Re: [CGUYS] win7 to phone home - comments?
Maybe that was the purpose of the patch? Fred Holmes At 12:53 AM 2/21/2010, John Duncan Yoyo wrote: Word is that this patch may have unmasked a rootkit that casued the BSOD. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2450052/posts -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Creepy or what?
On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 1:18 AM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote: On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 9:21 PM, John Duncan Yoyo johnduncany...@gmail.com wrote: What it isn't correct that the district was CLAIMING that it was using the camera for? I think not. Well, yeah, the school said that the only intended purpose for any remote viewing was to help them retrieve stolen or lost laptops, but that was not what they were doing. Yep, but I thought I'd give them the benefit of the doubt. Besides it is hard to believe that is what they were doing. The video of the teacher using the camera in another school to monitor students from the techdirt link is more what I think is going on. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Creepy or what?
To be blunt it doesn't matter what you think is going on, it matters what happened. And that was spying on minors in their own homes. On Feb 21, 2010 8:27 AM, John Duncan Yoyo johnduncany...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 1:18 AM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 9:21 PM, John Duncan Yoyo johnduncany...@gmail.com wrote:What ... Yep, but I thought I'd give them the benefit of the doubt. Besides it is hard to believe that is what they were doing. The video of the teacher using the camera in another school to monitor students from the techdirt link is more what I think is going on. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscript... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Creepy or what?
On Feb 21, 2010, at 1:18 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: Well, yeah, the school said that the only intended purpose for any remote viewing was to help them retrieve stolen or lost laptops, but that was not what they were doing. So if you get your computer stolen and attempt to recover it by using its camera and GPS you will be sued by the crook for invading their privacy? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Password Keeper == Login King -- thoughts?
On Feb 20, 2010, at 10:28 PM, Fred Holmes wrote: One bank uses a pictogram -- picture. After entering only your username, a different/succeeding page loads that shows a picture and queries your password. This picture is individual for each customer. You get to pick it out of a huge library of pictures when you sign up for an on-line banking account. If the proper picture doesn't show, then the user concludes that the site has been hijacked and the page is invalid. Therefore the user does not enter his password and the thief page doesn't capture his password. If your bank does not do something like this to assure you that you that you are indeed connected to the bank, you should find a different bank. This is a simple and highly effective way to protect customers. If they can't manage something this simple, who knows what else they have failed to do correctly. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Password Keeper == Login King -- thoughts?
On Feb 20, 2010, at 8:44 PM, Tony B wrote: I have it set so our staff (myself included) has to change passwords every few months. And I always use strong passwords. I can't even remember my gmail password, and I routinely need that when logging in from my laptop from the road. This is a fine example of security theatre. Study after study shows that this practice makes systems less secure, yet bloviated IT managers continue to insist on it. I think the attraction is the kick they get out of making people do useless and annoying things. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability
The Interstate Highway System is pegged at $425 billion in 2006 dollars. So you are saying the unrolling fiber costs almost as much as building a 6 lane national highway system? Basically yes. If you want a chicken in every pot. Every local switch and tandem switch has to be equipped. Every mile has to be rebuilt. If you want to touch every hutch and demesne in the land. It might be twice my estimate. Have a good day. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability
On Feb 20, 2010, at 10:47 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: So what are you talking about? They favor fantasy over facts. I think you are wasting your time trying to deprogram them. They heads are filled with slogans that they cling to vigorously. If you point out how their fantasies brought the country to the brink of ruin they will insist that their freaky ideas were not followed forcefully enough. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Creepy or what?
On 2/21/2010 12:41 PM, tjpa wrote: On Feb 21, 2010, at 1:18 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: Well, yeah, the school said that the only intended purpose for any remote viewing was to help them retrieve stolen or lost laptops, but that was not what they were doing. So if you get your computer stolen and attempt to recover it by using its camera and GPS you will be sued by the crook for invading their privacy? Only if you are a governmental entity without a warrant. -- Sous le ciel tout étoilé John Settle Personal Webpage: Urban Astro Images http://home.comcast.net/%7Ejjs-cts/ * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability
At 10:25 PM 2/20/2010, Chris Dunford wrote: They will *try* to sell you fiber optic phone service. You don't have to take it. I have FiOS broadband (which I love) and copper phone service. Where are you located? Who is your POTS supplier? I'm in Annandale, VA, and Verizon is my POTS supplier. Cox cable came to my 1950's subdivision two miles from Annandale center in the early 1980's. Verizon has just in the last few months put FIOS in the neighborhood -- they started last fall and are presumably finished, but may just have suspended fiber installation operations for the winter. It's a nominal middle class suburban Washington neighborhood. Full of 50 x 25 ft ranch houses with full basements that have been built out over the years. Some of the houses are smaller, 40 x 25 ft or even 30 x 25 ft, but most are 50 ft wide. Cox Cable now gives me 20 mbit/sec service, which is mostly server limited, not local network limited. What do you get from FiOS, where? I think the real difference is the Cox vs. Verizon corporate culture, not whether the medium is coax or FiOS. I suspect that coax is now obsolete, except perhaps for the house drop, and all new installations will use glass fiber, not coax. I suspect that some parts of Cox Communications' local network is already fiber. Cox doesn't block any service that I actually use, and I haven't tried to find out what the total blocking list is. Will Verizon block my Skype, Magic Jack, or other independent VOIP that I install? Other bandwidth-limiting practice? Fred Holmes * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] This is worth a look
http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Our-National-Broadband-Plan-Is-A-Bland-Boring-Mess-106979 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Creepy or what?
