Re: [CGUYS] Apple's Mobile Mess

2008-07-26 Thread mike
Macbreak weekly 98 had Merlin Mann nearly beside himself and going on a tear
about Apple's crappy migration.  At one point he admitted he no longer felt
comfortable slamming MS as he had the last fifteen years because clearly
things got more difficult for companies when scaling was involved.  Leo
Laporte agreed with him and on the windows weekly podcast...both of them are
serious gliterati.  Interesting listen.

Mike

On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 5:52 PM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Today the press finally announced that the emperor has no clothes.
 Apple's MobileMe service is a screwed up mess.

 http://www.nytimes.com/indexes/2008/07/24/technology/circuitsemail/index.ht
 mlhttp://www.nytimes.com/indexes/2008/07/24/technology/circuitsemail/index.htmland
  several others.

 Back when dot Mac was just a nice add-on service for desktop Macs it
 didn't matter that much that Apple is terrible at running a cloud
 service. Now it is central to the functioning of the iPhones and shitty
 performance won't cut it.

 I also think that giving dot Mac the heave ho with almost zero notice
 is very unbusinesslike. Some important dot Mac features did not make it
 to Mobile Me and anyone who depended on those features got no chance for
 an orderly migration.


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Re: [CGUYS] Apple's Mobile Mess

2008-07-26 Thread b_s-wilk
I dumped Dot Mac when they started charging for services that I could 
get free from Yahoo or elsewhere. .Mac was slow and not particularly 
reliable. MobileMe is not up to prime time either.


More about MobileMe's failure to launch:

MobileMe Fails to Launch Well, But Finally Launches, 
http://db.tidbits.com/article/9689
MobileMea Culpa: Apple Apologizes and Explains Tiger Situation, 
http://db.tidbits.com/article/9695



Betty


Today the press finally announced that the emperor has no clothes. 
Apple's MobileMe service is a screwed up mess.


http://www.nytimes.com/indexes/2008/07/24/technology/circuitsemail/index.ht
ml and several others.

Back when dot Mac was just a nice add-on service for desktop Macs it 
didn't matter that much that Apple is terrible at running a cloud 
service. Now it is central to the functioning of the iPhones and shitty 
performance won't cut it.


I also think that giving dot Mac the heave ho with almost zero notice 
is very unbusinesslike. Some important dot Mac features did not make it 
to Mobile Me and anyone who depended on those features got no chance for 
an orderly migration.



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[CGUYS] Ripping off American consumers [was Re: T-Mobile?]

2008-07-26 Thread b_s-wilk

I think the 7-11 SpeakOut phone service uses Rogers in Canada.


Canada does not have as big a problem as we do as they have less
vendors covering their cell phones.  (Rogers and Bell are the two
biggest if I remember)

Plus we pay more for our cell phone coverage because we get discounts
on our phones.  They subsidies their phones with higher rates.  Plus
our landline coverage is cheaper than it is in Europe.  (They all
have metered service!!!)


The discounts on our phones are pretty bad compared to some of the 
discounts I see elsewhere. In Ireland last summer Orange had a deal for 
a free Nokia N73 [N82 this year] quadband music phone plus free 
broadband with an 18 month contract at €35/month with either 600 or 650 
minutes and 100 texts. In the Netherlands T-Mobile has the Nokia N-95 
quadband WiFi phone for less than €20 with a choice of 3 contracts. 
iPhone 3G [€79.95/€1,00/€1,0] contract is €29,95/€44,95/€64,95 including 
mobile Internet. You can get good contracts for as low as €15/mo. 
Verizon gives you 30 minutes for $15-20/mo. in a rip-off emergency 
plan. ATT has no emergency plans.  And you can also get Skype phones 
for as low as €9/mo. unless you find one of the thousands of free open 
WiFi networks. [Can these Skype phones work in Philly where the city's 
WiFi network is free?]


I have Verizon metered service in Maryland. I like it. I don't use our 
landline for local calls much, and I use an MCI/Verizon phone card [2.x 
cents/min] or T-Mobile cell phone for long distance and overseas; the 
PIN is programmed into our phones. Costs us $17/month, much cheaper than 
any telco package I've seen.




It is easy to complain when you compare apples and plums.


It's easier to complain rationally when you have the actual figures to 
compare. Mobile service here is expensive, no matter which fruits you 
choose to compare.


OTOH, most electronics are cheaper in the US--computers, cameras, home 
theater components, etc., not just because of the cheap dollar; 
electronics were cheaper here even with a stronger dollar. Foreigners 
come to the US on buying trips carrying many empty suitcases, even to 
expensive places like NYC and Miami Beach. Too bad the excessively 
paranoid INS is making it harder for people to come here and spend lots 
of cash now that they've changed the visa requirements for friendly 
countries.


