Re: [CGUYS] first iMac question ug Vista
You forgot Ultimate edition! Vista is like baskin robins, only not as tasty. Mike On 9/23/07, Rev. Stewart Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are four flavors of Vista. Home, Home basic, Business and Business Premium. Of the four the upper two are the best of the bunch and from what I understand the only ones MS Legal to run on parallels. However you will also pay a premium. Also note that when you get into Vista there are numerous programs that have not been tweaked for Vista. The first question that needs to be asked is, if she is installing Parallels and wants to run Windows is she doing it for a specific piece of hardware or software? If she is doing it for a particular piece of hardware do they have Drivers for Vista? Will it run in Vista? if it is software the same questions should be asked. I can see no reason to buy Vista Business or Business premium if what she wants to do will run in XP. (Price for XP 95-105 and up. Vista Business 259-up) I have no problems with XP. I run an antivirus (Free) and have my system behind a router with a firewall. I use Eudora for my email and I trash all email and attachments I do not know Stewart At 06:42 PM 9/23/2007, you wrote: Vista is more than XP with security turned on. It's built in. Since security, or the lack there of, is one of XP's major flaws, I say that's sufficient reason to choose Vista. If you're going to use Parallels, keep in mind that you must buy a business edition of Vista (vs one of the home editions) to legally use it with Parallels or receive any Parallels customer support. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace Ozark, AL SL 82 * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] first iMac question ug Vista
notice the prices are OEM, which is cheaper than the full retail but not supported directly from microsoft, the oem must provide support.. Is this not the stuff that is supposed to be sold only with a computer? * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] first iMac question ug Vista
Ultimate and the Business premium I was mentioning are the same cat. And the prices you show there are for OEM. The licence on OEM specifically prohibits it being installed in a virtual computer. MS wants them to spend a whole bunch for a full copy of Business or Ultimate to use it that way. Stewart At 06:03 AM 9/24/2007, you wrote: At 12:00 AM 9/24/2007, you wrote: Date:Sun, 23 Sep 2007 21:29:46 -0500 From:Rev. Stewart Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: first iMac question ug Vista There are four flavors of Vista. Home, Home basic, Business and Business Premium. Sorry Rev, no cigar the highest level of Vista is Ultimate.. go here to see the prices and flavors http://www.tcponline.com/Softwares_operating_systems.htm notice the prices are OEM, which is cheaper than the full retail but not supported directly from microsoft, the oem must provide support.. Rich PS: I sure wish some of the members of the list would learn cut/copy-n-paste.. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace Ozark, AL SL 82 * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] first iMac question ug Vista
There are four flavors of Vista. Home, Home basic, Business and Business Premium. Actually, there are five: Home, Home Basic, Business, Enterprise, and Ultimate (what you are calling Business Premium, I think), in ascending order of what they contain (this can be read to be more good stuff or more stuff to make my life complicated). Enterprise is like the Business version (MS calls it the premium business edition [no caps]), with a few more items in it to make it easier to administer centrally. The average schmo (which is what some software companies think of us, I believe) buying for personal use will not be interested in Enterprise. And, of course, they all come in 32- and 64-bit versions, which for XP Pro led to a different flavor (too many things behave differently from 32-bit XP Pro), but perhaps not so with Vista. Ref: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsvista/editions/default.mspx Adil * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] first iMac question ug Vista
I could buy an OEM to go along with the system I built this past year. It would only be valid with that system and could not be transferred over to any other system. That is for people who are building systems for resale, not for their own use. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] first iMac question ug Vista
No it is also being interpreted as being for sale to folks who build their own. Newegg sells them with a warning, --- * Disclaimer: Qualifying proof of purchase must be recent receipts showing the purchase of a mother board, hard drive, RAM and a CPU. The components can be on multiple receipts; not necessarily all on one receipt nor on the same receipt as the qualifying Windows XP/Office 2003 that you purchased. This allows OEM's to be purchased by everyday schlubs like me without having to have or obtain a sales tax certificate from the state. This does not allow someone to go out and buy it and then resell it. Your using an old interpretation of OEM. It was for manufacturers to get deep discounts on OS's that everyday schlubs like me could not get. It has been loosened up so that builders like me can get it, but not at as deep a discount. (I bet Dell does not pay $95.00 per copy for their windows XP's) By the way they did this with 98 also. I built a few systems years ago and ordered as many 98's as I did systems. They were all OEM's coming in plain black and white CD holders. Stewart At 10:50 AM 9/24/2007, you wrote: I could buy an OEM to go along with the system I built this past year. It would only be valid with that system and could not be transferred over to any other system. That is for people who are building systems for resale, not for their own use. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace Ozark, AL SL 82 * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] [ OT WARNING!!!!