On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 10:33 AM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: To be blunt it doesn't matter what you think is going on, it matters what happened. And that was spying on minors in their own homes. It was bloody stupid to do and they should feel the full force of the law but the intent could have seemed justifiable if they were sold on this system even if the result isn't. It may be systemic if the video at http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/digitalnation/learning/schools/how-google-saved-a-school.html was used as a model by other schools. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] This is worth a look
On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 2:19 PM, Eric S. Sande esa...@verizon.net wrote: http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Our-National-Broadband-Plan-Is-A-Bland-Boring-Mess-106979 So, what do we have here? Yet more evidence that not only are our governmental agencies and agency heads only interested in their own political and/or financial agendas, but the industry is sticking to that same tired old course as well? We seem doomed unless we can get a benevolent dictator. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Creepy or what?
On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 2:27 PM, John Duncan Yoyo johnduncany...@gmail.com wrote: It was bloody stupid to do and they should feel the full force of the law but the intent could have seemed justifiable if they were sold on this system even if the result isn't. It may be systemic if the video at http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/digitalnation/learning/schools/how-google-saved-a-school.html was used as a model by other schools. I see that Macintosh computers were the only brand involved in any of these instances, at least as far as any of these reports that have been discussed here. Is Apple in any way involved in this? By that I mean is Apple complicit in the installation of any code that is specifically designed to allow for these school systems to do this spying? Are these computers being shipped from Apple with special code already installed that is not present in their laptops intended for normal retail sale? Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Creepy or what?
This entire incident is not an accident. It was thought out, planned and executed from start to finish. It is not possible someone by pure accident connected to a students system and then decided on a whim to keep watching and then report him for drugs (candy), call him into the office and try to punish him. I would not be surprised if child porn figured into this case at some point. On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 12:54 PM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote: On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 2:27 PM, John Duncan Yoyo johnduncany...@gmail.com wrote: It was bloody stupid to do and they should feel the full force of the law but the intent could have seemed justifiable if they were sold on this system even if the result isn't. It may be systemic if the video at http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/digitalnation/learning/schools/how-google-saved-a-school.html was used as a model by other schools. I see that Macintosh computers were the only brand involved in any of these instances, at least as far as any of these reports that have been discussed here. Is Apple in any way involved in this? By that I mean is Apple complicit in the installation of any code that is specifically designed to allow for these school systems to do this spying? Are these computers being shipped from Apple with special code already installed that is not present in their laptops intended for normal retail sale? Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] This is worth a look
I'll take my sad sack DSL over that choice. On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 12:43 PM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote: On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 2:19 PM, Eric S. Sande esa...@verizon.net wrote: http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Our-National-Broadband-Plan-Is-A-Bland-Boring-Mess-106979 So, what do we have here? Yet more evidence that not only are our governmental agencies and agency heads only interested in their own political and/or financial agendas, but the industry is sticking to that same tired old course as well? We seem doomed unless we can get a benevolent dictator. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability
It's funny how both sides end up talking about each other the same way, I suppose ideologues are more similar even when they perceive themselves to be on opposite sides. As long as we have guys like Tom to continue the game for the politicians, they'll love us. On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 11:13 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Feb 20, 2010, at 10:47 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: So what are you talking about? They favor fantasy over facts. I think you are wasting your time trying to deprogram them. They heads are filled with slogans that they cling to vigorously. If you point out how their fantasies brought the country to the brink of ruin they will insist that their freaky ideas were not followed forcefully enough. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Creepy or what?
At 09:41 AM 2/21/2010, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Feb 21, 2010, at 1:18 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: Well, yeah, the school said that the only intended purpose for any remote viewing was to help them retrieve stolen or lost laptops, but that was not what they were doing. So if you get your computer stolen and attempt to recover it by using its camera and GPS you will be sued by the crook for invading their privacy? Suing is one thing. Winning the suit is often quite another. The crook in this paradigm, Your Tomness, has to establish that he/she has a reasonable, and actionable, expectation of privacy in the personal property (the laptop) of another, which property he/she stole. What reasonable and actionable expectation of privacy does a car thief have in a car he/she stole, where the stolen car has an OnStar-activated camera? [Also, and I know this isn't exactly on point, but, in the real world, it's just that much more difficult for your criminal defendant here to become a civil plaintiff while he/she has a long-term lease on the Honeymoon Suite at the Graybar Hotel]. One other thing: Some States (Virginia, notably) do not have, or recognize, a common-law right of privacy. If (in such a State) there is no statute granting the thief a right of privacy in the property he/she stole, then the thief is entirely out of luck in that department. I guess that means there IS a God. Here's another article which describes the FBI's interest in this case: http://www.pottstownmercury.com/articles/2010/02/20/news/srv007652029.txt Bob I'm on the case, from outer space! OK End * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2701 - Release Date: 02/21/10 07:34:00 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Anybody else find all tom's post in gMail spam?
