognise that their fiduciary duties extended to
> keeping the PDP on scope and protecting its credibility.
>



>
> One would have expected that after the first statement (1), the board
> would engage other AF* organisations and create the appropriate forum for
> the community to discuss the Internet shutdown issues and lead this
> community to concrete outcomes.
>

But board did not. But even discussion about this on community list show
how immature this community is to discuss issue. we seem more caught up in
'horrible' Andrew and need to fight anyting he propose rather than have
intelligent thing about what may be possible to do.





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Re: [Community-Discuss] [AFRINIC-Announce] Common Statement By AF* on Internet Shutdowns in Africa

[Andrew Alston]

So, at this point, I need to climb in.

Firstly – I argue that the credibility of the PDP process was protected at all 
times.
Secondly – as to the scope of the PDP –

Let us look at what the policy says:

If you do X, it has implications on your assignments.

Let us now look at other policies as regards IP space:

If you do not assign your space – there are implications – you cannot get RDNS

Also under discussion – if your DNS delegation is lame – it is removed.

The policy we proposed said – if you do X, it has implications.

This is very much in scope of the PDP.  Had we proposed a modification to the 
RSA under the PDP – it would have been considered outside of the PDP – which 
would have been outside of scope (for example, had we said, a condition in the 
RSA should be that you agree not to cause either a partial shutdown or a total 
shutdown as part of the RSA conditions, that could not have gone through the 
PDP)

As for the me being a former board member – it has been made exceeding clear to 
this community over and over again – board members in the context of policy are 
speaking as individuals, they do not wear board hats, and the boards only role 
in the PDP is the ratification of policy after it has passed, and as once again 
was made clear, should the author of a policy sit on the board at the time of 
ratification – they would be recused from the ratification discussion.  This is 
actually codified in the bylaws since as per the special resolution passed in 
Mauritius no board member may vote from a conflicted position on any resolution 
– and since boards operate entirely by resolution and voting on a policy that 
the board member authored would constitute a certain conflict – they are 
prohibited from voting for or against the ratification.

So for myself – I stand by the policy proposal – and further edits to the 
policy will be coming – and under the current PDP process – the policy will 
return – albeit with some pretty serious modification stemming from the 
comments on the floor of the PDP – we have been given many ideas and many 
thoughts and much to think about in the context of that discussion – but right 
now – we have not withdrawn the policy – and it is still within the PDP process.

Thanks

Andrew


From: Ornella GANKPA [mailto:honest1...@gmail.com]
Sent: 06 June 2017 16:18
To: Saul Stein ; General Discussions of AFRINIC 

Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] [AFRINIC-Announce] Common Statement By AF* on 
Internet Shutdowns in Africa


Hi Saul,

We ended up with this statement because this community is resilient and 
survived to the abuse of the AFRINIC PDP by the authors of the anti-shutdown 
policy proposal which unfortunately included a board member who somehow failed 
to recognise that their fiduciary duties extended to keeping the PDP on scope 
and protecting its credibility.

One would have expected that after the first statement (1), the board would 
engage other AF* organisations and create the appropriate forum for the 
community to discuss the Internet shutdown issues and lead this community to 
concrete outcomes.

Regards,

Honest Ornella GANKPA
Le 05/06/2017 à 08:08, Saul Stein a écrit :

Hi



There has been a lot of negativity (and a little positivity) about the shutdown 
proposal.



The authors at the time admitted that it probably wouldn’t pass in its current 
form but wanted to address with the community a way to deal with the injustices 
that were taking place on the continent (and around the world for that matter) 
of internet shut downs.



I'd like to congratulate the authors for raising a point, granted probably not 
the right forum, but then I don’t think any other forum would have had the 
desired result or outcome. They produced a policy that got us all debating, 
engaging, thinking about ways to tackle this problem. We now have this 
statement below. Six organisations working together, committed to working with 
stakeholders to try and prevent this from continuing.



Yes, as expected, the proposal didn't pass - and it shouldn’t have in that 
form, but we, as a community have made a stand. It’s a start!



Saul





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From: AFRINIC Communications [mailto:comms-annou...@afrinic.net]

Sent: 02 June 2017 01:52 PM

To: annou...@afrinic.net

Subject: [AFRINIC-Announce] Common Statement By AF* on Internet Shutdowns in 
Africa



Dear Colleagues,



2 June Nairobi - The Af* organizations, comprised of AFRINIC, AFTLD, AFNOG, 
AFREN, Africa CERT, and ISOC Africa, gathered at the 5th African Internet 
Summit, in Nairobi, Kenya, 21 May – 2 June 2017, issue the following statement:



We are CONCERNED by the increasing number of Internet shutdowns ordered by 
Governments in Africa. Internet shutdowns are intentional disruptions of 
Internet or electronic communications, rendering them inaccessible or 
effectively unusable, for a specific population or within a 

Re: [Community-Discuss] [AFRINIC-Announce] Common Statement By AF* on Internet Shutdowns in Africa

[Ornella GANKPA]

Hi Saul,

We ended up with this statement because this community is resilient and
survived to the abuse of the AFRINIC PDP by the authors of the
anti-shutdown policy proposal which unfortunately included a board
member who somehow failed to recognise that their fiduciary duties
extended to keeping the PDP on scope and protecting its credibility.

