Re: [CGUYS] os x and limiting net access
At 12:10 AM -0700 12/23/09, mike wrote: Thanks, I don't have the box in front of me ATM and I wasn't sure you could get that precise as to set a time for access to the net. You can't. At least, not as far as I can see. I set up a test account with Parental Controls, and the only time limits were to complete access to the computer. Your friend may have to look to his router for the granularity he seeks. Some routers have access controls built in, based, of course, on MAC addresses. On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 11:30 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Dec 22, 2009, at 11:03 PM, mike wrote: I've got a friend with a os x machine and he wants to limit his sons internet time to 30 minutes...I'm not quite sure if or how to do this on the mac. He wants his son to have full access to the machine 24/7, but limit internet connectivity to a specified time period. Any advice apprecia Easy. Set up a managed account for the boy. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- Roger Lovettsville, VA * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 22 Dec 2009 (#2009-1143)
You can limit network access by using Firewall Client IP filters in a router. This is probably not a perfect solution because it limits the whole machine during a specific time. If your friend wanted to use the machine during the restricted hours, he would have to either log into the router and change the settings (done in the router), or change the ip address of the machine to one [an ip address] that had less restrictive settings (done in the computer). --- On Wed, 12/23/09, COMPUTERGUYS-L automatic digest system lists...@listserv.aol.com wrote: From: COMPUTERGUYS-L automatic digest system lists...@listserv.aol.com Subject: COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 22 Dec 2009 (#2009-1143) To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Date: Wednesday, December 23, 2009, 12:00 AM There is 1 message totalling 19 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. os x and limiting net access * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 21:03:49 -0700 From: mike xha...@gmail.com Subject: os x and limiting net access I've got a friend with a os x machine and he wants to limit his sons internet time to 30 minutes...I'm not quite sure if or how to do this on the mac. He wants his son to have full access to the machine 24/7, but limit internet connectivity to a specified time period. Any advice appreciated. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- End of COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 22 Dec 2009 (#2009-1143) *** * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] more google phone-ness
Some of the tech sites are reporting the magical google phone will be Tmobile only, does this change the game and make it like every single other android phone out there? Will this be the rumored heavily subsidized google phone or just another offering? If not the openness of being on multiple carriers, does this phone lose the edge it might have had? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] os x and limiting net access
At 8:28 AM -0700 12/23/09, mike wrote: That's what I thought, that I'd have to go to the router for such control. ...or use a parental controls application (e.g. Intego ContentBarrier). - John -- * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] STRANGE VIRUS?
Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: I remember way back when memory sold for $60 a MB. (We sold a custom machine where the man wanted 16 MB of ram, cost him $640 a lone for the ram.) Stewart I remember when memory was $450 per MB. I had a Zenith PC and it had proprietary memory. Some time later I found a used MB for sale for only $75 so I bought it, but the machine died before I installed the memory. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] os x and limiting net access
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 10:49 AM, John A. Newitt newit...@gmail.com wrote: At 8:28 AM -0700 12/23/09, mike wrote: That's what I thought, that I'd have to go to the router for such control. ...or use a parental controls application (e.g. Intego ContentBarrier). Open DNS would work for content. I found it a bit overly broad but it depends on the kids involved. They might notice the parental controls on their maching but DNS would take someone fairly savvy to think of. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] os x and limiting net access
Dad wanted complete no access except when specified. LIke I said I have a router that will do it, but I was hoping it could be done at the user level. On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 9:14 AM, John Duncan Yoyo johnduncany...@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 10:49 AM, John A. Newitt newit...@gmail.com wrote: At 8:28 AM -0700 12/23/09, mike wrote: That's what I thought, that I'd have to go to the router for such control. ...or use a parental controls application (e.g. Intego ContentBarrier). Open DNS would work for content. I found it a bit overly broad but it depends on the kids involved. They might notice the parental controls on their maching but DNS would take someone fairly savvy to think of. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] AAAHH, the old days
My wife was working for a company that had ported its database to the IBM PC. So we got a loan from the credit union and bought a PC for $5,000. It had: - 10 MB HD (but we saved money by adding one to a PC, not by buying an XT) - 640K of RAM (maxed out, and more than $1000 of the price was bumping it up from 64(128?) K) - Ergonomically superior orange on black monitor with Hercules graphics card to do graphics, like pie charts and such. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] AAAHH, the old days
