Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability
Exactly, Betty. Why can't they get together? We have propensity to deploy, with faux-entrepreneurial ideal, the same multiple-gauge railroads that bedeviled 19th century US commercial activity; that is our model, until it no longer can be driven forward. We have what? 4, or is it 5 wireless systems here? Each requiring its own tortured buildout (see Mr Sande's bill of particulars). Imagine putting all of that investment into one system. Oh, it's not hard, after all: the rest of the world is GSM, to enormous economic benefit to business and consumers, a commercial leg up the rest of the world now has on us. We don't do multiple voltages, we standardise time (except in Indiana), so why dig up our streets for each new fantasy of telcom autonomy? Well, the highway lobby isn't complaining.. --- On Mon, 2/22/10, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: From: b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es Subject: Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 12:58 AM Basically yes. If you want a chicken in every pot. Every local switch and tandem switch has to be equipped. Every mile has to be rebuilt. It might be twice my estimate. Or even 6 times as much. After you get done, and the cable companies run their system, then Google comes in behind all of you to run theirs. I don't understand why everybody needs to roll their own fiber. I don't have three sets of power lines coming to my house. Why can't the information providers get together and run one system that they can all share at a fair price? *Before* the Feds regulate that you have to. Sure makes a lot of sense. That's the way they do it in some other countries where service is much cheaper than it is here. Both broadband and mobile service networks can be shared by multiple companies. Electric companies already share networks. Why can't they get together? Why can't they share? Because the Feds didn't regulate that they have to, so they don't. Because even though it will be cheaper in the long run, it's more complicated to cooperate than to go it alone. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Creepy or what?
On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 4:56 PM, Robert Michael Abrams bath...@cwo.com wrote: I was sort of waiting for this very thing to come up, here. I'm also on 2400 Fulton, the Jefferson Airplane list, and this case is there being much and hotly discussed. Here is what a spokesman, a Mr. Young of the Lower Merion School District had to say about this: Young declined to directly say whether the program was activated in this instance to locate a missing laptop. He said the district only activates it when there is a reported missing laptop, and urged Threat Level to draw its own inferences.” I think that the key words here are reported missing. The school district says that the surveillance system is only used if a laptop were to be reported as lost, stolen or missing. So, what is the difference between a computer that is lost or one that is missing? Not much, really, if any, so why the apparent differentiation? Additionally, what party reports a computer as being missing, the student or the computer security team that the school employs? It is possible that the school system wirelessly polls computers that have been distributed, perhaps randomly, and if contact with a given computer cannot be made, then that computer is regarded as being missing.After all, the term missing may not necessarily refer to a physical inability to locate the computer, but rather to an inability of the school system to be able to make electronic contact with it. Polling then continues until contact can be made, and the school system will then verify contact by activating the camera or otherwise remotely accessing the computer in order to see what the computer is doing. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability
Quoting Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net: Rules regulations ability to transmit stuff. We have a new cable provider coming into town. They have to run a whole new set of lines to serve everyone. Seems like an awful waste of effort, money, and resources. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability
chad evans wyatt escribió: Exactly, Betty. Why can't they get together? We have propensity to deploy, with faux-entrepreneurial ideal, the same multiple-gauge railroads that bedeviled 19th century US commercial activity; that is our model, until it no longer can be driven forward. We have what? 4, or is it 5 wireless systems here? Each requiring its own tortured buildout (see Mr Sande's bill of particulars). Imagine putting all of that investment into one system. Oh, it's not hard, after all: the rest of the world is GSM, I heard yesterday that the new commuter rail lines in the Baltimore [Red line light rail] - Washington [Purple line heavy rail] area use different technology for trains but the same kind of rails, which could make change in the style of transport less difficult. Most of the world is exclusively GSM, with some CDMA holdouts in eastern Europe, east Asia, Africa, some Latin America, [only 500 million CDMA users worldwide vs over 2.5 billion with GSM]. There are multiple technology phones for those who use both networks. Most GSM smart[-er] phones also use the newer WCDMA/UMTS for data. Without using the same telephone lines, MCI-WorldCom wouldn't have been able to slam us--twice. However without using the same infrastucture we wouldn't be able to switch services quickly either. The problem with the lonely corporate business plan is that each company blindly does its own network without considering existing [but competing] infrastructure or the economy of shared networks. What a lonely way to waste both companies' and customers' money. Does it really make any sense at all for there to be several mostly identical broadband networks anywhere when all that's needed is one good one? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Creepy or what?
