Re: [CGUYS] Tricky things...
Yes, I will have to do this... but the first time I tried I found it quite complicated... Poor me... Why don´t I just buy a Dell? Marcio -Original Message- From: Fred Holmes f...@his.com Sent: Oct 24, 2009 10:23 AM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Tricky things... When was the manual written? Likely it pre-dates the release version of Win 7. I'd check the board manufacturer's web site. You might be able to download Win7 drivers for motherboard feature from the Asus web site. Fred Holmes At 11:56 PM 10/23/2009, Marcio wrote: As I prepare for my new computer I bought an ASUS Mobo P5Q PRO TURBO. I am ready to by an OEM Windows 7 Professional. Then I read in the Mobo Manual that it will work with Windows XP and Vista. No 7 there... Where do I go from here? Anxious... Marcio * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Tricky things...
Price and Pentium Dual... It is enough for me. Marcio -Original Message- From: Tony B ton...@gmail.com Sent: Oct 24, 2009 8:03 AM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@listserv.aol.com Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Tricky things... Why are you opting for Win7 Pro instead of the cheaper Home Premium? You may have a problem with the 64 bit drivers for the board, but at this point they should be included or available for download. Well, wait. As I look at that board, I see it's an older one. Why would you put this into your own new computer??? On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 12:14 AM, Reid Katan ka...@his.com wrote: Quoting Marcio m...@ix.netcom.com: As I prepare for my new computer I bought an ASUS Mobo P5Q PRO TURBO. I am ready to by an OEM Windows 7 Professional. Then I read in the Mobo Manual that it will work with Windows XP and Vista. No 7 there... Where do I go from here? Nowhere. The manual probably was written befoe Win7 came out (especially since you got you parts before Win7 came out) so knows nothing of it's existence. I suspect it'll work just fine with Win7. I also suspect it'll work just fine with Win 2000, Win 98 Win ME, Win 3.1, and even plain old DOS. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Tricky things...
This is indeed good news... Willlet you all know. Marcio -Original Message- From: Reid Katan ka...@his.com Sent: Oct 24, 2009 2:14 AM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Tricky things... Quoting Marcio m...@ix.netcom.com: As I prepare for my new computer I bought an ASUS Mobo P5Q PRO TURBO. I am ready to by an OEM Windows 7 Professional. Then I read in the Mobo Manual that it will work with Windows XP and Vista. No 7 there... Where do I go from here? Nowhere. The manual probably was written befoe Win7 came out (especially since you got you parts before Win7 came out) so knows nothing of it's existence. I suspect it'll work just fine with Win7. I also suspect it'll work just fine with Win 2000, Win 98 Win ME, Win 3.1, and even plain old DOS. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Learning Mac...
My daughter is a school teacher. She knows very well how to work with PCs. She has a PC laptop. Now in her new school they only have Macs, for teachers and students. I am not sure she should buy a Mac but she says that she doesn´t know how to work with them. Is there a school or a place where she can learn? Perhaps in an Apple Store? Thanks Marcio * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Learning Mac...
I'd recommend she buy one simply so she can learn to work with them. Especially if she expects to keep the job. For the general user Macs and PCs really aren't that different. They both try to do the same things, show email, download webpages, create documents, etc. There are just slight differences here and there for the user. Kind of like learning the difference between driving a stick and an automatic and the new stick/automatics. A car is still a car. Since your daughter is a school teacher I'm sure she's intelligent. So if she was to buy one, which she'll probably need/want anyway after working with them at school, she'll be able to get used to them that much faster. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Oct 25, 2009, at 2:55 AM, Marcio wrote: My daughter is a school teacher. She knows very well how to work with PCs. She has a PC laptop. Now in her new school they only have Macs, for teachers and students. I am not sure she should buy a Mac but she says that she doesn´t know how to work with them. Is there a school or a place where she can learn? Perhaps in an Apple Store? Thanks Marcio * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Learning Mac...