It's not just health care. As I see it, the underlying question is: do we, as citizens, want a system in which the highest ethical value is making more money, down to the last penny, no matter what else is lost in the process? Especially when some of the players who are doing the down to the last penny strategy already have vast resources and don't have to act like turn-of-the-century coal barons in order to survive and prosper. Quite apart from aesthetics (like, would you rather have a downtown in your small town or deserted storefronts and a Wal-Mart on the edge of town), there are real drawbacks for everyone in the down to the last penny strategy. For example, if you're a big-box store that doesn't pay its employees enough for medical care, doesn't include any medical insurance in the pay package, and doesn't allow employees to stay home when they are sick (all common practices), you're a major incubator site if someone walks into the store with pandemic flu, active drug-resistant TB, or bird flu (mutated for human-to-human transmission). In such a case, do you really think that the flu or the TB will stop at the end of the Wal-Mart parking lot? Especially if the local public health infrastructure is starved for funds because Wal-Mart and other major property owners have not been paying taxes. I might add in passing that, in most of human history, the ownership of large amounts of property--especially real estate--usually goes with large obligations. If Wal-Mart were in classical Greece, for example, they would be expected to pay for producing Euripides' latest play at the festival of Dionysus and buy a ship for the navy. This wasn't written law, but the penalties in loss of community prestige and influence--if they didn't pony up--were extreme. And the owners would be legally required to furnish horses, armor, and swords, and to be in the front lines if their city-state was at war with anybody. I wonder what would happen if Wal-Mart's major shareholders and corporate officers had to perform the equivalent functions today. They might have to underwrite part of Sundance film festival; build ships for the U.S. Navy; and personally go to Iraq as tank commanders in tanks they bought themselves (since, of course, a mounted, armored knight was the ancient and medieval equivalent of a tank). I'll bet if you gave the major shareholders of WalMart (and similar companies) the choice between going to Iraq and driving a tank and building (for example) nuclear submarines, in the classical Greek pattern--and paying taxes, slightly higher wages, and minimal medical insurance--they would unhesitatingly choose the latter. --Constance Warner * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] [ OT WARNING!!!!
Constance, Just addressing your one point below: If you recall, our Supreme Court ruled that a State could use its power of eminent domain to wrest real property from a citizen, then give that real property to a corporation, if in so doing, they would get more tax revenue from the corporation than from the rightful owner of the real property. So your question has already been answered in the affirmative by the highest court in the land. This is another proof, and an extremely important one, that our government is gradually being changed from a Republic (note that we never did have a Democracy) into a Fascist State. SNIP As I see it, the underlying question is: do we, as citizens, want a system in which the highest ethical value is making more money, down to the last penny, no matter what else is lost in the process? SNIP * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] [ OT WARNING!!!!
