Re: [computer-go] Congratulations to valkyria, and to GNU Go!
The event was notable for unjustified resignations. Seems strange so many bots had resignation trouble. Looks like beta code. Probably in response to the "Please have your bot resign, for your own good" thread? For mogo, this is a bug in the parallel version of the pondering. We do all the tests without pondering because if gives a more accurate measure of speed-up (for parallelization), and we had not seen before the tournament that "pondering+parallelization=bug" in our code. Sorry for that. ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
Re: [computer-go] Difficult and strong move
I recommend "Mathematical Go: Chilling Gets the Last Point" by Elwyn Berlekamp and David Wolfe. The book contains a number of such positions, as well as an approach that allows to make as many more as you need. http://math.berkeley.edu/~berlek/cgt/gobook.html cheers stuart On 08/01/2008, Michael Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Can anyone point me to a move in a 19x19 game that is commonly seen as > the best move but hard to find? I know of the Ear Reddening move, but I > don't know whether or not that meets my criteria (I'm not a dan player, > or even close). Thanks. > ___ > computer-go mailing list > computer-go@computer-go.org > http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ > ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
[computer-go] Difficult and strong move
Can anyone point me to a move in a 19x19 game that is commonly seen as the best move but hard to find? I know of the Ear Reddening move, but I don't know whether or not that meets my criteria (I'm not a dan player, or even close). Thanks. ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
Re: [computer-go] Congratulations to valkyria, and to GNU Go!
Nick Wedd wrote: Congratulations to valkyria19, and to GNU, the undefeated winners of yesterday's tournament on KGS. The event was notable for unjustified resignations. MoGoBot1 resigned several games very early; and Fudo9 and scottbot both resigned in won positions. My report is at http://www.weddslist.com/kgs/past/34/index.html Nick Wow, that's ugly (not the report, the results)! ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
Re: [computer-go] Is CGOS sending TIME_LEFT?
The client does not sent time_left unless time_settings is also implemented.So your engine must also implement time_settings which is needed to inform your program of the level it will be playing at. - Don Jacques Basaldúa wrote: > Hi.. > > My gtp program does not receive any "time_left" commands. I have > checked that the command is listed without mistakes in list_commands. > I even tried CGOS 9x9 and I get the same sequence. > > Jacques. > > -- > This is a 19x19 game start (after the first list_commands) Ignore the > lines containing GoKnot, that is the communication between the gtp end > and the gui. > > 42.842 |- server -> "boardsize 19\cr\lf" > 43.152 # -> GoKnot8 [13 00 00 00 00 00 02 00] > 43.242 # GoKnot --> 4 [ff 00 00 00] > 43.242 |- gkGTP --> "= " > 43.242 |- gkGTP --> "\cr\lf\cr\lf" > > 43.312 |- server -> "clear_board\cr\lf" > 43.332 # -> GoKnot8 [13 00 00 00 00 00 02 00] > 43.443 # GoKnot --> 4 [ff 00 00 00] > 43.443 |- gkGTP --> "= " > 43.443 |- gkGTP --> "\cr\lf\cr\lf" > > 43.533 |- server -> "komi 7.5\cr\lf" > 43.563 # -> GoKnot8 [00 00 f0 40 00 00 03 00] > 