Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo won the second game!

[Olivier Teytaud]

The most surprising fact, to me, is that it's possible to apply "reinforce"
on such a large scale. Reinforce is not new, but even with millions of cores
I did not expect this to be possible. I would have assumed that reinforce
would
just produce random noise when applied at such a scale :-)


On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 9:29 PM, Petr Baudis  wrote:

> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 07:20:11PM +, Josef Moudrik wrote:
> > Yes, but they are not some random cherry picking third party; have a look
> > on the top authors of the paper - David Silver, Aja Huang, Chris
> Maddison..
>
> Also, they aren't merely wrapping engineering around existing science
> and putting existing things together, but invented several new methods
> too.  So, of course they are standing on the shoulders of giants, and
> the massive computational resources of Google had been a lot of help,
> but I'd say there is a fair amount of originality in the AlphaGo
> research, scientifically.
>
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Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo won the second game!

[Josef Moudrik]

Yes, but they are not some random cherry picking third party; have a look
on the top authors of the paper - David Silver, Aja Huang, Chris Maddison..

Regards,
Josef

Dne čt 10. 3. 2016 19:47 uživatel Lukas van de Wiel <
lukas.drinkt.t...@gmail.com> napsal:

> The same here, with other people having built the foundations of go AIs,
> and going from neural networks to MCTS, and now back-ish again...
> But that is how is how science works. Eventually these two wins are the
> reward of decades of culminated work by many people working on go AI.
> AlphaGo is the Cherry on the enormous cake.
>
> On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 7:43 AM, Marco Scheurer  wrote:
>
>> Congratulations indeed.
>>
>> Although I must admit I have mixed feelings about this, that it is
>> Google, using enormous resources, that got there first.
>>
>> marco
>>
>> On 10 Mar 2016, at 19:38, Lukas van de Wiel 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Congratz to AlphaGo, once more!
>> This is getting scary! :-)
>>
>> Lukas
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 12:40 AM, "Ingo Althöfer" <3-hirn-ver...@gmx.de>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>>
>>> Von: "Erik van der Werf" 
>>> > Very impressive results so far!
>>>
>>> indeed, almost unbelievable.
>>>
>>>
>>> > If it's going to be a clean sweep, I hope we will get to see some
>>> handicap games :-)
>>>
>>>
>>> I have another proposal, IF a clean sweep will happen:
>>> There was an announcement three days ago by a Chinese group that
>>> they are developing a strong go bot and want to challenge
>>> No. 1 player Ke Jie (still in 2016).
>>> The winner of that match might challenge AlphaGo.
>>>
>>> Ingo.
>>>
>>>
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Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo won the second game!

[Lukas van de Wiel]

The same here, with other people having built the foundations of go AIs,
and going from neural networks to MCTS, and now back-ish again...
But that is how is how science works. Eventually these two wins are the
reward of decades of culminated work by many people working on go AI.
AlphaGo is the Cherry on the enormous cake.

On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 7:43 AM, Marco Scheurer  wrote:

> Congratulations indeed.
>
> Although I must admit I have mixed feelings about this, that it is Google,
> using enormous resources, that got there first.
>
> marco
>
> On 10 Mar 2016, at 19:38, Lukas van de Wiel 
> wrote:
>
> Congratz to AlphaGo, once more!
> This is getting scary! :-)
>
> Lukas
>
> On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 12:40 AM, "Ingo Althöfer" <3-hirn-ver...@gmx.de>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>>
>> Von: "Erik van der Werf" 
>> > Very impressive results so far!
>>
>> indeed, almost unbelievable.
>>
>>
>> > If it's going to be a clean sweep, I hope we will get to see some
>> handicap games :-)
>>
>>
>> I have another proposal, IF a clean sweep will happen:
>> There was an announcement three days ago by a Chinese group that
>> they are developing a strong go bot and want to challenge
>> No. 1 player Ke Jie (still in 2016).
>> The winner of that match might challenge AlphaGo.
>>
>> Ingo.
>>
>>
>> http://senseis.xmp.net/?KeJie
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Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo won the second game!

[Marco Scheurer]

Congratulations indeed. 

Although I must admit I have mixed feelings about this, that it is Google, 
using enormous resources, that got there first. 

marco

> On 10 Mar 2016, at 19:38, Lukas van de Wiel  
> wrote:
> 
> Congratz to AlphaGo, once more!
> This is getting scary! :-)
> 
> Lukas
> 
>> On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 12:40 AM, "Ingo Althöfer" <3-hirn-ver...@gmx.de> 
>> wrote:
>> Hello,
>>  
>> 
>> Von: "Erik van der Werf" 
>> > Very impressive results so far!
>>  
>> indeed, almost unbelievable.
>> 
>> 
>> > If it's going to be a clean sweep, I hope we will get to see some handicap 
>> > games :-)
>> 
>> 
>> I have another proposal, IF a clean sweep will happen:
>> There was an announcement three days ago by a Chinese group that
>> they are developing a strong go bot and want to challenge
>> No. 1 player Ke Jie (still in 2016).
>> The winner of that match might challenge AlphaGo.
>> 
>> Ingo.
>> 
>> 
>> http://senseis.xmp.net/?KeJie
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Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo won the second game!

