Re: [Computer-go] Hex is solved ?
I allowed my self to remove the link from the wikipedia page as non pair reviewed 2015-07-29 15:53 GMT+02:00 Ingo Althöfer 3-hirn-ver...@gmx.de: Hi Rèmi, gorget it - no serious work. Ingo. Gesendet: Dienstag, 28. Juli 2015 um 15:38 Uhr Von: Rémi Coulom remi.cou...@free.fr An: computer-go@computer-go.org Betreff: [Computer-go] Hex is solved ? Hi, I have just been told by a colleague that Edouard Rodrigues solved hex mathematically. I was very surprised because I had never heard about it. The web site with the proof and optimal strategy is there: http://jeudhex.com/?page_id=17 I did not look at it in details, but it seems his method can find an optimal move on any position and any board size. Did the computer-hex people of this list knew about it? I know there was an Hex tournament in Leiden, so I suppose the computer Hex community might not be aware of this result. Or maybe the mathematical result is wrong? Please circulate this information to the Hex specialists. I am curious about their opinion. I'll take time tomorrow to study that web site a little. Rémi ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] Hex is solved ?
Thanks. Generally is good if it's in a reputable journal or conference. Not everyone can do that, but if it's a new and interesting result of interest to more than 100 people, probably you can. There are peer-reviewed electronic journals, for instance. It's also unclear what the formal statement of the claim is. Having an efficient solution from an arbitrary board position for an arbitrary boardsize isn't credible, as John pointed out. (And a version of that result, which was published in acta informatica, isn't mentioned or referenced on the hex page mentioned as far as I can find - it would be a much bigger result than an *inefficient* algorithm, which is fairly easy.). s. I allowed my self to remove the link from the wikipedia page as non pair reviewed 2015-07-29 15:53 GMT+02:00 Ingo Althöfer 3-hirn-ver...@gmx.de: Hi Rèmi, gorget it - no serious work. Ingo. Gesendet: Dienstag, 28. Juli 2015 um 15:38 Uhr Von: Rémi Coulom remi.cou...@free.fr An: computer-go@computer-go.org Betreff: [Computer-go] Hex is solved ? Hi, I have just been told by a colleague that Edouard Rodrigues solved hex mathematically. I was very surprised because I had never heard about it. The web site with the proof and optimal strategy is there: http://jeudhex.com/?page_id=17 I did not look at it in details, but it seems his method can find an optimal move on any position and any board size. Did the computer-hex people of this list knew about it? I know there was an Hex tournament in Leiden, so I suppose the computer Hex community might not be aware of this result. Or maybe the mathematical result is wrong? Please circulate this information to the Hex specialists. I am curious about their opinion. I'll take time tomorrow to study that web site a little. Rémi ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] EGC2015 Events
Indeed. We (well, mainly I) thought that since Aya is running on a weaker computer, 5 stones might be about right, but now I'm a bit worried that I made the game too tough for white after all. Still, there's a big audience (surprised us a bit), maybe 150 people, and they seem to be enjoying it! On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 09:14:14PM +0200, Rémi Coulom wrote: Great! Thanks. 5 stones against Aya is brave. On 07/29/2015 08:21 PM, Petr Baudis wrote: Hi! There are several Computer Go events on EGC2015. There was a small tournament of programs, played out on identical hardware by each, won by Aya: https://www.gokgs.com/tournEntrants.jsp?sort=sid=981 Then, one of the games, Aya vs. Many Faces, was reviewed by Lukas Podpera 6d: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3Lk1qVoiYM Right now, Hajin Lee 3p (known for her live commentaries on Youtube as Haylee) is playing Aya (giving 5 stones) and commenting live: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ka2ilmu7Eo4 ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go -- Petr Baudis If you have good ideas, good data and fast computers, you can do almost anything. -- Geoffrey Hinton ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
[Computer-go] EGC2015 Events
Hi! There are several Computer Go events on EGC2015. There was a small tournament of programs, played out on identical hardware by each, won by Aya: https://www.gokgs.com/tournEntrants.jsp?sort=sid=981 Then, one of the games, Aya vs. Many Faces, was reviewed by Lukas Podpera 6d: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3Lk1qVoiYM Right now, Hajin Lee 3p (known for her live commentaries on Youtube as Haylee) is playing Aya (giving 5 stones) and commenting live: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ka2ilmu7Eo4 -- Petr Baudis If you have good ideas, good data and fast computers, you can do almost anything. -- Geoffrey Hinton ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] EGC2015 Events
