Re: [Computer-go] agz -- meditations

2017-10-19 Thread Petri Pitkanen 
Cost reduction in IC has reached or is reaching its limits. Intels 5n techk
is not really a 5n and 5n is not really reachable. Not at least without
some seriously new physics and even then there will be hard limits like
quantum un--certainty. This particular chip may get cheaper if it is ever
done in amounts but it is not guaranteed to get lot cheapaer

2017-10-20 6:24 GMT+03:00 Robert Jasiek :

> On 19.10.2017 20:13, Richard Lorentz wrote:
>
>> Silver said "algorithms matter much more than ... computing".
>> Hassabis estimated they used US$25 million of hardware.
>>
>
> Today, it seems 4 TPU cost US$25 million. In 5 or 10 years, every computer
> might have its 4-TPU-chip costing $250, if not $25. At least, I hope.
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Re: [Computer-go] agz -- meditations

2017-10-19 Thread Robert Jasiek 

On 19.10.2017 20:13, Richard Lorentz wrote:

Silver said "algorithms matter much more than ... computing".
Hassabis estimated they used US$25 million of hardware.


Today, it seems 4 TPU cost US$25 million. In 5 or 10 years, every 
computer might have its 4-TPU-chip costing $250, if not $25. At least, I 
hope.


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Re: [Computer-go] agz -- meditations

2017-10-19 Thread Cyris Sargon 
Sure, both hardware and software / algorithms are needed... but which gets
you the bigger ROI?  { Just a rhetorical question, I know it is not linear
and not a simple question... but in general, I can see David Silver's (&
Richard Lorentz / Demis Hassabis' counter) point }.

May you live in sente,
Cyris

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Brian Cloutier  replied:

> Well, if you have both, why not use both :)
>
> On Oct 19th 2017 Richard Lorentz  wrote:
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>> An interesting juxtaposition.
>>
>> Silver said "algorithms matter much more than ... computing".
>>
>> Hassabis estimated they used US$25 million of hardware.
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Re: [Computer-go] agz -- meditations

2017-10-19 Thread Brian Cloutier 
Well, if you have both, why not use both :)

On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 11:51 AM Richard Lorentz 
wrote:

> An interesting juxtaposition.
>
> Silver said "algorithms matter much more than ... computing".
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> Hassabis estimated they used US$25 million of hardware.
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[Computer-go] agz -- meditations

2017-10-19 Thread Richard Lorentz 

An interesting juxtaposition.

Silver said "algorithms matter much more than ... computing".

Hassabis estimated they used US$25 million of hardware.
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