Ridiculous isn't it what we spent in those days. My dad got his ATT 6300 through work (ATT) Nice thing about it was the integrated graphics and monitor it came with. I kept that computer for a long time. Eventually upgraded to a 486SX. Then started building all of my own. Stewart At 10:40 AM 12/23/2009, you wrote: My wife was working for a company that had ported its database to the IBM PC. So we got a loan from the credit union and bought a PC for $5,000. It had: - 10 MB HD (but we saved money by adding one to a PC, not by buying an XT) - 640K of RAM (maxed out, and more than $1000 of the price was bumping it up from 64(128?) K) - Ergonomically superior orange on black monitor with Hercules graphics card to do graphics, like pie charts and such. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] os x and limiting net access
I've also heard a way around the application limit is instead of launching the app itself, you launch a file that in turn launces the app. Sound right or is that way off? Thanks for the feedback on this, instead of setting up two accounts, it's easier to just use the router, I can set specific times to allow internet access fairly easily. As I said If this worked at the user level, I'd use that, but the solution at the OS level seems to involve too much duct tape and jiggering. Thanks. On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 9:58 AM, David K Watson davidkirkwat...@gmail.comwrote: As others have pointed out, Accounts in System Preferences has parental controls which allow you to limit computer time or specific applications, but not time for particular applications. However, your friend could set up two accounts and limit internet applications but not time on one account and limit the time but not the internet applications on the other account. On the full time account, he can also be a little more specific and block Safari and iChat while allowing Mail for specific addresses, for example. There is also a logging feature which he might find useful. This seems to me to be easier to set up than the other solutions that have been proposed. If his son needs to download files for use outside his open internet interval (for school work, for example), he will need to set his downloads folder to be either his public folder or the shared folder. On Dec 22, 2009, at 11:00 PM, COMPUTERGUYS-L automatic digest system wrote: From:mike xha...@gmail.com Subject: os x and limiting net access I've got a friend with a os x machine and he wants to limit his sons internet time to 30 minutes...I'm not quite sure if or how to do this on the mac. He wants his son to have full access to the machine 24/7, but limit internet connectivity to a specified time period. Any advice appreciated. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] STRANGE VIRUS? AGAIN
Hi ... Well I had to get my son to come over here and type out what actually happens with this virus because he didn't want to send it to me in an email. So, here's what he told me. Hope you can make out what it is that's going on --- and better yet -- what he might do to fix it. Worst case -- do you think Dell will take it back so we can start over or is it likely beyond that point now? Strange Virus Explained: What this Virus does It apparently sets itself up in both windows\system32 and also in windows\sonfig Irt uses worpad (I suspect because wordpad can be saved as .XML, and the controlers use Windows Shell and RPC, remote procedure call, as well as API, wich I'm not sure what that is, but along with a lot of other things, it changes the registry, sets up user accounts, with high level authority, it creates virtual UPC buses, virtual wireless adapters, virtual network adapters, virtual monitors, even virtual processorsand takes control of your computer, making even the administrator have about as much authority on his own computer as a low level user would have, makes tons of network connections using Media Player, and lots of other things, and downloads tons more things onto your computer, and uploads tons of things to places unknown too. It sees when you're trying to disable it for intstance using mmc, an advanced feature in Windows Fire Wall, which has snap ins to create rules for incoming and outgoing connections, and it changes whatever rules you make without changing what the settings are on the console, and then makes the controls disappear, or not clickable meaning it has removed your level of access even when you sign on as an administrator (which being the sole user and owner of this computer I'm already an administrator, but due to the way Windows 7 makes you less than an admnistrator unitl you need to use the privilege, is the way it works) It uses BCD alot, I don't know if that's a program it downloaded or if that's Microsoft's software, but it stands I think for boot control device, and it alters the boot manager so that evereytime it boots, it gets loaded first, and also apparently alters the system BIOS to make it so that unless onboard BIOS legacy is enabled, it can't find the operating system and it won't boot..which also means that even now that the new Windows installation and a supposedly clean disk I probably STILL have it. I wiped the entire hard drive using a DOS program called Kill Disk..which makes one pass, and creates zeros on every byte on the partition you select, I did that to every partition It had first partition 100Mb, with no label or volume, then one 149Gb, with a W something 4 character string, then a dash - then 4 more characters (all numeric if I remember correctly. Then it had another partition, not labeled, it was