43.623 # GoKnot --> 4 [ff 00 00 00] > 43.623 |- gkGTP --> "= " > 43.623 |- gkGTP --> "\cr\lf\cr\lf" > > 45.836 |- server -> "genmove b\cr\lf" > 45.896 # -> GoKnot8 [ff ff ff ff 00 00 0c 00] > 45.976 # GoKnot --> 4 [ff ff 00 00] > 45.976 # -> GoKnot8 [03 00 00 00 00 00 0e 00] > 46.036 # GoKnot --> 4 [ff ff 00 00] > 46.086 # -> GoKnot8 [03 00 00 00 00 00 0e 00] > 46.126 # GoKnot --> 7 [ff 00 03 00 72 31 36] > 46.126 |- gkGTP --> "= " > 46.126 |- gkGTP --> "r16\cr\lf\cr\lf" > > 46.968 |- server -> "play w D17\cr\lf" > 47.018 # -> GoKnot8 [00 00 03 10 00 00 06 00] > 47.038 # GoKnot --> 4 [ff 00 00 00] > 47.038 |- gkGTP --> "= " > 47.038 |- gkGTP --> "\cr\lf\cr\lf" > > 47.228 |- server -> "genmove b\cr\lf" > 47.338 # -> GoKnot8 [ff ff ff ff 00 00 0c 00] > 47.468 # GoKnot --> 4 [ff ff 00 00] > 47.468 # -> GoKnot8 [03 00 00 00 00 00 0e 00] > 47.538 # GoKnot --> 4 [ff ff 00 00] > 47.589 # -> GoKnot8 [03 00 00 00 00 00 0e 00] > 47.629 # GoKnot --> 6 [ff 00 02 00 64 34] > 47.629 |- gkGTP --> "= " > 47.629 |- gkGTP --> "d4\cr\lf\cr\lf" > > 48.620 |- server -> "play w Q3\cr\lf" > 48.660 # -> GoKnot8 [00 00 0f 02 00 00 06 00] > 48.740 # GoKnot --> 4 [ff 00 00 00] > 48.740 |- gkGTP --> "= " > 48.740 |- gkGTP --> "\cr\lf\cr\lf" > > -- > This is a 9x9 game start (after the first list_commands) > > 14.331 |- server -> "boardsize 9\cr\lf" > 14.371 # -> GoKnot8 [09 00 00 00 00 00 02 00] > 14.471 # GoKnot --> 4 [ff 00 00 00] > 14.471 |- gkGTP --> "= " > 14.471 |- gkGTP --> "\cr\lf\cr\lf" > > 14.551 |- server -> "clear_board\cr\lf" > 14.581 # -> GoKnot8 [09 00 00 00 00 00 02 00] > 14.671 # GoKnot --> 4 [ff 00 00 00] > 14.671 |- gkGTP --> "= " > 14.671 |- gkGTP --> "\cr\lf\cr\lf" > > 14.751 |- server -> "komi 7.5\cr\lf" > 14.771 # -> GoKnot8 [00 00 f0 40 00 00 03 00] > 14.852 # GoKnot --> 4 [ff 00 00 00] > 14.852 |- gkGTP --> "= " > 14.852 |- gkGTP --> "\cr\lf\cr\lf" > > 20.640 |- server -> "genmove b\cr\lf" > 20.680 # -> GoKnot8 [ff ff ff ff 00 00 0c 00] > 20.780 # GoKnot --> 4 [ff ff 00 00] > 20.780 # -> GoKnot8 [03 00 00 00 00 00 0e 00] > 20.870 # GoKnot --> 4 [ff ff 00 00] > 20.920 # -> GoKnot8 [03 00 00 00 00 00 0e 00] > 20.960 # GoKnot --> 6 [ff 00 02 00 66 36] > 20.960 |- gkGTP --> "= " > 20.960 |- gkGTP --> "f6\cr\lf\cr\lf" > > 22.843 |- server -> "play w C6\cr\lf" > 22.883 # -> GoKnot8 [00 00 02 05 00 00 06 00] > 22.973 # GoKnot --> 4 [ff 00 00 00] > 22.973 |- gkGTP --> "= " > 22.973 |- gkGTP --> "\cr\lf\cr\lf" > > 23.194 |- server -> "genmove b\cr\lf" > 23.234 # -> GoKnot8 [ff ff ff ff 00 00 0c 00] > 23.264 # GoKnot --> 4 [ff ff 00 00] > 23.264 # -> GoKnot8 [03 00 00 00 00 00 0e 00] > 23.384 # GoKnot --> 4 [ff ff 00 00] > 23.524 # -> GoKnot8 [03 00 00 00 00 00 0e 00] > 24.165 # GoKnot --> 4 [ff ff 00 00] > 24.215 # -> GoKnot8 [03 00 00 00 00 00 0e 00] > 24.275 # GoKnot --> 4 [ff ff 00 00] > 24.325 # -> GoKnot8 [03 00 00 00 00 00 0e 00] > 24.365 # GoKnot --> 6 [ff 00 02 00 66 34] > 24.365 |- gkGTP --> "= " > 24.365 |- gkGTP --> "f4\cr\lf\cr\lf" > > 36.563 |- server -> "play w E5\cr\lf" > 36.583 # -> GoKnot8 [00 00 04 04 00 00 06 00] > 36.693 # GoKnot --> 4 [ff 00 00 00] > 36.693 |- gkGTP --> "= " > 36.693 |- gkGTP --> "\cr\lf\cr\lf" > > ___ > computer-go mailing list > computer-go@computer-go.org > http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ > ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
[computer-go] Is CGOS sending TIME_LEFT?