Lee Hajin is also quite a bit weaker than Yoda Norimoto or Cho Chikun. BTW, this gives me the opportunity to advertise my new web site that rates go professionals with the WHR rating algorithm and go4go.net data: http://www.goratings.org/ Rank/Name/Elo 108 Yoda Norimoto 2274 183 Cho Chikun 2188 448 Lee Hajin 1957 Rémi On 07/29/2015 09:22 PM, Petr Baudis wrote: Indeed. We (well, mainly I) thought that since Aya is running on a weaker computer, 5 stones might be about right, but now I'm a bit worried that I made the game too tough for white after all. Still, there's a big audience (surprised us a bit), maybe 150 people, and they seem to be enjoying it! On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 09:14:14PM +0200, Rémi Coulom wrote: Great! Thanks. 5 stones against Aya is brave. On 07/29/2015 08:21 PM, Petr Baudis wrote: Hi! There are several Computer Go events on EGC2015. There was a small tournament of programs, played out on identical hardware by each, won by Aya: https://www.gokgs.com/tournEntrants.jsp?sort=sid=981 Then, one of the games, Aya vs. Many Faces, was reviewed by Lukas Podpera 6d: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3Lk1qVoiYM Right now, Hajin Lee 3p (known for her live commentaries on Youtube as Haylee) is playing Aya (giving 5 stones) and commenting live: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ka2ilmu7Eo4 ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] EGC2015 Events
Petr, Thanks. Is Haylee's game on kgs, or only youtube? Thanks in advance, steve On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 11:21 AM, Petr Baudis pa...@ucw.cz wrote: Hi! There are several Computer Go events on EGC2015. There was a small tournament of programs, played out on identical hardware by each, won by Aya: https://www.gokgs.com/tournEntrants.jsp?sort=sid=981 Then, one of the games, Aya vs. Many Faces, was reviewed by Lukas Podpera 6d: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3Lk1qVoiYM Right now, Hajin Lee 3p (known for her live commentaries on Youtube as Haylee) is playing Aya (giving 5 stones) and commenting live: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ka2ilmu7Eo4 -- Petr Baudis If you have good ideas, good data and fast computers, you can do almost anything. -- Geoffrey Hinton ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] EGC2015 Events
Great! Thanks. 5 stones against Aya is brave. On 07/29/2015 08:21 PM, Petr Baudis wrote: Hi! There are several Computer Go events on EGC2015. There was a small tournament of programs, played out on identical hardware by each, won by Aya: https://www.gokgs.com/tournEntrants.jsp?sort=sid=981 Then, one of the games, Aya vs. Many Faces, was reviewed by Lukas Podpera 6d: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3Lk1qVoiYM Right now, Hajin Lee 3p (known for her live commentaries on Youtube as Haylee) is playing Aya (giving 5 stones) and commenting live: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ka2ilmu7Eo4 ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] EGC2015 Events
Congratulations to Aya. The commentary on the ManyFaces vs Aya game is very interesting. David -Original Message- From: Computer-go [mailto:computer-go-boun...@computer-go.org] On Behalf Of Petr Baudis Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 2:21 PM To: computer-go@computer-go.org Subject: [Computer-go] EGC2015 Events Hi! There are several Computer Go events on EGC2015. There was a small tournament of programs, played out on identical hardware by each, won by Aya: https://www.gokgs.com/tournEntrants.jsp?sort=sid=981 Then, one of the games, Aya vs. Many Faces, was reviewed by Lukas Podpera 6d: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3Lk1qVoiYM Right now, Hajin Lee 3p (known for her live commentaries on Youtube as Haylee) is playing Aya (giving 5 stones) and commenting live: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ka2ilmu7Eo4 -- Petr Baudis If you have good ideas, good data and fast computers, you can do almost anything. -- Geoffrey Hinton ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] Hex is solved ?
Hi Rèmi, gorget it - no serious work. Ingo. Gesendet: Dienstag, 28. Juli 2015 um 15:38 Uhr Von: Rémi Coulom remi.cou...@free.fr An: computer-go@computer-go.org Betreff: [Computer-go] Hex is solved ? Hi, I have just been told by a colleague that Edouard Rodrigues solved hex mathematically. I was very surprised because I had never heard about it. The web site with the proof and optimal strategy is there: http://jeudhex.com/?page_id=17 I did not look at it in details, but it seems his method can find an optimal move on any position and any board size. Did the computer-hex people of this list knew about it? I know there was an Hex tournament in Leiden, so I suppose the computer Hex community might not be aware of this result. Or maybe the mathematical result is wrong? Please circulate this information to the Hex specialists. I am curious about their opinion. I'll take time tomorrow to study that web site a little. Rémi ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