I don't quite see what the Supreme Court decision about eminent domain has to do with what WalMart does. WalMart often comes into a community, in spite of the community's protests, and does whatever Wal-Mart management wants: build stores, abandon stores, demand tax concessions, wreck downtowns. And don't get me started on the depredations of private developers around here; for example, we're losing the best architecture book store in town, to a New York developer who boasts of being a special patron of architects. That's only one case among many I could cite. The tide is not to public uses of assets; it's all one-way, into the hands of the highest bidders in the private sector. So far as I know, the Supreme Court decision had no part in any of these transactions. The private developers, and the big box stores, have more than enough power to do whatever they want. As to the Supreme Court decision on eminent domain: some local governments have already passed revised eminent domain laws that will make the Supreme Court decision moot. It's quite a popular issue to get elected on, and a lot of politicians are taking full advantage of it to make political hay. More power to them, in my opinion: that particular Supreme Court decision is on its way to that great law office in the sky, in part because of revised local laws, and in part because the Supreme Court actually does pay some attention to public opinion, when a decision like that causes a firestorm of projects. I have my doubts about the current administration, in part because it gives too much weight, and too many favors, to large property holders like Wal-Mart. --Constance If you recall, our Supreme Court ruled that a State could use its power of eminent domain to wrest real property from a citizen, then give that real property to a corporation, if in so doing, they would get more tax revenue from the corporation than from the rightful owner of the real property. So your question has already been answered in the affirmative by the highest court in the land. This is another proof, and an extremely important one, that our government is gradually being changed from a Republic (note that we never did have a Democracy) into a Fascist State. SNIP As I see it, the underlying question is: do we, as citizens, want a system in which the highest ethical value is making more money, down to the last penny, no matter what else is lost in the process? SNIP * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] [ OT WARNING!!!!
First off. Anyone who tries to compete against Walmart head to head is an idiot. Walmart is the largest grocer in town, but I still shop two smaller local stores because 1.) They carry things Walmart does not. 2.) I like their meat selections and quality better! I do not buy everything at Walmart simply because they do not carry everything and I can beat them at other stores on items. They are not a be all to end all. Also note. Check out how much cash, I.E. Grants the local stores hand out each year!!! You will be surprised. They hand out a lot of cash to different causes and activities and they tend not to discriminate about it either! In our community we can always trust Walmart to allow us to solicit in front of their store. Can't be said about all. When I lived in Wisconsin, there was a local medical outfit owned and run by the doctors (Minimum pay for the Doctors was over $200,00 per year 7 years ago.) This was a lot larger in income than the Walmart store. They were tax exempt due to state law. They started buying Doctors clinics throughout the northern part of the state and when they bought them, they immediately became tax exempt! Each community w0ould have a meeting with the local clinic and arrange a payment to take the place of taxes due on the property (Wisconsins Property Taxes are quite heavty.) One year the city did not like the amount that was proposed by the local clinic (The main one which generated 8 figures of income a year.) So when it came time for some roads to be redone around the clinic the city declared it had no money and those improvements would have to be put on the back burner. The clinic reopened their talks and a newer higher amount was made to the city in lieu of property taxes. By the way not very Walmart in every location is not paying taxes. In many locations they pay their fair share of property taxes. Only in cases where they negotiated to locate a Walmart and get an abatement of Taxes are they exempt and many of those are for a limited time only. After so many years they must pay taxes and pay them based on their current value not the original value. Stewart At 11:27 AM 9/24/2007, you wrote: It's not just health care. As I see it, the underlying question is: do we, as citizens, want a system in which the highest ethical value is making more money, down to the last penny, no matter what else is lost in the process? Especially when some of the players who are doing the down to the last penny strategy already have vast resources and don't have to act like turn-of-the-century coal barons in order to survive and prosper. Quite apart from aesthetics (like, would you rather have a downtown in your small town or deserted storefronts and a Wal-Mart on the edge of town), there are real drawbacks for everyone in the down to the last penny strategy. For example, if you're a big-box store that doesn't pay its employees enough for medical care, doesn't include any medical insurance in the pay package, and doesn't allow employees to stay home when they are sick (all common practices), you're a major incubator site if someone walks into the store with pandemic flu, active drug-resistant TB, or bird flu (mutated for human-to-human transmission). In such a case, do you really think that the flu or the TB will stop at the end of the Wal-Mart parking lot? Especially if the local public health infrastructure is starved for funds because Wal-Mart and other major property owners have not been paying taxes. I might add in passing that, in most of human history, the ownership of large amounts of property--especially real estate--usually goes with large obligations. If Wal-Mart were in classical Greece, for