Hi.. My gtp program does not receive any "time_left" commands. I have checked that the command is listed without mistakes in list_commands. I even tried CGOS 9x9 and I get the same sequence. Jacques. -- This is a 19x19 game start (after the first list_commands) Ignore the lines containing GoKnot, that is the communication between the gtp end and the gui. 42.842 |- server -> "boardsize 19\cr\lf" 43.152 # -> GoKnot8 [13 00 00 00 00 00 02 00] 43.242 # GoKnot --> 4 [ff 00 00 00] 43.242 |- gkGTP --> "= " 43.242 |- gkGTP --> "\cr\lf\cr\lf" 43.312 |- server -> "clear_board\cr\lf" 43.332 # -> GoKnot8 [13 00 00 00 00 00 02 00] 43.443 # GoKnot --> 4 [ff 00 00 00] 43.443 |- gkGTP --> "= " 43.443 |- gkGTP --> "\cr\lf\cr\lf" 43.533 |- server -> "komi 7.5\cr\lf" 43.563 # -> GoKnot8 [00 00 f0 40 00 00 03 00] 43.623 # GoKnot --> 4 [ff 00 00 00] 43.623 |- gkGTP --> "= " 43.623 |- gkGTP --> "\cr\lf\cr\lf" 45.836 |- server -> "genmove b\cr\lf" 45.896 # -> GoKnot8 [ff ff ff ff 00 00 0c 00] 45.976 # GoKnot --> 4 [ff ff 00 00] 45.976 # -> GoKnot8 [03 00 00 00 00 00 0e 00] 46.036 # GoKnot --> 4 [ff ff 00 00] 46.086 # -> GoKnot8 [03 00 00 00 00 00 0e 00] 46.126 # GoKnot --> 7 [ff 00 03 00 72 31 36] 46.126 |- gkGTP --> "= " 46.126 |- gkGTP --> "r16\cr\lf\cr\lf" 46.968 |- server -> "play w D17\cr\lf" 47.018 # -> GoKnot8 [00 00 03 10 00 00 06 00] 47.038 # GoKnot --> 4 [ff 00 00 00] 47.038 |- gkGTP --> "= " 47.038 |- gkGTP --> "\cr\lf\cr\lf" 47.228 |- server -> "genmove b\cr\lf" 47.338 # -> GoKnot8 [ff ff ff ff 00 00 0c 00] 47.468 # GoKnot --> 4 [ff ff 00 00] 47.468 # -> GoKnot8 [03 00 00 00 00 00 0e 00] 47.538 # GoKnot --> 4 [ff ff 00 00] 47.589 # -> GoKnot8 [03 00 00 00 00 00 0e 00] 47.629 # GoKnot --> 6 [ff 00 02 00 64 34] 47.629 |- gkGTP --> "= " 47.629 |- gkGTP --> "d4\cr\lf\cr\lf" 48.620 |- server -> "play w Q3\cr\lf" 48.660 # -> GoKnot8 [00 00 0f 02 00 00 06 00] 48.740 # GoKnot --> 4 [ff 00 00 00] 48.740 |- gkGTP --> "= " 48.740 |- gkGTP --> "\cr\lf\cr\lf" -- This is a 9x9 game start (after the first list_commands) 14.331 |- server -> "boardsize 9\cr\lf" 14.371 # -> GoKnot8 [09 00 00 00 00 00 02 00] 14.471 # GoKnot --> 4 [ff 00 00 00] 14.471 |- gkGTP --> "= " 14.471 |- gkGTP --> "\cr\lf\cr\lf" 14.551 |- server -> "clear_board\cr\lf" 14.581 # -> GoKnot8 [09 00 00 00 00 00 02 00] 14.671 # GoKnot --> 4 [ff 00 00 00] 14.671 |- gkGTP --> "= " 14.671 |- gkGTP --> "\cr\lf\cr\lf" 14.751 |- server -> "komi 7.5\cr\lf" 14.771 # -> GoKnot8 [00 00 f0 40 00 00 03 00] 14.852 # GoKnot --> 4 [ff 00 00 00] 14.852 |- gkGTP --> "= " 14.852 |- gkGTP --> "\cr\lf\cr\lf" 20.640 |- server -> "genmove b\cr\lf" 20.680 # -> GoKnot8 [ff ff ff ff 00 00 0c 00] 20.780 # GoKnot --> 4 [ff ff 00 00] 20.780 # -> GoKnot8 [03 00 00 00 00 00 0e 00] 20.870 # GoKnot --> 4 [ff ff 00 00] 20.920 # -> GoKnot8 [03 00 00 00 00 00 0e 00] 20.960 # GoKnot --> 6 [ff 00 02 00 66 36] 20.960 |- gkGTP --> "= " 20.960 |- gkGTP --> "f6\cr\lf\cr\lf" 22.843 |- server -> "play w C6\cr\lf" 22.883 # -> GoKnot8 [00 00 02 05 00 00 06 00] 22.973 # GoKnot --> 4 [ff 00 00 00] 22.973 |- gkGTP --> "= " 22.973 |- gkGTP --> "\cr\lf\cr\lf" 23.194 |- server -> "genmove b\cr\lf" 23.234 # -> GoKnot8 [ff ff ff ff 00 00 0c 00] 23.264 # GoKnot --> 4 [ff ff 00 00] 23.264 # -> GoKnot8 [03 00 00 00 00 00 0e 00] 23.384 # GoKnot --> 4 [ff ff 00 00] 23.524 # -> GoKnot8 [03 00 00 00 00 00 0e 00] 24.165 # GoKnot --> 4 [ff ff 00 00] 24.215 # -> GoKnot8 [03 00 00 00 00 00 0e 00] 24.275 # GoKnot --> 4 [ff ff 00 00] 24.325 # -> GoKnot8 [03 00 00 00 00 00 0e 00] 24.365 # GoKnot --> 6 [ff 00 02 00 66 34] 24.365 |- gkGTP --> "= " 24.365 |- gkGTP --> "f4\cr\lf\cr\lf" 36.563 |- server -> "play w E5\cr\lf" 36.583 # -> GoKnot8 [00 00 04 04 00 00 06 00] 36.693 # GoKnot --> 4 [ff 00 00 00] 36.693 |- gkGTP --> "= " 36.693 |- gkGTP --> "\cr\lf\cr\lf" ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
Re: [computer-go] Congratulations to valkyria, and to GNU Go!