On Oct 25, 2009, at 5:55 AM, Marcio wrote: My daughter is a school teacher. She knows very well how to work with PCs. She has a PC laptop. Now in her new school they only have Macs, for teachers and students. I am not sure she should buy a Mac but she says that she doesn´t know how to work with them. Is there a school or a place where she can learn? Perhaps in an Apple Store? Start with a good book... http://www.amazon.com/Little-Mac-Book-Snow-Leopard/dp/0321646916 The Little Mac Book, Snow Leopard Edition (Paperback) Robin Williams (Author) $13.59 Amazon review: When I took my first commercial art course I had to learn how to use a Mac instead of a PC. I discovered that the commercial art department always used the newest edition of this book to get their students up and running on a Mac. As the head of the department told us, you will be working on your first art projects in Photoshop on a Mac in two days. He was right. He gave us a test to show we'd all read the book and then we all opened Photoshop on the lab Macs and we were off and running. Not a single student had a problem. There are more complicated books about Macs. There are books with more tricks to use on Macs. But there is no other book which can get you up and running a Mac and creating projects on software running on a Mac this fast. My sister just took a new job and the first day the company handed her a Mac. I told her to get this book and she was up and running fast too. To this day the commercial art department where I learned still starts every new student off with this book. But there is one major problem here. If you daughter starts using a Mac it won't be long before you realize how much better it works than your PCs. Then you will switch to a Mac and because it really does work much better than your PCs it won't be long before you stop posting long tales of woe. We will miss you very much. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] wireless question
On Oct 24, 2009, at 11:49 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: Could you use a wireless access point to act as a bridge, connected to your iMac via a short ethernet cable? That can give you faster wireless. It would probably be cheaper than finding the original AirPort card, too. That is definitely your best way to go. Ethernet is your fastest port. It will give you access to an up-to-date version of WiFi that will be much easier to work with and has higher throughput. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Learning Mac...
Marcio, The Apple store should be more than willing to help her. It is not hard at all to learn to use a Mac. If she wants to buy a Mac, make sure that she looks at the Education Discount. Steve Marcio wrote: My daughter is a school teacher. She knows very well how to work with PCs. She has a PC laptop. Now in her new school they only have Macs, for teachers and students. I am not sure she should buy a Mac but she says that she doesn´t know how to work with them. Is there a school or a place where she can learn? Perhaps in an Apple Store? Thanks Marcio * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Subject: wireless question
On Oct 24, 2009, at 9:33 PM, Stephen Brownfield wrote: It is currently set using the Ethernet. It connects to my wireless DSL modem/router. The printer is connected to iMac and shared with our wireless laptops. My iMac is over 7 years old, so I was thinking when I replace it that I would make it my wireless print server. I was wondering if I could just make it wireless or if I am going to need to keep it connected to the wireless router via the Ethernet. I hope this makes sense. Retire the lamp to object d'art status. Just buy a wireless print server and connect it to your printer. Many WiFi access points include this feature. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Subject: wireless question
Tom, I hate to retire my ilamp completely. Like most Macs, it is still a good hard working computer. As a Print Sever, I could hook up both my laser printers to it. It also would be my legacy Mac, so if I need to open any of my old OS 9 files it can do that. Again, I always have trouble retiring my Macs because that just keep on working. Steve tjpa wrote: On Oct 24, 2009, at 9:33 PM, Stephen Brownfield wrote: It is currently set using the Ethernet. It connects to my wireless DSL modem/router. The printer is connected to iMac and shared with our wireless laptops. My iMac is over 7 years old, so I was thinking when I replace it that I would make it my wireless print server. I was wondering if I could just make it wireless or if I am going to need to keep it connected to the wireless router via the Ethernet. I hope this makes sense. Retire the lamp to object d'art status. Just buy a wireless print server and connect it to your printer. Many WiFi access points include this feature. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Subject: wireless question
On Oct 25, 2009, at 11:18 AM, Stephen Brownfield wrote: I hate to retire my ilamp completely. Don't retire it. Get some really cool screen savers or put your photo collection on it and put it on an end table in your living room. But working as a print server is a sad way for it to end its life. And its more trouble than its worth. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Microsoft stores and Windows 7
I have not been into a Microsoft store. I have seen the first of those stores by way of numerous videos that are now circulating on the internet. Word has it that these stores are going to all physically resemble the stores operated by Apple, and from the videos I have seen of the one on Scottsdale, this appears to be the case. I also have taken note of the fact that Microsoft is heavily touting that Windows 7 is going to dramatically SIMPLIFY operations and procedures under the Windows operating environment. Again, this seems to be a copying of the Apple tradition. Microsoft appears to want to mimic Apple as opposed to having a business model predicated upon differentiating itself from the major competition. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Microsoft stores and Windows 7