I just found the last couple of days worth of Tom's posts in the gMail Spam folder. Both the tjpa and the t.piowar email addresses were there. I thought Tom was being unusually quiet. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Anybody else find all tom's post in gMail spam?
nope... On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 2:22 PM, John Duncan Yoyo johnduncany...@gmail.comwrote: I just found the last couple of days worth of Tom's posts in the gMail Spam folder. Both the tjpa and the t.piowar email addresses were there. I thought Tom was being unusually quiet. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Anybody else find all tom's post in gMail spam?
No. Are you sure you didn't mark one as spam at some point? On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 4:22 PM, John Duncan Yoyo johnduncany...@gmail.comwrote: I just found the last couple of days worth of Tom's posts in the gMail Spam folder. Both the tjpa and the t.piowar email addresses were there. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability
Quoting Eric S. Sande esa...@verizon.net: The Interstate Highway System is pegged at $425 billion in 2006 dollars. So you are saying the unrolling fiber costs almost as much as building a 6 lane national highway system? Basically yes. If you want a chicken in every pot. Every local switch and tandem switch has to be equipped. Every mile has to be rebuilt. It might be twice my estimate. Or even 6 times as much. After you get done, and the cable companies run their system, then Google comes in behind all of you to run theirs. I don't understand why everybody needs to roll their own fiber. I don't have three sets of power lines coming to my house. Why can't the information providers get together and run one system that they can all share at a fair price? *Before* the Feds regulate that you have to. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] System Mechanic
Some time ago a list member said they liked System Mechanic for cleaning up their machine and making it start and run faster. I do not like it for these reasons: It cannot understand notepad++ and comes up with many false errors related to the program. Lots and lots of registry errors show up, many of which involve files containing ioio, the people who make System Mechanic. The program does not clean up a HP program that runs in the background and calls home once in a while. I only want the driver to run but the other program starts with the OS. No rootkit removal. Nothing about malware. Directions say to remove this version before loading a newer version but that operation is not included under options. The machine still takes too long to boot even though it is a 3gh machine only 2 years old. Be at Peace. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Anybody else find all tom's post in gMail spam?
Not intentionally. I was wondering if it was seeding off of someone else's Spam marking. On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 10:44 PM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: No. Are you sure you didn't mark one as spam at some point? On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 4:22 PM, John Duncan Yoyo johnduncany...@gmail.comwrote: I just found the last couple of days worth of Tom's posts in the gMail Spam folder. Both the tjpa and the t.piowar email addresses were there. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Anybody else find all tom's post in gMail spam?
Or it actually read the contents of the post. :-) Stewart At 10:30 PM 2/21/2010, you wrote: Not intentionally. I was wondering if it was seeding off of someone else's Spam marking. On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 10:44 PM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: No. Are you sure you didn't mark one as spam at some point? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability
Rules regulations ability to transmit stuff. We have a new cable provider coming into town. They have to run a whole new set of lines to serve everyone. Not only that but on some poles they are already at capacity to carry wires so they will have to put up poles in some places. When I lived in Canada they had two sets of poles one in front one in back. The other place I lived had underground wiring so never saw a pole. Stewart At 10:16 PM 2/21/2010, you wrote: Or even 6 times as much. After you get done, and the cable companies run their system, then Google comes in behind all of you to run theirs. I don't understand why everybody needs to roll their own fiber. I don't have three sets of power lines coming to my house. Why can't the information providers get together and run one system that they can all share at a fair price? *Before* the Feds regulate that you have to. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability
Basically yes. If you want a chicken in every pot. Every local switch and tandem switch has to be equipped. Every mile has to be rebuilt. It might be twice my estimate. Or even 6 times as much. After you get done, and the cable companies run their system, then Google comes in behind all of you to run theirs. I don't understand why everybody needs to roll their own fiber. I don't have three sets of power lines coming to my house. Why can't the information providers get together and run one system that they can all share at a fair price? *Before* the Feds regulate that you have to. Sure makes a lot of sense. That's the way they do it in some other countries where service is much cheaper than it is here. Both broadband and mobile service networks can be shared by multiple companies. Electric companies already share networks. Why can't they get together? Why can't they share? Because the Feds didn't regulate that they have to, so they don't. Because even though it will be cheaper in the long run, it's more complicated to cooperate than to go it alone. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