On Mon, 2008-01-07 at 14:55 +, Nick Wedd wrote: > The event was notable for unjustified resignations. Seems strange so many bots had resignation trouble. Looks like beta code. Probably in response to the "Please have your bot resign, for your own good" thread? -Jeff ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
Re: [computer-go] Congratulations to valkyria, and to GNU Go!
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jason House <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes Thanks for the write up. To add to the list of misbehaving bots, in round 4, HBotSVN passed 41 times out of 81 white moves. Probably not surprising, but the 81st white move (move 162) was "resign" Ok, it made some bad moves; but it's going to have to do something more remarkable than that to get into my write-up :) Additionally, one nit pick: The text with the diagrams lists bot a vs. bot b and then discuss black and white. Is it possible to make which bot is which color clearer? I have followed the usual convention, that the white player is named first. I shall add a note saying so. Nick On Jan 7, 2008 9:55 AM, Nick Wedd < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Congratulations to valkyria19, and to GNU, the undefeated winners of yesterday's tournament on KGS. The event was notable for unjustified resignations. MoGoBot1 resigned several games very early; and Fudo9 and scottbot both resigned in won positions. My report is at http://www.weddslist.com/kgs/past/34/index.html Nick -- Nick Wedd [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ -- Nick Wedd[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
Re: [computer-go] Congratulations to valkyria, and to GNU Go!
Thanks for the write up. To add to the list of misbehaving bots, in round 4, HBotSVN passed 41 times out of 81 white moves. Probably not surprising, but the 81st white move (move 162) was "resign" Additionally, one nit pick: The text with the diagrams lists bot a vs. bot b and then discuss black and white. Is it possible to make which bot is which color clearer? On Jan 7, 2008 9:55 AM, Nick Wedd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Congratulations to valkyria19, and to GNU, the undefeated winners of > yesterday's tournament on KGS. > > The event was notable for unjustified resignations. MoGoBot1 resigned > several games very early; and Fudo9 and scottbot both resigned in won > positions. My report is at > http://www.weddslist.com/kgs/past/34/index.html > > Nick > -- > Nick Wedd[EMAIL PROTECTED] > ___ > computer-go mailing list > computer-go@computer-go.org > http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ > ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
[computer-go] Congratulations to valkyria, and to GNU Go!
Congratulations to valkyria19, and to GNU, the undefeated winners of yesterday's tournament on KGS. The event was notable for unjustified resignations. MoGoBot1 resigned several games very early; and Fudo9 and scottbot both resigned in won positions. My report is at http://www.weddslist.com/kgs/past/34/index.html Nick -- Nick Wedd[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
Re: [computer-go] Odd results on 19x19
On Jan 6, 2008 11:37 PM, Don Dailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm not sure I get the whole picture regarding multi-dimensional > > ratings. How can you compare two players with a 2-dimensional rating? > > You can't, so how would one use this rating? In my book, a rating's > > goal is to make things comparable... > A 2-dimensional or more rating would be used to predict the winner. > You would be able to say that a given player will beat another specified > player some percentage of the time. With more than one dimension > perhaps the formula would be a better predictor since it could take > playing styles into consideration. > > It could not be used to rank players in the sense of putting them on a > scale such as CGOS uses. Since there is an inherently intransitive > relationship, you cannot rank players in strict order with more than 1 > dimension. Thanks all who answered! I see the point, the confusion in my mind was caused by the use of the word "ranking" which for me does imply an ordering. best regards, Vlad ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