something like 200,000 sectors big, but had no dataI'm thinking this is a virtual partition, and it was super hard to get rid of using DOS, DiskPartin fact due to my inexperience using that utility, I didn't remove it until I let Windows delete a partition upon set up. I think I'm wrong about some of the things but that's the best of my recollection right now. I had used a DOS util. called Isasld.and got a list of users and permissions assigned for everyone on the computer. But, I wasn't able to print it because the driver for the printer which I downloaded was intercepted by the virus and changed into something else, so when the window popped up to change my permissions to administrator, thinking I was downloading and installing a driver from DELL.it was something from HELL instead! Thanks so much everyone!! Gail Miller - Original Message - From: mike xha...@gmail.com To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 6:09 PM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] STRANGE VIRUS? AGAIN Not sure if Gail got run off or got busy. But, there are still a few who had questions that may have been lost in the maze of the thread that started this..so What exactly is the computer doing that you think it has a virus? I've seen bad hardware behave strangely, this may be the issue this time also. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] STRANGE VIRUS? AGAIN
OK Gail this machine got infected by a lot misdeeds. First stop, get an external CD/DVD and boot to the Windows CD. Wipe out all partitions, and if he needs to go to a Linux root disk (These are a couple of sites where he can get theses with a bunch of basic DOS tools on them- someone help me here I can see it but cant remember the name of it.) He needs to physically wipe out the partitions each and every one of them. What he is installing is installing onto a extended disk partition that does not get seen on boot up and gets taken over by a master boot partition. This is an insidious type of infection and many at this point pull the drive and get a new one and put it in. I would have to ask what he is getting into to get this type of infection. (I know parent mode) He needs to practice safe computering. Stewart At 11:12 AM 12/23/2009, you wrote: Hi ... Well I had to get my son to come over here and type out what actually happens with this virus because he didn't want to send it to me in an email. So, here's what he told me. Hope you can make out what it is that's going on --- and better yet -- what he might do to fix it. Worst case -- do you think Dell will take it back so we can start over or is it likely beyond that point now? Strange Virus Explained: What this Virus does It apparently sets itself up in both windows\system32 and also in windows\sonfig Irt uses worpad (I suspect because wordpad can be saved as .XML, and the controlers use Windows Shell and RPC, remote procedure call, as well as API, wich I'm not sure what that is, but along with a lot of other things, it changes the registry, sets up user accounts, with high level authority, it creates virtual UPC buses, virtual wireless adapters, virtual network adapters, virtual monitors, even virtual processorsand takes control of your computer, making even the administrator have about as much authority on his own computer as a low level user would have, makes tons of network connections using Media Player, and lots of other things, and downloads tons more things onto your computer, and uploads tons of things to places unknown too. It sees when you're trying to disable it for intstance using mmc, an advanced feature in Windows Fire Wall, which has snap ins to create rules for incoming and outgoing connections, and it changes whatever rules you make without changing what the settings are on the console, and then makes the controls disappear, or not clickable meaning it has removed your level of access even when you sign on as an administrator (which being the sole user and owner of this computer I'm already an administrator, but due to the way Windows 7 makes you less than an admnistrator unitl you need to use the privilege, is the way it works) It uses BCD alot, I don't know if that's a program it downloaded or if that's Microsoft's software, but it stands I think for boot control device, and it alters the boot manager so that evereytime it boots, it gets loaded first, and also apparently alters the system BIOS to make it so that unless onboard BIOS legacy is enabled, it can't find the operating system and it won't boot..which also means that even now that the new Windows installation and a supposedly clean disk I probably STILL have it. I wiped the entire hard drive using a DOS program called Kill Disk..which makes one pass, and creates zeros on every byte on the partition you select, I did that to every partition It had first partition 100Mb, with no label or volume, then one 149Gb, with a W something 4 character string, then a dash - then 4 more characters (all numeric if I remember correctly. Then it had another partition, not labeled, it was something like 200,000 sectors big, but had no dataI'm thinking this is a virtual partition, and it was super hard to get rid of using DOS, DiskPartin fact due to my inexperience using that utility, I didn't remove it until I let Windows delete a partition upon set up. I think I'm wrong about some of the things but that's the best of my recollection right now. I had used a DOS util. called Isasld.and got a list of users and permissions assigned for everyone on the computer. But, I wasn't able to print it because the driver for the printer which I downloaded was intercepted by the virus and changed into something else, so when the window popped up to change my permissions to administrator, thinking I was downloading and installing a driver from DELL.it was something from HELL instead! Thanks so much everyone!! Gail Miller - Original Message - From: mike xha...@gmail.com To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 6:09 PM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] STRANGE VIRUS? AGAIN Not sure if Gail got run off or got busy. But, there are still a few who had questions that may have been lost in the maze of the thread that started this..so What exactly is the