Touting that windows 7 is dramatically simplified. And this is the Apple way? So it would be better and smarter to tout that windows 7 dramatically increases the complexity of operations? Isn't this like complaining that toyota is copying honda by mentioning better mileage? Personally I think these stores are a horrible idea. MS does not control the PC environment it's choosing to serve the way Apple does. No matter how hard they try, I can't see this working even if MS wasn't incompetant in this area which I'm thinking they are close to being. On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 5:03 PM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote: I have not been into a Microsoft store. I have seen the first of those stores by way of numerous videos that are now circulating on the internet. Word has it that these stores are going to all physically resemble the stores operated by Apple, and from the videos I have seen of the one on Scottsdale, this appears to be the case. I also have taken note of the fact that Microsoft is heavily touting that Windows 7 is going to dramatically SIMPLIFY operations and procedures under the Windows operating environment. Again, this seems to be a copying of the Apple tradition. Microsoft appears to want to mimic Apple as opposed to having a business model predicated upon differentiating itself from the major competition. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Microsoft stores and Windows 7
It matters not to me how it goes as there will never be a Microsoft store close to where I live. Having said that I too see it as a loosing proposition as they are not a hardware company. Secondly Ballmer is not a computer programmer or designer, he is a business guy. (read sales type) These two things do not necessarily mix. Finally to go after Apple/Mac is a stupid thing to do. You do not compete directly against a Walmart. You find out what Walmart does not do and do it and do it right. (Walmart has gotten out of the Fabric Line in many places and also out of Automotive) MS does a few things well. Some of their equipment is top notch, keyboard, mice video cams etc. Become a peripheral manufacturer besides your OS and Office software and stay away from Ipod clones and stuff like that. Their Xboxes are neat machines in that they have struck up a relationship with Netfilx and you can stream movies from Netflix via an Xbox. (Buy a used one and hook it up to your TV) My son-in-law has one and uses it as his DVD player plus game machine. So I think the stores are a bad idea as they are the wrong thing for this kind of company. But what do you expect from a salesman? Stewart At 07:44 PM 10/25/2009, you wrote: Touting that windows 7 is dramatically simplified. And this is the Apple way? So it would be better and smarter to tout that windows 7 dramatically increases the complexity of operations? Isn't this like complaining that toyota is copying honda by mentioning better mileage? Personally I think these stores are a horrible idea. MS does not control the PC environment it's choosing to serve the way Apple does. No matter how hard they try, I can't see this working even if MS wasn't incompetant in this area which I'm thinking they are close to being. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Microsoft stores and Windows 7
Simplifying generally means hiding the details from the user, which I don't like. What I want from Windows is for it to work as advertised. Never a blue screen of death. Never a driver that can't be found. Never an incorrect driver loaded. Drivers available for any/all peripherals. And, dare I say it, Multiple Master fonts available. The ability to really add a whole lot of USB and Firewire peripherals that all work on a single machine, etc. Fred Holmes At 08:03 PM 10/25/2009, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: I have not been into a Microsoft store. I have seen the first of those stores by way of numerous videos that are now circulating on the internet. Word has it that these stores are going to all physically resemble the stores operated by Apple, and from the videos I have seen of the one on Scottsdale, this appears to be the case. I also have taken note of the fact that Microsoft is heavily touting that Windows 7 is going to dramatically SIMPLIFY operations and procedures under the Windows operating environment. Again, this seems to be a copying of the Apple tradition. Microsoft appears to want to mimic Apple as opposed to having a business model predicated upon differentiating itself from the major competition. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Microsoft stores and Windows 7
So far it seems to do that. I have had it loaded since Friday night. How many USB devices do you want at one time? I usually have one or two plugged into my laptop plus a few more every now and then. My desktop usually have at least 6 devices plugged in plus a hub. To include, multiple printers, mouse keyboard, thumb drives, UPSbackup, external hard drive and other stuff now and then. So far I have never had a real problem. A few years back I would get errors that they were drawing too much power, but I have not seen one of those in years. Stewart At 09:24 PM 10/25/2009, you wrote: Simplifying generally means hiding the details from the user, which I don't like. What I want from Windows is for it to work as advertised. Never a blue screen of death. Never a driver that can't be found. Never an incorrect driver loaded. Drivers available for any/all peripherals. And, dare I say it, Multiple Master fonts available. The ability to really add a whole lot of USB and Firewire peripherals that all work on a single machine, etc. Fred Holmes At 08:03 PM 10/25/2009, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: I have not been into a Microsoft store. I have seen the first of those stores by way of numerous videos that are now circulating on the internet. Word has it that these stores are going to all physically resemble the stores operated by Apple, and from the videos I have seen of the one on Scottsdale, this appears to be the case. I also have taken note of the fact that Microsoft is heavily touting that Windows 7 is going to dramatically SIMPLIFY operations and procedures under the Windows operating environment. Again, this seems to be a copying of the Apple tradition. Microsoft appears to want to mimic Apple as opposed to having a business model predicated upon differentiating itself from the major competition. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Microsoft stores and Windows 7
