Re: [CGUYS] Anti-virus
I use AVG free for anti-virus, Webroot's Spy Sweeper for anti-spyware and Zone Alarm Free for firewall. It's absolutely imperative that you have these three areas covered (by whatever programs you choose), especially if using IE and Outlook. I also use Firefox and Thunderbird to avoid the MS holes. Good Luck Richard P. A coworker of mine just bought a new Dell computer (with Vista) and her free Norton Anti-Virus (spyware blocker etc) has expired. She turned to me to ask me if she should renew it or get something else and if so what. I told her I couldn't answer it because as she knows I'm a Mac man and that would be a different answer. I however told her that I would check with the list. What do you recommend? It is a family computer. They are a family of 3. Their son is about 12. Thanks Steve * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Anti-virus
I stopped using ZA recently when it was blue screening my laptops when they connected to my .org's network through a VPN. Worked fine one night, then the next day, WHAM. Never could figure out what changed in ZA. Why not use a stateful hardware firewall for this kind of protection? Oops, I just read on Wikipedia that Vista does something that breaks stateful firewalls. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Fw: [CGUYS] [ OT WARNING!!!!
Winter Banana? Really? Where can you get them? I can buy Grimes Golden, Black Twig, York, Winesap, etc. from Heyser Farms, but they've never had Winter Banana. Do you have a source? --Constance P.S.: My husband works at an Apple retailer. I can ask him about some specialized technical Mac questions that are difficult to answer otherwise, and relay the answers to the list. No the vote on apple split three ways. Fuji, Granny Smith and Gravenstein with a few outliers for Winter Banana, Macoun and McIntosh On 9/26/07, mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or maybe the last guy with a question regarding apple stuff was refused an answer so everyone gave up. Mike On 9/26/07, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think too many list members have switched to OS X. Now they don't have any computer problems to gripe about. The rest of you need to get to work -- install Vista or some other harebrained piece of software so we can ponder the consequences. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Anti-virus
YEAH! Darn that windows vista for being too advanced...darn dirty vista! Oh and linux too. On 9/27/07, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oops, I just read on Wikipedia that Vista does something that breaks stateful firewalls. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] x31 HDD upgrade ... interim report II
Finished the clone process and all's well ...hooked the old drive to my desktop machine and cloned it to my 120gb ext USB drive (fully compressed took 16gb while the drive was 40gb and was almost full with ~2gb left) ...clone successful and formatted the 40gb drive now having a handy backup drive for my laptop!! -Original Message- From: rlsimon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 3:11 PM Subject: Re: x31 HDD upgrade ... interim report Installed WD-1200VE 120gb 5400 in my x31 with Apricorn Kit ...it was anything but easy!! Since the Apricorn drive needs 2 USB connections (1 data, 1 power) and the x31 has 2 usb2 ports and the CD-ROM also needs to be connected (IBM external usb2 multiburner) it's quite a headache! Was on the fone with Apricorn for over an hour but they are patient and stick with it until you succeed. They need a detailed FAQ for the x series that do not have an internal optical drive. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Anti-virus
I think Mike is drinking the koolaid on this one. I don't know about Apple but 15 years of familiarity with Microsoft makes it clear to me that software changes (i.e. features) are meant to drive marketing, except unlike model changes in cars they are more pernicious in that breaking old versions is part of the marketing strategy (as is canceling support). Rather than being consumer driven changes in software have always been largely done over the objections of the user base. IMHO (List, am I right?) - Original Message From: mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 3:18:12 PM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Anti-virus Sounds like you are describing a mac.. And new technology often does not work well with technology that is a decade old. But then you already know that, you just like taking pot shots at MS any chance you get even when there isn't an opening. The routers will catch up. With logic like yours we'd still be using 386's. Mike On 9/27/07, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is not being able to work well with other software and peripherals a sign of being advanced? What a concept! I never knew that. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
[CGUYS] Stealth Windows Updates Come to Roost
While some will continue to defend MS's stealth patches, it is now revealed that sloppy programming creates a situation where the stealth patches block many (around 80) other patches to XP. The problem happens if you reinstall XP and then try to run Windows Update. Apparently the stealth patches are installed first and these block the other patches. Thus, those of us who must reinstall XP end up without the patches necessary to defend this insecure operating system. http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,137770-page,1/article.html * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Anti-virus