Re: [CGUYS] STRANGE VIRUS? AGAIN
There's no need to send it back; it's not a hardware problem. Now I forget - has he tried formatting the disk and reinstalling the OS? What disks, if any, did he get with the machine (or make himself)? It really doesn't sound like any virus I'm familiar with. I mean, creating partitions and changing users? That right away puts a user on notice that there's a problem - just what today's viruses try to avoid. makes tons of network connections using Media Player This may be the giveaway that it's not a virus per se, but rather malware that was invited in at some point. Which leads back to the bcd search results. Anyway, a format and OS reinstall is the thing to do. He may need to order disks from Dell if he doesn't have any. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] STRANGE VIRUS? AGAIN
Please elaborate. Is there a defect in the Win7 install routine? Linkage? On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 12:46 PM, Stewart Marshall revsamarsh...@earthlink.net wrote: A simple format and reinstall will not solve it. Yes it is malware, but he will never be able to wipe it out unless he totally resets the HD. The old utility Fdisk would really come in handy here. He has to wipe out all partitions, seen and unseen (that is why Fdisk) to get rid of this monster. Stewart At 11:37 AM 12/23/2009, you wrote: There's no need to send it back; it's not a hardware problem. Now I forget - has he tried formatting the disk and reinstalling the OS? What disks, if any, did he get with the machine (or make himself)? It really doesn't sound like any virus I'm familiar with. I mean, creating partitions and changing users? That right away puts a user on notice that there's a problem - just what today's viruses try to avoid. makes tons of network connections using Media Player This may be the giveaway that it's not a virus per se, but rather malware that was invited in at some point. Which leads back to the bcd search results. Anyway, a format and OS reinstall is the thing to do. He may need to order disks from Dell if he doesn't have any. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] STRANGE VIRUS? AGAIN
The idea is there is a block of HD space that's been taken over and a normal install isn't wiping it out. Although that /kill disk utility should have wiped it. I have no experience with this type of problem though so... On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 11:03 AM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: Please elaborate. Is there a defect in the Win7 install routine? Linkage? On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 12:46 PM, Stewart Marshall revsamarsh...@earthlink.net wrote: A simple format and reinstall will not solve it. Yes it is malware, but he will never be able to wipe it out unless he totally resets the HD. The old utility Fdisk would really come in handy here. He has to wipe out all partitions, seen and unseen (that is why Fdisk) to get rid of this monster. Stewart At 11:37 AM 12/23/2009, you wrote: There's no need to send it back; it's not a hardware problem. Now I forget - has he tried formatting the disk and reinstalling the OS? What disks, if any, did he get with the machine (or make himself)? It really doesn't sound like any virus I'm familiar with. I mean, creating partitions and changing users? That right away puts a user on notice that there's a problem - just what today's viruses try to avoid. makes tons of network connections using Media Player This may be the giveaway that it's not a virus per se, but rather malware that was invited in at some point. Which leads back to the bcd search results. Anyway, a format and OS reinstall is the thing to do. He may need to order disks from Dell if he doesn't have any. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] STRANGE VIRUS? AGAIN
The partitions that are causing problems are hidden. The normal Win7 DVD will not see it, the malware designed it this way. A normal Dell machine has a Hidden (EISA) partition for recovery purposes. You never see it unless you boot to the Dell recovery Disk. It runs the recovery operation off of this recovery portion. What this malware has done is install another partition (hidden) which happened when he rebooted the machine. It looked like it was doing its normal but the subroutine wrote another partition that will take over anything installed. (every time he has installed since it is on the shown partition which gets taken over immediately upon boot up.) I have seen it before and even did it to myself when I did a real stupid thing, so I know what is happening. If he boots to a DOS type of disk, and runs an Fdisk program he will see a few other partitions. it may be too late to save the Dell recovery partition, but if he had CDs/DVDs come with the machine he should be fine. Wipe them all out as any one of them could reinfect your machine by taking over any partition you create, because it will never be the main partition, but an extended partition on a logical disk running under this infected malware created partition. I am not sure if Win 7 even includes an Fdisk routine on it. The last ones to do this was I think WinME (which I am not sure even did.) Stewart At 12:03 PM 12/23/2009, you wrote: Please elaborate. Is there a defect in the Win7 install routine? Linkage? On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 12:46 PM, Stewart Marshall revsamarsh...