Re: [computer-go] Go and IQ training
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mike Olsson wrote: Can Go be used to increase a person's aptitude. Their aptitude for playing Go ? Certainly. Their aptitude for doing anything else - now that's a much more difficult question. And much more interesting. My suspicion would be that if you tested carefully in a population of novice players and then in the same people later, after they'd reached significant playing strength, then you'd find statistically significant changes in some cognitive abilities. What those changes are might well be a valid consideration for designing computer Go systems, making the discussion relevant here. I'm not a psychologist to give formal names to those cognitive abilities, but they'd involve the ability to carry and work with multiple simultaneous hypotheses, to maintain parallel streams of rather similar data (game sequences for evaluation) ... but in addition to such precision abilities are also broader creative or synthetic abilities, where a player can conceive of the general thrust of a solution (how do I invade that side?), but the details get worked out later as the situation clarifies. Certainly these aptitudes are of wider applicability than to games. But interviewers have known that for a long time, which is why they ask applicants to talk about their interests outside the job (or studentship) that they're applying for. -- Aidan Karley, Aberdeen, Scotland Written at Sat, 27 Jan 2007 11:10 GMT, but posted later. ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
Re: [computer-go] Go and IQ training
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mike Olsson wrote: This is a bit off topic, but I am wondering if a person can play Go to increase their IQ or improve their intelligence. If one is going to discuss the extremely slippy concept of intelligence (or it's far, far slippier distant relative Intelligence Quotient), then it's practically required to have read Stephen Jay Gould's Mismeasure of Man (various editions from about 1980 to at least 1996, including ISBN-10: 0393314251 / ISBN-13: 978-0393314250). While it may not blow out of the water the whole subject of intelligence testing, it does make one very well aware that the whole subject is a minefield of assumptions and prejudices (both conscious and unconscious. I read what was probably the original edition back in the mid-80s, and loaned my copy to a university friend who was studying psychology ; 15 year later she declined to return it because she was still regularly using it to deflate novice opinionated staff working under her with the learning impaired. That would have been about the time of the infamously neo-racist tract The Bell Curve. From what I have read Kasparov's IQ is around 135 so playing Chess doesn't really increase a person's IQ. About 2.3 standard deviations above the norm. That would imply he's in the top 1½% or thereabouts of the population in performance on IQ tests. Sounds like there's be 3 Kasparov-equivalents per couple of full Clapham Omnibuses. [Note 1] Or several per average chess club. Or maybe IQ test results are not a terribly good predictor of chess strength. I wouldn't really expect it to be much better a predictor of Go strength either. For what it's worth, the Aberdeen University Go Club was set up in the early 1980s by ... a carpenter. Always a good memory for deflating one's potential to self-aggrandisment. [Note 1] Standard British English idiom refers many questions to the opinion of the man on the Clapham Omnibus, which seats about 75 people and stands another couple of dozen. -- Aidan Karley, Aberdeen, Scotland Written at Mon, 15 Jan 2007 09:40 GMT, but posted later. ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
Re: [computer-go] Can Go be solved???... PLEASE help!
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], wrote: Sorry, but how do you what future quantum computers can churn so much data? Chris Fant isn't a modern-day human but an android sent back through a wormhole from future times (Future ^2, Left **7, Right **.13, to the root of SQRT(-1) in hex coords). But he'll self-destruct before admitting such, so lines of questioning like this will yield, at best, an uninteresting silence. Ooops, I've said too much. Boom -- Aidan Karley, Aberdeen, Scotland Written at Fri, 12 Jan 2007 21:40 GMT, but posted later. ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