example, they would be expected to pay for producing Euripides' latest play at the festival of Dionysus and buy a ship for the navy. This wasn't written law, but the penalties in loss of community prestige and influence--if they didn't pony up--were extreme. And the owners would be legally required to furnish horses, armor, and swords, and to be in the front lines if their city-state was at war with anybody. I wonder what would happen if Wal-Mart's major shareholders and corporate officers had to perform the equivalent functions today. They might have to underwrite part of Sundance film festival; build ships for the U.S. Navy; and personally go to Iraq as tank commanders in tanks they bought themselves (since, of course, a mounted, armored knight was the ancient and medieval equivalent of a tank). I'll bet if you gave the major shareholders of WalMart (and similar companies) the choice between going to Iraq and driving a tank and building (for example) nuclear submarines, in the classical Greek pattern--and paying taxes, slightly higher wages, and minimal medical insurance--they would unhesitatingly choose the latter. --Constance Warner *
Re: [CGUYS] first iMac question ug Vista
New flavor: Genuine Windows® Vista Home Premium Shipped with new Compaq notebook. What's the difference? Maybe if we got Vista Ultimate it would have taken less than a week to get online with wireless. Choose your flavor http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsvista/editions/default.mspx M$ logo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHkT4peQdbs You forgot Ultimate edition! Vista is like baskin robins, only not as tasty. Mike On 9/23/07, Rev. Stewart Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are four flavors of Vista. Home, Home basic, Business and Business Premium. Of the four the upper two are the best of the bunch and from what I understand the only ones MS Legal to run on parallels. However you will also pay a premium. Also note that when you get into Vista there are numerous programs that have not been tweaked for Vista. The first question that needs to be asked is, if she is installing Parallels and wants to run Windows is she doing it for a specific piece of hardware or software? If she is doing it for a particular piece of hardware do they have Drivers for Vista? Will it run in Vista? if it is software the same questions should be asked. I can see no reason to buy Vista Business or Business premium if what she wants to do will run in XP. (Price for XP 95-105 and up. Vista Business 259-up) I have no problems with XP. I run an antivirus (Free) and have my system behind a router with a firewall. I use Eudora for my email and I trash all email and attachments I do not know * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] [ OT WARNING!!!!
Constance Warner [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: It's not just health care. As I see it, the underlying question is: do we, as citizens, want a system in which the highest ethical value is making more money, down to the last penny, no matter what else is lost in the process? Especially when some of the players who are doing the down to the last penny strategy already have vast resources and don't have to act like turn-of-the-century coal barons in order to survive and prosper. Quite apart from aesthetics (like, would you rather have a downtown in your small town or deserted storefronts and a Wal-Mart on the edge of town), there are real drawbacks for everyone in the down to the last penny strategy... Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness is for everybody, more or less. Can't do that if lots of people are sick. The rich are better off, too, when everybody is healthy. Trouble is that too many people--rich, middle class and poor--are too shortsighted/greedy/ignorant to figure that out. Thus they don't plan ahead and consider future consequences--truly penny-wise and pound-foolish. Google posted Robert Greenwald's video, Walmart - High Cost of Low Price, http://snipurl.com/1r6tc. It's a free download. Is there a video featuring a better-run company like Costco--not including 'Idiocracy' or 'Employee of the Month' [although Mike Judge's Idiocracy was funny]? There are plenty of companies that have management with consciences, just not Walmart--one of the most expensive places to shop. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] One laptop per child: give one and get one
I saw an IBM x31 laptop on ebay today for $135. What does this one do over that? Also, WalMart has desktops complete for that kinda money on sale. Further, how will it get power? If it has a wind-up or a treadmill for a rat, it might work. Maybe sun power or a windmill?? This sounds like a scam... -Original Message- From: Tom Piwowar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 5:01 PM Subject: Re: One laptop per child: give one and get one The New York Times article describes a program in which you can pay for one computer for a child, and get one shipped to you by Christmas. I think it's cool, and I might get one. I'm posting this in case somebody here wants one, too. The program will be available in November... I'm aghast at their poor grasp of the market. They could have priced it at a small premium and earned lots of money to support poor children. Instead they offer it at a rip off price and will end up with little to show for their efforts. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] x31 HDD upgrade
3yrs -Original Message- From: mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 4:41 PM Subject: Re: x31 HDD upgrade What is the warranty on the WD? Mike On 9/23/07, rlsimon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...oh yeah, why did I choose WD ?? ...postings said it's the quietest of all. In my Dell 4400 desktop the WD (which was so quiet I had to look at the light to see if the box was running) failed after over 5 yrs and I replaced it with a Seagate Barracuda which is noisier, not real bad but not quiet. In the x31 I have a Toshiba 5400 and it's very quiet. The cooling fan almost never comes on. ** ** * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] [ OT WARNING!!!!