@earthlink.net wrote: A simple format and reinstall will not solve it. Yes it is malware, but he will never be able to wipe it out unless he totally resets the HD. The old utility Fdisk would really come in handy here. He has to wipe out all partitions, seen and unseen (that is why Fdisk) to get rid of this monster. Stewart At 11:37 AM 12/23/2009, you wrote: There's no need to send it back; it's not a hardware problem. Now I forget - has he tried formatting the disk and reinstalling the OS? What disks, if any, did he get with the machine (or make himself)? It really doesn't sound like any virus I'm familiar with. I mean, creating partitions and changing users? That right away puts a user on notice that there's a problem - just what today's viruses try to avoid. makes tons of network connections using Media Player This may be the giveaway that it's not a virus per se, but rather malware that was invited in at some point. Which leads back to the bcd search results. Anyway, a format and OS reinstall is the thing to do. He may need to order disks from Dell if he doesn't have any. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Docks and information Re: [CGUYS] Dock placement: [Was: Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation]
Or they might just stick with their home screen like they have stuck with OSX's surprisingly limited functionality finder/dock system for such a long time ... Like Apple computers there is more to the iPhone then their Home screen. The collective good will make particular weaknesses bearable for most. But it begs the question ... why not fix the weaknesses? ... which is where this string started. db mike wrote: I found it annoying to hide the dock myself, although I found it worked just fine at the bottom. I always made it as small as I could and still see it and let it grow rather large when I wanted it. It's interesting to note about showing you information in the dock, this is one of the complaints on the iphone that you have to open an app to find out just about anything. On Androids home screen you can find out weather, the content of a new sms, an IM, stock quotes, full calender etc Almost everything can be found out from the home screen of an android phone without opening any apps...I'm anxious to see where Apple takes the iPhone OS since it's first iteration was so simple and groundbreaking. Will they [ever] overhaul it and bring more functionality to the home screen? If it was MS I'd say they are just going to copy someone who does it better...but being Apple they might look at the better on Android and scratch it and go some other direction that just ups the ante. On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 8:00 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Dec 22, 2009, at 11:29 AM, Allen Firstenberg wrote: When I first started using OSX, I tried moving the dock around and trying different hide settings and never quite liked it. Lots of my windows put stuff on the left, and having the dock there would cover it. Setting it to auto hide would have it slow to return when I did want it. I suspect that hiding the Dock may be the reason some hate the Dock. It does not work as well when hidden. On my screen the dock is just 1/2 inch wide and holds 46 icons. I don't see any problem with giving up that space. I slide all the program windows over by that half inch and most apps remember that position. The dock is not just a program launcher, but also provides information about the state of the computer. The iCal icon even changes to show me the date. When I want to email a file I drag it into the Mail icon. To edit a file I drag it into the icon of the app I want to use, which will vary with what I'm doing. Hiding the Dock would deprive me of much functionality and slow me down. I would first have to drag a file to the edge to display the Dock, then scan for the app's icon, and then make another trip to the icon's location. With the Dock always visible I can scan for the icon at the same time as I drag the file over to the Dock. It is one seamless motion. Very fast. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Docks and information Re: [CGUYS] Dock placement: [Was: Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation]
Well Apple is not a democracy, which is it's greatest strength and weakness. It comes down to the single vision of one man and sometimes that will have a bad effect, luckily for Apple it usually has a very good effect, but does make change hard if weaknesses are found and Jobs doesn't see them as weaknesses. The original iPhone far out paced any competitor on the market for a couple years and now with android coming in with similiar interfaces, building on the good and getting rid of some of the weaknesses, Apple has some competition to look at. A huge factor for most people I know would be if Apple allowed multitasking, that would be huge, it's clear from windows phones and android phones it's not a battery issue, so we shall see if Apple addresses this. The iPhone has largely remained unchanged since it came out, with it's strong app base this may not matter to some or most users, time will tell. On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 12:03 PM, db db...