One would have expected that after the first statement (1), the board
would engage other AF* organisations and create the appropriate forum
for the community to discuss the Internet shutdown issues and lead this
community to concrete outcomes.

Regards,

Honest Ornella GANKPA

Le 05/06/2017 à 08:08, Saul Stein a écrit :
>
> Hi
>
>  
>
> There has been a lot of negativity (and a little positivity) about the
> shutdown proposal.
>
>  
>
> The authors at the time admitted that it probably wouldn’t pass in its
> current form but wanted to address with the community a way to deal
> with the injustices that were taking place on the continent (and
> around the world for that matter) of internet shut downs.
>
>  
>
> I'd like to congratulate the authors for raising a point, granted
> probably not the right forum, but then I don’t think any other forum
> would have had the desired result or outcome. They produced a policy
> that got us all debating, engaging, thinking about ways to tackle this
> problem. We now have this statement below. Six organisations working
> together, committed to working with stakeholders to try and prevent
> this from continuing.
>
>  
>
> Yes, as expected, the proposal didn't pass - and it shouldn’t have in
> that form, but we, as a community have made a stand. It’s a start!
>
>  
>
> Saul
>
>  
>
>  
>
> -Original Message-
>
> From: AFRINIC Communications [mailto:comms-annou...@afrinic.net]
>
> Sent: 02 June 2017 01:52 PM
>
> To: annou...@afrinic.net
>
> Subject: [AFRINIC-Announce] Common Statement By AF* on Internet
> Shutdowns in Africa
>
>  
>
> Dear Colleagues,
>
>  
>
> 2 June Nairobi - The Af* organizations, comprised of AFRINIC, AFTLD,
> AFNOG, AFREN, Africa CERT, and ISOC Africa, gathered at the 5th
> African Internet Summit, in Nairobi, Kenya, 21 May – 2 June 2017,
> issue the following statement:
>
>  
>
> We are CONCERNED by the increasing number of Internet shutdowns
> ordered by Governments in Africa. Internet shutdowns are intentional
> disruptions of Internet or electronic communications, rendering them
> inaccessible or effectively unusable, for a specific population or
> within a location for specified or unspecified periods of time.
> African territories accounted for many of the 56 Internet shutdowns
> recorded globally in 2016.
>
>  
>
> We are OPPOSED to any form of Internet shutdowns, including those that
> impact social media sites, entire networks, intentional disruption of
> Internet or mobile application services access, in any context such as
> elections, demonstrations or social tensions. Shutdowns offer poor
> solutions to complex problems and have shown to generate collateral
> damages on society and the economy. Intentional disruptions of access
> to information were unequivocally condemned[1] by the UN Human Rights
> Council in 2016.
>
>  
>
> We would like to DRAW ATTENTION TO the negative effects of Internet
> shutdowns Not only do they impact the rights of citizens (e.g.
> expression, association, access to knowledge and education) recognized
> both in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and African Charter
> on Human and Peoples' Rights, they also impact businesses and
> entrepreneurs. Various studies have highlighted the high costs of
> Internet shutdowns on country’s GDPs. In a context where economic
> growth relies increasingly on Internet access, as reaffirmed in the UN
> Sustainable Development Agenda, shutdowns can generate long-lasting
> and costly effects on society and on user trust.
>
>  
>
> We DO NOT THINK that the Anti-shutdown policy proposal put forward by
> some members of the AFRINIC community will offer a sustainable
> solution to this issue. While we share the same concerns as
> theproposals authors and welcome the community dialogue this has
> generated, we think this proposed policy will likely be ineffective
> and could create unintended damages
>
>  
>
> We are CONCERNED that such a proposal would be difficult to implement,
> and would take AFRINIC beyond its technical mandate and expertise, as
> highlighted by AFRINIC staff’s assessment of the proposal. We are also
> concerned that this proposal might antagonize governments in a way
> that will worsen the situation as a whole. Finally, the proposal might
> also impact citizen’s ability to access the Internet beyond the
> government entities targeted by the proposal.
>
>  
>
> Instead, we are CALLING on African governments to renounce the use of
> Internet shutdowns as a policy tool, and to engage in meaningful
> dialogue with stakeholders. We UNDERSTAND that governments have
> legitimate concerns related to Internet use