Is there a video featuring a better-run company like Costco--not including 'Idiocracy' or 'Employee of the Month' [although Mike Judge's Idiocracy was funny]? There are plenty of companies that have management with consciences, just not Walmart--one of the most expensive places to shop. About a year ago NPR interviewed the president of Costco and I was very impressed with his sense of responsibility. He insisted that by providing better conditions he could attract better employees and reduce turnover. He said that the incresed productivity would pay for the better conditions. He was specificially critical of the WalMart methods. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] [ OT WARNING!!!!
On that I see no disagreement. A happy employee is worth a ton of money! They help recruit business. I know this as it is the same or similar model Churches use to grow. Happy members pull other newer members in though the door thereby increasing numbers. How to keep them happy plus make your profit is the key to growing a good business. Stewart At 09:29 PM 9/24/2007, you wrote: About a year ago NPR interviewed the president of Costco and I was very impressed with his sense of responsibility. He insisted that by providing better conditions he could attract better employees and reduce turnover. He said that the incresed productivity would pay for the better conditions. He was specificially critical of the WalMart methods. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace Ozark, AL SL 82 * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] One laptop per child: give one and get one
No, it's not a scam. They are rugged, require less power, look friendly to kids (the wireless antennas look like ears), have handles that make them easy to carry, and bright LCDs that are usable in daylight. Desktops, while cheaper to make, wouldn't fullfill the same need. The kids need to bring them to school and take them home. -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Announcements and Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of rlsimon Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 8:52 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] One laptop per child: give one and get one I saw an IBM x31 laptop on ebay today for $135. What does this one do over that? Also, WalMart has desktops complete for that kinda money on sale. Further, how will it get power? If it has a wind-up or a treadmill for a rat, it might work. Maybe sun power or a windmill?? This sounds like a scam... * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] One laptop per child: give one and get one
Nicholas Negroponte, head of the MIT Media Lab started the OLPC project Wired Magazine had a couple of stories about this in 2005 when the project was fairly new, http://www.wired.com/techbiz/people/news/2005/11/69615, photo, http://www.wired.com/culture/geekipedia/magazine/geekipedia/one_laptop. An updated story was also featured on CBS' 60 Minutes this year. http://search.cbsnews.com/?source=cbsq=one+laptop+per+child+60+minutesx=22y=7 The design is still being developed. Features being considered: wind-up and solar power, wifi, flash memory instead of hard drive, adjustable integrated antennae; sturdy, light, portable, attractive, child-friendly design. But is a laptop for every child necessary? Is that an effective educational tool? Overkill? http://hardware.slashdot.org/hardware/06/07/26/205230.shtml?tid=146 Betty No, it's not a scam. They are rugged, require less power, look friendly to kids (the wireless antennas look like ears), have handles that make them easy to carry, and bright LCDs that are usable in daylight. Desktops, while cheaper to make, wouldn't fullfill the same need. The kids need to bring them to school and take them home. -Original Message- I saw an IBM x31 laptop on ebay today for $135. What does this one do over that? Also, WalMart has desktops complete for that kinda money on sale. Further, how will it get power? If it has a wind-up or a treadmill for a rat, it might work. Maybe sun power or a windmill?? This sounds like a scam... * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