At least with Zone Alarm you will know what programs on your computer are trying to access the Internet. It does require some judgment on your part because you will have to decide what gets permission and what doesn't. The neat (or scary thing you find out is how often all of the Microsoft programs want to phone home, for their unexplained reasons. Also, I've used Adaware and Spybot but they just didn't seem to find the spyware as well as Spy Sweeper did. Plus, Spy Sweeper was able to effectively clear up some installed spyware that the others found but couldn't do anything with. I don't know if it's the best, but it worked for me when I needed it most. Plus, being a paid subscription, it runs automatically and updates definitions everyday. Spy Sweeper prompts you whether or not to keep any newly installed program. If you ever have the misfortune of being infested with spyware, you'll wish you had gotten the best protection installed ahead of time. After the fact is probably too late. Just my opinion... Richard P. rlsimon wrote: I switched from Norton 2003 to Avast and it seems to work well. I have dialup via ATT via proxy accelerated ...do I need ZoneAlarm really? For spyware, I run Adaware periodically. Spybot doesn't ever seem to find anything, but has the immunization feature. Mike Stephen Brownfield wrote: A coworker of mine just bought a new Dell computer (with Vista) and her free Norton Anti-Virus (spyware blocker etc) has expired. She turned to me to ask me if she should renew it or get something else and if so what. I told her I couldn't answer it because as she knows I'm a Mac man and that would be a different answer. I however told her that I would check with the list. What do you recommend? It is a family computer. They are a family of 3. Their son is about 12. Thanks Steve * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Best apples (was Re: [CGUYS] Fw: [CGUYS] [ OT WARNING!!!!
I bought an apple called a Grapple that smelled and tasted very grape like last year. It came in a plastic box of four and smelled wonderful. I saw it at Wegmans and either Giant or Safeway. On 9/27/07, Paul Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the Splendid Table table episode last week they talked to an apple breeding botantist. He said they released a variety that tastes like cherries when fully ripe. - Original Message From: b_s-wilk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 12:04:25 PM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Best apples (was Re: [CGUYS] Fw: [CGUYS] [ OT WARNING If you ever had a Cortland apple from upper NY state, you would know which is the best. :-) Northern Spy--not only perfect for my yummy apple pies--it has the best name. Gotta go back to canning my apples now... Betty * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] rename the list ...naaaah!
Absolutely; I fully agree - just ignore the various asides, like my commentary about the fundamental problem of humanity, in response to Betty's observation about people not considering consequences. Computers, of course, are products of people asking questions, including about implications, consequences and proper (critical) distinctions), i.e. critical thinking, and the lack of such critical thinking (really critical questioning) characterizes virtually all important public discourse. So computers are related in that way to societal problems and our thinking about them - they are both products of processes that are essentially epistemologically opposite of each other. And, of course, the problem solving that goes into figuring out what is wrong with a computer, etc. is also essentially the same Furthermore, at a deep level, what gives computers their power to do all the things they do is most fundamentally the same thing that is at the root of both troubleshooting computers and the processes of the development of reason, science and technology that led to their creation and ongoing development. So, as the Philosopher Hegel showed some centuries ago, its all really related, and in that broad sense, on point and on topic, even if it doesn't appear to be perhaps at first glance or to most people. But I, too, am really here, at least originally and mostly, to tap into the collective experience and knowledge about computers and other related matters, because, as someone once said - and which is nicely expresses my theory, in its purely secular meaning - Ask and Ye Shall Receive. And there's no better way of receiving a desired or needed answer than by asking! Randall - Original Message - From: rlsimon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] rename the list ...nh! anyone who screws with this list is gonna hafta deal with me ...it's the only place to get some solid advice about computer issues from people who know something!! I have saved hundreds of dollars and hours from answers posted here by knowledgeable members for which I am grateful ...furthermore, I have evolved from newbie to minor geek from what I have learned here over the years...LEAVE IT ALONE, IT'S GREAT LIKE IT IS !! * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.32 - Release Date: 9/26/2007 12:00 AM * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