Betty


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Re: [CGUYS] CUT AND PASTE. (PLEASE)

2008-07-26 Thread Tom Piwowar
top-post

Oh no! You won't get me to argue top vs bottom posting. Might as well 
join the battle of big-endians vs. little-endians.


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Re: [CGUYS] CUT AND PASTE. (PLEASE)

2008-07-26 Thread Brian Jones
 Original Message - 
From: Eric S. Sande [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Subject: Re: [CGUYS] CUT AND PASTE. (PLEASE)




Bottom quoting is for bottom feeders.  I believe we have all
been taught to read from the top of the page to the bottom of
page.



Please clarify... am I bottom quoting or top quoting in this message?

 - Brian


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Re: [CGUYS] esata

2008-07-26 Thread Brian Jones
- Original Message - 
From: mike [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Subject: [CGUYS] esata



I just hooked up a new 500 gig esata II drive to my vista 64 box.  I have
the correct driver installed but the drive isn't showing up in the list 
for

drives available to be safely removed.  Am I missing a setting?  Perhaps a
BIOS setting?  RAID is not enabled on the box.


SATA (and by extension eSATA) are expected (by applications and the 
operating system) to act like a PATA drive... which is typically available 
from boot to shut down.  Yes, you can 'hot swap' all of these drives if you 
use a RAID configuration and a RAID controller, but that is not what Mike 
intends to do here.  I think Mike wants the ability to put a completely 
different data volume on the same eSATA port without rebooting.


^ A comparison with Ultra ATA Technology (PDF). SATA-IO. Retrieved on 
2007-07-12.


 - Brian 



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Re: [CGUYS] CUT AND PASTE. (PLEASE)

2008-07-26 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 6:03 PM, Brian Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Original Message - From: Eric S. Sande [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [CGUYS] CUT AND PASTE. (PLEASE)



 Bottom quoting is for bottom feeders.  I believe we have all
 been taught to read from the top of the page to the bottom of
 page.


 Please clarify... am I bottom quoting or top quoting in this message?

As an old usenet hack top posting is one of the greater evils.  It is
hard to avoid using gmail and Googles text editor.

Quotes just disappear into a line labeled -show quoted text-.

-- 
John Duncan Yoyo
---o)


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Re: [CGUYS] CUT AND PASTE. (PLEASE)

2008-07-26 Thread Eric S. Sande

Bottom quoting is for bottom feeders.  I believe we have all
been taught to read from the top of the page to the bottom of
page.




Please clarify... am I bottom quoting or top quoting in this message?


Top quoting.  See how this flow thing works?

:-)


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Re: [CGUYS] esata

2008-07-26 Thread mike
Unlike PATA, both SATA and eSATA are designed to support hot-swapping.
However, this feature requires proper support at the host, device (drive),
and operating-system level. In general, all SATA/devices (drives) support
hot-swapping http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot-swapping (due to the
requirements on the device-side), but requisite support is less common on
SATA host adapters http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Host_adapter

That's from wiki on esata...untrue?  I've never heard that esata was not hot
swappable, I mean isn't that the point of external drives?

Mike

On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 3:22 PM, Brian Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 - Original Message - From: mike [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [CGUYS] esata



  I just hooked up a new 500 gig esata II drive to my vista 64 box.  I have
 the correct driver installed but the drive isn't showing up in the list
 for
 drives available to be safely removed.  Am I missing a setting?  Perhaps a
 BIOS setting?  RAID is not enabled on the box.


 SATA (and by extension eSATA) are expected (by applications and the
 operating system) to act like a PATA drive... which is typically available
 from boot to shut down.  Yes, you can 'hot swap' all of these drives if you
 use a RAID configuration and a RAID controller, but that is not what Mike
 intends to do here.  I think Mike wants the ability to put a completely
 different data volume on the same eSATA port without rebooting.

 ^ A comparison with Ultra ATA Technology (PDF). SATA-IO. Retrieved on
 2007-07-12.

  - Brian

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Re: [CGUYS] esata

2008-07-26 Thread Fred Holmes
SATA is just a new way of attaching fixed drives.  E-SATA is an external 
connection that is shielded (uses shielded cable), while internal SATA 
connections are unshielded.  While in principle, one could make such 
connections removable (or whatever), I don't think it is done by default.  Is 
Vista supposed to make all SATA drives removable?  Just those for which the 
motherboard supports it?

Fred Holmes

At 08:19 PM 7/23/2008, mike wrote:
I just hooked up a new 500 gig esata II drive to my vista 64 box.  I have
the correct driver installed but the drive isn't showing up in the list for
drives available to be safely removed.  Am I missing a setting?  Perhaps a
BIOS setting?  RAID is not enabled on the box.

Mike


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