[Lukas van de Wiel]

Congratz to AlphaGo, once more!
This is getting scary! :-)

Lukas

On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 12:40 AM, "Ingo Althöfer" <3-hirn-ver...@gmx.de>
wrote:

> Hello,
>
>
> Von: "Erik van der Werf" 
> > Very impressive results so far!
>
> indeed, almost unbelievable.
>
>
> > If it's going to be a clean sweep, I hope we will get to see some
> handicap games :-)
>
>
> I have another proposal, IF a clean sweep will happen:
> There was an announcement three days ago by a Chinese group that
> they are developing a strong go bot and want to challenge
> No. 1 player Ke Jie (still in 2016).
> The winner of that match might challenge AlphaGo.
>
> Ingo.
>
>
> http://senseis.xmp.net/?KeJie
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Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo won the second game!

[Ingo Althöfer]

Hello, 
 

Von: "Erik van der Werf" 
> Very impressive results so far!
 
indeed, almost unbelievable.


> If it's going to be a clean sweep, I hope we will get to see some handicap 
> games :-)


I have another proposal, IF a clean sweep will happen:
There was an announcement three days ago by a Chinese group that
they are developing a strong go bot and want to challenge
No. 1 player Ke Jie (still in 2016). 
The winner of that match might challenge AlphaGo.

Ingo.


http://senseis.xmp.net/?KeJie

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Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo won the second game!

[Erik van der Werf]

Very impressive results so far!

If it's going to be a clean sweep, I hope we will get to see some handicap
games :-)

Erik


On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 12:04 PM, Petr Baudis  wrote:

> In the press conference (https://youtu.be/l-GsfyVCBu0?t=5h40m00s), Lee
> Sedol said that while he saw some questionable moves by AlphaGo in the
> first game, he feels that the second game was a near-perfect play by
> AlphaGo and he did not feel ahead at any point of the game.
>
> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 12:44:23PM +0200, Petri Pitkanen wrote:
> > This time I think game was tougher. Though too weak to judge. At the end
> > sacrifice a fistfull stones does puzzle me, but again way too weak to
> > analyze it.
> >
> > It seem Lee Sedol is lucky if he wins a game
> >
> > 2016-03-10 12:39 GMT+02:00 Petr Baudis :
> >
> > > On Wed, Mar 09, 2016 at 09:05:48PM -0800, David Fotland wrote:
> > > > I predicted Sedol would be shocked.  I'm still routing for Sedol.
> From
> > > Scientific American interview...
> > > >
> > > > Schaeffer and Fotland still predict Sedol will win the match. “I
> think
> > > the pro will win,” Fotland says, “But I think the pro will be shocked
> at
> > > how strong the program is.”
> > >
> > > In that case it's time for Lee Sedol to start working hard on turning
> > > this match around, because AlphaGo won the second game too! :)
> > >
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Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo won the second game!

[Petr Baudis]

In the press conference (https://youtu.be/l-GsfyVCBu0?t=5h40m00s), Lee
Sedol said that while he saw some questionable moves by AlphaGo in the
first game, he feels that the second game was a near-perfect play by
AlphaGo and he did not feel ahead at any point of the game.

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 12:44:23PM +0200, Petri Pitkanen wrote:
> This time I think game was tougher. Though too weak to judge. At the end
> sacrifice a fistfull stones does puzzle me, but again way too weak to
> analyze it.
> 
> It seem Lee Sedol is lucky if he wins a game
> 
> 2016-03-10 12:39 GMT+02:00 Petr Baudis :
> 
> > On Wed, Mar 09, 2016 at 09:05:48PM -0800, David Fotland wrote:
> > > I predicted Sedol would be shocked.  I'm still routing for Sedol.  From
> > Scientific American interview...
> > >
> > > Schaeffer and Fotland still predict Sedol will win the match. “I think
> > the pro will win,” Fotland says, “But I think the pro will be shocked at
> > how strong the program is.”
> >
> > In that case it's time for Lee Sedol to start working hard on turning
> > this match around, because AlphaGo won the second game too! :)
> >
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Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo won the second game!

[Petri Pitkanen]

This time I think game was tougher. Though too weak to judge. At the end
sacrifice a fistfull stones does puzzle me, but again way too weak to
analyze it.

It seem Lee Sedol is lucky if he wins a game

2016-03-10 12:39 GMT+02:00 Petr Baudis :

> On Wed, Mar 09, 2016 at 09:05:48PM -0800, David Fotland wrote:
> > I predicted Sedol would be shocked.  I'm still routing for Sedol.  From
> Scientific American interview...
> >
> > Schaeffer and Fotland still predict Sedol will win the match. “I think
> the pro will win,” Fotland says, “But I think the pro will be shocked at
> how strong the program is.”
>
> In that case it's time for Lee Sedol to start working hard on turning
> this match around, because AlphaGo won the second game too! :)
>
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[Computer-go] AlphaGo won the second game!

[Petr Baudis]

On Wed, Mar 09, 2016 at 09:05:48PM -0800, David Fotland wrote:
> I predicted Sedol would be shocked.  I'm still routing for Sedol.  From 
> Scientific American interview...
> 
> Schaeffer and Fotland still predict Sedol will win the match. “I think the 
> pro will win,” Fotland says, “But I think the pro will be shocked at how 
> strong the program is.”

In that case it's time for Lee Sedol to start working hard on turning
this match around, because AlphaGo won the second game too! :)

Petr Baudis
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