@att.net wrote: Or they might just stick with their home screen like they have stuck with OSX's surprisingly limited functionality finder/dock system for such a long time ... Like Apple computers there is more to the iPhone then their Home screen. The collective good will make particular weaknesses bearable for most. But it begs the question ... why not fix the weaknesses? ... which is where this string started. db mike wrote: I found it annoying to hide the dock myself, although I found it worked just fine at the bottom. I always made it as small as I could and still see it and let it grow rather large when I wanted it. It's interesting to note about showing you information in the dock, this is one of the complaints on the iphone that you have to open an app to find out just about anything. On Androids home screen you can find out weather, the content of a new sms, an IM, stock quotes, full calender etc Almost everything can be found out from the home screen of an android phone without opening any apps...I'm anxious to see where Apple takes the iPhone OS since it's first iteration was so simple and groundbreaking. Will they [ever] overhaul it and bring more functionality to the home screen? If it was MS I'd say they are just going to copy someone who does it better...but being Apple they might look at the better on Android and scratch it and go some other direction that just ups the ante. On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 8:00 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Dec 22, 2009, at 11:29 AM, Allen Firstenberg wrote: When I first started using OSX, I tried moving the dock around and trying different hide settings and never quite liked it. Lots of my windows put stuff on the left, and having the dock there would cover it. Setting it to auto hide would have it slow to return when I did want it. I suspect that hiding the Dock may be the reason some hate the Dock. It does not work as well when hidden. On my screen the dock is just 1/2 inch wide and holds 46 icons. I don't see any problem with giving up that space. I slide all the program windows over by that half inch and most apps remember that position. The dock is not just a program launcher, but also provides information about the state of the computer. The iCal icon even changes to show me the date. When I want to email a file I drag it into the Mail icon. To edit a file I drag it into the icon of the app I want to use, which will vary with what I'm doing. Hiding the Dock would deprive me of much functionality and slow me down. I would first have to drag a file to the edge to display the Dock, then scan for the app's icon, and then make another trip to the icon's location. With the Dock always visible I can scan for the icon at the same time as I drag the file over to the Dock. It is one seamless motion. Very fast. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ **
Re: [CGUYS] AAAHH, the old days
I got to work on the original 128K MacIntosh under System 1. My favorite app was the font editor. On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 11:58 AM, Stewart Marshall revsamarsh...@earthlink.net wrote: Ridiculous isn't it what we spent in those days. My dad got his ATT 6300 through work (ATT) Nice thing about it was the integrated graphics and monitor it came with. I kept that computer for a long time. Eventually upgraded to a 486SX. Then started building all of my own. Stewart At 10:40 AM 12/23/2009, you wrote: My wife was working for a company that had ported its database to the IBM PC. So we got a loan from the credit union and bought a PC for $5,000. It had: - 10 MB HD (but we saved money by adding one to a PC, not by buying an XT) - 640K of RAM (maxed out, and more than $1000 of the price was bumping it up from 64(128?) K) - Ergonomically superior orange on black monitor with Hercules graphics card to do graphics, like pie charts and such. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] AAAHH, the old days
At work, we had a nice lab. An Apple Lisa (got the Mac when it came out later), Amiga (already did graphics and true pre-emptive multitasking), then one of the first IBM PCs. I don't know how much that cost, but it had *two* cases. A *huge* cable connected the two, and there was an additional hard disk in the second one. On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 3:54 PM, John Duncan Yoyo johnduncany...@gmail.comwrote: I got to work on the original 128K MacIntosh under System 1. My favorite app was the font editor. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Upgrade Plan was Mac OS upgrade
Took a hosing on the two copies of 10.4 full I bought off ebay. (As predicted by Roger) Got my money back though, only cost was the aggravation + $2.07 return shipping. Bought a legal copy of 10.56 from Apple Phone Sales (Thanks for the tip, Betty) and will do a Clean install on a new hard drive. MY PLAN Install the New Drive in My G5 PM 1.8 dual /512MB partition the 320 GB Sata into two large and 1- 50 GB partition. COPY my Photos, Docs, Email Addys and Bkmks etc. to the small Partition. Clean Install 10.56 on the 1st large partition, and update to 10.58. Install Firefox, NeoOffice, Toast, PS Elements 3.0 (?), camera, scanner printer drvrs. Copy my old 10.39 OS to the 2nd. large partition. Remove the 5 yr. old drive and store it for back up. Hopefully if this all goes well, I'll be able to dual boot between 10.39 and 10.58 until I have full functionality on Leopard. I heard 10.5 no longer supports iphoto, anyone see other problem spots? Suggestions / Comments welcome. TIA, John * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] AAAHH, the old days
one of the first IBM PCs. I don't know how much that cost, but it had *two* cases. A *huge* cable connected the two, and there was an additional hard disk in the second one. That was an expansion box. It had additional slots and a second HD. Not part of the PC, purchased separately. The cable was so fat because it had to carry a bazillion signals. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