This says every laptop comes with a remote control. None of mine have. And I have a 17 Macbook Pro with the intel chip set. Not new as of in the last year, but new enough to be an Intel core 2 duel processor model. My iMac didn't come with one either. The last Mac I had that had inferred remote capabilities was a 6400. And while that had the capability, it didn't come with a remote. I found out it's capabilities on accident when playing with a universal TV remote. And on a completely different subject, has anyone had any luck with a scanner on OS X? I have 3 and they all give me problems. 2 of them are all in one devices. Everything works fine, except the scanner. I can get it to work a few times then it craps out. By that I mean it won't recognize the scanner, or the scanner won't recognize the computer. After sever restarts and reinstalls of the scanner software it works again for a couple of times and the problems start all over again. I have an HP all in one laser printer/scanner/copier. I have an Agfa Snapscan 1212 and an HP inkjet all in one. Everything on the all in ones work great, except the scanner. The Agfa scanner powers up when I restart the computer, but doesn't seem to see it. All very frustrating. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Feb 20, 2010, at 12:45 PM, tjpa wrote: On Feb 20, 2010, at 2:11 PM, Jeff Miles wrote: What in the Apple OS allows for this? http://slappingturtle.com/home/index.php?option=com_contenttask=blogcategoryid=14Itemid=58 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability
Where do you get these figures? One thing that bothers me about people who complain about the cost of certain projects, not pointing fingers here, is these projects are job creators. I agree with the bailout of GM due to the number of jobs that would have been lost outside the factory and who don't work for GM directly. So, is a million dollars a mile taking into consideration of everyone and anyone even semi related to the projects? By that I mean lunch for the contractors, portapotties (sp), cost of electricity if they work at night and power those huge lights? If a million dollars a mile is correct, it's time for some major jail time for some. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Feb 20, 2010, at 1:14 PM, Stewart Marshall wrote: The Interstate Highway system would cost a hell of a lot more than nowadays. The typical cost of a mile of road right now (state level) is pegged at 1 million a mile. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability
Does it really make any sense at all for there to be several mostly identical broadband networks anywhere when all that's needed is one good one? Well, typically and ILEC (incumbent local exchange carrier, e, g. ATT, Qwest, VZ, Frontier, Alltel, CenturyLink, etc.) is only going to build out in its own footprint. That would be areas where the ILEC all ready owns the switched landline network (and the mostly fiber interswitch network). You only see duplication in the case of cable, which overlays everyone's territory, but that's a mostly copper coax network that uses a different service delivery model. There are differences in how individual ILECS implement the fiber distribution network. ATT Uverse is based on a FTTC (fiber to the curb) model, which distributes the fiber to curb-level nodes, which then use existing copper lines for the final mile to the home or business. VZ uses a FTTP (fiber to the premise) model, which requires an individual ONT (optical network terminal) at each served location. This is more expensive initially, but offers greater bandwidth. I'm not sure what Qwest's delivery model is. Anyway, there's little duplication for a given terrritory, except in the case of faciities based CLECs (competitive local exchange carriers). These can be colocators, i. e. they lease CO floor space in an ILEC's CO, but own their own switches and fiber. In that case there is duplication, but not to a significant extent. Or, they can have their own POP (point of presence) in a wholly owned or leased structure separate from the ILEC. When Southwestern Bell bought ATT (and promptly renamed itself ATT) the ATT long distance POPs were all ready colocated in SW Bell COs. When VZ bought MCI, the MCI long distance. POPs were largely in separate structures, due to the historical nature of the Bell System. When VZ bought GTE (GTE was never part of the Bell System), we also bought their ILEC territories. No duplication in most cases. It's a bit more complicated than that when you parse it down to the individual acquistion/resale level, and trust me you don't want me to discuss the leasing let alone the wireless situation. But the net result across the USA has been a fairly low level of network duplication. In sum, the Bell System has been reintegrating since divestiture. If this is clear at all, please let me know. Even I find it hard to keep track of who's on first :-). * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability
Totally agree here. I'm an Obama supporter with one exception. Let's just give the Russians and Chinese the moon. And while we're at it, Mars and the rest of the solar system. It seems like Russia is getting the last laugh when it comes to the space race. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Feb 20, 2010, at 7:26 PM, Eric S. Sande wrote: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/23/Tranquility-node3.JPG NASA is learning the ropes ...they just installed an observation deck ...stargazing platform for well heeled space tourists?? Not exactly. It was in the plans from the beginning. The cupola is the part covered by the white shroud in this pic. It allows the astronauts (or cosmonauts) an observation point to directly visualize remote operations without EVA. Too bad we got too distracted with political BS to keep rolling on this project. Now we have only built the Russians a very nice spaceport and will shortly be relying on their taxi service to get to it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] scanner in OSX
Which OSX are you referring to? In Leopard and Snow Leopard you use the native OSX Image Capture program to utilize your scanners features. My HP 7310 works just fine once I made the adjustment to using Image Capture. Jim On Feb 22, 2010, at 2:05 PM, Jeff Miles wrote: This says every laptop comes with a remote control. None of mine have. And I have a 17 Macbook Pro with the intel chip set. Not new as of in the last year, but new enough to be an Intel core 2 duel processor model. My iMac didn't come with one either. The last Mac I had that had inferred remote capabilities was a 6400. And while that had the capability, it didn't come with a remote. I found out it's capabilities on accident when playing with a universal TV remote. And on a completely different subject, has anyone had any luck with a scanner on OS X? I have 3 and they all give me problems. 2 of them are all in one devices. Everything works fine, except the scanner. I can get it to work a few times then it craps out. By that I mean it won't recognize the scanner, or the scanner won't recognize the computer. After sever restarts and reinstalls of the scanner software it works again for a couple of times and the problems start all over again. I have an HP all in one laser printer/scanner/copier. I have an Agfa Snapscan 1212 and an HP inkjet all in one. Everything on the all in ones work great, except the scanner. The Agfa scanner powers up when I restart the computer, but doesn't seem to see it. All very frustrating. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Feb 20, 2010, at 12:45 PM, tjpa wrote: On Feb 20, 2010, at 2:11 PM, Jeff Miles wrote: What in the Apple OS allows for this? http://slappingturtle.com/home/index.php?option=com_contenttask=blogcategoryid=14Itemid=58 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability
QED --- On Mon, 2/22/10, Eric S. Sande esa...@verizon.net wrote: From: Eric S. Sande esa...@verizon.net Subject: Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@listserv.aol.com Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 3:19 PM Does it really make any sense at all for there to be several mostly identical broadband networks anywhere when all that's needed is one good one? Well, typically and ILEC (incumbent local exchange carrier, e, g. ATT, Qwest, VZ, Frontier, Alltel, CenturyLink, etc.) is only going to build out in its own footprint. That would be areas where the ILEC all ready owns the switched landline network (and the mostly fiber interswitch network). You only see duplication in the case of cable, which overlays everyone's territory, but that's a mostly copper coax network that uses a different service delivery model. There are differences in how individual ILECS implement the fiber distribution network. ATT Uverse is based on a FTTC (fiber to the curb) model, which distributes the fiber to curb-level nodes, which then use existing copper lines for the final mile to the home or business. VZ uses a FTTP (fiber to the premise) model, which requires an individual ONT (optical network terminal) at each served location. This is more expensive initially, but offers greater bandwidth. I'm not sure what Qwest's delivery model is. Anyway, there's little duplication for a given terrritory, except in the case of faciities based CLECs (competitive local exchange carriers). These can be colocators, i. e. they lease CO floor space in an ILEC's CO, but own their own switches and fiber. In that case there is duplication, but not to a significant extent. Or, they can have their own POP (point of presence) in a wholly owned or leased structure separate from the ILEC. When Southwestern Bell bought ATT (and promptly renamed itself ATT) the ATT long distance POPs were all ready colocated in SW Bell COs. When VZ bought MCI, the MCI long distance. POPs were largely in separate structures, due to the historical nature of the Bell System. When VZ bought GTE (GTE was never part of the Bell System), we also bought their ILEC territories. No duplication in most cases. It's a bit more complicated than that when you parse it down to the individual acquistion/resale level, and trust me you don't want me to discuss the leasing let alone the wireless situation. But the net result across the USA has been a fairly low level of network duplication. In sum, the Bell System has been reintegrating since divestiture. If this is clear at all, please let me know. Even I find it hard to keep track of who's on first :-). * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Creepy or what?