I just have frequent instances where certain combinations of USB devices produce a spontaneous re-boot of the computer, or a blue screen of death if they are all plugged in when the system is booted. No real practical way to figure out what the conflicts are and why. But not likely that you and I have the same set of explicit USB peripherals (make and model of external hubs, external disk drive enclosures, etc.). Fred Holmes At 10:55 PM 10/25/2009, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: So far it seems to do that. I have had it loaded since Friday night. How many USB devices do you want at one time? I usually have one or two plugged into my laptop plus a few more every now and then. My desktop usually have at least 6 devices plugged in plus a hub. To include, multiple printers, mouse keyboard, thumb drives, UPSbackup, external hard drive and other stuff now and then. So far I have never had a real problem. A few years back I would get errors that they were drawing too much power, but I have not seen one of those in years. Stewart At 09:24 PM 10/25/2009, you wrote: Simplifying generally means hiding the details from the user, which I don't like. What I want from Windows is for it to work as advertised. Never a blue screen of death. Never a driver that can't be found. Never an incorrect driver loaded. Drivers available for any/all peripherals. And, dare I say it, Multiple Master fonts available. The ability to really add a whole lot of USB and Firewire peripherals that all work on a single machine, etc. Fred Holmes At 08:03 PM 10/25/2009, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: I have not been into a Microsoft store. I have seen the first of those stores by way of numerous videos that are now circulating on the internet. Word has it that these stores are going to all physically resemble the stores operated by Apple, and from the videos I have seen of the one on Scottsdale, this appears to be the case. I also have taken note of the fact that Microsoft is heavily touting that Windows 7 is going to dramatically SIMPLIFY operations and procedures under the Windows operating environment. Again, this seems to be a copying of the Apple tradition. Microsoft appears to want to mimic Apple as opposed to having a business model predicated upon differentiating itself from the major competition. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 23 Oct 2009 to 24 Oct 2009 - Special issue (#2009-949)
Sent from my iPod On Oct 24, 2009, at 8:20 PM, COMPUTERGUYS-L automatic digest system lists...@listserv.aol.com wrote: Date:Sat, 24 Oct 2009 12:10:00 -0400 From:b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es Subject: New Apple Ad -- doesn't play on iPod Touch http://tinyurl.com/yjtwgwn Does this mean I have to upgrade the OS from 2.x to 3.1? [at least it's half price now] * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] New Apple Ad -- doesn't play on iPod Touch
Betty, I have OS 3.1 on my iPod, and it won't play the newest videos (the top 3) either. Sent from my iPod On Oct 24, 2009, at 8:20 PM, COMPUTERGUYS-L automatic digest system lists...@listserv.aol.com wrote: Date:Sat, 24 Oct 2009 12:10:00 -0400 From:b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es Subject: New Apple Ad -- doesn't play on iPod Touch http://tinyurl.com/yjtwgwn Does this mean I have to upgrade the OS from 2.x to 3.1? [at least it's half price now] * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Microsoft stores and Windows 7
Almost everything you mention has nothing to with ms. On Oct 25, 2009 7:43 PM, Fred Holmes f...@his.com wrote: Simplifying generally means hiding the details from the user, which I don't like. What I want from Windows is for it to work as advertised. Never a blue screen of death. Never a driver that can't be found. Never an incorrect driver loaded. Drivers available for any/all peripherals. And, dare I say it, Multiple Master fonts available. The ability to really add a whole lot of USB and Firewire peripherals that all work on a single machine, etc. Fred Holmes At 08:03 PM 10/25/2009, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: I have not been into a Microsoft store. I h... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Microsoft stores and Windows 7
On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 8:44 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: Touting that windows 7 is dramatically simplified. And this is the Apple way? So it would be better and smarter to tout that windows 7 dramatically increases the complexity of operations? The way I see it is this. Macintosh computers have long been recognized as being easier to use than machines that run under Windows, and for presenting fewer operating problems to users. Many, perhaps even most users of Windows have made their switch to Macs for this very reason. Suddenly, and for what I think is the very first time, Windows ads are now emphasizing simplicity of use, a claim that Apple has staked as their own for a long, long time, and that Microsoft has never bothered with. At least one of the current Windows 7 TV ads contains footage of persons telling viewers that they want a computer that is easy to use. I take that to be in reference to previous versions of Windows. Surely that could not be an oblique slam against Mac's, could it? Nah. That would be nonsensical. Naturally, I would not expect to see Microsoft claim that their newest version of Windows makes operations more complex, but neither would I have ever imagined that they would seem to be admitting that previous versions were too complex and complicated. Seems as though MS is attempting to establish their new OS as being equivalent to the Mac OS almost as if they are playing catch-up, and even going so far as to mimic the look and feel of Apple stores in their own new retail outlets. Simp7icity. That presentation of the word simplicity,, with the number 7 serving as an inverted L, is now one of their copyrighted trademarks. Microsoft seems to feel compelled to hammer home the concept of simple to use. I wonder why? Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