I have an Epson free standing scanner that I got maybe 7 years ago that I've never had trouble with. I've never bought an all-in-one. The Epson software can be really slow and cumbersome. I actually find it a lot easier to take pictures of documents with my camera. But I'm just being lazy, using a tool that I know well instead of spending the time figuring out how to make the scanner simple to use. Jordan Jeff Miles wrote: This says every laptop comes with a remote control. None of mine have. And I have a 17 Macbook Pro with the intel chip set. Not new as of in the last year, but new enough to be an Intel core 2 duel processor model. My iMac didn't come with one either. The last Mac I had that had inferred remote capabilities was a 6400. And while that had the capability, it didn't come with a remote. I found out it's capabilities on accident when playing with a universal TV remote. And on a completely different subject, has anyone had any luck with a scanner on OS X? I have 3 and they all give me problems. 2 of them are all in one devices. Everything works fine, except the scanner. I can get it to work a few times then it craps out. By that I mean it won't recognize the scanner, or the scanner won't recognize the computer. After sever restarts and reinstalls of the scanner software it works again for a couple of times and the problems start all over again. I have an HP all in one laser printer/scanner/copier. I have an Agfa Snapscan 1212 and an HP inkjet all in one. Everything on the all in ones work great, except the scanner. The Agfa scanner powers up when I restart the computer, but doesn't seem to see it. All very frustrating. Jeff Miles Which OSX are you referring to? In Leopard and Snow Leopard you use the native OSX Image Capture program to utilize your scanners features. My HP 7310 works just fine once I made the adjustment to using Image Capture. Jim Using Image Capture? Sounds like an interesting way to use a scanner. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] This is worth a look
We seem doomed unless we can get a benevolent dictator. Be careful what you wish for. I know what I'd do. But it would be likely to piss off a lot of really powerful people and antagonize a lot more. I'd nationalize telecom and reconstitute the Bell System. Then I'd mandate standards across the board for 100 mbps for everyone regardless of where they are in the USA. Top managers would get 10x the top union wage, no more. And everybody in the system would get lifetime job guarantees and healthcare. We'd call it the Civilian Communications Corps. We'd mandate that it could only make a 5% ROI and that it would pay a guaranteed 3% of that in dividends. Any infrastructure costs would be paid by specially imposed government mandated taxes. All children of employees would be guaranteed an Ivy League education at no charge. Everybody would be required to learn Chinese and French. We plan to export this. :-) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Creepy or what?
I prefer my Epson's canners/all in ones to the HP ones. I get a better quality scan. Stewart At 05:27 PM 2/22/2010, you wrote: I have an Epson free standing scanner that I got maybe 7 years ago that I've never had trouble with. I've never bought an all-in-one. The Epson software can be really slow and cumbersome. I actually find it a lot easier to take pictures of documents with my camera. But I'm just being lazy, using a tool that I know well instead of spending the time figuring out how to make the scanner simple to use. Jordan Jeff Miles wrote: This says every laptop comes with a remote control. None of mine have. And I have a 17 Macbook Pro with the intel chip set. Not new as of in the last year, but new enough to be an Intel core 2 duel processor model. My iMac didn't come with one either. The last Mac I had that had inferred remote capabilities was a 6400. And while that had the capability, it didn't come with a remote. I found out it's capabilities on accident when playing with a universal TV remote. And on a completely different subject, has anyone had any luck with a scanner on OS X? I have 3 and they all give me problems. 2 of them are all in one devices. Everything works fine, except the scanner. I can get it to work a few times then it craps out. By that I mean it won't recognize the scanner, or the scanner won't recognize the computer. After sever restarts and reinstalls of the scanner software it works again for a couple of times and the problems start all over again. I have an HP all in one laser printer/scanner/copier. I have an Agfa Snapscan 1212 and an HP inkjet all in one. Everything on the all in ones work great, except the scanner. The Agfa scanner powers up when I restart the computer, but doesn't seem to see it. All very frustrating. Jeff Miles Which OSX are you referring to? In Leopard and Snow Leopard you use the native OSX Image Capture program to utilize your scanners features. My HP 7310 works just fine once I made the adjustment to using Image Capture. Jim Using Image Capture? Sounds like an interesting way to use a scanner. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Creepy or what?
On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 4:56 PM, Robert Michael Abrams bath...@cwo.com wrote: Ain't no fun in Room 101. http://strydehax.blogspot.com/2010/02/spy-at-harrington-high.html Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Creepy or what?
...leading to the question: How stupid would a lot of high school students have to be to *not *cover the camera with a piece of tape? On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 10:47 PM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote: http://strydehax.blogspot.com/2010/02/spy-at-harrington-high.html * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
